Spot the Sigma
I thought I'd make a post about the infamous mysterious Sigma man, for they are a very real variation on the theme and Chad hates them and most Alpha's are at the very least 'challenged' by them.
Why? Becoz they break ALL the 'rules' yet are almost running the show, and nobody has a clue how they're doing it. (and here's the funny part, if you were to ask the sigma, he'd probably have trouble explaining unless it were to a RP minded man, and even then, he might not be able to explain it at all, becoz ... it's complicated, he's complicated, and that's the 'essence' of his 'sigmaness'
IMHO Bill Jobs was very sigma
Every sigma I know is a 'natural sigma', by that I mean that they didn't try to be anything, they were just being themselves and for many reasons, but the most common is that they were smart and bullied at school so they introverted a bit to survive and being the kid who didn't really fit in anywhere, they almost became loners, usually only having a few close friends, which in high school means maybe 10-20 people but IRL was often one or two ...
Think 'smart nerdy Bill and Ted stoners' and you've got the beginning's of a sigma, and if one of these types of guys is able to have good frame and game, becoz they have HAD TO learn how to deal with people fucking with them, and they are enigmatic, and chicks love 'puzzling mysterious guys', and as they grow older can also come across as slightly aloof, which is never a bad thing with girls vying for attention .. and they can get everyone else's BUT they can't get yours! If you can pull that off with conviction in the right places you'll have women approaching you all the time, and thats a real ego/confidence boost too!
They're also hard to get to know too well unless they let you, and the older they get, the more this is, BUT IF they like you they can make you feel like their best mate in minutes and you'll suddenly be really enjoying their company, it's 'charisma" that comes from their innate self confidence,
Which comes from when they were much younger and which if they didn't have, they would've been crushed by those bullies, and as this behavior has been learned from the schoolyard it's very strong, i.e good luck trying to break a strong Sigma's frame!
Sigma's SMV is increased massively by the skill they often learned while avoiding the bullies at school, from playing an instrument to taking an interest cars and bikes or rock climbing or some other activity they can do alone, these days computers etc are something a sigma naturally gets into but they get bored easily so they do many things, and by the time they're 21-22 they've often done more than many people will do i their lives!
They often love sports like climbing and half the time on American Ninja Warrior it's the 'climbers' who smoke the courses coz they're super fit and strong ... and look at a middleweight MMA fighter of 72-75kgs and if they're over 5'10" odds on they're kinda lean
Here's the part I love as their 'solitary suffering and studying' paid off, and it's from just being themselves when they leave school and go off into RL which is where suddenly they find all this knowledge they have acquired alone (what the kids back at school called 'bizarre/stupid' etc shit) is now making their lives rock, and people in general tend to love a happy sigma,
The dude from Beverly Hills Pawn, Yoshi is classic Sigma, what he is in front of the camera isn't 'acting', that's how he's been since his 20's, I'd bet on it!
Here's another one, this guy was a very successful musician back in the early 80's and he's as understand of RP knowledge as you can tell from the words, but he faded away after making his millions and now just keeps himself cruising doing what he loves
Elvis Costello is another perfect example of a Sigma, and there's a couple of autobiographic film on him where he talks about his childhood through making 'popular music' and up until quite recently, it's a great watch
In fact there are a LOT of 'sigma' musos in the industry
Anyway, back to this guys Joe Jackson, in this first song he's talking about a conversation with his gf and the chorus goes (from "him" referring to his gf''s plea's "you're All the same, you're all the same"
I guess this was the first time I heard a person singing about AWALT but i didn't quite realize it straight away
please guys, enjoy the first song and realize that this 'type' of guy has been around forever, and women love them becoz they're "fascinating" ... chicks, especially the hot ones with lots of orbiters think they've got all guys sussed out and know how to make them do what 'they want', but a sigma won't play, he's already had enough of such bullshit and this only makes the girls more attracted, plus get a name for yourself as a good fuck and you'll have them literally knocking on your door, I know I did/do (ALL women, esp young, girls tell their friends about their sex lives)
Sigma's are naturals which isn't always a good thing, they will assure you and some 'game' is conscious but Sigma's being 'naturals' have no choice but to deal with it, and as they can be either an 'alpha sigma' or a 'beta sigma' or a combination of both, it's the 'alpha sigmas' I'm mainly referring to here
and for myself it was songs like this one and things I heard here and there that helped me 'build my frame and game' back in the 80's when there was nothing even close to TRP, no internet, just RL and we Sigmas are often alone, we accept that's just how it is, not from women pfffft! strong sigmas have all the women they want, but as they get bored LTR's often don't work for long and they end up alone by choice, that is, they usually don't want kids and LTR's are rerstrictive on a sigma's usually dynamic lifestyle, few girls can make the grade and keep up
But these days with sexual standards allowing 'fuck buddies' and NBD ONS's (not that they really ever were a big deal, but these days .. idk how to explain) but fuck it's cool, and there are some great women coming on the market every day, and I personally love it, but if you don't love how you're life's going, you need to work on that, becoz any happy sigma is a strong sigma and they'll all tell you "it's up to you bro, I can only offer what I know"
bros, may I introduce to you all
Joe Jackson
The Joe Jackson Band - It's Different For Girls - YouTube Video for youtube joe jacksonâ–¶ 4:16 - private www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNzzK1dUtCI
Joe Jackson-Is she really going out with him ? - YouTube - private Video for youtube joe jacksonâ–¶ 3:44 - private www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BaurXMmMU
Everything gives you cancer https://www.google.com.au/search?q=youtube+joe+jacson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Gr97VbD1IMmE8gWIzYDwCQ#q=youtube+joe+jackson+everything+gives+you+cancer
This is is bald and unattractive but he can pull mucho HB9+ IF he wants, I'd bet my balls on it
He's a British lad!
edit: Lot's a small errots as gf came over before just as I posted it to go to go for drinks and dinner and I couldn't edit and format this until now, and it was definitely more than a bit unclear.
N.B I realize this post is unusual but so are sigmas, and any alphas out there will find they are there equals in PU HB's, and therefore 'competition' BUT if you approach them the right way, they'll turn into an ultimate wingman who will be handing off the girls he's not talking to to you! Make the most of it
These guys are often called 'dark triads' but IMHO that's a mistake, whilst a sigma may be 'partly dark' calling them 'DT' is a mistake and a misnomer for a guy who's sigma, not DT
e.g I rode a motorbike and the girls loved it, and I knew I looked badass in my leathers and boots and full face helmet, but that's not why I rode, I rode becoz I love to ride motorcycles and have since I was 10yo
still worked to raise my SMV big time and keep my body in shape, riding a bike is hard work when you're (I'm) having fun!

[deleted] 11y ago
Massive shitpost
RPmatrix 11y ago
why do you say that?
PaulAJK 11y ago
Naturals can get laid easy. Wow, who knew?
People like this don't need TRP.
RPmatrix 11y ago
sigma's aren't PUA 'naturals' nor are they 'natural alpha's' but they have given themselves a bit of a head start by beginning early to learn how to be comfortable with themselves,which leads to being confident, and confident guys are attractive to women
sigma's can be "beta as" but they will change if it's not working for them, that's one of their great virtues, they're very good at accepting and dealing with change/s. Stuff like "nexting" all sorts of things comes easily to a sigma as they've been doing it all their lives! Often leavingone project for another, sigma's also tend to be commitment-phobic
Sigma's often tend to be doing new things all the time, usually improving at something or beginning something completely new!
[deleted] 11y ago
Agreed.
RPmatrix 11y ago
seriously, it's not!
I'm surprised that you /u/mooney would say that, could you explain to me why, you see, I'm an Alpha Sigma, and sometimes the way our minds work, what's 'obvious' to everyone else is not to us
Maybe it's a mental condition but it's a big part of why I was bullied at school, that and having curly hair
I got thrown out of my first school for beating cunts up, as I was a pretty fit sporty student who raced motoX on the weekends, and just didn't fit in with most of the 'other guys' and certainly not the 'cool' guys, they were the ones who picked on me BUT who I had the last laugh on a few years after school, as my natural skills and practiced talents e.g I rode a m/c from 17 and I didn't even have a car DL until I was 23! I was a muso, and pretty good looking, I was shy when I was 18 but I'd lost that by the time I was 21-22 and after my first LTR that lasted about 18mths from 22 to 23 and a bit, after that I had my game and sexual skills fully sorted, and it was on!
I'm not trying to brag but I've fucked dozens of HB9+'s and/or taken them home within a few hours of meeting them. I used to make a game of it but it became quite unfulfilling, repetitive and boring after a few years of taking home a different babe 4 nights a week, and spinning four plates at a time is fucking hard and not for me, but believe me I've done it, and it's actually quite a funny story and the end of my more that 'no more than two plates at a time' beliefs now
[deleted] 11y ago
I'm really sorry. It was just so hard to read.
RPmatrix 11y ago
yeah matey, sorry I posted it and then got interrupted and couldn't edit it until just nowish ... (and I'm still getting 'pleasantly' interrupted) but I had to format and clarify some of that post
Have a look again if you could be fucked, it should be easier to read annd make more 'sense'
Thanks for letting us know that anyway mate, IMO there's nothing wrong with 'constructive criticism" and I for one, really appreciate sincere and genuine criticism, coz I've been wrong before plenty of times and have missed the obvious as well, so I'm open to certain people's remarks, and as you know bro, I've posted and praised a number of your comments moon bro so when you too agreed, I was honestly surprised and I'm grateful for the simple comment
I knew it was a bit fucked but I didn't realize 'how much/badly'! until I saw it after I got home a little while ago
thanks for that
RPmatrix 11y ago
na, all good mate, my bad, ( and my hamster says I should mention it's a kinda difficult topic to discuss yet as I am one, I know it from the inside and wanted to try and make a post that gave some insight into what a lot of guys mistake for 'beta' until they see these guys in action, and then the looks on the alpha's faces says it all ... sigma's are enigmas and (unintentionally) fuck with many people's heads who can't "work them out" and figure "what makes them tick" as a result
Man I have had so many gf's that every guy I knew wanted to fuck it, I forget all but the 'special' ones, It was kinda weird all the attention my mates would give my gf's, some classic 'beta orbiters' who IDGAF about, as I knew (some in particular) that my gf's just weren't interested in 'branch swinging' as, looking back on it, I had one of the highest 'SMV's' of our group and really had only a couple of guys who could even be competition, so I made it very clear from the get go with all the girls I 'plated', that I demanded absolute devotion and honesty from all/any of my gf's esp the LTR's and AFAIK they all basically were to me.
IF a girl I was close to fucked someone else or anything along those lines happened I've AFAIK I've always had them tell me asap (even when I'd had NO fucking idea at all about it) i.e. waking me the next morning to admit to me what they've done, and with a couple of my LTR's, I was ok with it and we stayed together but if it was just some plate, I'd usually soft next them as best I could unless the sex was amazing and then I'd just wait until I got tired of the sex and nexted them, and not so softly at times
Although I also did get "told honestly" things like that they'd fucked my best mate last night OR my lawyer or I'd discover somehow they were going to to try and get pregnant by me to 'stitch me up' and much worse,
I've had an ex try to charge me with attempted murder after an argument we had turned into a fight, after this chick that was a 6' tall, fit, skinny and all arms and legs starts screaming her head off at me coz I wont get out of bed on sunday morning and drive her home as her parents are coming over to help her move out of 'our' other place,
I'd TOLD her on the ph the night before NOT to come over, but she did, and her car had a flat battery so I couldn't send her home.
This was with a girl I'd been in a LTR with for about 18mths but we were now in the process of splitting up, as we'd been living together for most of that time, and I'd been at my 'new flat' and sh came over from 'the house' we rented together, and our relationship had become SNAFU by the time we had this fight, she was moving back to her parent's place 300kms away that afternoon, we'd already "split up", she just wanted a last fuck before she left, the selfish Bitch!
She stays, we fuck, and next thing It's 6am Sunday and I lived i a very quiet inner city area. I'm lying in bed and GF gets up and demands I take her home. I tell her to fuck off and fix her car herself, as i TOLD HER the night before not to drive it over as I wasn't going to be taking her home in the morning (now!)
Well she had a hissy fit and started screaming LOUDLY at me, which after about ~20secs of me saying "X shut UP! ffs shhhhh, or you'll wake everyone in the fucking building" but she kept it up, and I thought "IF she thinks that what she's doing (shouting at me very loudly at 6am on a Sunday and she thinks she has the power to "get away with it" (this chick was a smart HB9 who knew how to use it fully to her advantage, although OTOH she had done things for me during our relationship that went waaay past the 'call of her duty' to me! But onn this day she was demonically possessed)
So she's screaming at me and I just quickly stand up and take two steps to her and clamp one of my hands over her mouth and the other over the back of her head, and I said to her, "IF you think that you're going to force me to do what you want, if you think that you can push me around", and I've got her so tighly and she's thrashing and punching me and still screaming (or trying to) through my hand on her mouth and nose, and we fall on my futon, and I get on top of her but I've basically been strangling her for the past 10-15secs and I want to stop BUT I also want to keep her quiet, so I quickly let go and put a pillow over her mouth instead, which she can breath through, BUT ny this time she's SO fuckin hysterical, she's hyperventilating, still screaming at me through the pillow that Imma cunt and she's never going to fuckin talk with me again yada yada, and "get off me, get fuckin* off me,
BUT then, suddenly, in the space of a three words, the tone of her voice changes from one of rage to one of FEAR as she says "I can't breathe, I can't breathe! And the FEAR in her voice just blows my mind how quickly that just flipped, and right at that moment, my flatemate Geoff, a triathlete/accountant comes into my room in his underwear, bleary eyed and not happy and say "IDK WTF's going on with you to but "xxxx" (my gf) I'll drive you home, which he did.
As she was moving out of a house I still leased and had a lot of stuff at, Ididn't want her to revenge rape my chattels, and so about 2hrs later I catch a taxi over there, where I see two cars in the driveway I imagine are her families, and as I walk up I see the front door open .... I go in, and I can't find a single person in the house!, I search the place and come back out to the front door completely puzzled, then I walk down the driveway and across the road, and stand there looking at the house wondering wtf's going on, when suddenly whoosh, 1 cop cars squeals to a halt out the front of the house, across the road in front of me and the 3 cops in it run into the house, then 10secs later another one appears and parks behind the first, and this one's got 4 cops in it who also rush into the house (I left the front doors open) and again another 15secs later another cop car appears with another 4 cops! And I'm standing across the road, completely unnoticed, thinking to myself "what.the.fuck. is going on?!?"
I'm in Oz so usually our cops come in pairs, but this day I had eleven cops and my gf and four of her family on one side of the driveway, 16 people in total (and literally standing beside each other in a line along the concrete strips that some driveways have down them) and there's me with my briefcase in my hand on the other side of the road,
I figure I must have something to do with this and so I go up to the head cop, a Snr Sgt (who I actually had met before when I'd been arrested and we remembered each other from then, and in a friendly way too as he'd had no probs with me and I with him, he was cool imo and so I was cool and friendly with him, SGts and esp Snr Sgts often are pretty cluey guys who can see through the bullshit pretty quick, and as our old house where we'd first lived for the first yr had been behind the local cop shop and they drove by it to get in the back car park, so the local cops often also saw 'us' coming and going from our house and knew us by sight and what was going on in our house (nothing bad, just a few stoners who work that didn't worry them so they didn't worry is, but then I got busted on warrants for traffic fines I'd already paid! but the new 'computerised system' had FU and reissues a bunch of warrants onmy arse, which took a few days to work our during which I sat in that local cop shop cells and occaisionly talked with this snr 'sarge') which paid off later as I would discover) and I asked him what was up?
He, the Snr Sgt said to me "RPM come over here" and he takes me across the other side of the road away from the earshot of all the other people and basically told me that "she wants you charged with attempted murder and she's got a few injuries that suggest you had a fight, BUT "not to worry about her, as "she's an old crow and will never change, so let her go ok?" and you now go up to the shops and have a cup of coffee for a few hours until she and her family have left, ok?",, I said "sure!" and did exactly that! (/r/copsbeingbros anyone?)
Almost unsurprisingly many of these girls went on to do escort work after having fucked around with me for a while! All my gf's of more than two dates had high sex drives so sex was always a big part of my relationships, and I think after they've been with someone like me for a bit, they lose a lot of inhibitions that might have once stopped them. IME 80% of HB8+'s have done some type of sex work by the time they're 23, 25 at the latest! It's crazy as they're often women you'd never think would do so! lol
I hope this was amusing enough to be worthy of the read!
cheers broo moon
RocketManV 11y ago
Fuck man, I knew there was a reason I gravitated toward you. My last dilemma has been figuring out exactly what I want, and not an hour ago I got it. I want commitment from a girl, without offering it myself. I've had this in the past, before I beta'd up, but it would be providence that I'd find a post about it just now, let alone from you.
It only adds that I fully consider myself sigma, far more dedicated to myself than being social on a massive scale.