preface: I believe this relates to where all the good men are because I am noticing more beta bux type dudes pulling women but not committing. There are still the standard blue pills but thats always going to be there. This is about the "back burner" or "back up" dudes that are utilizing their social standing/money to have flings instead of the usual relationship/marriage.
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We all know the standard system of 1-10 we rate on looks. Recently a more elaborate way to devise this sprung into my head and I went more in depth into it.
Leagues and Tiers are both rated S, A, B, C, D. Leagues are based on your social standing and your perceived monetary value in this hierarchy we created in the modern world. Tiers are basically the same as the 1-10 scale and based on looks. S tier is basically Chad/Stacy, A tier is Chadlite/Stacylite, B tier is average normy, C is where it starts getting bad but maybe passable, and D tier is pretty much the bottom of the barrel.
An S League person would be like the famous actors, or high up politicians, top athletes, the most talked about CEO's. Prodigious people. The Rock would be an S tier within that league, but Harvey Weinstein is a D tier in that same league. Steph Curry would be like an A tier, and that one chick comedian who always talks about vaginas could be C tier to some. but they are all in the S league. I think even C tiers will do well in this league, but D tiers will still have it tough. Elon musk would be B a tier normy but still S league (This is consistent with his divorces 2x to the same woman, getting Oneitis/NAWALTed by Amber heard, and then rebounding with this kind of goofy goth chick right now. I still think he's a genius, but still a beta bux). I hope you get what I mean.
A league are people who are successful, like doctors, CPA's, lawyers, or someone who is making a pretty good amount of money however they may be doing it, but not that top 5%. Again based on looks these can all be divided. S and A tier within this league are still going to do well. But around B tier of this league is where things get tricky and I'll say why a little later.
B league is people who are doing decent. This means completely average. Like have some savings and a whatever job, but making it by. Nothing bad nothing good. However, the A and especially S tier guys in this league are going to do probably just as well as the guys in the A league, and I think they do better than the B tier guys in the A league, which you can guess why this may cause some strife.
C league is where it gets interesting. These people aren't really making it by and made some poor choices. Maybe in lots of debt and have no job and no skills and just can't get it together. Just barely able to put food on the table and somehow make rent. The S tier guys may do well here in short term commitments, and the A tier may still get their foot in the door more often then B and C tiers in higher leagues. (note: women can always get dick in any league/tier)
D league is basically trash. S tier Chads within this league probably will still get more pussy than a B tier normy in the A league, but thats up for debate.
I hope this was a some what coherent explanation to whats going on in my head.
Now going back to what I alluded to earlier. Guys from higher leagues but lower tiers are seeing the guys in higher tiers and despite being in a lower league still pulling 80% of the coochie. This is because even if Chad isn't pulling his weight on the bills it doesn't matter because they just want to smash n dash.
Now normies from the S, A, and B leagues are becoming keen to how things work, here we call it taking the red pill, but in the real world its just from observing. But some are reversing it on women who are initiating the back burner and back up plan, and just hitting it and quitting it.
A beta bux hitting and quitting a woman who was expecting a retirement plan is the ultimate punt to cooter. But its happening more and more and thats why we always have so much content on the sister sub whereareallthegoodmen because the typical beta bux type dude is learning he can be a beta fux, at least for a short while.
I consider myself a B league and B tier dude. Still got a decent amount of women but just stopped caring after seeing chads in the S tier in any league just out gunning me every time, especially in the initial moments when women react to the first impression of height. Although interactions took more time to develop, whenever I got the chance I would try to keep a short fling but never commit.
For now i've chosen mgtow, but I constantly question if this is the right choice. If I am always thinking about it maybe there is a part of me that believes its not the right choice. But thats pondering for another time.
PS: To add, I believe anyone can move leagues and tiers with the proper self improvement and desire if thats what they want. People can also move down then, obviously. There is a max level for everyone at some point though, and thats when they can't get any better but can still get worse.
TheSpiderDungeon 5y ago
Life pretty ezpz for me atm; decent job, no debt, lots in savings, etc.. I'd say B+ league maybe. Lots more good than bad in life for me.
As for tier, I'd say C or C-. I don't see much value in myself; I'm funny with big plans, but not a genius by any means, my looks are kinda below average imo (aunt says I'm handsome, but whose aunt doesn't call them handsome?), and I eat fast food daily. Not fat, but definitely on the border on the BMI.
All in all, super intuitive and comprehensive system; well done! I actually feel like I know where I stand in the dating game because of this. I hope it catches on!
[deleted] 5y ago
Why bother? All you're doing is moving up the ladder of women who only love your value and do not value your love. Steve Harvey made one smart statement in his otherwise miserable life: don't hate the player... change the game.
Men need to bite the bullet and refuse to deal with hypergamic women. If that means not getting laid then so be it, but if enough of us get the message and avoid them, they'll die out and send a message to other women not to be like that. We as men have failed to set boundaries with women and that is part of why we suffer. Women have learned to set boundaries and live with loneliness if those boundaries aren't respected. We can and need to do the same.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
I commend your ability to rationalize.
That being said. This is autistic as fuck. Seriously, way, wayy too much energy given to an external locus of control.
The fact is, people aren't all that different. We bleed the same color and we die the same way if we bleed enough. We have sexual and emotional triggers that are so similar we've come up with acronyms like AWALT to describe them.
Take a step back man. Unplug and focus on what you can do. Don't worry about leagues, or tiers, or the 1-10 scale. Focus instead on using your drive, energy, and desires to get what you want. It doesn't matter what league, tier, or number a woman is when you're focused on the things that actually matter: your body language, physicality, vocal intonation, words, and sexual/emotional intent. Never give things outside yourself more power than they deserve.
That whole post is an exercise in creating a buffer (as Rollo calls them) that gives you a convenient excuse as to why you aren't improving. Just fucking improve and don't pay too much attention to peoples' sociosexual status because we don't live in a world where it matters anymore. Do yourself a favor and keep yourself focused on the things you can do.
Tookthemethpill 5y ago
Yea i'm definitely on the spectrum, and with the combination of being very theoretical and cynical my thought process is basically "What can go bad, and how likely is it to go bad". But I think in a way its actually good for me to think like this especially when it comes to marriage and relationships where the negatives can totally outweigh the positives.
I am trying to better myself as far as investments, income, savings, and being able to retire early. But I do have a hard time accepting the things I can't change about myself, such as my skin color, height, dick size, etc. And as you can tell I compare myself to others way beyond the healthy amount an average person would.
I've had success with women in my early 20's, but now i'm 30 and have pretty much been celibate for almost 2 years. Still struggling with thoughts that if this life is for me.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
That doesn't sound like an autism problem that sounds like a self-worth problem.
Read my comment again and reflect on what you aren't paying attention to. You're so focused on things outside yourself that you've begun to mentally neglect your own well being.
I used to identify fairly strongly as MGTOW, but I realized, and eventually disassociated with the fact that many MGTOW use the label as a buffer and an excuse. Stop. What do you really want? When you fantasize about your life, what does that look like before you shut it down? Write that down. That's your own internal compass telling you where you need to go.
Being on the spectrum is great when it comes to self-development. You can focus entirely on what you're doing and where you're going without much need for gimmicks. You just need to turn your awareness inward, and stop beating up on yourself for things you can't control.
ClockworkOrange92618 5y ago
Solomon II called this "Beta Bait", and I think it's relevant enough to this post to paste here for your reference:
"If you’re gaming women over the age of 25, presenting yourself as a hapless beta eager to commit and provide for a family can actually work in your favor at times. You won’t get same night sex, but you’ll get laid soon enough for sure.
I’m no master PUA. I don’t get laid by beautiful women every other weekend. But in comparison to the general public, I do ok. After a quick count back through the past few years, I average a different woman about every two to three months. It’s nothing to really brag about, but I’m happy with it because I sleep with or casually date some pretty decent looking women – young, in shape, and at least a 7 on the scale. I’ve never been with a 10. I’ve banged boat loads of 7s, about a half dozen 8s, and two 9s.
One of my friends is dating a 10. I mean a perfect, jaw-dropping, every man and woman in the club stops in amazement when she walks in 10. She’s a 5’9” half Latina half American Indian fitness instructor with a tiny waist and large natural C cups. Dear god almighty it hurts just thinking about her. A few weeks ago we were all hanging out in a club and she was leaning in talking to me. She said “I wish Jeremy would just settle down. We’re too old to be out clubbing like this.” She’s 26 years old, by the way.
Thinking there was no way in hell I’d ever get her to leave my buddy – her 6’3” Abercrombie & Fitch model lookalike boyfriend, I decided to try a different approach on her. I tossed out the game, the negs, the framing, etc. and simply said: “I agree. We really are too old to be partying like this. I’m really at the point in my life where I just want to settle down with a woman I love, have a family, and enjoy the next phase of my life. I know it sounds strange to hear a man say this, but I think I’m finally ready for a baby.”
Her eyes dilated. She put her hand on my elbow. With her boyfriend not ten feet away (albeit looking the other direction ordering more shots) she leaned in to me and said “You know, you’re a good man. If I wasn’t with Jeremy, I would so be with you.” Then she kissed me half on the lips/half on my chin and smiled. She waited a few seconds to gauge my reaction. I said nothing. I just looked at her.
She said “We’re always in a group. Why don’t we just ever hang out together? We can do some grownup stuff like check out a museum or see a show”. About that time, the lights came on in the club. Closing time. Jeremy went out to hail a cab and told me to round the girls up and get them to the curb. On our way out, she said to me “Where are you traveling to next for work?” I said “Vegas” which was a lie. Then she said “That sounds nice…” She was clearly waiting for me to invite her.
I put her in the cab with her boyfriend – one of my good friends – and sent them off. It’s been two weeks, and I haven’t spoken to her since. I’m not going to bang my buddy’s girlfriend. But if I wanted to, I could have had my very first 10. I haven’t said a word to my buddy about this, and I’m not going to. He knows who he’s dealing with, and there’s a reason he avoids commitment with her like the plague.
Beta Bait works. I actually mentioned the B word (babies) to a perfect 10 at a club and it worked like a fucking charm. So if you bump into a former party girl who has all of a sudden decided to become the traditional Little House on the Prairie wifely type, try this approach.
REMINDER: This will only work on women whose biological clocks are ticking louder than a freight train.
THOUGHT: I’m not sure how this would work in a cold approach since I’ve never done it. I’ve known this girl for about 4 months, so she’s comfortable with me. I’m not sure to what extent this changes the dynamic."
The above was written in 2010, btw:)
DarthBroker 5y ago
I may have to add this to my routine.
I am turning 31 this year and right now I am dating 2 22 year olds and 1 26 year old. Every single woman who is over 28 is looking for Beta Bux and I usually dismiss them.
Seroriman 5y ago
Sounds almost like a 2-dimensional coordinate system - with the Leagues arranged by success/socioeconomic status, while the tiers denote social skills and the qualities (good looks, risk taking, confidence, sometimes ruthlessness) that women find attractive.
Of course there is some positive correlation - success and thus fame and money are attractive to women, just as the qualities women find attractive often help success, but it's basically a lozenge shape of sorts.
A lot of the anger of beta-bux men arises from the discrepancy between their perceived position in society and success and the low amount of actual female validation and sex it translates into, whereas women are often upset or shocked if the beta-fux drives a hard bargain and extracts more from her than she would be ready to give - asserting his status and money over the more "tingly" qualities.
TrumpCardStrategy 5y ago
Good write-up, basically describes how one can Amog (alpha male of the group) in one situation but be bottom tier in another depending in the leagues at play in any given social situation. I think this explains a lot of how realtively unappealing guys compared to the population as a whole can still get girls because they might be the alpha of the lower leagues and then get the women who are also in that league or below.
beenthere789 5y ago
I like your assessment and the thought that you put into this ... shows a very high intelligence and the ability to segment and make it a more understandable and manageable system ... I am intelligent but I had to read it two or three times to try to get a good understanding of where you're going with this. It seems reasonable and based on fact. I do agree with you that the if they are beta and realize that, they can play that to their advantage with women who want to just take advantage of them ... Classic Game Theory. That's what I primarily took away from it ... and why not? I'm not about using people, but if there is a situation where you realize that she's simply trying to use you, why not reverse the strategy that she has and you play the same game with her ... I await on other comments, but again this is not for the faint of heart intellectually.
Tookthemethpill 5y ago
definitely could still be the classic case of fuckboi. But i'll try to explain like this: think of Aziz Ansari. At one point he probably thought that riches and fame would make him irresistible to women, and maybe it still does. But I would rate him a C tier despite being in the S league. Because of his looks he is going not going to be stealing any stacies from chad plumbers or chadlite accountantants, despite his fortune.
In the past Aziz would probably be married right now, but due to this recent change due to technologic advancement allowing for (i would argue) true mate selection he is probably taking any pump n dumps he can get.