I'm a woman in her 20s who is currently a plate to a man who has just recently swallowed the red pill. I am happy for him that he is improving himself and happy that he is obviously a lot more confident in himself. He ended a relationship at the start of the year and found red pill after we begun seeing each other.
We have been seeing each other for about 3 months. It was always strictly about sex but then the more times I saw him he would initiate conversation, stay longer and I ended up liking him a lot. Within about 3 weeks he asked if I was seeing anyone else and I said I wasn't because he's honestly the best sex I've ever had, so there was no point in me continuing anything with any other guys.
I have no problem with him seeing other people, but a couple of weeks ago he brought it up over text and I said I wasn't seeing anyone and that he's basically ruined me for future guys. He also said he's not seeing anyone else and that he'd tell me if he was. Fast forward to less than a week later and he messages me late one night which is out of character and I tell him he can come over. When I ask why he's in my neck of the woods he jokingly says he's been at some other girl's place which I laughed off and then when he left I found condoms of his.
It suits my lifestyle at the moment to be a monogamous plate to him, but I just need to know whether other Red Pillers respect their plates as people? Like I said, I'm completely fine with him seeing others, but I just feel stupid that I believed his lies and wondering if I should stick around at all?
Sorry if this post rambles on a bit, I've just been dwelling on it and would appreciate some male perspective and insights. Thank you.
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askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you for your reply. I thought he did and he explicitly said it to me one night. But I don't think his actions of seeing another woman and then dropping in to mine on his way home conveys that... Is it the kind of question I can outright ask or will it be viewed as a shit test and deflected? Thank you again.
spoon_fucker 11y ago
I wouldn't try to think of it in terms of "respect their plates as people." That phrase itself is just totally wrapped up in emotional confusion. Just think of what you provide for each other.
Speaking for myself, I respect plates/women more when I think they have the capability to respect me, namely loyalty. When talking to a lot of women, I lose respect if the most minor redpill tactics/failures work super hard on them. For example, I give a minor story of vulnerability and weakness and I immediately see the lust fade from their eyes. Or I ignore their texts for a day and they immediately come back for sex. It just is kind of sad. Obviously I don't want a girl who is totally unlike a girl – otherwise I'd want a man – but I just want at least a little semblance of unconditional love, even if it doesn't match what I could potentially provide.
Of course, maybe I'm just feeding the beta male hamster and need to keep a stronger frame here. Just thought I'd rant a bit.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you for replying. I completely understand what you're saying.
Would you lose respect for a plate who understands she is just that, but just wants honesty in return? Have you ever met any women that TRP doesn't really work for?
When he first came across TRP from the Men's Rights sub, he was asking me if I'd heard of it or not and he mentioned a few of the main principles. I asked what his thoughts about it were and he said he thinks it only works on stupid women blah blah. This was about two months ago. I've read a lot of the sidebar posts and top posts to try to improve my understanding of TRP, and I can see how it works for self-improvement but I would be lying if I said it didn't upset me that that's how he feels about me.
spoon_fucker 11y ago
I guess it's pretty tough to ask for honesty. Because being honest will turn so many girls away from you. You're best bet for that is to take a gamble and be the best girl you can and maybe he can open up. But don't pry too hard and turn him into a bitch either.
Also, if he's only two months in he still has some work to do. TRP isn't a way to pry open stupid girls' vaginas, it's an explanation for each sexes' sexual strategies. You can employ the strategies without being a dick or acknowledging someone's humanity. For me personally, understanding how people work helps me respect them more, because you can understand what makes them tick, whether it's something positive or negative. A bluepill would assign people as worthless if things don't go their way instead of acknowledging what they themselves did wrong or what is out of their control.
Hope this helps a bit. It's easy to take a hit to your self-esteem at first based on someone else's opinion of you. It gets better as you keep learning.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you so much, you have given some great advice. At least after reading TRP and RPW, I'm inspired to improve myself as a person!
I do really like him though and can't imagine just ending all contact at this stage, but now after reading the literature on it I'm wondering if I am just disposable to him and will be nexted now that I've expressed I'm upset that he lied to me and came round after seeing someone else.
Thank you again, it's given me a lot more to think about and has been great getting a male perspective.
jamieoneal82 11y ago
Instead of worrying that you're disposable to him, accept that you are. Then make yourself his best option. You can't expect him to see you as indispensable just because you like him a lot, and you wouldn't want to because you would feel like he was too easy or that you didn't really earn him.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you, this is worded perfectly! I've already decided to make positive changes in my life, so I'll just let it run its course from there. Cheers!
KyfhoMyoba 11y ago
This is the best advice to either sex. Bravo, sir!!
mordanus 11y ago
Respect is on a person to person basis. GLO said it perfectly. How we interact with our girls makes no difference to how he interacts with you.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks for your thoughts. If someone asked you straight up if you respected them, would you take it as a shit test and deflect the question? I do plan on seeing him again (if he hasn't replaced me yet) to see how the vibe between us is. Thanks again!
mordanus 11y ago
When dealing with a thing like respect I find that you can never judge someone's respect for you by what he says but only by how he acts. To me it looks like you are desperate for the validation of his words but you should be looking to how he treats you.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks, you make an interesting point. I know that he obviously doesn't because of the events that night, but I guess what I wanted to know was if that was just a natural by-product of TRP or if it is like you and GLO have said and should be taken on a case-by-case basis... Guess I know my answer! Cheers.
jamieoneal82 11y ago
Firstly, I see no evidence here that he actually was with another woman. He could have seen something you said as a shit test and just employed agree and amplify with a touch of dread game. The condoms could just be condoms he keeps on him anyway.
But let's assume you're right. I think you're conflating fidelity with respect. This is a common trope in our culture. It sounds to me like you didn't have an exclusivity agreement with him, so to him seeing other women is allowed. Since he didn't violate the terms of your relationship this shouldn't be seen as disrespect. If you want an honest answer out of him I'd recommend asking him in a serious but non-judgmental tone the next time you're in person with him. Be emotionally accepting and open.
Whether or not you trust him or believe him is up to you to figure out.
Edit: also, I'd recommend posting on RPW asking how they feel about being plates and/or for advice on how to work towards a monogamous LTR with him if that's what you want.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
I dwelled on it for two days before I messaged him asking if I could see him a day earlier than we arranged. He said he couldn't make it that night and also couldn't make the night we originally agreed. He basically told me to spit it out over text so I did in a completely rational way - not accusatorial, completely understanding that he wants to see others, but I just want honesty.
He admitted he saw someone and because she was "so disappointing" and was in my part of town, he messaged to see if I was free. So it's not exactly that I feel like he's cheated on me, but literally less than 24 hours beforehand he told me that I was "his only bitch" (terms I brought up so I don't find that disrespectful).
I have had a look on the RPW sub, and I don't think that community is very accepting of women who just want something casual (which I genuinely do at this point). I definitely do not want to try and turn this into an LTR, he got out of a relationship at the start of the year and is obviously working on himself (and I need to do the same), but he is a great person and I really don't want to lose his company.
I have been reading up on dread game, shit tests etc, so I guess I have no choice but to see how things go.
Thank you for both replies, I really appreciate the insight!
jamieoneal82 11y ago
This is a good sign. His honesty shows respect, and the fact that despite being RP he chose to "qualify" you (basically meaning he gave you positive feedback, something that's distinctly "un-game") by implying that you're better than her means that he values you pretty highly. Just don't let it go to your head and start slacking off. ;P
Maybe at the time you were his only bitch. Who knows. Either way he was honest with you in the end. Give your man bj for good behavior and tell him that's why you did it with a big grin on your face while his cum is dripping out of your mouth on to your tits. He'll be putty in your hands. >;)
I think you'd be surprised. Either way you'll get some honest feedback. TRP is amoral and doesn't judge anyone's lifestyle. That doesn't mean there won't be neckbeards trying to convince you of this or that from time to time, but take it all with a grain of salt.
Best of luck to you!
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you!! I obviously just need to get out of my own head haha. I think it's just come as a complete shock so it's hit me pretty hard. If he let's me see him again, I'll be sure to keep in mind your bj advice :P Thanks so much, your advice has been fantastic!
jamieoneal82 11y ago
You wouldn't happen to live in central NC, would you? ;P
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Haha I'm not in the US (decided to edit out the country just in case he happens upon this thread). Thank you so much for your advice, it has really helped clear things up in my mind.
[deleted] 11y ago
Depends entirely on the individual, some of my plates are entirely cool girls, some are deplorable sluts.
Just depends what kind of girl you are really but the fact you're in here even asking shows a level of self awareness most girls lack. Good luck.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks for the reply. It's good to see that you're able to distinguish between your plates like that, because I just don't want him to have swallowed the red pill and then just immediately think I'm now the devil. I admit that I need to lose some KGs, but he tells me how attracted he is to me everytime I see him, but now I want to do it for me to become the best version of myself I can be. And yes, I genuinely want to understand The Red Pill and have been researching it before immediately slamming it like I've seen a lot of people do. Thanks again!
wall-of-meth 11y ago
As a plate, you qualified yourself physically. Mind, a good enough physique is by far not a free ticket to respect.
If you're bitchy, cause lots of drama and ride the cock carousell, there is little left to build respect on. And the motivation to search for respectable traits in a person who displays bad characteristics is quite low.
So, take a look at yourself, what you act like, which characteristics you display and what you do in your everyday life around people. There you have your answer.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks for your reply.
I'm referring to myself as a plate because I have been reading a lot of TRP literature and I wanted to try and illicit the best advice possible from the community. It was also to show that I'm under no illusion as to my position in his life.
I can honestly say that I'm not a bitchy person. Of course things/people annoy me from time-to-time, but I try not to dwell on it and am definitely an optimist. I am not self-entitled, I'm currently completing tertiary education and I have a huge range of interests that keeps me busy.
I was raised in a house with just my Father and younger Brother, and maintain a good relationship with both, so I don't have any kind of "Daddy issues".
Over the last year I decided to be more proactive when it came to men because due to insecurities, I'd had sex less than 5 times in my whole life. Obviously this isn't a bad thing, but then I started getting close to a male friend and when he was asking me what I was into and favourite things to do, I just had absolutely no idea so I wanted to find these things out. I had a few FWB-type flings over this time until I met this man.
My physique is the main thing I need to improve and I know this, but every single time I've seen him, he has told me how attracted he is to me and asked me if I knew how sexy I was etc. He thinks I'm fishing for compliments when I say that I'm none of these things, but that's genuinely how I feel and one of the reasons I am the person I am today.
I'm sorry for picking your post reply to vent on - this thread has helped me immensely in getting some much needed perspective, and it has helped me writing things down.
Thank you again for your advice, I will work on myself to prove that I am someone that deserves respect.
theredpillager 11y ago
I have 4-5 plates on rotation and would not hang out with anyone with whom I could not get along or whose company I did not enjoy. If I did not respect them on some level, I doubt I would be able to fuck them either. The things that make me lose respect for someone usually make them less attractive to me as well. Your man isn't me, but unless he's dark triad, I'd say it's likely he has respect for you on some level.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks heaps for your insights. It's good to know that even though it's just sex, there is at least a level of respect. Thanks!
[deleted] 11y ago
Have fun being an alpha widow at 30. Please don't inflict yourself on some poor beta bucks when you are tossed aside.
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thank you for bringing that term to my attention, I just went and read what Tomassi says on the subject. I guess it's something I need to be aware of, but because of my upbringing I have no intention of reproducing and I have no desire at all to be married. So I know I'd rather be happy with my own company than have some poor BB just for the sake of fitting into society's idea of "settling down".
When I told him that he's ruined me for future guys, I meant sexually since he's the only person I've been with that has been able to give me PIV orgasms and he knows this. I know things don't last forever, but he has definitely opened my eyes sexually.
Cheers.
[deleted] 11y ago
Do any of you women on reddit really grasp how long and lonely life can be? Every one of you claims not to want kids, not to want to marry--how do you envision life being when you hit the wall and men stop paying attention to you and your plate spinner dumps you for a younger model? Do you picture a life of pets, travel, work and Susan G Komen walks?
It's more likely that like millions of women in their 20s, you will suddenly change your tune at 31, get baby rabies and look for some schlep to latch onto while you moon after Mr. AlphaFux. Women have no future time orientation at all
askrpthrowaway 11y ago
Thanks for your opinion.
[deleted] 11y ago
I think you should do whatever he says :) :)
jamieoneal82 11y ago
Humorless neckbeards gonna downvote...
[deleted] 11y ago
Woman is asking for sexual strategy advice on a board about male sexual strategy. They have their own subreddit I believe.
jamieoneal82 11y ago
I was talking about your comment which I thought was sarcastic and funny. But whatever.