@No-Stress-Cat @Vermillion-Rx @mattyanon

What the fuck are you on about? Sometimes I wonder if endorsed and admins even read the damn sidebar themselves.

This is textbook control game, compliance testing and indifference game.

I tell her to fold my clothes (compliance testing), I ignore her remark and do my own thing when she failed this test (indifference game).

I'm only looking for advice on how indifference game or dread is implemented when compliance tests aren't met. Spare me your personal moral lectures.

Where do you guys find these McRedPills at? Yes, you often need to clearly communicate overtly to a woman. Do you use covert communication to tell her where you two are eating? No. C'mon guys

Obviously this is a false equivalency. We’re talking about never verbalizing your feelings not dinner plans.

She clearly doesn't believe in this but what guy can't or won't fold his own clothes. It is not the 50s. My girlfriend doesn't even fold my own clothes. Why would she?

I don't give a shit if you like conceeding ground to your girlfriend's request and regressing on the standards men commanded in relationships. Men are held to the same standard as the 50s to provide and give security to women. Yet now even Red Pill mods question why a woman should handle basic household duties.

This forum has turned into a circlejerk of shitting on people who ask questions extrapolated from trying what's in the sidebar.

I'll provide you some direct quotes on what I've been trying to apply in my field report straight from the sidebar since you've obviously never read it yourself.

Control Game
Control Game is the tool we don't spend nearly enough time discussing explicitly, which is why this guide now exists. Control Game focuses on harnessing women's natural submissive instinct to secure their obedience and faithfulness (insofar as women are capable of it). It comes into play when you've moved past the point in a relationship where you can plausibly feign indifference for a bitch.

Control Game is the tool you use to gradually train a bitch to be the ideal topping to your life's sundae.
Control Game is the tool you use to get what you want.

Compliance testing never truly ends. It begins with small requests and builds in the bitch's mind the understanding that you will make demands of her, and that she must comply if she wants to continue enjoying the benefit of your attention. From that foundation, it eventually becomes true obedience and a mutually-beneficial exchange of her servitude for your guidance and protection.

HOWEVER, even during these early stages, it is important that you engage in Compliance Conditioning - that is, issuing small and incrementing requests with the expectation that the girl will obey.

Combining Indifference Game with Compliance Conditioning in this way has two strategic purposes:

1. Indifference Game allows you to save face in the event that a girl refuses to comply with a request you have made. Did she refuse to pass you the [X]? That's fine, she's unimportant anyways. You scoff and shake your head at her rudeness, and proceed to exclude her from further interactions until she makes amends. Now she is on the defensive.

2. The small and harmless nature of the requests allows the girl to save face. If she is especially paranoid about appearing submissive in certain company, or even to herself, she can rationalize her obedience as simple courtesy.

The incremental requests create the impression that you are a man who is accustomed to being obeyed. And the magical arbitrariness of the female mind will ensure that she slowly rationalizes her compliance as a genuine interest in you - otherwise, why else would she be doing it?

Any disrespect from a women is to not be tolerated. She stays at plate status.

Come fold my clothes.

That's something a woman would say.

You dove right into her home turf and got your ass kicked. You lowered yourself to her level, and now want to blame her for being disrespectful.

Dread game is the nuclear option for when SHE does something stupid, not when YOU do something stupid.

1) dread is a combination of the following: her fear of losing you, and your not allowing yourself to be taken for granted. It does not really apply here because a) she probably doesn't give two shits about losing you, and b) you stepped on your dick with that stunt.

2) why the fuck would you try to get a fuckbuddy to do chores? That's stupid. Would you mow her lawn? One of my exes was a retarded slut, but even she had the sense to tell her mom "I'm not asking him that!" when her mom tried to get her to get me to mow their (overgrown) lawn. The woman you're asking about is a plate, a fuckbuddy, a friend with benefits. It's one thing if she volunteers doing shit for you to show she's worthy of an upgrade, but you don't go demanding it of her. That's foolish.

come fold my clothes

Joking manner

I swear half the guys on here see some example of an actual alpha-esque guy with frame get away with this, and their take home message is to behave like that man but without any of the actual frame or vibe to make her want to follow it

Time and time again, you guys need to actually have the social accumen to recognize this vibe

And as a man, you should have already had her dying to serve you, But that doesn't happen by context-free copycatting of men who know they are doing by reciting tropey alpha shit for no reason other than that you thought you could just copy it and not know when or why to use, no it comes from having a strong lead, especially earlier on, and to a greater degree than you are imagining is actually required

I know that you shouldn't ever communicate overtly with a woman.

Where do you guys find these McRedPills at? Yes, you often need to clearly communicate overtly to a woman. Do you use covert communication to tell her where you two are eating? No. C'mon guys

My answer to this would be dread game

Dear Lord why do you guys almost ALWAYS try to dread women for your own social decificits. This is not dread is for much less how to build frame. Jesus Christ

Gender roles

If you HAD great frame she would love being feminine for you. You have not established that

Plate (singular)

Lol. You want girlfriend behavior from a woman who is not your girlfriend yet? That is unlikely. However a lot of women who are auditioning for girlfriend will act like one or try to.

She clearly doesn't believe in this but what guy can't or won't fold his own clothes. It is not the 50s. My girlfriend doesn't even fold my own clothes. Why would she?

Does she live there??? Do you both put your laundry in the same load like a married couple? Then why would she do this for you?

Sometimes I get on here and mistake it for AUTISM.RED

you guys need to stop LARPing as alpha males and build the kind of vibe where she likes doing those things OR find a woman who already follows tradition to a T. You guys have completely unrealistic expectations of your (not even girlfriend) much less how to achieve these outcomes and then go punish the woman for your own flawed covert expectations

I like to keep my bitches in line and make sure they know their place so I don't want them to feel like they can just not adhere to my standards

Sometimes they DON'T MEET YOUR STANDARDS

that is what VETTING is for. If she does not meet your standards your job is to either find a woman who DOES or have FRAME

not whatever needy dismissive crap you settled on doing

Dread game can rarely work as an overt intentional act. It's more of a consequence of how you otherwise carry yourself and maintain your SMV. If you are going to the gym, you are introducing dread. If you have a strong social game, dread. If you dress well and women flirt with you, dread. It's something you can enhance by being aware of it and not stepping on it (not going out of your way to allay fears or give reassurance, which sometimes can be a natural instinct in other contexts but can backfire with women).

Dread is also not all about you but about you in relation to the woman. Dread is less likely to work with a 19 year old, assuming she's attractive she has limitless options. So spitballing I think your SMV has got to be like 4 points higher than hers to overtly implement dread with any chance of success. Then you're in territory where why even bother playing games with this low value woman.

I'd also add that you can't correct a woman's every action, like as small as a single thing she says to you. Trying to do so is a type of scarcity mentality. If you had abundance, and this chick was causing problems for you, why would you bother fixing her and not just spend time with a different one. She give one response you don't like and she has you thinking up a master plan and posting about it . . who is really in control here.

FFS.....

Today is the day of larping retards apparently. She doesn't fold your laundry because you don't inspire that in her.

If you think dread is about getting a woman to do your laundry, you are completely lost. Drop this alpha tough guy shit. You sound completely clueless and your "bitch" had zero hesitations or qualms about telling your lazy ass no.

Stop playing tough. You obviously have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

were on call

You did joke she shit tested, you dropped the subject, end of story. She noted the expectation. Whether shell do it or not it'll give you a clue later. If you ever plan to be normal just politely steer her toward doing stuff for you, just be consistent, not pushy, unless you want a bitch following military orders and her feeling resentment at some point, later. If you got dredd coming from your frame, she'll oblige

.communicate overtly with a woman.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no (once communicated doesn't have to be repeated each time}. You were overt to fold clothes (might be funny way to come and fuck), she has to know some expectations, you dont need to be pushy, it will fall in places or not. Making her help to fold, would be an example of next step.

covert level is the problem.

Try to covertly communicate to her that your favourite sculpture always stands 20° to the west otherwise its finished.

You can force bitches to do things, what you plan as well is what the long-term outcom will be. Unless not important.

Your wording feels a little fake and over the top.

If you see this from her point of view, she asserted her frame and you sulked a bit.

Its like her telling you to take the bin out because its a man's job and you saying "No" and her sulking a bit.

If these things are important. she won that one. However, I am not sure how much you can or really should care about plate behaviour on these things. How often does a plate do your laundry? You have a girlfriend already who does that you say. You don't get a plate to do laundry, you get a plate for sex. I can't see how her doing your laundry is going to make a big impact on the sex.