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DeeplyDisturbed1
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migratorysaysoary 2y ago
This might sound like a good idea for a movie but modified where the real dad can be "useful" once again. An ageing actor like Liam Neeson might fit the role.
Sadly, the said Tale of Caroline is more likely to happen.
Fancuku 2y ago
I laughed like an idiot at this.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
I laughed like an idiot when I wrote it.
Something about cheesy writing using clichés is satisfying. Don't ask why. It just is.
Ramayri 2y ago
Reminds me of an article about an outspoken feminist that made a tour of Detroit in order to fight all those racist templates about Detroit.
Poor girl ended up sexually abused and shot by the same minorities she proclaimed were given a bad name by the "whites" and their "patriarchy".
Gonna dig a little for the article. It is a huge warning sign for everyone wearing pink glasses.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
I was just trying to do this same thing. I have at least three stories in my mind about two women and a couple who were traveling overseas to prove that people are good - only to be raped and murdered. I could not easily find those links. So if anyone can contribute, it would be appreciated.
kidruhil 2y ago
That shit's always funny. Stupid feminists with zero actual life experience think the resta the world are cucked bitches like the west. Noooope. Mouth off or disrespect their sacred tenets and shits about to get real.
ZFG for dead feminists
kewlaz 2y ago
I think this is what you are after.
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8lackJack8lack 2y ago
They weren't just murdered, they were beheaded and they were conscious when it started. Like her last thoughts were that she was gonna have her head cut off within the next two minutes.
Stupid naive girls travelling and camping alone. The disgusting thing about that whole story is that gore websites got shutdown because they showed two white girls being beheaded.
The day before you could search any number of videos of brown girls from around the world being hacked up, executed, begging for their lives... etc etc. Asians, Mexicans, Brazilians, African and Middle Eastern.
Only when two white girls are filmed while being killed does the ban hammer come down. That's why I don't believe any of the main stream media and their crusade on "racism".
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
That is one of the stories. Thanks.
EastEndMontrealer1 2y ago
Reminds me of a post I saw in response to an article titled something along the lines of "Why Pakistan should be on every solo female traveler's bucket list". Someone commented: "Did human trafficking write this"
LegoJack 2y ago
Seriously...Jesus fucking Christ.
:EDIT: Holy fuck, it was a real Tweet that Forbes put out.
EastEndMontrealer1 2y ago
Told you
thefudmaster 2y ago
The same thing allegedly happened a few years ago with a couple who went to Afghanistan to prove that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were not evil. Apparently they were beheaded.
8lackJack8lack 2y ago
Nah, they were riding bikes in one of the Stans. Like Tajikistan or Kyrgistan.... one of those loopy places where they play polo with a goat carcass.
But yeah the premise of your comment is correct.
Here I found it.
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thefudmaster 2y ago
Ah. It was ISIS. Thank you for clearing that up.
8lackJack8lack 2y ago
ISIS was kind enough to set this couple up with a meeting with their own lord and saviour.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
I was waiting for the analogy. Perhaps to a guy who still presses forward with a marriage despite all the stories and warnings and chances to back out. With the attack being the loss of kids to divorce with a false accusation to make sure it sticks
Didn’t quite fit though
Also seemed like it could have just been a general metaphor for the woman who asks “the question” usually having multiple chances to avoid her situation
It is perhaps closer to this I guess
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
This was meant as a broader statement about female agency and decision making. It also highlights the struggle fathers have in sharing wisdom. What is age old wisdom to some people is oppressive outdated patriarchy to others.
And so history repeats, over and over and over.
Royal-Owl-353 2y ago
Damn dude
warlocc_ 2y ago
It's good writing.
It'd be better if we had a true story cited to base it on. I know they exist; There's a reason the Taken movies did so well.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
I deliberately avoided that. In part because there are at least a half dozen stories in recent memory where this exact thing happened. Mostly in Africa and Asia, but Sweden, Paris, and Berlin have all had serious problems with waves of rape.
Metaphors can do a great job of not trivializing a particular story. Those sorts of posts get downvoted or adminned out of existence. So being a fictional tale, this avoids those obvious traps.
warlocc_ 2y ago
That's fair, yeah.
_Woodrow_ 2y ago
Does the die hard movies doing well make those scenarios real too?
warlocc_ 2y ago
I'm not sure what you're going for. You kind of grabbed on to the wrong end of the statement, there.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Thank you.
Twice!
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polishknightusa 2y ago
I'm raising a daughter and this story touched me for obvious reasons. I try to communicate with my daughter this way: I care about her and she taking care of herself not only is good for her, but it's the best gift she can give me more valuable than any nice clothes, restaurant dinner, or a vacation. It's why father-child relationships are so important: Men are not only role models for protectors but also role models for young people to learn how to be responsible, safe, and self-sufficient.
When my daughter does something safe, I thank and praise her as much as when she does well in school or obeys instruction. It may also help that I ask her to look out for others so she gets into the spirit of it. Pets are helpful. She emphasizes with the fish and cat and has developed a basic sense of respect and consideration for others. The Kindergarten teacher says she does well helping disabled students.
As the story says, it's something you can't just "fix" by trying to scare them when they're 32 and going on a dangerous trip. Every day I'm "on deck" to set an example.
We hear "real man" shaming ploys a bit in that men who fail to meet their grade are mocked as undeveloped, but a "real woman" is someone whose prepared to handle the responsibilities of being a mother and responsible wife and that's more than spending a man's money in restaurants or squeezing out kids at the last minute. It means being proactive, responsible, and putting your family ahead of your own childish fun. "Put away childish things."
My father, RIP, went fishing every Saturday for 50 years. That was his "childish" thing, his indulgence, but at 23 or so he was fully "manned up". And my mother, like most women of the era, was also "womaned up".
"Caroline" was 32 in the story and acting like the 17 year old daughter in Taken. Consider that Liam's character in the film let this happen. Sheesh. He should have demanded a chaperone. My niece went on international trips but they were chaperoned and monitored.
I'm a father and I am astounded that so many parents don't ask these questions for their child's whole upbringing? I'd be on Caroline's case all the time about how she should start looking for a (good) man and having proper (healthy) game in place BEFORE her prime year of 26. Heck, you want to buy Amazon and Google in the EARLY days, not bidding at the finish line. "Caroline" should have been married 8 years earlier.
kidruhil 2y ago
And this kinda shit can also happen right here, from domestic bad boys that have everything in common with their victims. The purpose of this story isn't to demonize Muslims (though I'm not going to Paris anytime soon). It's to show how feminism makes women absolutely blind to reality.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Thank you.
Flashy_Glove6208 2y ago
How dumb these feminists are? If you put yourself in a risky situation you may get hurt badly.
But yeah, there is always some injustice which offends an angry feminist.
Look into the mirrow, learn from your mistakes and teach other women how to identify and avoid risky situations. Back off from men and boys.
Men know it and assess risks instinctively, and if they make a mistake they learn from it and don't bitch about it.
kookerpie 2y ago
What risky behavior did she exhibit? Visit Paris?
definitelynotfbi99 2y ago
Wow, this is so funny. Writen by a redneck who thinks Europe is a wild land, while it's actually much safer than 'Murica (look at the crime rates over the year : 5.6% in the US, 1.7% in France) It would've been in Africa or in some countries in Asia, ok, at least it would've been believable. That's so sad. Ignorance as its best, thinking murica is the center of the world.
But please, feel free to insult me or delete my comment because I spit facts and numbers. And then keep whining about these woke people who are canceling whoever hurt their feelings.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
If you're going to complain about OP painting with too broad of a brush you should try to avoid doing it yourself. The US is a huge country, and the vast majority of it is far safer than the city of Paris (particularly certain neighborhoods within Paris). By the way: since you don't seem to be aware of it, Paris is just one city in France, so comparing overall US crime rates (that include Democrat-controlled murder zones like some neighborhoods in Chicago, Detroit, and Los Angeles), to that of Paris (then lumping Paris in with, say, Auvergne) is pretty disingenuous.
A lot of Europeans like to talk about "gun culture" in the US, but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Of the remainder, the majority are criminal-on-criminal homicides that occur in certain neighborhoods in certain cities. Almost nobody dies at the hand of someone they don't know, and it's almost always the culmination of bad behavior on both sides until somebody either decides to end the situation permanently or does so in the heat of the moment.
Some of the remainder are police shootings. I'm not one of those guys who reflexively "backs the blue" (I'm in favor of significantly de-militarizing civilian police weapons and training), but despite the rare tragedy, most shootings by US cops are justified. (The problem is that they cover for the cops who kill when they shouldn't.)
If you are anywhere in about 99% of the US and are not actively engaging in criminal activity, your chances of being a victim of violence are extraordinarily slim... far less than they would be if you were wandering around Paris alone at night after a few drinks.
A few years ago I went to Europe and did a week-long solo hike of about 100 miles. Some of that was through fairly large towns, but most of it was through rural settings. At no point did I feel unsafe... in fact, everyone I met was unfailingly polite. Like the US, most of Europe is pretty safe, but there are places both in the US and in Europe where I would not feel safe wandering around alone without a care in the world.
SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
You definitly don't know crime stats details...
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Search the following term:
> rape capital of the west
If a European country comes up in the top results, then you owe this sub an apology. I doubt that you have that sort of character, but one can hope.
SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
That's Sweden..
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Yes, and....Sweden lies on which continent? Go ahead, you can say it. I believe in you!
SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
It lies beneath my feet...
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SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
Nah, it's so bad they don't even investigate most rape cases even if they stream it online, meaning there are proof etc...
54% of rapes are done by migrants. 80%+ of all assault rape. And that's with heavy underreported and few cases not just shredded immediately, not put of lack of evidence but time. See they usually are out in a year or so.
Most prisoners doesn't even speak Swedish. Most demand halal food, but to be be clear, few are practising Muslims outside of prison, but they pretend, pray etc while in prison for safety reasons. Prison islsmists, then once they served their time they munch bacon
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Yeah, but those people simply have different cultural norms. They have "sexual emergencies" so you gotta give them a break.
definitelynotfbi99 2y ago
Well that's a mostly a term used by republicans, so I found a bunch of reddit posts supporting your point, but between all the blable in various forums about immigrants, I found an article about Sweden in BBC, look it up if you're interested. If you have at least some interest in truth and not validating your point of view, you'll begin to question your point of view about this crazy foreign land called Europe.
But that's not even the point ! I was talking about how the writer view Europe, while obviously knowing nothing about this continent. And you just confirmed my point. What is the relation between Sweden and France ? They are two different countries. They are not states of a country called "Europe" . It's like I was saying "Mexico is a dangerous city, don't go to North America ! They are so violent and primitive there".
But if you want an apology, hell if I care. I'm sorry I dared question your post, I should've just gobble it up.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Okay, allow me a few thoughts:
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Thanks for the feedback though. I honestly mean that.
definitelynotfbi99 2y ago
Thanks for this answer. Let's just agree to disagree. I do mostly agree about rapists tho. They are shitbags that should be threated with no mercy, no matter who they are.
MeanPlatform 2y ago
LOL "attacked by a group of Asians"??
Is this some weird dystopian universe or some weird projection of a fanfic? Bc literally this entire past 2 years its the Asians that are being harassed and attacked for being perceived to be meek ppl that started COVID and thus deserving of harassment. I lost it at that part of the story, sorry. Comes off too much like those FDS fanfic where they project their insecurities onto these false male villains
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Thanks. That's where I got it from.
You might be surprised to find that many rapists and other criminals in the US are labeled as white, when they are anything but.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
All these categories no longer work. There is literally no such thing as "white". It could mean any one of a dozen national origins, and multiple cultures. Italy alone has about 5 distinct cultures. Same with Ireland (can anyone say Catholic and Protestant?).
It's not even insulting, it is just ignorant.
_Woodrow_ 2y ago
How is that different from any other skin color?
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
It's not necessarily. I just chose the relevant example.
Now your challenge sounds reasonable of the face of it. But you should know that increasingly comments like yours make you look like a raging asshole. Not saying you are, just that it looks that way.
The "yeah but whattabout..." thing is beyond old hat. It is ignorant and it harms good discussions. More to the point, it kills the credibility of the person saying it.
There is a time and place for it, when someone is being a hypocrite for example. But this is not the case.
So continue if you will, but now you know how others may see you.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
A cautionary tale my friend. Hold onto it. I guarantee it will mean something to you sooner or later.
Boar_excrement 2y ago
Although this story is fiction, I have seen men and women display similar behavior numerous times with the rationale, "Nothing bad should happen." What gets up my snout is the entitled belief that women should not have to worry about safety or protection regardless of context or activity. Should and could are two different realities.
If you were to create a parallel story of a young, adventurous man walking down an unlit back alley only to be brained with a brick, everyone would say the man is a fool. The young 'lady' in this story experienced an assault and everyone is damning society for not protecting her from her bad decisions.
Consequences and common sense must be tools of the patriarchy.....
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
>everyone would say the man is a fool.
This is exactly right. Men are expected to have things like "common sense" and "street smarts"
Women are expected to be free from the myriad risks that exist because "sexism"
In my house we discuss risks. Period.
kookerpie 2y ago
Why is this written like France has a worse crime rate than the US? Also in what universe would the pilot offer to take her back? Have you ever flown before?
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