It's been quite some time since I last used pmo ( porn,masturbation,orgasm), I have improved in certain aspects the exams I gave were good, I am objectively good looking now (above average), I lift somehow I started going out more and began to enjoy it,It wouldn't be wrong if I said I reinvented myself,I started feeling confident in my own body. I obtained some chest mass and shoulder mass too. I even held my own frame against my family. The only factor that is not in my control are the women. I somehow feel entitled as if all the progress I made was not for me. I resent it when they ghost me (irl and online) and go for someone else. After every cold approach I felt good and bad. My social circle is filled with guys who are worse than me. I keep on expanding to different social circles but maybe because of the conservativeness (I'm not from the west) I haven't found a decent one with women maybe I should really go to a cooking or yoga class ( is it desperate?). I know it feel kn my heart If I remain on social media trying to land women from there it'll wreck my mental peace. I just feel tired at this point. Sometimes I look at a woman and I wonder all the cute act the silly act she puts on up. Uglier people,Fatter people,Broke people have it better than me while I have lost the grit to do cold approaches and social circles are deadwater.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago Stickied
Like I tell every guy with the same problem, learn social skills and stop whining
This whole women thing really isn't hard if you just learn how to talk to people.
It's social skills all the way down and some of you will not accept that.
You don't even have to run any game if you are valuable enough and your social skills are great. Women just start gaming themselves at that point
Jesus dudes... Learn social skills already
https://www.forums.red/p/theredpill/322057/the_permanent_game_noob_the_autistic_alpha_and_how_to_fix_it
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2w ago
Can concur, have been in the Situational Chad hotseat and getting laid was taking 0 (intentional) effort on my part. Women notice when you're one of the guys who are not struggling when shit goes down and nearly everyone else is getting assblasted.
Just don't expect/rely on it to be a permanent state of being. Conditions change and women's loyalty follows. Best most men can do is massage the odds and duration of being in that situation.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
Yeah and I'm sure they know how to talk to people and put in the effort to learn
Stop whining. You're not going to get around the fact being a sociable guy who knows how to talk to people is a pre-requsite for any women/game/friends/etc.
Hamzter 2w ago
Yes you are right, I agree with you there are no buts. Here is one thing tho I feel like I can't manage it sometimes it takes up too much of my energy especially strangers be it a man or woman regardless I think exposure therapy it is for this
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
I used to not be able to even hold a short conversation with people and was rather introverted and that haunted me for years
You can absolutely learn how
mattyanon Admin 2w ago
wall of text. edit and add some carriage returns.
good that you recognise this is wrong.
it is NOT... "build muscles and each oz of muscle gets you 2.5 girls".
being physically hot is great, but it's not everything
don't think of guys as worse than you. it's fucking you up. especially when they get girls. they're just different. better at some things, worse at others. stop seeing it as a hierarchy.
try it
Ok, so you need to:
Because you sound immature, resentful and you think guys who are less successful than you are ... are more successful... and it's all fucking with your head.
Grow up a bit my dude... grow up. We're all on a journey. That small shitty guy? Turns out he's worth millions. That dumb looking dopey guy? Twelve inch dick. You just don't know, so stop thinking like that.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
That loser guy who got the girl? Turns out she doesn't like herself very much And part of a guys game was saying he was looking for a relationship and she's retarded and thinks he's closer to her level than she'll ever admit out loud
It really has nothing to do with guys a lot of the time. This alleged competition often isn't even completion
Hamzter 2w ago
Thanks man your points did hit home I've planned out several things for me I think are good More reading Weekling hiking And engaging in events I won't find time for groups or classes but I can surely commit myself to events. As far as cold approach goes it has to be done it's the only confidence booster I know of except lifting. I need to reduce my body fat it's at 21 percent last I chked. You are right everyone is different.
mattyanon Admin 1w ago
Yep. 21% isn't good, and it might be higher.
It's time to reveal those abs. Get to it.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2w ago
What exactly is your question?
Your post is just this meandering whiny screed.
Do you know how to converse with people? Do you know how to converse with people in a state of outcome independence?
Hamzter 2w ago
There are many questions in the post but I'll sum it up How to maintain frame with (males and females)? Is social media actually a social proof ? How can I find my own advantages and max em out?
GeorgeIII 1 2w ago
You are like a character in Elden ring with maxed out stats and a top-tier build. But you don’t know how to dodge or anything about game mechanics (pun intended).
Not only that, you are like someone in Elden Ring who DOESN’T WANT to learn game mechanics or how to play well. And getting angry that you can’t face tank bosses with your high stats.
Learn game. Learn social skills.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
He's then that same character that gets mad when barely leveled up people in online souls matches who spent time learning to play the game defeat him and can't figure out why lost and says the game sucks
Musicgoon78 3 2w ago
Cold approach is usually a losers game. It might get you to face your fears, but the approach is absolutely dog shit as far as results.
I can tell by the way that you write and your thought process that you are very outcome dependant and coming from the autistic no fap forums.
So cold approach is basically you forcing your presence on women. Attraction is women wanting to be in your presence.
You need to drop some ideas. First off stop comparing yourself to others. People will only show you the good parts of their life, not the messy parts.
Learn to jerk off without guilt. Use your imagination and don't rely on porn.
And start having fun. Don't go out to get chicks, go out to have fun and talk to people that are also having fun. The rest of this shit you wrote is "woe is me" useless garbage.
First-light 2 2w ago
More good advice there, particularly "Attraction is women wanting to be in your presence". Its like gravity, a small but steady pull. You have worked hard to make yourself attractive to you. That is great. It will give you more confidence and some of the things you like may also be attractive to women but until you make yourself attractive to women, the magic can't start to work.
Be someone warm, upbeat and genuinely confident (not acting) who takes a genuine interest in women you meet without simping. It can help to practise taking an unselfish interest in others. You can do this with people of both sexes and all ages on all days. Aim not to impress or gain influence just to find out about them and say something that will genuinely make them feel good. It starts to create a circle of gravity around you that may pay off weeks later when someone who gravitates towards you brings a beautiful woman they will politely introduce to someone they like and will later tell her "He's a good guy".
And wanking is fine so long as you don't get addicted to it. Guilt only belongs to self harming behaviours. Addiction is self harming. Releasing frustration with a quick porn movie and a wank is healthy.
Lone_Ranger 3 2w ago
honestly, my top tip for you (I'm guessing you are young) is to 'de-centre' women from your life.
Yup - I realise I am stealing a phrase from the other side.
But really, the best thing you could do is decentre women from your life right now. focus on your work, your social network and your relationships with other men, and how to get to the top of whatever mountain you have decided to climb (law, legal, engineering etc).
Just focus on slaying.
You will meet women along the way. I promise you, they are not a goal, they a side product of a life well lived.
As soon as you focus your life on women, you lose. trust me on this dude.
Hamzter 2w ago
I agree with you, but I have this belief life is finite and as I get older I won't be the same person I am rn I'll lose my strengths and all
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
You're a man. If you're living right, you improve with age and work.
Women lose their youth and beauty and have an expiration date.
We are not the same.
Lone_Ranger 3 1w ago
how old are you dude?
I promise you this, the mating life of a male is far longer than you young guys realise. I was getting more poon at 40 and 50 than I was at 20.
Life in your 20s as a dude is life on hard mode.