TRP's not wrong... the kids posting all over this sub are.

I think you need to differentiate between relationships and dating/approaching. I.E. when I apply to a job I don't get emotionally attached to the outcome, I don't get all depressed and sad when they hire someone else, I don't build up a whole life with this new job in my head before they even make me an offer. This is what you are seeing from guys here, that they should ask a girl for a date or sex with no investment in the outcome. You should be emotionally detached when you are trying to get a girl.

But yes, you should be "emotionally invested" in a wife, you should be hurt if she betrays you or leaves you, but TRP would also supposedly teach you how to make that less likely.

It's also rightly presented here as "If someone is going to destroy your life by them choosing to do X" then you should change your life as her doing X is completely valid and a potential happening.

Absolutely. Spot on. I notice this every time I go to TRP. I always end up thinking to myself "These men aren't the ones who are successful at this, they are the ones who are mad at women for some reason."

Check out Mark Manson. His theories and tactics involve TRP, but also more psychology and uses honesty (with confidence) to get what you want.

Empathy is a highly desirable, masculine and strong trait. Some redpillers are still in the anger stage or are straight up sociopaths (rare).

You can still be a kind, loving guy; but the PC way to see redpill is this: don't be pushed around by people. Respect yourself. Stand your ground against women when they are acting immature but reward them with kindness and respect when they give you same thing.

It seems like a lot of people on TRP are trying to become emotionally detached to women so that when they are rejected or betrayed by a woman they won't feel bad.

You've hit on the dark side of TRP -- fear of inadequacy.

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The only thing I've ever disagreed about trp is how some of the members views on things seem to collide or contradict others views on certain situations.

Just use a strategy and see if it works. It's called theory for a reason. Trial and error bud, that's life. There are no guarantees except some hard facts. And yea this sub has recently gotten a lot of bitter guys who are new. I've been a realist my whole life so a lot of the theories I found enlightening. They didn't make me bitter. You'll hear the line "the pill is bitter." Its not really, they were just believing a fantasy before and now they've been unplugged and had their eyes opened. It's called The Red PILL, for a reason.

as far as i can tell, the only time emotions are mentioned on TRP is "dont get oneitis"

other than that its all practical stuff.

anyways, TRP works. so, ya know who cares?

choose:

a) emotionally attached and pussy-free (and likely lonely beta depressed)

b) emotionally detached and getting pussy

blah blah, why rely on your relationship with someone else for your emotional support? get your godamn emotional support from within yourself.

Dudes come here beta trained to cater to "emotional needs" in a proportion that's not necessary and perhaps costing them opportunities. (like me!) It's like a bell curve though where big gains are made putting the brakes on but then can bite you in the ass if you get too out there. You and other comments are right that handling emotions and well managed empathy is ideal.

It seems like a lot of people on TRP are trying to

It seems like it, does it? .... that's vague

whereas I think ...

you do huh? niiice! Have you been 'thinking' for very long?

A lot of red pillers seem bitter and angry at women

really? They do, do they? "bitter and angry?"

I don't think so ... but then again, I'm a guy, so what would I know?!

Could you possibly provide an example of a "bitter and angry" OP/poster?

I think a little bit of normal is the best way of doing things

Is that right? Well, damn, sweety, that's real nice of you to care and share your opinions and all ,, for opinions is all they are, BUT, hot damn darlin, we don't do much "normal" around here! Oh no no no no no! Go back to Tumblr for 'normal' hehe!

We leave the 'normal' and mundane shit to the likes of the White Knights and Beta manginas who do All the "normal" stuff like 'orbiting' and oneitis so well , tha ... nah, they can have the "normal" shit, whilst the 'Alphas' of this world will continue to strive to improve meaning there's very little "normal" in the 'average alpha's' life!

"we" didn't 'make' TRP,, it's not a 'thing', it's a 'philosophy', an 'ideology' if you will, for it preaches self improvement and understanding women as "the way" to success and happiness with the 'fairer sex'! And I say, Yay for TheRedPill!

So, whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I personally would rather you youngsters and your opinions would spend a bit more time IRL away from their keyboards actually doing the things that a bunch of us 'older' Red Pill'er's have already done (like hook up with lots of lovely women), and so our 'advice' is based upon our experience ,, Not our 'opinions',, which is all your post is ... you have no experience* upoon which to base it

I wish you kids would think, before you make such silly posts! And Me thinks OP is female lol, trying to "get us to agree" so that she can then 'believe' her 'opinions' are 'facts' and 'speak accordingly' ... please go back to Tumblr could you,, at least until you've got some 'hard core experience from under your belt, homie, then you can talk the talk, after you have 'walked the walk'

TRP is an 'ideology' based upon extensive observation and consideration of, the 'behavior' of, the (much) larger component of female humans in western societies; and although at first glance it can appear that some of these 'observations' are quite misogynist, when they are in fact, they are far from being so, which becomes apparent with enough comprehension of Red Pill ideology.

TRP is more specifically, a 'reaction' to the way that some women have begun to espouse and promote certain 'feminist misandrist' (?sp?) behaviors, particularly over the past 30 odd years, and via such beliefs, they have subsequently nurtured and promoted the 'advance and fall' of the Beta Male into misery!

And the consequential advance of the Alpha male!

The 'average' reasonably good looking western females, especially those between the ages of 20 and 35 have become a group of 'self entitled humans, with an "Access All Areas PussyPass" they all know very well, how to use! Shit there's even a subreddit devoted to women literally getting away with murder!! /r/PussyPass is as scary as fuck from a guys pov! Why isn't there the male equivalent? Why do women get this 'privilege' but the converse is true for men, with far too many being falsely accused of 'raping' a woman. FFS even your wife can accuse you of rape these days!

TRP is our way of surviving and thriving in this crazy world we currently inhabit!

Whilst there have always been "natural" 'alpha males' ... many were unaware of exactly what it was* that they were "doing right", to get the girls,

For their friends were 'nice guys' who never got any pussy, and so, as the ''why's and wherefore's" of the dynamics behind this were most unclear,,that is until a bunch of guys started giving this "Game" some serious thought, trying to piece together the 'rationale behind' the 'common female behavior' that almost every man had experienced but really had no idea 'why' ,, "she had done that!"

TRP is an 'in depth assessment of female behavior', and together with a few thousand guys who have both, swallowed the Pill and experienced the effects of the stuff, it has evolved into quite a complex ideology with several 'sub-branches' of this 'ideology' the 'essence' of RP philosophy,, including /r/TRP and /r/askTRP' ... /r/RPwomen, and of course /r/TRP's antithesis, /r/TheBluePill etc etc

TRP is becoming popular becoz it works!, and it 'works' becoz it's not wrong!. Simple!

Combined with subreddits like DeadBedrooms, where guys can go to empathize with the dudes writing about their DB's and 'compare stories' with the guys who are at their breaking point after (far too) many years of a bunch of kids, a DeadBedroom, unhaaappy wife, and a basically FUBAR life! ...

It's tragic to read about men who have been lucky to get, some type of sexual activity once a year for the past several years! and are completely Betatized* ....

However, to see these same guys come to TRP in desperation, and then they "swallow the Pill", and then their lives change for the better as they realize the 'mistakes' they have been making with their own lives, and the way they were treating the women in their lifes ...

And a fair percentage come back to thank The Red Pill,, for giving them the knowledge that helped them save their marriage/relationship, coming back and giving detailed posts about their 'success' and how "swallowing TRP" changed their lives for the better!

You should search '/r/askTRP' and /r/TRP for people who are "thanking TheRedPill" ,, there you will find numerous detailed stories of men who have 'found' TRP and have 'changed their lives' becoz of it.

TYL

You are essentially asking "what about love?". The answer is: it's not the same as it used to be.

I know you want to fall in love, get those great feelings your adrenaline, dopamine and especially oxytocin create in your brain. You want to find a way to give free rein to your emotions for your woman, while making sure she won't betray and hurt you. Well guess what, it's not possible anymore.

The sexual revolution made sure of that. As with everything, it has benefits and drawbacks, and everything balances out at the end, just probably not the way you'd like. Women can now fuck and experience much more alpha than their SMV would have allowed in the past, and alphas have a much higher access to lots of different women.

But all this comes at a cost: the ideal love fantasy of both men and women is out of the picture. The average man wants to find a pure woman to fall in love with; if he acts this way with a modern woman, he's going to get burned. The average woman wants to find a confident man who will court her and commit to her before sex happens; if she doesn't give the hot man sex on the first date, he'll lose interest.

This is the reality we live in, so you should accept that yes, sadly, love is no longer possible (at least not in the way you want it to be). Thank the feminists.

You are focusing on the bitterness that people are feeling from being lied to their whole lives and trying to use their bitterness and proof that trp is flawed? Do you not see how that logic is flawed? Their bitterness isn't part of trp. Trp is about having your eyes opened and being able to see things as they really are and that's exactly what it is. How people take or react to the truth is entirely up to them and shouldn't reflect on the truth in the slightest.

Almost everything you have posted is an emotional argument as to why you wish to continue living in a bluepill reality. How you wish to deal with the truth is up to you. If you make a better effort to study the sidebar and put those things into effect your life will improve.

First of all, this is under the premise that women are the end game. Women should be a side note in your life, and shouldn't be the centerpiece. What works for one, might not work for others. If people choose TRP to become detached to women, fine for them. But i never see that encouraged. TRP is a tool for a way to life your life, not a way of life.

every strategy has its limits and exceptions.

There are a few fairly fundamental flaws in the articles posted, even in the side bar. One of the biggest, and it's something TRP really must address if it wants to shake off the image of "lonely, butthurt young neckbeard shut-ins" that it has, is that everything is anecdotal- it's all "Look, this is the way it is, because I've seen it..." or "This is the way things are because common sense tells me so" (meaning THEIR interpretation of common sense). It needs more basis in science and it needs to be able to relate more of its theories to proven scientific findings, if it wants to get wider acceptance.

No, we just don't believe in Real-Love^TM with that wonderful Unicorn. It's not emotional detachment, it's no longer deluding yourself about reality.

I'll write the TL;DR that you forgot:

"If I can't worship women, what is the purpose of living?"

And that calls himself redpill...

Read the sidebar not the majority current posts.

Title: is the red pill strategy flawed

Entire post: people people people people

Its like the idiots that claim that guns kill people. They don't, people kill people. Don't blame the tools for improper usage by a human.

The Red Pill consists of a bunch of related theories. It gets taken to the extreme by some posters, probably because they're young and their relationship experience mostly consists of bar hookups and Red Pill theory they've read online. Ironically, posters claim TRP is science, bitches!, but then have absolutely no tolerance for critique of it, which is the hallmark of religious fanatics. Science should be open to critique and discussion, because science is an observation-based understanding that evolves over time. Without critique it stagnates.

Anyway, getting back to the heart of your query, I think that the hardening and conscious selfishness inherent in some strategies advocated here is not a winning tactic. I think that masculinity is not devoid of empathy. It takes a lot more strength to be empathic yet strongly masculine and therefore few people achieve it. You can love people and yet understand them at the same time. In fact, I would argue that true understanding leads more often to love than to hate, because this kind of hate comes when you just think of how you feel about how what you've learned about someone affects you personally.

You are not asking a question. You are rationalizing away using trp because it is so different from what you perceive is "normal". You should not be asking if the strategy is flawed because every strategy has flaws. There is no perfect strategy but at the end of the day despite trp's flaws it works. you can not argue with success, results are results whether you find the tactics abhorrent or not these people are successful in their endeavors. Though, if you don't like trp you should just be yourself I heard somewhere that works out well.

Yea the anger stage of realizing you've been lied to your whole life is pretty strong for a lot of newbies. But ones you internalize the way women's nature is and aspect it, there is nothing to be angry about. That's just the way men and women are. All trp does is show the truth about intersexual relationships. I'm sure most veteran trpers will agree that they love women for who they are. As someone said before, it's like being mad at your dog because it are your shoe or the clouds because they rained on you.

With this mentality, aren't women kind of ruined?

Is a particular woman ruined? Or is the idea of love ruined?

On the first question, that depends on the woman. On the second question, pretty much yeah. But it was anyway.

but a lot of people on here go too far

Yeah, that's true too.