Anyone who's spent any time here knows how much we enjoy to blaming Progressives, Feminists, SJWs, etc, for all that is wrong with the world. Definitely an enjoyable pastime. However today we're taking the Hate Train in the opposite direction and discussing the people who didled themselves awkwardly while the West took veiny multicultural dick to the face, vagina and anus. That's right, today we're talking bout conservatives, why they always lose and how not to be them.
Now at this point you and the 20-30k people who usually read my diatribes are wondering: GaylubeOil why you shiting on Conservatives? I mean they basically agree with you most of the time? So what gives? AltRight I'll tell you bro. If conservatives weren't such losers you would be in Georgia right now sipping a mint julep watching your crop get harvested. I would be in Russia whipping my Serfs. Both of us would have abundant German soap.
At this point a bunch of Stoic logical Alfalfas are flipping their shit because I made some bad bad inappropriate jokes. Those same people swear that liberals and political correctness are the devil. But here they are, mad at me for breaking a speech code that liberals spent decades putting into practice. Think about that for a second. They hate liberals but live their lives by liberal rules. Fucking retarded right? Yea super retarded. That's conservatives.
So why are conservatives such losers? Why did conservatives lose on basically every social issue for the past 100 years? Because conservatives are dimwitted and unimaginative. Their most profound ideas are tax cuts and wars. Liberals have the creativity to say: 7 year old Transgenders? Sounds good let's make that happen. Conservatives on the other hand can't even trick a white bitch into having a few more babies. But what about abortion?
Ok let's talking about that. Decreasing the need for immigration is predicated on making women want to have more babies. It's not about forcing them into having babies. When you force people to do something they usually want to do the opposite. Liberals know this and call it the Hegelian Dialectic. Conservatives don't. Which is why some of them frolic in white robes and burn crosses. The only thing that the KKK has ever accomplished is the promotion of diversity. Maybe if Billy Bob Banjo possessed introspection and foresight he'd realize that his method isn't working and never worked. Perhaps then he could redirect his efforts towards funding segregation propaganda like the Black Panther film.
Unlike liberals, conservatives don't have a vision for the future. Their game plan is to preserve the status quo whatever it may be, then lose and then declare the loss a victory. The same people who protested gay marriage are currently Cowgirling Milo's dick. Conservatives stop trying after they lose. Liberals don't. In other words conservatives are always within the liberal frame. They dance to liberal music and play by liberal rules, just not as well.
So what does any of this have to do with Red Pill? A lot actually. The mental illness known as conservatism isn't just a national phenomena. It manifests itself at all levels: individual, family, and organizational. So for example a conservative individual might be an unimaginative dresser. He’ll prohibit his wife from dancing and his teenagers from watching porn instead of creating a compelling counternarative. His company will stupidly and slowly copy it's competition. The Red Pill is a rejection of the system not it's celebration. That's why the Red Pill is Anti Conservative.
Think of the progressive agenda as a masterbating homeless man on the subway. The liberals are the people applauding. The conservatives are the ones yelling angrily. Those pretending not to notice, offer tacit consent. All groups make the hobo's masterbation more enjoyable. The radical solution aka the Red Pill solution, is to spray the subway car with a fire extinguisher and steal the hobo’s attention.
A Red Pill solution is any solution that wrestles control of the narrative. That means shit testing your girlfriend’s shit test. It means scaring your masterbating 14 year old son into NoFap by showing him the weirdos and creeps at the porn store. It means selling Feminists femininity disguised as radical feminism, rather than stupidly arguing. Most importantly, it means possessing courage and innovation, something that conservatives inherently lack.
As the Red Pill train gains steam, more and more conservatives are gonna try to climb aboard. Kick them off. They're losers, they don't have a plan and historically speaking they always lose. If conservativism worked the Red Pill wouldn't be necessary and you wouldn't need GaylubeOil or his hobo masterbation metaphors. Don't get cucked by conservatives.
If you're ready to put in work to make a real change this year, I offer a Red Pill Fitness Coaching Service. Shoot me a PM.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
I take offense to that. Great post!
Whitified 6y ago
Liberals want the bus to fall down a cliff. Conservatives want the bus to go over the cliff slowly
Still don't know what I can do though. Sorry
AlfredKinsey 6y ago
A lot of young dudes need to hear this. SJW hate is easy, being critical of reactionary conservative responses that feel good and sound nice is not so easy.
RedPillHanSolo 6y ago
B-b-but redpill is for smashing womyn!!!11 Take your intellectual bullshit elsewhere!111 /s
I'm wondering how many people are getting they way of thinking with templates and stereotypes fucked up by GLOs posts.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Mwahahahahahah
nofaprecommender 6y ago
Snowflakes gonna snowflake.
balloutrageous 6y ago
What are you trying to do here? Alienate conservatives instead of garnering their support?
Wouldn't you rather change their minds instead of bashing them?
If your only purpose here is to enable a circle jerk, great job, but if you're trying to change minds then this is not the way to do it.
Do you approach people with criticism by being a dick or with empathy and respect?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Whisper 6y ago
Garnering their support for what exactly?
TRP is not a movement. TRP is not soliciting funds. TRP is not starting an organization. TRP is not recruiting.
TRP is telling you stuff to help you not wind up as someone else's tool.
Looks like we failed you.
balloutrageous 6y ago
Garnering their support for whatever the fuck you want.
In this case, OP could have been more agreeable when bringing up the fact that TRP is NOT about conservative politics. Maybe he could have made a few asshole conservatives think before commenting.
From what I can tell TRP is full of emotional toilet babies that need support from completely irrational morons like this guy:
The guy isn't even trying to have a rational discussion. Just an emotional lefty who wants his bottle.
If anyone's a tool, it's you and gaylube for buying this emotional shit instead of having your own well thought out opinions.
Whisper 6y ago
The human mind doesn't work the way you think it works.
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balloutrageous 6y ago
Trying to open a dialogue with the other side without being a contentious twat definitely sounds like a better strategy than yours
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balloutrageous 6y ago
Lol look at Einstein playing 64D chess
Are you happy with what the donald is? Because it sounds like you're very proud of your accomplishment.
Quit the mental gymnastics.
Acting like a fucking drag queen instead of manning up and accepting that there's a chance you could be wrong
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balloutrageous 6y ago
Why try to have a rational debate with an emotional baby like you
ROLLTIDE4EVER 6y ago
I never understood how supporting wars is conservative. Robert Taft is rolling in his grave.
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The politics of war change with time. You think it was the conservatives screaming to enter WW2? No the conservatives were the ones passing euthanasia laws and supporting Hitler. Politics comes and goes but war, war never changes.
ROLLTIDE4EVER 6y ago
I thought it was progressives that supported those policies. WEB Dubois even complement HItler....smh. Conservatives to me are Old Right.
ROLLTIDE4EVER 6y ago
https://ihatehate.wordpress.com/tag/transmetropolitan/
CryptofCthulhu 6y ago
Was banned from The_Donald reddit for not kissing Reverend Graham's ass.
Poor poor snowflakes.
ROLLTIDE4EVER 6y ago
https://ihatehate.wordpress.com/tag/transmetropolitan/
Saza_King 6y ago
I thought this was a sexual strategy sub
Dmva100 6y ago
'Believe all women' and 'put your faith in Jesus and obey God'
Same dumbass shit.
C_Till 6y ago
I love the right hate you get when you call them on their bullshit.
Oh, you hate the left? You must be a red blooded 'murcian gay basher like me!
Nah fam, both of you are idiots.
rage begins
waldo888 6y ago
This whole article is by a guy who mixed up the definitions of conservative as an adjective and conservative as a noun...impressively obtuse.
redpillthrowaway1214 6y ago
Identity politics in general are incredibly cancerous. Logic and reason should be above all else.
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Here is the logic buddy. Race is a genetic component. Multiculturalism has never worked. They need gov laws to enforce it and people still cluster by race. America was founded by white people for white people. Whites will be a minority in 2050. We need an ethnostate.
Arnoux 6y ago
It is. From OP:
I don't even understand what he is talking about. He is definitely not referring to conservatives but probably to a party in a country (most likely Republican in USA? )
Conservatives in my country is nothing like this. They never considered war publicly and they show no intention of ever going to a war. Also sadly they are not cutting taxes too much.
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In today's political climate, identity politics are the most logical thing you can do. Someone using logic today would realize that nobody else is using logic, so they'd stop being a fedora sperg, and they'd do what works. The logical thing today is to get really really really good at identity politics, not to not do identity politics.
redpillthrowaway1214 6y ago
Yes if you're a politician but for a regular citizen without money or power, political views really don't matter. In my opinion, time is better spent on other things.
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You didn't just refute identity politics though, if anything, you argued against all politics.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 6y ago
Modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical. As long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, then we are not even close to what is essential.
BornShook 6y ago
Nice opinion. Stop presenting it as fact. You sound like an idiot.
BornShook 6y ago
Why? Thats a huge contridiction. If I don't like identity politics, I should get good at identity politics to fight off identity politics? Why even give a fuck at that point? I dont like the game, I'm just not gonna play.
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You can't opt out of power or politics. You can chooose not to play, in which you just get rolled by those who do. But you can't opt out of the system. All you can do is either try to win, meaning adapt to the world of identity politics, or get comfortable with losing, as you seem to be.
BornShook 6y ago
I'll dabble in it if I have to but my main route of thinking will always be logic. And its apparent that you yourself are using logic right now as well. Logic is still very powerful. Do not overthink this.
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I actually don't think that you're using logic. As ironic as this may sound, I think you're being tribalistic. Even though it's a bit paradoxical to have a tribe of individualists, that's the way you're using individualism. You're treating individualists as your team and you're talking about which sacrifices you might make such that people can continue to be on that team. You haven't made any compelling arguments (or any arguments at all, for that matter) for why individualism is worth preserving, which is the way people think of their tribe. No Roman ever needed to argue for why Romans should defend the Roman Empire.
I'm the one actually being logical. I'm discussing which ends are worth fighting for, what works, and which adaptations will be successful. There are certain tribes that I'm similarly unwilling to walk away from, but I choose good tribes and I do it consciously so that I can do it smartly. You kind of accidentally fell in to a tribe that you're willing to fall on your sword for, except it's a shitty tribe because it inherently refuses to work together. The individualist tribe you've fallen into is like of Romans skipped the training and lining up in formations part of being a legionnaire and skipped right to falling on their swords to commit suicide to avoid the shame of losing a battle. It's still tribalistic, it's just stupid tribalism.
BornShook 6y ago
Yes, I don't know everything, otherwise I would be a god. I have to use whatever information I believe benefits me the most. I cannot be a 100% logic machine because I would be sacrificing my entire identity for the sake of logic. But who fucking cares.
You're wasting your time thinking about this. I used to spend all my time thinking about this shit and formulating arguements. It's just not going to work. I also cannot even attempt to acknoledge any of the shit youre saying. The entire book you just wrote is a string of strawmans, and you ended it with "But who fucking cares".
Eat a snickers bro, you overanalyze everything when youre hungry
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I disagree. We can be the change we want to see in the world. Logic and reason is going to cut through the bullshit eventually and people will see it and understand. Look at Ben Shapiro, for example, he is still rising and he's built his image on logic and reason in the face of retarded identity politics. We don't need to sink to the level of identitarians, we just need to speak the truth boldly, never cower in fear of fucking outrage activist mobs and people will get on board.
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The change I want to see in this world is not to be steamrolled by people with better strategy than me.
Your position isn't logical. Your position is not adapting to the world as it is and that's not logical.
Ben Shapiro is a Zionist; that's identity politics. Individualism is just for you and he would never want it for Israel.
The fact that you're comfortable losing does not put you on a higher level than people who actually try to win.
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You have your own strategy? Sounds like you want to latch on to whatever works, i.e you lack your own beliefs and individual identity.
Shapiro believes in personal responsibility and changing the world via individual empowerment rather than collectivism which is what TRP is all about.
I'm not comfortable losing but i'm not going to 'adapt' to faggy identity politics. That would be being within someone else's frame, wouldn't it?
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No, you have it backwards. If you're willing to do something that doesn't work, then don't care about your beliefs or identity and if you don't care about your identity then you might as well not have one.
No, TRP is about good results, not about dying on the cross of some principles that someone told you to have.
Being on the losing side keeps you in whatever frame the winners tell you to be in. Adapting your approach gives you a realm of autonomy. Losing gives you nothing.
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We don't know that it doesn't work. What is your answer to the identity politics of the left? White identity politics?
What results are you looking for, exactly? I believe TRP to be about living truthfully and carrying responsibility, I just think that's how a man should act in the world, and it will have a positive impact on everything when individuals live this way, with stern principles.
Isn't that playing by someone else's rules?
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Yes.
An individualist group won't beat collectivists. Just won't, sorry. A basketball team that plays as a team will always beat one that passes the ball to whomever is running in the general right direction regardless of what jersey that person happens to be.
You know everything that's made society go to shit since liberals started taking over? I'd like to reverse all of that and go back to a time when society didn't suck.
Okay, I believe this too. However, I don't think that a man is living more responsibly or more honestly by letting himself get his ass kicked in every cultural and political battle. I think that we have a responsibility to beat the left because the left is fundamentally evil.
You have it SO backwards, dude. If you're going to deliberately lose and you're willing to fight your own side when your own side does what it takes to win, then you might as well be fighting for the left. In a way, you kind of are fighting for the left. There is absolutely nothing principled about this stance you're taking. You keep asserting that it's principled, honest, and right, as if it's obvious, but there's no reason why it should be obvious. All it is, is losing.
This isn't some fantasy world where you're just unaffected by what the other side does. What if Julius Caesar just said: "Screw it, this is the fastest way to cross Gaul. They might be standing there, out numbering us, and so on... but I'm a man's man so we're just gonna walk through their army as if it's not even there!!"
He would have been slaughtered. Right now, Caesar is remembered as an alpha because he didn't do that. He recognized that there was something it took to win and he did that thing. He may not have had full autonomy to march into a Hastati army as if it wasn't even there, but he did get to do certain things on his own terms and as he won more battle, "certain things" became "whatever he wanted." Had he just ignored the notion that there is something it would take to win though, he would have marched like an alpha right into a Gallic prison, where he would never have freedom again and would have been humiliated right up until his death.
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Individuals will always cut through in an ocean of collectivist drones. It's why Jordan Peterson is on the rise. He stands up, as an individual, to confront a huge group of ideologically possessed academics and brainwashed students, and he is making incredible strides forward in creating more independent, critical thinking and responsible men. You're kind of suggesting we try Nazism or something similar, and hey, I won't judge you for that, but I believe that kind of tribal thinking to be sub-optimal and destructive.
Well, yeah. But, we can choose how we do this, and returning to white identity politics won't take us to a society that doesn't suck.
Yes and no. Some leaders and people in charge of the left are clearly malevolent and need to be stopped, but a lot of them are just brainwashed adult infants and can be shown another way. We can lead by example. I also think you're overestimating the strength of the left. They have no principles, no discipline, barely any cohesion aside from mass liking tweets and organised boycott campaigns. If we ever did have to band together as a group to destroy them, it wouldn't have to be based on our identity as white people. The modern individualist movement is still in it's infancy, there will be people that want to escape the left and we will be their refuge. Numbers of responsible adults/individuals will only grow as people realise the decadence of liberalism gets them nowhere.
We don't know that we'll lose. In fact, I'm almost positive we'll lose if we try white identity politics. Nazis didn't win, the KKK never achieved anything i'm pretty sure. White identity politics is symbolic of the desire to cause as much destruction as possible in the shortest amount of time purely to spite your enemies imo. It also validates the sick identity politics of the other side, too. Why would we want to do that? There's no better world on the other side of nazism.
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Why do you think this? Individualists have literally never won anything ever. There has literally never been one single cultural or political battle that was won by individualists. Ever. You seem to be thinking of hardworking people who try to do their best. Sure. They win, but there's nothing inherently individualistic about that.
Of course it will... when whites played identity politics, society didn't suck.
No, it isn't individualism is ancient and it's always been given to people who are not in power. Always. It's not some new cool ideology, nor is it even a particularly good one. If your group values the people in it then it's pretty good to have a group. It's just that if you're one of the people who the left doesn't care for, then they tell you to be groupless rather than to form a group with the others that they don't care for, because they're not afraid of a bunch of individuals.
Why not? Because some leftist told you that white is evil?
This is just plain wrong. It does get them somewhere. Hispanics, blacks, and Jews are better off than they've ever been in this country because they collectivize. It gets you nowhere because you have no collective.
Such a stupid argument. The Allies were more racist than the Nazis; in fact, they took a poll in 1944 and 90% of whites said they would rather lose the war than give equal rights to blacks. Also, the KKK only lost to more identity politics. Collectives have lost to other collectives, but no collective has ever at any point in the history of mankind, any where in the world, even once, lost to individualists.
Let me guess, your boy Ben Shapiro told you this upon hearing that a white collective wouldn't want to fight for Ben Shapiro's Israeli collective?
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Patzer1470 6y ago
and there goes the based conservative... once again playing within the framework of the liberal status quo
cdhunt6282 6y ago
Since when is ignoring evidence part of reason and logic?
chasemyers 6y ago
What do identity politics have to do with logic and reason?
Identity politics are a Marxist tool used to gain frame control.
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redpillthrowaway1214 6y ago
Not sure what you're getting at. Can you clarify?
everyone_wins 6y ago
Lol no one cares about logic and reason and they certainly don't respond to it. It's the assumption that people will respond to logic and reason that got conservatives cucked in the first place. The left, for all their naivete, understands this completely.
BornShook 6y ago
How did conservatives get cucked ?
everyone_wins 6y ago
They got cucked because they appealed to logic and reason instead of emotion.
BornShook 6y ago
I did'nt ask why, I asked how. But your reasoning is stupid.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
This is the first post that seemed to understand GLO point
BrianSingerPoolparty 6y ago
Are you trying to create that mythical army to fight Leonidas and the Spartans ?? hahahahahaa
[deleted] 6y ago
Well, this trp escalates quickly. From how to be a man to there is only one truth... Every time when someone is trying, even subconciously, force me to his own truly right, my BS alert lights up. And it's even worse because that comes from celebrity of trp.
boxrlvr 6y ago
You just don’t know my level of motivation. ???????? Show your work. I didn’t think too deep on it. Seeing the numbers should be interesting. If it works out to be possible you should keep it under wraps. These politicians may get behind it and I’m really not in a secure place financially. Another sin tax could wipe me out.
Gargantuar01 6y ago
That is why the alt-right is the best candidate to rival the progressives, unlike conservatives which want to preserve and slow down the leftist hell train, the alt-right offers an alternative (white ethnostate, total free-speech etc.). The alt-right also acknowledged uncomfortable truths that progressives and conservatives didn't (race realism, difference between woman and men ect.). That is why we have only 2 possible outcomes for western countries: multicultural leftist countries or white ethnostates. You choose which one you want the most.
Nightshade37 6y ago
I'm a conservative first and foremost because I believe the constitution of the United States should be preserved and that basically the government sucks at just about everything. It should be as small as possible. Personal responsibility is emphasized which is extremely RP.
A liberal soy boy blames the world for his problems and demands that daddy government come in and help him. He bitches that if only the government was big enough that societies problems would go away. A liberal soyboy believes that I feel therefore it must be true or it is automatically good and everyone should fall in line with my feelings. It's about feeling better about oneself than actually helping anyone. It is about having a feeling about something then going out to find facts to justify that feeling instead of looking at all of the evidence first then coming to your own conclusion about the world.
StraightGlueWater 6y ago
The ideals of conservatism, sure. In practice, modern conservatives are willing to flip on every principle they claim to hold. I'm ashamed at how easily they rolled over to Trump. Unprincipled fucks.
chaseemall 6y ago
If you were a real conservative you'd support the Stuart Monarchy
TooHoly999 6y ago
Modern "liberalism" is rooted in having the government take care of people. Classical liberalism is rooted in one taking care of themselves.
Anyone who wants an entity to take care of them, rather than creating an environment in which they can thrive, is inherently beta.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
classical liberalism was absorbed by modern conservatism ever since Marx and his followers decided liberalism and leftist ideology should be based on giving the state all the power.
steini1904 6y ago
Yeah, liberalism kinda lost the irony it was assigned with to the authoritarian left
Regl_b 6y ago
I thought classic liberalism was about owning a bunch of slaves and getting them to take care of you...
ProPotFarmer 6y ago
Well shit, you are dumb as fuck then. When you learn Lincoln was a Republican your brain will probably assplode (you have shit for brains so it doesn't explode, just assplode, because you are retarded as shit).
Regl_b 6y ago
Yes, Lincoln was a Republican (no shit), and democrats founded the KKK and wanted to keep the slave trade alive and well. What am I missing here Mr. PotFarmer?
SnowMonkeyCracker 6y ago
A classic example of blue-pill conservatism is Prager U's assertion to be a man and get married. Why? Because married men work more hours and earn more money! However, no mention is made of divorce rape or overall quality of life.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
If there were more masculine men who got married, raised other masculine men and kept their women in line, the divorce laws would be very different. Divorce rape is the direct result of the lack of personal responsibility(conservatism) and the increase of "daddy government will save me from all my mistakes"(liberalism)
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daemon86 6y ago
Because blaming others for everything, like "foreigners and refugees are so bad", doesn't show someone is strong. It shows they are weak and that's why it's a loser mentality.
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SlappaDaBayssMon 6y ago
I'm not a social conservative, but this is fucking retarded. You lit that strawman up good.
GLO, this is not your best work.
altheman0767 6y ago
Seriously this is a shit article.
The_BitterTruth 6y ago
Seriously this is a shit comment.
Danaybiel 6y ago
Lol srsly? Chosing to think for yourself and not following someone else's frame is bad work? Isn't that the entire goal of this philosophy? Don't get upset just because your so deep into a frame you don't even realise it or do IDC.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
If my frame lead to conservatism, you're shaming my frame on the basis of what, exactly?
If you follow GLOs frames and his OP then you are already following someone else's frame. Grats you went full circle.
SlappaDaBayssMon 6y ago
Congratulations, you managed to make less sense than GLOs spergout
615bachelor 6y ago
Black panther isn't segregation propaganda. You're silly for thinking that. It's just a movie.
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
As hippie as this might come off the real reason why the world has gone to shit isn' t a left vs right Feminist v Red Pill thing. It's really simple if you think about it. The world has gone to shit because there's very little natural Love in it.
People love money, sex, status, power, luxury among other things but without heartfelt love and natural concern for people middle school shootings can be viewed with as much indifference as the stock market rising and falling by 1 point.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
If people love money sex status power luxury then you can easily make the argument that THAT IS natural love. Unless you're claiming humans aren't animals, and are some sort of alien creature from another dimension?
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
Well, first you'd have to define what love is. From what I've come to understand of it is that it's inherently selfless. The "love" of sex, money, status, and power are more self seeking obsessions that selfless states of being. Whether this be good, bad, or indifferent makes no difference to me and I care nothing for any irrelevant internet debate about ethics.
Whether you consider men animals or extraterrestrial I couldn't care less. Men are fundamentally enslaved by their obsessions.
IwannaFocus 6y ago
Conservatives? Liberals? Left? Right? It doesn't matter who wins these days - both ends of the spectrum don't really give a damn about you, me or anyone else here that does not have a pocket full of our One True God; $$$$$$$.
Why is it that only the newer generations feel less inclined to vote in the first place (unless it has something to do with weed, games and other distractions)? Because deep down inside they know that voting is pointless. Society is fucked, and it fucks you even harder. The only ones still voting are the brainwashed old-generation cucks who ate up the propaganda they've been fed with for last 40-50 years - like a fat kid at all-you-can-eat-buffet, and the new political muscle that is Immigrants/WhateverTheFuckElse.
They are not your friends - be it liberals or conservatives. Majority of them are Machiavellian Psychopaths who decided to play the game in order to gain power. You think they sit in that Congress/Senate/Duma/Bundesrat/HouseOfWhatever and think about how to solve all the issues the society is facing? Nope. They create distractions, lies and deceit in order to desperately cling to this cyclical power-structure we call "Democracy".
Fuck politics. The only thing that matters is money, status and power. You want to truly improve and slay chicks by the 100s? Start making six or more figures....
P.S No that doesn't mean that you should neglect game, lifting and self improvement.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
What are you, some sort of faggot? Of course the only thing people care about is their own will to power, that's the entire red pill dumb ass.
You what? Do you understand how elecotral colleges work? You vote for your electoral and he then votes for whoever. America is a Representative republic, actually the only thing that DOES matter is your vote, idiot.
So we should just sit around and wait for it to self destruct instead of engaging it politically to improve society. Kys.
seriously, what? Young people do vote, not as much as older people, but can you find me a time in history in any civilization where young people were more or as active in political dialogue than their elders? Idiot.
Fuck politics but the only thing that matters is money? Do you understand how money is even made or what it represents? It's value based on economic demands. What is the main thing that effects economy? Policy. And policy = politics, you mong.
p3n1x 6y ago
They vote everyday on facebook and reddit.
Hate to burst your bubble about the pointless generation, but if you were correct, then voter turnout would be getting smaller and smaller. It isn't.
You are right about playing a different game for a more fulfilled life.
TheReformist94 6y ago
ECONOMICS. TRP IS THE AUSTRIAN SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS APPLIED TO SEXUAL STRATEGY.
killking72 6y ago
And how do you get the most money, status, and power
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R3dSt0rmR1sen 6y ago
Nope, politics are really important because the people that participate in it control thousands of nuclear weapons, if for no other reason.
And yah, I do think these people try to solve our issues. They probably just have more on their mind then fuck bitches get gainz get payed. Very sorry if this is upsetting to you. If you have any better ideas, feel free to descend from Olympus and show us the way.
Heard so much shit about this sub. First post I clicked. Sadly, seems justified.
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bazingabrickfists 6y ago
Fuck politics, see where that lands you genius. In a perfect world you would get your space to jerk off to a picture of yourself but this world unfortunately needs you to be involved more than ever.
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I think that's a load of crap. Immigration, Net Neutrality, Healthcare, taxes,, Climate Change, etc... All important issues that Republicans and Democrats disagree on.
I abhor politicians, for most it's about the next step in their careers and a thirst for power. But there are still key differences that may affect our lives and for that it's still worth getting off our asses for 30 minutes a year to vote.
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
Yes. Get off the couch for 30mins to vote for absolutely nothing in society to change for the better. Your getting hoofwinked by these modern day bandits and their lies. A good use of 30 minutes you'll never get back.
lopsidedlucky 6y ago
No it's not. What is "worth it" is getting off your ass and getting involved. Volunteer for the candidates you endorse. Find others to do the same.
You'd be surprised how much of a difference an extra 10 people in a grassroots election dropping off lawn signs can make. Seriously, I've seen elections where the winner won by 200 votes. An extra radio ad alone could have switched that election.
Do more than vote.
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hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
Yes exactly. The best thing about a civilization like America (that was created by conservatives) is you are actually not even just allowed but ENCOURAGED to be the change you want to see. Anything other is mindless whining that things aren't going your way but you don't wanna do anything about it either. Completely childish.
cdhunt6282 6y ago
I agree with your diagnosis, but not your prescription. You're saying the game is rigged, play on your phone while you wait for it to end. But if you wait for the game to end, you lose even if you choose not to play. The real solution is to flip the board. Fuck their game and fuck them. Destroy the old game and replace it with something we can all play, for our posterity. Civilization flourishes when men plant trees whose shade they know they'll never enjoy
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
Too many people are sleeping, sipping the Kool-aid to revolt against the system. You want to turn the tables you have to do it on your own term as an individual. The collective is complacent in mediocrity but lasting progress begins within the individual.
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LukesLikeIt 6y ago
A lot of us are just waiting till enough people realise ops statement is true and start a revolt. We can’t win unless we unite otherwise we will just constantly bicker amongest ourselves like all you see on reddit these days. Anyone who talks as if Democrats and republicans are different are still brainwashed.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
yeah we should give up identity politics, band together, and create our own political identity. Perfectly sound logic, the only kind you'll see on this subb.
cdhunt6282 6y ago
The other guy who commented was correct in that "enough people" won't ever wake up, at least not without a jolt. If little Bobby is going to bed hungry and grandma can't get her insulin, mom and dad will follow anybody that offers change and has the ability to back it up
An_All-Beef_Engineer 6y ago
That will never happen. Don't hold your breath.
LukesLikeIt 6y ago
Well for the state to win first thing they would have to do is disarm everyone.
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LukesLikeIt 6y ago
Which is smart because categorising information is how our brain functions. It will always be impossible for us to not distinguish these things about each other because of how our brain processes information. We have to understand and teach that there is nothing wrong with being different instead of what they’re feeding us now which is that we are all the same. They know this ideology sows discontent and I believe that’s the point.
lopsidedlucky 6y ago
There will be no revolt. There will only be snap chat, kik and tinder. Those who could revolt now have their circuses and bread. There will be no revolt.
That means you have to win at the game at hand. Not wait for the game to change.
cdhunt6282 6y ago
Not quite. You're correct that most people will not revolt if their needs are met, won't see the purpose in higher ideals if the consumerist society keeps them content with decadence. But a 4GW force gains power congruent to the failures of the state. So things need to get worse. Joe Six-pack and Sally Soccer-mom won't be happy with the way things are if little Jimmy is going to bed hungry every night or grandma can't get her insulin. It's why Hezbollah is so effective: 95% of their money goes towards building schools and helping their people. So the solution isn't to revolt now, especially considering that would be suicide. The solution is to cause as much strain on the government as possible; the Cloward-Piven strategy is an example of this, and then using the weakness of the state to your advantage
Revo_Luzione 6y ago
Your cynical nihilism is not a red pill crisis.
Politics is simply the acquisition of power. It is war by other means. If you do not engage, you're simply surrendering. That's fine, but some of us have more gratitude for those who came before us.
My great grandfathers did not survive the Napoleonic wars, fight and beat the Axis powers, simply to get cucked by modern liberals. Fuck that. Have fun getting cucked because you refuse to stand up. At least you're getting your dick wet. Great. You slayed pussy for a bunch of decades, then died. Cool story bro. What have you left for future generations? What did you contribute while you were here? Nothing? Oh. Great. Congrats on the pussy you got.
News flash: At some point, some men are going to improve enough, have enough muscle mass and enough money, enough easy sex, that they will need other challenges. Developing political power, influencing the narrative, changing history--these are worthy challenges for a man who has ascended the tower.
When you graduate from being an advanced intermediate, or even a low level elite, when you become a true elite level man, when you are in touch with your highest purpose, you may see that changing culture, influencing history, crushing your enemies & hearing the lamentation of their women, is a very, very satisfying goal. More satisfying than continuing to fuck thots, which, at a certain level, becomes pretty much autopilot.
Thanks to u/gaylubeoil for vision and the balls to put it out there. The bit about disguising femininity as radical feminism is fucking genius, and a bit of rhetorical jujitsu that needs to be propagated and emulated.
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This is the kind of rhetoric that can get you killed in this era. But, we live, we die, and the world keeps turning.
IwannaFocus 6y ago
Don't be a sperg that misses the point.....
Following today's politics is pointless because your one little vote won't change anything, it's not nihilism, it's realism.
It won't matter if one is surrendering or not, that is irrelevant in the big picture. What is relevant is that caring about politics will get you absolutely nowhere, until you acquire enough weight to create the changes. Before that happens - IF it does, you are nothing more than a low grade artist, stuck with his hands tied behind his back, with the impossible task of recreating a perfect copy of Michelangelo's ceiling.
If you believe that acquiring power can only be done through politics, then I have truly bad news for you buddy. This ain't the House of Cards, you obviously have seen way too much off. It is real world, and in real world, even politicians bow down before the Money God.
We live in the West, and thus we need to play by the rules of West. This ain't fucking Cuba or Russia, where you can just abuse your political power to gain whatever the fuck you wanna gain. This is a complex system, that at it's core can only be influenced if you posses enough cash in your pocket and a certain understanding of the system, people and current trends.
Graduate from your God Complex before you start talking about influencing history.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
your vote matters as much as the person's next to you in a democratic society. I guess your solution is to throw away democracy and to become a tyrant dictator? All the power to you, good luck. Sounds bad ass.
Revo_Luzione 6y ago
Projection. Lots of that in your reply post, and plenty of straw-men too--If this strawman, if that strawman.
There are plenty of red-pilled men who are moving the needle in the culture wars, shifting hearts & minds. That is shaping history.
And this can be done without a lot of money, with nothing more than a phone & laptop, an internet connection, something to say, and the balls to say it, and the social understanding of how to say it that reaches people.
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IwannaFocus 6y ago
Fine, I'm sorry I hurt your snowflake feelings by apparently using "nihilism", "strawman argumentation" and finally - the most laughable one yet, "projection". I'm also sorry that didn't add "virtue signalling" to this fine concoction of bullshit. But then again, that seems to be your specialty....
Still, go forth comrade! The world is your oyster, because you do have all you need right? A phone, a laptop, internet connection, something to say and finally "balls". Be sure to list how you have a spoon, fork and a plate too - I'm sure those tools will be invaluable in your quest to influence BP world!
ParanoidKasparov 6y ago
The internet is part of what is flipping the board to quote an above comment. The attempts to limit the access of average people to uncensored information is due to controlling elites realization of this. Mainstream news is an easy example of this, they have completely lost control of the narrative on major geopolitical issues both foreign and domestic. Syria and Hillary are the ones that comes easiest to my mind as examples.
Will it be completely successful? No most people are idiots and even the smart ones aren't competent in all areas.
uwey 6y ago
Fuck politic? Really?
You know only the powerful wealthy statues can ever consider to be a politician, the literal door to politic arena only open to money, power, and status.
The best form of power demonstrations is always politic.
lopsidedlucky 6y ago
You need to work with some large companies to understand how the world works. Vast majority of politicians are prostitutes. And they have a pimps. You offer them a deal for what you want and they make it happen. If you pay a whore for a blow job does she have power? Not really, she's just a whore giving you blow job. That's the essence of politics.
You also don't need any of your own money to run for office. You prostitute yourself to the right mix of self-interest groups in the right district and manage to grab 8,000 or less in votes, you're an elected official.
uwey 6y ago
Your way to simplify a complex art is ingenious.
Collateral? Play-time? Minimal buy-in is always a hidden requirement, people simply don't let you in unless you have collateral, and even best blowjob in the world needs a fat lip, slow neck, and no gag reflex. (Power/Status/Money=Networks)
Why do you think Arnold needs to marry a Kenndy?
3d_truth 6y ago
I don't see how making six figures helps. I have so much more money than the girls I date (in bkk). It does not make them horny, it just helps them see you as a provider.
mental_models 6y ago
"abundant sex" is supposed to be the goal
why is your goal "pleasing women"?
3d_truth 6y ago
Good point. But when a girl finds out you have lots of money, I don't think that makes her want to come to your place at midnight. You can't negotiate attraction after all.
menial_optimist 6y ago
Money is only god in the capitalist arena. In the grand scheme, money is just an interim achievement on the road to the real objective: power.
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What's power with no money? that's like being a prince in an African village where your net worth is 15 cattle and 2 dogs.
menial_optimist 6y ago
I know pop culture worships money, but it isn't the end. At the elite level it's simply the means to an end, which is power.
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Outside of pop culture, people still worth money. Money will define if you work during your retirement or relax and take it easy. Money will give you the power to take control of your own life with multiple options.
I've been networking with self made folks and you need money to tap into any type of power.
Pie_021 6y ago
Fucking finally someone gets it. People are retarded to think any politician gives a shit about you. It's all a charade. Voting is a thing to make people think they are making a difference. You aren't. People want better education, health care, pay, better vacation and leave, etc. Are we getting it? No. We are being fed propoganda from the shit box in every living room in America. Stop watching TV and think for yourself.
zyqkvx 6y ago
If voters didn't show up and total participation fell to 20% in distain for the installed parties, new non-insider candidates would appear and jokey for presidency. My point isn't that a new candidate would come and save us. My point is there are people who hate both sides yet press hard for everyone to vote. By voting you aren't voting for either, you are simply voting to keep the two parties installed. With a US population of 350 mil confidence is high that one vote will never break a tie. If the voting system worked (it doesn't) low voter turnout would not be seen as a problem. It would be an indicator as fresh candidates will appear bringing change.
tl;dr Low voter participation could bring the change Obama was talking about.
Pie_021 6y ago
Both parties are retarded. When the cameras are off they are all buddy buddy. They just keep the rivalry alive because Americans love rivalry. From football to your choice of carbonated beverage. Americans love being on a side. Get your head out your ass. We are all people, let's create a society that's not being brainwashed and lied to every single minute.
Step back and see the bigger picture. Then step back again and see how this ties into everything else.
zyqkvx 6y ago
As much as I agree with your statement, by thinking about it exactly like that.. you are trying to implement a fatchance strategy.
refunned 6y ago
I work for a senator and can tell you that’s not true. Propaganda absolutely exists but there are politicians on both sides who actually care.
Right now there are bills waiting to get voted on that would increase funding for education, create a Medicare for all system, increase the minimum wage and guarantee paid leave. The reason why these bills aren’t getting voted on is because the majority party won’t allow it. People need to understand how the political and legislative process works before jumping to lazy conclusions amounting to “the government is evil.”
Kingoffistycuffs 6y ago
And because those bills are literally cancer. What retard doesn’t know that raising the minimum wage and throwing more money at the education system literally makes things worse.
refunned 6y ago
Even if that was true (it’s not) we could do a lot with the money we already spend. For example, we could have paid for free public college with this year’s military spending increase alone.
Kingoffistycuffs 6y ago
And? We can cut all welfare by half, double the military budget put kids though free commie propaganda factory’s and continue to fuck the poor and middle class. Why do stupid reformists always look to college as the answer? Know how we got fucked up K-12? We let gov get it. Know how college is actively getting fucked? Gov loans that can’t have bankruptcy declined. How about we unfuck the school systems by dumping 70% of all federal school funds into charter and trade schools? If this isn’t your education bosses education plan tell him he’s an incompetent hack who couldn’t read himself an electricial print let alone fix a overburdened school system stacked with such incompetency that if it were money could pay off the national debt in 3 weeks.
Pie_021 6y ago
If politicians cared they wouldn't take massive "legal bribes" aka lobbying. Sure there are "good" people in the system, but the system is fundamentally fucked. The American people are dying for a good healthcare system, our education is whack, and salaries have not kept up with inflation. People need to break from the Republican and Democrat mindset. It's a scam.
refunned 6y ago
You’re right, the system is fucked and political donations are essentially legal bribes. We need to reverse Citizens United and ideally create publicly funded campaigns. We also need universal healthcare, a better education system and higher wages. The thing is, all of those bills have been introduced...by Democrats. If Dems had control of Congress and the Presidency we would see them getting passed. There’s still a lot of work to be done, but both parties are far from the same.
corystereo 6y ago
Except, you know, when they did have Congress and the Presidency (2009 - 2011) and they did none of those things. Too busy giving kickbacks to Solyndra and other useless "green companies", I suppose.
Democrats had their chance and did nothing of value. That's why their asses have been getting kicked ever since. As they should be.
beAn0n 6y ago
You are grossly confused about conservative and progressive politics. Conservatives stick to the society controlling factor of religion and religious based morals. Progressives stick to government given rights and moral based on evolution. It is why when liberals talk about 7 year old trans children, conservatives are... you guessed it... CONSERVATIVE to traditional ideas. You’re a fucking dim wit.
Also conservatives embrace individualism which is TRP epitome.
chaseemall 6y ago
Individualism is a lie used by those who wish to distract us from any kind of greatness, in order to hide their own mediocrity. What you're after is individual greatness.
beAn0n 6y ago
Wow. You’ve added nothing. The point was to show that TRP does not teach acceptance theory as found in most communal practices and policies. TRP is most definitely in-line with the right.
chaseemall 6y ago
Dafuq is this? If you take away one thing from this place, take away the fact that unconditional acceptance from anyone other than your mother is a lie. Communal acceptance is a lie. You are accepted for meeting a standard of masculine behavior, and having a certain usefulness. And you'd only want to be accepted by a community if that community had some benefit for you, such as security, allies, business partnerships, etc.
Absolutely. The fact that we uphold standards of fitness, social conduct, and competency makes us right wing. The fact that we uphold hierarchy, both inter- and intra-sexually, makes us right of all major political parties.
The issue that GLO is pointing out is that "conservatives," such as the "marry those sluts" tradcons, are useless whiners, who as so terrified of being called bigots that they lose all efficacy and compromise all principle.
EDIT: Seriously, read the linked article. It's long, but it takes you out of the individualism-collectivism trap that so much of the common discourse falls into. You end up in a new, mediocrity-greatness paradigm which is far more meaningful, and also far more predictive of the actual consequences of political discourse.
goldaxis 6y ago
Complete lack of historical education and knowledge of current affairs. I don’t even know where to begin. Every single word I wrong.
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jimbad05 6y ago
Downvoted. This sub isn't for politics.
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Vincents_keyboard 6y ago
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TheRedPike 6y ago
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Vincents_keyboard 6y ago
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TheRedPike 6y ago
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Vincents_keyboard 6y ago
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AmeriStasi 6y ago
You can say what you will, but demographic data speaks for itself. Conservatism is likely genetic.
Ever since the introduction of mass birth control, and feminism, the liberal birthrate has tanked and is now far below replacement (reducing their population 30%-50% every generation, where as the conservative birthrate is stable, or in a surplus. When you compare liberal vs conservative states, you already see a difference in fertility rates. Given that most conservative states have liberals, and most liberal states have conservatives, one can assume that the divergence when isolating to genetic political bias is even greater.
When you compare traditionally liberal vs conservative groups of people, such as the religious vs the atheists, you see that atheists have sub-replacement fertility rates (thus slowly being eliminated), while the conservatives are a growing population across the board. Religiously unaffiliated sitting around 1.6 births per woman (2.1 as replacement). Christians at 2.6, Muslims at 2.9.
When solely isolating to Jews, and looking at the differences in behavior between Conservative vs Liberal Jews, you see the conservative ones are more likely to be married young, while the conservative orthodox Jews have a fertility rate of 4.1, and irreligious Jews have a fertility rate of 1.5, making them sub-replacement, evolutionary dead-ends.
When looking at the Mormons, we see that they are more likely to be married at a younger age, and have a fertility rate of 3.4, far higher than your average Christian.
Reality doesn't care about your ideology - whether you believe in Marxism, Feminism, Christianity, Islam, or the tenets of the Red Pill. All it cares about is results, and a declining fertility is a sign of a weak group of people with a dark future. If your ideology leads you a sub-replacement fertility rate, how can you argue your ideology is successful. It's successful at weeding out your degenerate genetics from humanity, because you can't critically identify which ideologies benefit your self-interests, and which don't.
What do you think the fertility rate is of these childless idiots I read comments from on this sub, that get vasectomy's and never marry. You'll be gone, and conservative, people with children will replace you. The future looks more like us, and less like you.
Every generation from now, moving forward, will be increasingly conservative. There are likely less liberal genetics in existence in the younger cohort of Americans in 2017, than there were in the young cohort of the 70's, as those childless, feminist, liberal women hit their 40's and see the end of their fertility window... And the liberal men that chose to tie their fate to them are childless alongside them. 25% of German women in their 40's are childless. 20% of American women born between 1962 and 1966 are childless. This childlessness most certainly disproportionately affects liberal parents who are promoting feminism, liberalism, and other degenerate anti-patriarchal ideologies to their children. We're experiencing one of the greatest evolutionary events in modern history, on par with WW2. We're seeing the weak, liberal genetics being completely obliterated from the gene pool, with only patriarchal conservatives being spared. In 3 generations time, you'll basically have everyone selfishly looking out for themselves, with strong in-group preferences. We'll have Conservative Europeans, competing with other Conservative ethnic groups, and an ever-decreasing minority of old, liberals in their 70's and 80's dying alone, with no children to give a fuck about them, in depressing facilities where the state will put sick, soon-to-be-dead, childless, old folks. Feminism has absolutely destroying Liberalism. It's fucking glorious, and worth eating popcorn while cheering from the sideline. The only thing conservatives need to do is prepare for the fall out from the liberals dying off, and inheriting their broken systems. We'll need to form new countries in a few generations time, and restructure society. It's just a matter of a time and a few generations at this point.
chaseemall 6y ago
This is a massive white pill. Saved.
jimbad05 6y ago
Ridiculous fallacy, as you're assuming that the religion of the parents always dictates the religion of the child.
By your logic, religion is an unchanging characteristic like race. You're suggesting that atheists are only born from atheists, christians from christians, etc.
In reality, most of the atheists or otherwise "religiously unaffiliated" were born from religious parents.
privacythrowaway2003 6y ago
You contradicted your point with this sentence.
If your parents were liberal when they had you and were polled, and you were conservative when you had a child and polled, then it supports his point.
We aren't going to end up a race of multiple different skin pigments, eye color, religion, languages and we won't end up with factionized governments and countries.
/u/AmeriStasi is right on the money.
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Reaper5555 6y ago
You forget, their numbers are being bolstered by the illegals that they're bringing over the border. It really is an interesting trap they've found themselves in. In order to truly get rid of guns they have to crack down on the border to keep illegal guns out, but to do that will also shut down the votes they need to get elected. And so theyve confined themselves to an endless circle where they grow through fear and hatred all while not doing a single thing that they say they will.
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Lots of words, very little actually said. Standard operating procedure for GayLubeOil. Really an idiotic post overall.
Merica911 6y ago
This.
I really starting to think the OP likes to construct a bunch of flashy "fuck you and get on my intellect" phrases and try to some what make a post about.....?
The OP writing about socialology on LSD isn't good when you're trying to get your point across
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pezzaperry 6y ago
The problem is the entire basis of his argument is that conservatism is an identity rather than a way of describing someone’s political beliefs. It’s like Americans think if you have certain beliefs you must be lumped into an ideological identity.
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I love GLO he's a hero, but this was not good. It seemed like he wanted to say the conservatives aren't your friends either, and they're not...but it didn't come out well articulated.
But the part about wrestling the narrative brought it back, that was good.
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I agree. I like the idea behind the post but the actual execution isn’t very good.
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Patzer1470 6y ago
You've somehow managed to miss the whole point of OPs post. The left focuses entirely on social issues--by definition. The right refuses to on "principle" or some other sanctimonious garbage.
While the left continue to push their multiculti/cultural marxism down the throat of the west, the right throws their hands up, and claims foul play--usually something along the lines of, "Democrats are the real racists! We here on the right don't subscribe to terms like culture and race, only tax cuts!"
In other words, the right is, in today's political world, the manifestation of the blue pilled, cucked western man. Incapable of orchestrating discourse so it favors him and his interests, and instead capitulating at every turn to an ideology and cultural movement that is intellectually and ethically stunted.
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I agree and it should never become the focus of this sub but there is no denying the parallels between TRP and right wing thinking.
zyqkvx 6y ago
TRP is focused on the masculine and the nature of women. It's an easy layup for conservatives to act like TRP is conservative because most women are liberal. I don't feel that way, and the bombardment of new conservatism, which is just a cartoon version of the old shit conservatism that was already bad. 30 years ago I identified as a conservative loosely, because at least they pushed the vision of taking care of yourself, and not setting people up for sloth by feeding the bears. Now both parties are in it to forge their name and their family linage reputation as close to King Author's as possible, awhile sucking 100s of millions and telling the 99% to fuck off.
Perhaps the best way get a conserve his ways is to ask how he could embrace either side.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
You're whining that conservatives followed their own will to power? That's strictly anti-TRP. And want to know the only way to combat those people, is to engage them politically. But no, follow OPs advice, do nothing and get fucked. Ignore your own will to power, whine that other's have stronger wills than you.
zyqkvx 6y ago
Are you done graveling at my feet insulting me? fuck off
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I’m not talking about the parties though, I’m talking about conservative philosophy.
max_peenor 6y ago
And yet you can't even see it as a warning against blind devotion to a political party to the exclusion of your own imperatives and mission.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
It would be nice if they followed. It would be nice if they read the sidebar.
The only thing I'm. Sure of is coming in here blind. Doesn't stop one from. Running ones. Mouth
max_peenor 6y ago
Did you actually read the post? It's a 10 gauge blast of this to the face and yet somehow you completely miss that.
Rhetoric. Bury that shit.
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max_peenor 6y ago
Nothing. That's the point.
Jesus
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
you're intentionally being a cunt and it's very obvious. Get your pussy douched you might feel better, nobody understand what the fuck your point is. State your claim clearly so I can actually pick it apart.
max_peenor 6y ago
This has a predictable outcome.
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max_peenor 6y ago
Which word confused you?
mental_models 6y ago
don't 'describe' other people's use of effective game
max_peenor 6y ago
Hmm... Opens by identifying natural opposition to TRP. It then suggested a less obvious opposition. It gives examples of how either can be opposition. He then points out why the latter opposition is a problem for others, after which he points out what they are a problem for us. It then revisits the first opposition (progs) and compares the relative danger of the two groups. Finally he prompts a solutions.
Yeah, pretty well structured. Is it the mean words you don't like? DO you need a tampon?
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BIG_HUB 6y ago
The OPs novella is just another example of divide and conquer.
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In what ways is it more complex? How does being the only superpower affect internal politics? Your counterpoint seems to be that in other parts of the world Liberals and Conservatives ARE'NT different, which was already asserted by GLO. How do the factors listed (geography etc) affect a country's politics? Can you elaborate on your point about the Nordic bloc and Germany?
The reason I'm asking all these questions is you've written a lot, but said very little. So far it's been vague statements and (ironically) ad hominem. Can you clarify your position, or are you inanely stating that GLO's wrong because you say so, then throwing around airy sentiments to sound intelligent?
max_peenor 6y ago
So it is the mean words? Why did you fall for that? Hint: that's the exact same reason why GLO wrote his post the way he did.
Your case so far has been you saying you don't like how it is written and objecting to rhetoric. HOW is it naive? What complexity is he missing?
TissueBabies 6y ago
How dare you not address him without insinuating he's a bleeding vag. Why can't you just allow him to break rapport with the context of the post to insert his own frame? Come on dude. You're not playing by his rules. That's not fair.
Seriously, the dude argues like a girl. Likewise we (TRP) should respond by withdrawing attention. Don't feed the animals.
AnonNoDox 6y ago
Clearly, his post refers to conservatism and liberalism as it is practiced in America, a place he likely lives in and knows best. He has no interest, nor an obligation, in assuming a global context while writing about this issue.
His post resonates well with his target audience, a group that certainly does not include over-defensive folk who know not much of America’s political climate or who are unwilling to learn.
If you knew more about America instead of succumbing to your understandable jealousy towards it, you’d find this post much more enlightening and perhaps actionable
NPIF 6y ago
Who TF is jealous of America in 2018? Certainly not Europeans. Your country is a global laughingstock, run by a reality tv star with no qualifications for government and the public speaking ability of a fifth grader. Get over yourself
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Hahaha yet so many people keep begging us, no, raging at us, to let them move here. It's very strange...
NPIF 6y ago
People from so-called "shithole" countries still want to move to the United States because America once represented liberty and justice, a better life, the chance to build a family in a place where all men are created equal. That ideal still means something when you have nothing.
I'm referring to the opinions of those who live in every other developed country. We see America instead for its chronic racism, xenophobia, school shootings and a crumbling educational system. America is where prison is lucrative and healthcare is insufficient. It's a place where profit is preferred over doing the right thing, and a nation where a black man is murdered by police for acknowledging his 2nd amendment rights. Meanwhile white boys shoot up their schools, churches, and movie theaters and live to stand trial for their crimes.
Your system of governance is corrupt. Trump is corrupt. So many Americans justify collecting guns by suggesting they might one day need to rise up against a tyrannical government. I fear those days are closer than we think.
Omnibrad 6y ago
You know what people say when they're jealous?
"I'm totally not jealous."
ThePantsThief 6y ago
No shit. That's the point of the post.
Vrixithalis 6y ago
As an Australian, I have to say the US is more fucked up socially and demographically, but Europe is way more cucked politically.
zyqkvx 6y ago
I've read 'Europe is more cucked' several times in the past and have no idea what that means. Please tell us what cucked means in this context without using another word like cucked. I want to know what point you were making. Do you mean woman's influence on government?
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NPIF 6y ago
"Cucked" has got to be one of the most over used terms on this sub, so much so it's lost any semblance of meaning. Use your words, Kangaroo Jack. What is your actual grievance with EU politics? The social progressivism? The influx of migrants? Speak English, not memes.
LukesLikeIt 6y ago
Let’s remove emotion so we can have a discussion instead of thinly veiled insults.
Vrixithalis 6y ago
"Cucked" has a clear meaning. Are you confused what it is? It seems that the only people who seem to not know what it refers to are cucks.
Also, "progressivism" is a funny word. It's a bit like "diversity".
Western Europe is more politically bluepilled than the US. Eastern Europe is going fine though. Happy now?
NPIF 6y ago
Not really. You didn't answer my question. And cucked, by definition, means a man whose wife is fucking around with his knowledge and consent. Which makes zero sense in a political context.
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Short-changedChad 6y ago
Language evolves. In this case quickly. 2 years ago “Cuck” meant a man whose wife has sex with other men to his knowledge.
Now it is more nuanced and can also refer to someone who counsciously does something they don’t want to do because they are afraid of external repercussion. Conversly it can also refer to someone who is ignorant of their situation- like a cuckold.
Vrixithalis 6y ago
The term has a rather amorphous definition, but I think that it means someone who compromises on their values or "sells-out" what they should hold as important to the "enemy". A conservative might be called a "cuckservative" for compromising right-wing principles to the left.
It basically just means a weak person. It's mostly applied to people who want open borders, or for right-wingers who let the left walk all over them. It's used to degrade someone who doesn't have the presence to prevent his woman from having sex with other men.
The political term "cuck" isn't suggesting that cucks want to be degraded by the left, it is suggesting that they are too weak to stand up to the left the way an actual cuck (not a person who gets off on it) is too weak to stand up to their wife.
gaytheistfedora 6y ago
You're not even jealous of free refills? Or A/C pretty everywhere? Or our incredible interstate highway system?
NPIF 6y ago
Are you genuinely assuming these things only exist in America? Because if you are, you should probably travel abroad for once.
gaytheistfedora 6y ago
Are you genuinely such a angry person that you have to take everything seriously? What I said was a joke. But, since you insist on being a dick about it; I've been to a few European countries and I've actually lived in a South American country for a year and half. The United States is so much better. I find life outside of the USA to be inconvenient. Customer service is atrocious, and I felt like I was being scammed by everyone. Europe and Brazil were just dirty filthy places and the people didn't care at all about how they treated the place that they call home. I take care of where I live and I am proud of it.
NPIF 6y ago
You misconstrue my distaste for arrogance as anger.
gaytheistfedora 6y ago
I didn't say anything about myself being great. I was just talking about the land I live on. People outside of the US talk shit about this country because of the politics and whatever else, but little do they know that what goes on in the news has little to no effect on the average US citizen. I'm happy as shit here, as are most people that live in the US.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
I feel like that last one metaphor went through the roof. Or a chimney.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
I'm surprised how.any people lost their shit at everything but those three statements.
Which we're truly the most provocative
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Well I'm done being cucked by liberals I'd like a new cucker dor the next 4 years
cth1ic_warrior 6y ago
Here is the main thing: the Democrats haven’t won the majority of the white vote since the 1950s. America is a predominantly white nation. The dems realized this was happening and started importing non-white voters from other countries. This is the only reason they win elections now.
Democrats still can’t win on big social issues at the ballot box, because they don’t have winning positions on things like gay marriage, immigration, or abortion. Gay marriage? Decided by the courts. Abortion? Decided by the courts. Read those decisions: they ignore the constitution and make a mockery of it.
Conservatives have all the smartest people on their side: Dana Loesch, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D’Souza, Matt Walsh, Mark Steyn, Stephen Crowder, and so on. Who does the left have?
Trump just won 30 of 50 states. He ran on a pro-life, politically incorrect message and acted like how conservatives used to act before the neo-cons took over in the early 1990s. Trump will also win in 2020.
If immigration can be curbed, conservatives are the future of the west and their only hope.
barkusmuhl 6y ago
Conservative values have largely disappeared in favour of our current experiment in nihilism and hedonism. At this point readopting such values that once served as guiding principles to create more fulfilling lives is no longer maintaining the status quo, it IS change. Conservatism is the new counterculture.
randarrow 6y ago
Conservatism isn't a movement, it doesn't have a plan. It is a mode. It served a function in history, by being an alternative to liberalism, in that it gave other chances to survival. This transcends cultures and religions.
In times of scarcity, war, and disease; conservatism is often the best defense against death. When there were no doctors, and the survival of the community required everyone to breed and be successful, the conservatives may have been only one to survive.
Don't act like it is any more or less wrong than other modes, it simply has it's time.
Ie, in an isolated community of a few hundred people, for a few hundred years, MGTOW/spinsters would destroy them. Failure to breed results in dying out and inbreeding. Polygamy results in inbreeding. Non-kosher food results in parasites. Social strife prevents and chance to survive when everyone has to work. Homosexual men are much more vulnerable to disease, in an age without doctors they would have been miserable and hurt survival of communities.
In a crowded/diverse community, free sex results in veneral disease which might actually kill people.
In many ways, conservatism results in self quarantining and ensures healthy breeding patterns. Which has been necessary at times, and a hindrance at others.
(And of course, liberalism has benefits at times and conservatism has issues at times). But, we're talking Plymouth vs Roanoke vs Coatoan vs Soddom here. Many communities and villages ended up in similar situations over the millenia.
Patzer1470 6y ago
There seems to be a lot of people missing the point here. Your post was not only very clear, but also very well put.
I was hoping as I began reading that you would arrive at the point you did. Namely, that conservatism these days is not effectively "conserving" anything worth conservation. In an ever-increasingly liberal America/West, I have zero desire to "conserve" anything. And this was wonderfully highlighted by you--conservatives lose because, at the end of the day, they have no ideology. Next time you have the chance to talk to a conservative politician or friend, ask him: What is it exactly you are trying to conserve? If he can't answer that, he's a perfect representation of how lost this dying movement really is.
xtsv 6y ago
Fuck me, write a novel next time.
earthmother92 6y ago
I actually agree with you.
Reaper5555 6y ago
Wow I think my eyes started bleeding this post was so aweful. After I finally finished I concluded that the writer finally cried himself to sleep. This is a shitpost that even under liberal standards wouldn't even pass. Get off my feed
pimpineggs 6y ago
I think you meant modern liberalism and progressivism has cucked the USA not conservatism.
Downvoted.
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Fearofthedark88 6y ago
Are we talking about economic outcomes based off political ideology, or the fact that politicians lie? The latter goes without saying.
asapkokeman 6y ago
"At this point a bunch of stoic, logical alfalfas are flipping their shit because I made some bad bad inappropriate jokes"
"So why are conservatives such losers"
"Why have conservatives lost on almost every social issue"
"Their most profound ideas are tax cuts and wars"
"Unlike liberals, conservatives don't have a vision for the future"
I'm not a conservative or a liberal, but you simply don't know your stuff. If you're going to post about politics, be informed or gtfo.
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Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
haha oh man. that was a good one
asapkokeman 6y ago
Is that supposed to impress me? How does it feel to spout off a bunch of BS, get called out, and resort to an appeal to authority to try to maintain frame?
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asapkokeman 6y ago
Where did I not understand the argument? Wasn't the argument that conservatives are pussies? Pretty sure I used logic and fact to show that's not true. Show me where specifically I'm wrong. You're using the fact that most people are uninformed about politics to get upvotes on reddit. I called you out on it and you haven't said anything worthwhile or thought provoking the whole time. Have a good evening
Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
he rarely has the capacity to respond and back up his "arguments". just ignore
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Infernir 6y ago
Politics is garbage and should be ignored until we can replace the system with something good for everyone. Neither side has ever given a shit about me or my family. Idk why everyone acts like its such a big deal I don't vote or ever give a shit about politics. I have my voice, I'll do what I can to make the world a better place MYSELF If I want the world to be a utopia I'll do everything I can myself and with those will follow me, relying on people who don't give a shit about you or me to fix my problems? Yeah right fuck off, no one has ever helped me before and no one will ever help me no matter who I support or vote for, its all a waste of time pointless brainwashing from society.
Ignore all of politics and focus on yourself. You are your own politics, the man you want to be vs the man you don't want to be. The USA is flawed when it naturally rejects the best leaders for the role of Presidency and turns everyone who would even be slightly good away from ever wanting the job.
I am of course talking about those of us who see the truth of life and the reality of everything, the way things actually are. The world works by money, fame, power. How many people can you make like you? It doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you do it and you're old enough you can run for president and win.
We know the rules of the game well, better than anyone else. We can use the rules people naturally follow religiously against them to gain control if we wanted.
fenagel 6y ago
Lol this post was gay as fuck basically saying it’s a good thing a kid that’s 7 years old (who keep in mind are COMPLETELY influenced by others and the outside world NOT there own thoughts and feelings) is “open minded enough” to changing its gender because it’s against the status quo.
Redsqa 6y ago
Hence their name?
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BornShook 6y ago
The liberals who just say and post straight up retarded shit just need to be 100% ignored by everybody. We have been told by the media that we should be focusing on transgenders and feminism. Now they are all over the place. We shouldnt have listened to the msm to begin with and none of this lunacy would have happened. Its all a big distraction to get us all to watch, and it is supposed to stir up debate and piss people off. The media is making money off that shit. Theyre making money on us being divided on everything. Neither side has all the right answers. Just pick a side and stfu about it. If somebody actually cares about transgender rights, ask yourself why do they believe what they believe.
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Revo_Luzione 6y ago
Agreed.
If someone's beliefs and/or genes lead them to want to remove their genes from the gene pool, why would anyone want to stop them? It's like self-deportation, but from the gene pool instead of from the country.
everyone_wins 6y ago
Liberals want to be replaced by brown and black people from developing nations. They are suicidal.
max_peenor 6y ago
It is far from a unifying issue, which is why most GOP executives danced around it as much as possible. The only reason it gets so much airplay is the left uses it as a wedge issue and there is a small but stalwart republican voting block that thinks it is the apex issue. The party gives the latter a pellet from time to time just to shut them up and keep voting, but notice it hasn't changed the law much.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
It usurp female power, so it won't ever be illegal.
Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.
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Interesting post. As a Christian and a conservative - scratch that, libertarian, I have seen much of what you describe over the years. 25 years ago in law school I battled the leftist SJWs. Believe it or not, even back then they were in complete control of the discourse. During a debate over comparable worth(women make 70 cents on the dollar versus men), I was the only person who even had the balls to take other side. My "conservative" debate partner chickened out. I nevertheless proceeded to prove all alone before an audience of ranting feminist and mangina lunatics that their arguments were all lies. Practically got stoned for that one.
Later fell in with some MRAs due to my outrage over the daily violation of men's right in the family court system. But these guys were also a bunch of pathetic cowards. All they ever did was beg for crumbs and grovel at the feet of the feminists.
Don't even get me started on the churches. Talk about a bunch of cucks! So yeah, I feel ya bro, where you're comin' from. Thanks to redpill for educating me about women and getting me into the gym everyday. As my father always used to tell me "talk is cheap".
cdhunt6282 6y ago
Congrats OP, you wrote the only TRP post I've bothered reading in well over a year. Conservatives are just liberals on a 10 year time delay. The best defense is a good offense, and conservatives/reactionaries aren't capable of it. They can only react to their opponents, never attacking back, never defending themselves.
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mental_models 6y ago
An ideology can be mainstream or cultish depending on how esoteric the perspective. It's a spectrum.
~250,000 people agree to employ sexual strategy
~2,500 people agree to emphatically reject the system
It's impossible to avoid, the more esoteric and specific you get. For example a group of like-minded 'libertarian-conservatives' is going to have some cultish aspects.
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mental_models 6y ago
offensive, triggering, radical, rejection
About the only way I can use mainstream norms to justify such an approach is that it works. It's effective to generate views and votes (both up and down) and discussion. It's the OP's prerogative and style.
I don't agree with 100% of what he said, and I don't like 100% of what he said, but I can't honestly recommend that he tone down the offensive, radical tone. He's a lot more effective at this than I am.
PM_ME_UR_NIPS_GURL 6y ago
I can appreciate another viewpoint. But as fun as it is bashing both sides, it really isn't useful to vilify/condemn them and then to stop people from learning from them. Both have valid perspectives and both are crucial to building society. Just as men and women are fundamentally different, they still compliment each other to build a family - the foundation of society. So too applies to left and right wing ideologies. This is the yin and yang of life, and everything. There needs to be balance - excess in one without the other is detrimental.
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Tie5o11 6y ago
This point does not add up. It was Republicans who ended slavery, and Republicans who ushered the civil rights movement. Equal rights under the law is an inherently Conservative principal- as opposed to the liberal principal of tweaking rules to benefit whatever perceived group is the 'victim' at the time.
This notion that Conservatives today would be sitting around owning slaves if it were not for 'liberal rules', is simply not one that is going to be accepted by any rational thinking person who visits this sub.
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chaseemall 6y ago
Hey, if I wanted to keep the coloreds in check, I'd destroy their families and create a welfare state so all they gotta do is twerk on insta and buy my drank. Don't assume the Democrats have changed. They just got creative.
Tie5o11 6y ago
Right, so .01% of the population re-aligned, and that means that all modern Conservatives would be sipping whiskey watching slaves tend to the fields.
GLO- I sincerely enjoy your writing, I am a fan. But this was a ridiculous insinuation. Its left wing identity politics in a different wrapper...
BornShook 6y ago
Democrats could be considered the modern day party of racism in my perspective. They have whackjob SJW's on the forefront to hide the fact, but probably a good percentage of dems are closet racists. Have you ever talked to any non sjw liberals? They will immeadiatly avoid any convo about race. They seem as though they don't want to offend anyone by accidentally slipping their actual opinions. I don't think one party is more "racist" than the other I just believe that there is very little true racism at all anymore.
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It actually occurred earlier, in the 1920s and 30s. Republicans were becoming the party of "Big Business" and alienating urban workers, while the Democrats created the New Deal Coalition to scoop up those voters.
max_peenor 6y ago
Yes, but most of them are natural enemies any way.
The vast majority of big business leaders are hard-core elitist and overtly promote the left. They want a big government funding a big, dumb population that have a never ending teet to suck money therefrom. For ever Koch, I'll find you a half-dozen Zuckerbergs.
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In the modern era sure. The 1920s saw industrialization, "Big Business" was new back then. And sure urban workers are currently the natural enemy of the GOP but previous to 1920 the Republican party was the "liberal" party and the Democrats were "conservative". The business elite you refer to, from what I know of history, didn't become overtly left until the 1960s+ when TV/radio prevalence allowed "big business" to market to your kids securing themselves lifelong clients.
max_peenor 6y ago
Ironically, most of them gave away vast portions of their wealth when they died to charitable causes.
Anyway, big business swerved left-ish as a reaction to the New Deal. When someone puts out a free trough, you are going to mosey your ponies up to it. There is no denying that some of these guys toyed with supporting fascism, but that got put to rest for good by the mid-30s.
Yes, the 60s did forge materialism which then ignited rampant consumption, but business itself was all to happy too let their big friends in Washington give them a helping hand, be it free shit, big contracts or favorable financial positions on the global market thanks to the Fed's new found position of power therein.
1by1is3 6y ago
This a lie that the serfs believe, most people with net worth in several millions, vehemently support right wing governments, because those governments give them tax cuts. They might pretend (or even be) socially liberal but nobody at that level of wealth is voting for leftists, I assure you, unless they directly and demonstrably profit from it.
max_peenor 6y ago
That's hardly the elite. Not even close.
1by1is3 6y ago
That's top 1%, and even in polls the top 1% identify more with the right wing than the left wing when compared to the general population. Billionaires are not going to be voting for Bernie no matter what.
Most people vote for their own interests and what matters to them the most, and the wealthy are no different. It's just happenstance that the wealthy vote for right wing because they are more concerned about paying millions of dollars in taxes, while the serfs vote for the right wing to stop immigrants from competing with them and taking 'their jobs', or to hold on to some form of group identity because that's what they value more than money.
max_peenor 6y ago
Well, I said elite, but ok. 1%. The San Francisco Bay Area where if you can afford to buy a middle class house in a decent neighborhood, you are squarely in the 1%. The vast majority of them vote for the left.
1by1is3 6y ago
You mean they are paying cash for the house or they are mortgaging? We are talking net worth here. People with several millions of dollars in net worth that are ''the elite''. This is not my definition, this is how pretty much everyone defines the ''elite''. Unless you believe in conspiracy cabals of illuminati and jewish bankers and some lame shit like that.
max_peenor 6y ago
There is a huge difference between having a couple million bucks and billions. Huge. A couple million wouldn't even sustain a middle class lifestyle in a decent area in the Bay Area without income. There is a difference between the family that has a couple BMWs and a 2000sqft house and the guy that has a collection of Italian super cars at his 20,000sqft estate.
gay_chickenz 6y ago
This is a pretty pointless post. Conservatives fail because they focus on retarded social issues. BAN THE GAYS. StOP THE TRANSGENDERS FROM THE BATHROOMS. STOP WITH THE DEVILS LETTUCE.
They’re practically caricaturizing themselves. They could easily maintain power by focusing on immigration, welfare reform, and undoing the federal bureaucracy. But they don’t. So they’ll lose in 2018.
bumbuff 6y ago
Your post assumes conservative means traditionalist.
I'm conservative because I am cautious with change and progress, I don't reject it.
I guess it depends on perspective. I might be a true centrist, I don't know, but I don't jump off of a bridge because someone thinks it'll solve current racial issues in localized areas.
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bumbuff 6y ago
I feel that this reply undermines your post. But that may just be my interpretation of what's been written/said.
TheLegionnaire00 6y ago
The american "conservatives" are just as bad as their liberals. Instead I like the polish conservatives, those guys have balls. (PS: I'm not polish but also from Eastern Europe).
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Halitenina 6y ago
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Xevalous 6y ago
All that talk just to finish your statement like a middle school kid. Shameful.
balloutrageous 6y ago
If it makes you feel anybetter, faggylubeoil said these things to me:
He's all emotion, no brain, and acts like he wants a rational argument when in reality he just wants to call you a cuck. Very poor debate skills.
He takes responsibility for what The Donald's become like it's a good thing and he's proud of it, yet bashes conservatives?
The guy can't stop his mental gymnastics
dub121686 6y ago
Must have really gotten to you to spend this much time ranting on the internet about it
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Xevalous 6y ago
Alright buddy have fun with that.
theadj123 6y ago
This is an unstructured rant made to do nothing but shit stir with your edgy attempts at humor that I'm sure work on bitches, but they don't work on someone who applies any sense of logic. I'll bite and refute your claims. I'm sure you'll mock since you don't really give a shit about anyone's reply unless it says "hey GLB I bought one of your shirts", but that's OK.
A core component of conservatism is that people are free to do as they wish as everyone is in control of their own life. If people want to take veiny multicultural dick to all their holes, that is their choice. This is no different than being 'accepting' of LGBT people - I support anyone's right to fall into those categories, but despite what GLB may say I'm not into that. Unlike some Broward County deputy sheriffs recently, we have no duty or requirement to try to act here. Also an Appeal to Emotion, specifically guilt for 'standing by while <taking dicks in holes> happens' - quit shit testing then trying to say you want a logical response.
The Republican party ended slavery and radical communists ended the Czar. You are trying to imply that the status quo is inherently conservative, which is simply not true. I would define the core ideal of conservatism as being able to be in charge of the decisions made in your life for yourself. We obviously make trade-offs in places for that: we limit the power of minors and the mentally handicapped to make their own choices, in the US we have a republic that lets us offload some decisions to others on our behalf, etc. I certainly wouldn't consider an absolute monarchy a conservative form of government, the authoritarian nature of such a regime where the state is one (wo)man and their will is imposed on others directly without checks and balances of any form is the antithesis of conservatism. Such an argument is supported by the Nolan Chart, which specifically deals with those wild swings of authoritarian and libertarian governments that aren't exactly left-right divided. Bringing up Germany is again a poor example as National Socialism is so far into the authoritarian realm as to be the most extreme of right wing governments. Being right wing isn't inherently conservative, especially in such a case where your personal freedoms and choices are curtailed by the state in favor of itself at both an economic and social level.
Agreed, fighting by "their" rules is a good way to lose. Ironic since I'm responding to your blatant shit post, but I argue boredom after getting to work.
Your 'past 100 year' examples are pretty much only post 1970 examples. I would use examples like the Interstate System in the US as a great example of conservative ideas. It put people to work who needed it post WW2, it resolved a national problem (easier military movement across the country on ground), and it greatly increased the ability of the individual to move around on their own. In the modern day you can get to an interstate and travel to any major city in the US pretty damn fast without much hassle. I would also argue that most of the social issues post 1970 that the Republican party (note - I did not say conservatives, just the Republican party) has focused on are due to the change in the party due to Nixon's Southern Strategy. In my opinion this is the downfall of the Republican Party and why Trump has so many supporters right now, he isn't a 100% religiously driven wacko and is pragmatic. You say 'creativity' in liberals just coming up with things like 7 year old transgender kids, I say it's a giant shit test wrapped in an appeal to emotion bow. Logic doesn't care about emotion, so emotional arguments just fall flat. Just because they say something is true, like a chick having a dick, doesn't make it so. Conservatives that argue for banning abortion argue that the unborn has rights, whereas those that want abortion legal say that the already independent female citizen has rights that supercede the unborn's rights. That's a logical pair of statements that have to be evaluated, there's nothing emotional about them. No one's trying to trick anyone into having more babies, any attempt to do that is just another emotional appeal.
Decreasing the need for immigration has nothing to do with women having more babies, you're arguing from the frame of a Democrat by stating that. If we want to maintain some arbitrary growth number we need to do that, however nothing says we need to do that beyond the giant welfare state that Democats have built up in the form of Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, etc. As a conservative I certainly don't believe it's necessary. You state that this is the Hegelian Dialectic, I disagree (and fuck you for reminding me of Phenomenology of Spirit, I hated going through that almost as much as I disliked Kant). The Hegelian Dialectic comes in the form of "here's an argument/problem", "here is a solution", "ok we have a resolution to the problem". Unless you are trying to infer that by forcing someone to start from their frame that Democrats are starting the dialectic with a false argument, I don't see the relation.
Dragon_Garoo 6y ago
On your last point: As the economy automates, there is going to be a huge excess of manual labour in the market. It makes no sense to continually increase birth rates or immigration rates just to replace a population that is being largely served and serviced by mechanized labour and robots/AI. The need for constant expansion is a fallacy, an economy can ebb and flow in near equilibrium, without a constant need for new people to replace 'old buggy whip makers'.
theadj123 6y ago
Again I would argue that Christian conservatives that invaded the Republican party have hijacked conservatism to mean keeping the status quo, specifically on various social issues. The Republican party preserves the status quo, conservatives do not. The status quo is often wrong (for example, our current welfare state is wrong to me so arguing to change it would counter your narrative). Conservatives don't stop trying after they lose, they simply try to apply the rules and logic to everything whereas liberals are most certainly not limited by logic. You see that as losing, I see that as being true to ones self. There are a lot that are definitely dancing to the liberal tune right now, which is why the response to any appeal to emotion on social issues should be responded to just like a shit test as that's what it is. You don't take children seriously (look at TV right now, it's fucking insane that people are being led around by 16 year olds that were doing the Tide Pod Challenge last month), you don't take anyone making emotional appeals on such issues serious either.
I would say the Red Pill is a reaction to the system not being logical, it's not anti conservative. TRP wouldn't exist if liberal insanity on social issues hadn't been injected into our society. People doing what you say - telling others how they can't live - is authoritarianism, not conservatism. This is no different than your slavery and czar example further up. Telling others how to live as if you are in control of their lives is about as anti-conservative as you can get.
max_peenor 6y ago
I quote myself.
The rest of it is pretty pointless, as you are just attacking rhetoric instead of countering the point. So here is your chance.
What is their vision for the future?
theadj123 6y ago
Just because you can see a pattern in the weeds doesn't mean it has structure. He bobs and weaves between making emotional arguments and trying to be logical and reference formal dialogue. He has no solution, merely 'throwing conservatives off the train'.
While I may be straying into No True Scotsman territory, a 'true' conservative vision would be one where people are treated exclusively on their (de)merits without exception. Anyone is free to make their own choices about their lives with as little interference from their government as possible. A person should be taxed fairly and on that which they consume. A person is free to exercise their religion as-is without interference from others, including the government.
Obviously that is a 'pure' vision, it is watered down by human realities. I would say that conservatives in government lacked a true leader for the past 10 years, and it took Donald Trump literally shitting on all of them to get them in some semblance of order. He has a vision that I think is the closest to pure conservatism that we've had for a very long time. It is not by any means perfect or 100% agreeable to anyone but himself, but that's the nature of a Republic and humans in general. Attempting to argue conservatives have no vision right now is rather myopic, try reading some of what the administration is putting out and you'll get a pretty clear picture of what the vision is.
max_peenor 6y ago
That's a Libertarian. Conservatism is a reaction to counter-culture movements, thus the name. The latest version of American Conservatism is a direct reaction to 1960s counter-culture, both the branded LBJ Great Society and the unbranded dirty feel good hippies. It saw its political height during the Reagan years.
I do not consider the "Neocon" bullshit (I fucking hate that name for it) as conservatism. In fact, it was quite the opposite.
Train? What train?
buddahbusted 6y ago
You pretend to be logical, but your ideas on what is "taxed fairly" and "which they consume" are entirely emotional beleifs on your part. There is no rational economic argument you would accept that would disssuade you from your position.
As someone who by birth and natural disposition is as conservative as they come, what made this country great was the progressive taxation of FDR that allowed government revenues the ability to pay for the interstate system.
Libertarian types refuse to see that there is a problem with treating capital and labor as the same. And that the capitalist system is inherently rigged against labor. A trade union is the most red pill thing ever. I respect and admire the titans of industry that mind fuck the country into handing them money. But I'm not one of them. Much better for me if those of us below the top combine forces and make sure that there is some mitigation from the forces of capital (that I don't yet have) accumulate.
Nothing unfair to me that those who beenefit most from society pay the most back. A flat tax is a scam by the rich to rob everyone else.
theadj123 6y ago
Yea I'm not a flat tax/'Fair Tax' (capital letters) person, I also like the progressive income tax system. Having said that, what is 'fair' is entirely subjective anyway. The best you can do is get a significant majority to agree something is fair. I could say the same thing about your positive views on the progressive income tax system, that it's entirely emotional on your part and nothing would dissuade you either.
An example of where there is a lack of taxing based on consumption right now is electric vehicles. The department of transportation is funded by excise taxes on fuel purchases - which an EV doesn't use. So they're not paying the same way others with normal gas/diesel vehicles are paying. Some places are trying to fix that by imposing up front frees and a constant suggestion is mileage based fees.
spectresinthefog 6y ago
But....but.... The dailyshitter said conservatives are more jacked and have bigger dicks than soytards.... shouldn't I be more like them so I can get a prom date????
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Regs2 6y ago
You need to read about the history of democrats-republicans in the US so as not to further embarrass yourself. Here's a good start:
http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/
colovick 6y ago
This is one of the best posts I've read by you. Thank you for this incredible spin piece. I might have to catch up on a few years worth of this is what your content has turned into
disposable_pants 6y ago
What the hell does this post have to do with "Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men"? Not a fucking lot, that's for sure. Get this political shit -- which isn't even thoughtful political shit -- off the sub.
So your argument is that conservatives didn't fight hard enough to support slavery and genocide? And you think this is going to convince people to support a related political movement? That's just disconnected from reality in all sorts of ways.
Conservatives don't lose because of any inherent flaw in their mentality. They lose because they pick stupid-ass hills to die on, like issues that result in massive amounts of human suffering. Those issues are easy to attack and get tougher to defend as time goes on and the discussion about them comes to the forefront. Want to win? Don't let your side waste valuable political capital supporting losing causes like slavery, genocide, or (today) the drug war.
syn1us 6y ago
I like to see TRP as a movement of traditionalists who have realized that our civilization is too fucked to be fixed and who have chosen to follow the path of self-improvement in order to keep standing amid the ruins.
Trvspkt 6y ago
Yes
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 6y ago
The problem with the US republican party is that they regress towards the "left" every decade or so. This election cycle they said gays like Milo are their base voters. Soon it will be pedos. Thats all cool and nice but it demoralizes the country and steals the symbolic significance of the presidency.
Here's a picture of trump waving the LGBT flag
xXxOrcaxXx 6y ago
The Red Pill is the rejection of the system? I got the idea that TRP is embracing the system, but let me elaborate first before getting out the pitchforks. Liberals, or rather the extreme left which governs the daily news nowadays, is hellbent on eliminating every and any responsibility women and any other "suppressed minority" have by tailoring all the rights to them.
Don't like the look that one dude gave you? Call mental rape and drag him in front of something like the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario (You can watch some videos of Jordan Peterson and what he has to say about it if you don't know what shitshow that is)
Unsatisfied with your husband? Just let the marriage break apart and get everything while he gets nothing.
Women nowadays, at least the women TRP is concerned with, have no sense of responsibility. That is why AWALT is a thing. Women cannot resist their inner animal in the search of best dick, that is what TRP tells us. I personally believe that, rather than being unable to resist their inner animal, women have not learned to take responsibility for their inner animal and their actions. That is why we live in the shitshow we are in, but it does also explain why there are some women, those who, for whatever reason, take responsibility for themselves and their actions, can have meaningful relationships.
TRP accepts that fact and embraces it. TRP guidelines can be broken down to this statement: "Women don't take responsibility for themselves, so we won't take responsibility either."
Plating, appealing to the inner animal of the woman, always escalating, not giving a shit if she's in a relationship, never allowing oneself to get nailed down by a woman, jumping ship when you are bored and never ever getting dragged into a long-term relationship are all irresponsible things to do... but effective.
And that is the point. Among other ideologies, such as the Mens Rights Movement, MGTOW and Jordan Peterson preaching taking up responsibility, TRP is an answer to how to deal with the current dilemma. But its answer is to embrace the system, not to reject it. TRP rejects the role the system wants men to be in, but it very much takes advantage of the system. If you want to see what rejection of the system looks like, listen to Jordan Peterson.
max_peenor 6y ago
It is understanding the system exists and is the operating mode for the world around us, but we personally reject participating in it the way they want us to participate.
Make more sense this way?
xXxOrcaxXx 6y ago
That does make more sense and goes along the lines of what I concluded at the end of my statement as well. Thanks for the clarification.
Run_Che 6y ago
Liberals - conservatives.
Vaccine - Antivaccine
Religious - Atheist
I feel people divide opinions and edge closer to opposite sides of the spectrum just to be further away from the people they are disagreeing, and only accomplishing going more and more full retard while doing so.
Usually both sides have good and bad parts, balance is key.
Except for flat earthers. Fuck em.
Rabbit-Punch 6y ago
I don’t believe that you actually know what liberals are conservatives are, but I will keep quiet so you guys can continue LARPing
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It's just the ebb and flow of power. 250 years ago, liberals were the boring ones, conservatives got to run around being disruptive pricks, dumping tea and rioting. Give it another couples centuries and we'll be right back where we started
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Are you trying to say that the American Rebels who wanted Democracy were the Conservatives, and that the British Monarchy was Liberal?
Is Democracy more Conservative than Monarchy?
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If we're defining conservatism as limited government, then yes. The colonists rebelled because of unfair taxes by Parliament, not because they didn't want a king. Read the American and French revolutions compared by Friedrich von gentz, the best translation is by John Quincy Adams
molokomoloko 6y ago
You lost me at “Gaylubeoil”
Trvspkt 6y ago
This is a dumb post. Conservatism keeps liberalism from getting out of control. It sets boundaries and keeps the rules in place until a better more efficient decision can be made. You need both. Liberalism is a big ass societal scale. On one side you have anarchism and the other side you have communism. Conservatism keeps that scale from tipping. Don’t let someone tell you how to think including OP. How about don’t get cucked by hypocrites.
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Trvspkt 6y ago
I have a vision. My vision is a society that is respectful and responsible. Impossible, so I play along and adapt. It’s what got me into TRP. If I can’t fix society I can fix and learn myself and appreciate and learn society.
Work_In_Progress92 6y ago
This is why I never buy into the liberal/conservative garbage. They both like to victimize themselves, just on different matters and issues.
Great post GLO as always.
SILENTSAM69 6y ago
Ah, a breath of fresh air. I had started thinking I was going to have to take TRP lessons, but leave the community as it is too conservative.
I remember someone started a group called TheRedhillRight and thought it was either a step in the wrong direction, or a way to get all the conservatives to go talk that stuff over there. I made a joke saying we should also have TheRedPillLeft.
Obviously TRP should reject the ignorance of seeing things from a premade perspective. You have your perspective. You are an individual.
ProPotFarmer 6y ago
'Conservative' is a meaningless term.... it is supposed to be used as opposed to Progressive and Revolutionary.
Not VS liberal.... nearly all 'conservatives' are CLASSICAL LIBERALS.
Liberals... are simply MARXISTs.
Libertarians piss off both sides because they are the only ones that aren't fucking retarded. Look into it. Stop being a liberal cuck... its just as bad as being a religious cuck.
SILENTSAM69 6y ago
See the real problems is everyone creating new definitions for words that already have definitions. That is fine, as language does evolves, but it does contribute to the confusion.
Liberal is in no way Marxist. Marxists hate Liberals. Liberals are centrist. Marx is deadhead far left. Liberal and Libertarian are very close.
octriathlete 6y ago
Dude you have a very unrealistic perspective of what is going on in the country.
NSFWIssue 6y ago
Ironically he has a perspective based on identity politics, which is firmly in the realm of progressivism. Conservatism is a culture-wide cooperative illusion from which everyone can benefit if they choose to participate. Progressivism is the idea that you can flip over the table and you just might be able to come out on top in the resulting scramble, and if you don't you can just keep trying because all societies are fundamentally run by conservative principles. It's the ideology of rats, and OP's argument is that "rats get what they want" so you should try to be like a rat. (Actually, that's giving progressivism too much credit, because at least rats care for their young)
lardblarg 6y ago
Someone is triggered
Metalageddon 6y ago
I dunno Glo. I enjoy most of your content but this one, not really that thought provoking.
I'm pretty certain the major issue is hyper dogma, any extreme taken to the point of damaging function. Extreme Conservatives are mal-adaptive. Extreme Liberals praise random chaos even in their own engines.
Both are toxic fools, but even a toxic fool can get something right once in a while.
I think I'll stick in my pool, sexual strategy and self improvement. Trp is excellent for both, not politics.
insanestratt 6y ago
I agree. Get back to what it used to be. This is garbage in my opinion. I've read some great things from this guy but this kind of junk is beginning to make me think this place is changing. Especially coming from a senior contributor.
ShadowOfAnIdea 6y ago
The conservative solution is to bundle disapproval of the masturbating homeless man with tax policy that benefits wealthy conservatives.
Using moral issues as an incentive for lower and lower middle class Americans to vote against their own financial best interest is hijacking the narrative.
boxrlvr 6y ago
Gonna be a sad day when we get taxed for masturbation. It could pay off the national debt though.
1by1is3 6y ago
At $1 per fap tax, it would take approx 1000 years to pay off the national debt
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mrjackoldman 6y ago
The enemy of my enemy is a friend, till the common enemy is destroyed. Things change after that.
Enough said.
textualintercourse 6y ago
SJW: "It's my right to cut off my cock and then try to pass a law to force you to fuck me! REEE! | Religious Right: "It's my right to not bake your cake and then try to pass a law for you to not have sex at all unless after you're married and then only for kids! Beta Bux is me! REEE!"
BOTH are selfish fucking ideologies that want to control and legislate how YOU live.
Same coin, same approaches, just different bullshit.
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Religious people are possibly the least intelligent individuals on the planet. Worse than any political party as a whole. They blindly follow their leader and pay money to support fake gods.
textualintercourse 6y ago
Be that as it may, they at least have the concept of a Being more powerful than them instilling fear to guilt them into action about their moralising.
Social fucking dumbass cultural marxist soyboy neckbeard bitch politically weakass Hillary knee fuck pieces of shitstain fuck face bastard pussies have NOTHING, they literally have NOTHING to push their guilt based agenda, and STILL expect people to feel guilt to push their progressive shit. At least the religious have a (fake and myth) God character that at least gives them an excuse for their stupidity. SJW fuck fool pieces of fucking shit antifa goddamn fucks don't even have that...and STILL think you should live how they want.
In hindsight (both are ridiculous) which group is the bigger fool?
anyracetam 6y ago
OMG, this is gold. I laugh all day reading this comment.
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Religious people and libs both have nothing to back their claims and assertions.
buddahbusted 6y ago
The social issues nonsense of the sjw's has nothing to say about the power of progressive economics for all men who are not already at the top of the food chain. I am a libertarian on social issues, but until I am a billionaire I'm voting for democrats. I understand they have their own nonsense but that is what will help MY wallet.
textualintercourse 6y ago
Paying for someone's hormone replacement therapy via theft by taxation will help your wallet?
Makes perfect sense.
The tax cut alone has saved my brother 25k on his business tax. I'm making more as well.
buddahbusted 6y ago
Hormone replacement therapy is not a real fiscal concern when you look at the budget, you bringing it up is a cheap emotional appeal to people overly concerned about such things.
The "tax cut" was just a way to load up the national deficit with a short term payoff to convince the gullible middle classes to accept letting the billionaires and multinational corporations off from paying their due.
If your family is making over $1 million a year, good job. Otherwise ya'll got played. If the science of economics does not fit "red pill" then it is worthless.
You are so focused on bullshit transgender issues that make no real difference to the bottom line, that you don't see that's how the rich pick pockets. And once I'm rich I'd do the same thing, but until then I'm going to fight for the class I'm in rather than the one one I want to be in.
textualintercourse 6y ago
Start a business then and get the permanent aspect of the tax cuts!!! Jesus Christ.
buddahbusted 6y ago
Of course individually as men we should be able to navigate any political or economic event life throws at us.
That does not change the fact that the policy change is currently bad for me, and worrying about the tax policy of future rich me is not rational until I am actually rich. I am for nothing more than rational self interest.
zyqkvx 6y ago
Currently this post has 87 points and 60% upvote. Very controversial. We can crudely infer that about 40% of the forum are conservatives, if I'm not somehow mistaken.
edit: I took the time to average all the faces of down voters together
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Conservatism philosophy is good but the people who represent us in Washington and the media are absolute cuckolds. It’s exactly why Trump is such a breath of fresh air, he’s the first Republican I’ve ever known to punch back at the lunatics.
thetotalpackage7 6y ago
Exactly. I think GLO is correct in his assessment that most conservatives play in the crazy left's frame which is a losing strategy. But Trump re-wrote the playbook on how to deal with crybabies who are used to having their way. He comes out swinging, doesn't play by their rules (or the media's)...and it is making them nuts.
firezenukes 6y ago
Everyone in this thread is literally dumber for reading that.
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
Conservatives and Liberals are like Batman and the Joker. They define each other in the same fictional narrative. If you don't like the narrative why indulge in the content? Problem with the world today is that too many people are immersed in false realities they dislike so by means of their engagement they perpetuate the things they dislike rather than seeking active change.
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I realize this is an old post but I really enjoyed your comment.
yuyevin 6y ago
This is why I’m a libertarian. Too liberal to be a republican, too conservative to be a Democrat
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Auvergnat 6y ago
Then just wait for GLO's troll post about how libertarian are the worst.
TheRedPike 6y ago
And the point of that post will also blow past three quarters of reddit and I'll have a long day of playing Whack-A-Sperg, as everyone gets all vaginal and PMS-y.
I'm going to have to start sending GLO bills for my time.
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BullshittingNonsense 6y ago
Libertarians are the most retarded of them all
factor8_ 6y ago
Pick one. Unless you're talking about social issues. If you knew about American economics under both parties since Reagan you'd see that they're both very much conservative/neoliberal.
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wracky272 6y ago
That would make you a centrist. Do you know what libertarianism is or are you hipster bandwagoning?
yuyevin 6y ago
Ok let me be more specific. I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
Woodie327 6y ago
"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" could be misconstrued as you believe in black lives matter and 68 genders but you think bitcoin is too dangerous of an investment
steini1904 6y ago
bitcoin is a shitty investment.
transaction fees are insane, waiting times even more so. Relying on a algorithm designed to devalue the currency in a few decades tops it all.
The bitcoin market is a ticking time bomb an in order to deterministically trade on it you need to react within time limits shorter than the approval time of your transactions. Unless of course you have enough processing power available to just mine the bloody block on your own
It's playing lotto with the temptation of leverage. I'd rather bet on Russian Roulette with 5 rounds.
boyyouguysaredumb 6y ago
Lol aka the biggest cop out of all time
GeeMunz11 6y ago
Or just a point of view that is so narrow that the major political parties do not pander to it.
Currently neither American party is fiscally conservative. This is just a fact. Both parties are being caricatured by the fringes. Do you really think all conservatives support a Trump agenda? Or all liberals are like these campus feminists? Nah they're just the loudest and most annoying.
KnowBrainer 6y ago
There is enough room between the modern Republican and Democrat for dozens of reasonable political parties.
hrm0894 6y ago
Parties are the result of a countries social, economic issues, and other crisis'. In American history there have been many political parties as a result, some that come to mind: free soil party, Federalists, anti Federalists, democrat-republicans, and Whigs.
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KnowBrainer 6y ago
I had to look that one up.
Reading about strategies of application I see:
Like the MSM continually telling us that broadcasting a mass shooter's identity creates copycats, then they broadcast mass shooters, then push for stricter gun control.
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This is such a red herring. Every political system ultimately ends up this way. Third parties in Parliamentary systems end up forming a coalition government or joining the opposition with the equivalent of their major liberal or conservative party. It's not like these small parties are actually governing anywhere, because they are by definition not very popular.
And the Republicans and Democrats have wings to their parties that do achieve the political diversity that everyone is always bitching about. Republicans for example have the RINO wing, the religious right wing, and the libertarian/tea party wing
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But you are making my point by mentioning Trump and Bernie. They both have significant freedom to operate as they wish and build a following within the framework of the two party system.
A new more populist labor/working class faction of the Republican party won the Presidency in 2016. The tea party won significant power and influence in Congress in 2010. If not for the mind boggling corruption of the DNC the Bernie socialist wing might have won the dem primary in 2016. Historically from the 1960s through around 2000 you had two distinct wings of the democratic party - one more labor focused and traditionalist and one more liberal.
You mention that a far left party in Greece has become popular. But what do you think has happened in America? Over the last 10-15 years lots of far left candidates have won democratic primaries and then seats in Congress, strengthening that faction of the democratic party and moving it further left.
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Can't really make my point any more clearly, but it seems like you aren't getting it.
KnowBrainer 6y ago
Yep. System working as intended: no new entries into the political landscape.
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kick6 6y ago
Conservatives are uncreative losers, but theyre really good at keeping the wheels on things that already exist. You want a liberal to think of new products, and make a company, but a conservative to run it so it doesn't implode.
The problem with conservatives is that they reliably fail to conserve anything. Well, except for liberal progress. Then the libs move the chains. And conservatives begin to conserve that.
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MGTOWMODSSUCK 6y ago
Quality post.
H_Finner 6y ago
Letting a 7-year old decide what gender they are is creative??? Sounds like brainwashing to me, where they are raised to be "whatever they want" and in the future, confused about their sex/gender.
Conservatives don't try to take away the right to have abortions, they take away the right to murder. Isn't that looking towards the future?
I also feel like this is a rant that lost its rails after the first sentence. Geez
chaseemall 6y ago
You're thinking like a sane, moral person. Think like a highly goal directed macchiavellian instead. If you want to destroy hierarchy, what better way than by destroying the categories of male-female by transgendering a 7-year old?
H_Finner 6y ago
But why screw up the kids' mind like that? What kind of confused future would we leave them? No one would know what to call each other, everyone would be 'sensitive' because it wouldn't be 'right' to assume someone's gender by what they look or sound like.
chaseemall 6y ago
Exactly. You warp the people's minds so they have to increasingly rely on your (leftist) institutions so as to not be bigots and know how to conduct themselves with one another. All traditional, community formed rules of morality are thereby superceded by the media and the university. The university now decides morality. The university now decides reality.
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H_Finner 6y ago
PLEASE explain how it is creative to do that not just to an adult, but a CHILD, who doesn't know any better. The suicide rate for any transgender is 41%, it should honestly be classified as a mental illness.
Ok, let's say you raise two different kids; one lives a normal life as a guy until he is 21, obviously old enough to make his own decisions, and the other was raised to be 'whoever they want to be' and is now 21 and completely confused between what is natural and abnormal because his parents couldn't bear the weight of telling him he was a boy all along.
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H_Finner 6y ago
So I could say bombing the entire subway system in New York is creative? It's never been done before right? I just don't understand how it can be 'creative' to confuse a growing human being on what is natural and unnatural. Thanks
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H_Finner 6y ago
Please get your facts straight next time you post and don't make the thread about what you make up in your mind about 'evil' conservatives.
Political knowledge is key, otherwise you really don't know how to serve your own interests.
chaseemall 6y ago
What the hell do you mean we can't win by opposing the liberals on x, then once x passes, accepting x as hallowed tenet of conservatism? What are you saying? That we're cucks? How dare you! When opposing women's suffrage was the right thing to do, we opposed it. But once it was clear that Women's suffrage was in keeping with conservative principles we accepted it. And when we let Reagan ban machine guns and allow no-fault divorce and amnesty for illegals, those were conservative positions, and don't you dare criticize him for it! And we might have been the first ones to propose Obamacare, but when it came time to oppose it, we did! But of course we couldn't repeal it when it came time. It was the status quo once it passed. After all, we're conservatives and we conserve the status quo, whatever the hell it might be.
SoundHearing 6y ago
Conservatives lie, liberals are two-faced. Trp at its best is critical thinking and the scientific method, at it's worst it's hate-fuelled whining. The ONLY way to get a head is to think for yourself and build a healthy network of allies and collaborators. Fight for the truth and human decency will inevitably come out of the fight.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
wow there is no one flawless political ideology, you're taking your first baby steps to enlightenment!
Son0fSun 6y ago
One of the best analysis and commentaries I’ve read in many years.
OP is absolutely right. You don’t win against soyboys, social justice zealots and radical feminists or anyone else for that matter by arguing with them. You win by giving them ideas then telling them they were their own.
Case in point: hijabs and Islamic female clothing wear rules. Feminists call them ‘liberating,’ when they are simply putting women where the Islamic world wants them.
bazingabrickfists 6y ago
And that is exactly why conservatism is a train worth riding, to counter the radical left degeneracy. Once the balance of power is corrected then we can sit back a bit.
zyqkvx 6y ago
..then show them an enemy who disagrees so they brainwash themselves as they debate.
FullMetalAsshole 6y ago
GLO is right. Part of the problem is the Anglo bias towards systemization and rigid processes. Look into any non AngloGermanic country in the world and you'll see that people tend to be much more flexible in their approach to problem solving. Just look at corruption. Largely economically motivated. If you're a poor shmuck being underpaid to be a paper pusher that bribe starts looking mighty nice. Ask any immigrant and they'll say the US is retardedly rigid and that the people in general lack imagination.
Couple this situation with some of them good old Ashkenazi intelligence genetics and now you know why ze Juden run the SJW power hour. Growing up in a chaotic culture and having the intelligence to take advantage of it will do that. The counter example would literally be the entire continent of Africa.
chaseemall 6y ago
That lack of amoral imagination is better called ethics, and it is the reason that Anglo-Germanic societies have a high degree of trust. That high degree of trust is why the place economically flourishes.
FullMetalAsshole 6y ago
For sure. Any culture that has that rigid systemization will dominate economically. I'd wager that's why Asians are the highest earning immigrant group pretty well wherever they go. They also lack imagination though. If China was that creative they wouldn't have to jack patents. That lack of amoral imagination is called intellectual property theft.
While there may be a slightly lower level of trust within the group if you're in a chaotic place there is a higher level of trust when compared to other groups. For example if I'm an immigrant in the US I may have a slight distrust within my group but I sure as shit trust my people more than Americans.
This is why uncontrolled immigration lowers trust in a society and lowers social cohesion. Homogenous societies would have less social ills.
Dragon_Garoo 6y ago
The USA thrived on Intellectual Property theft in the early days; it was well known in Canada and there were laws against obtaining books from the USA because they were breaking copyright and essentially bootleg versions of original works. That ethos in the USA pervaded into other pursuits of science and technology, which led to the innovations and breakthroughs. Today, it's China imitating the USA's industrial revolution and well, it's working. The US has become the IP masters trying to hold on to all the knowledge and monetize the information, whereas it was Britain in the past that had the innovations and sold them throughout the Empire for vast sums. It was mercantilism at it's core. Funny, I never until just now thought about how the IP aspect of mercantilism worked. :-)
Here's an example: http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/
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I get you, civic nationalism which conservatives put forward is weird, since it is essentially a form of cucking. You're putting people of different kin together and saying they're indistinguishable to gently lubricate that Globalisation dick for your sweet Swedish asshole.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
I don't agree with this, when I was in my mid 20's I used to oppose conservatives since I was railing hundreds of chicks instead of getting married, but I have been opposing liberals too.
I'm from Europe so maybe the situation here is slightly different but a certain degree of inaccuracy might be tolerated.
The difference between the two is that conservatives want to turn into a slave on a minimum wage, liberals want to turn you into a slave to female imperative and if you're lucky you'll score a 5 with a real vagina.
I've always been a lone wolf, the only way of breaking free of the role society casts upon you is to be socially disobeying.
Now this being said, Milo's been doing a great job trying to dismantle politically correctness there are people in my country with MBA's whose applications get discarded just to hire some extracommunitarian without a valid degree who can't even speak the language for the sake of "diversity", imo that's the main problem to tackle.
TheGoldenPepe 6y ago
Milo isn't who you think he is. I'd suggest watching Squatting Slav.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
Thanks for the tip, I found a YouTube channel are you talking about that one?
TheGoldenPepe 6y ago
Yes
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It's great post.
People tend to attach themselves to something, it could be political parties, religion or atheism. I understand you are trying to remove their ego induced imaginary identities but these identities give people sense of fake power.
And standing alone is scary.
What you want to give them?
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RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
And indeed I oppose them both, but right now I think dismantling the politically correct narrative is of paramount importance, this doesn't mean that we should follow conservatism but it may be a good trick up our sleeve. Let's be honest TRPer's despite being more educated than the average (or at least this is my perception) tend to speak their minds and women tend to appreciate it. So getting rid of PC is a good thing for one could be fired for cracking the wrong joke in the work place by a BP manager.
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IMO the climax of the politically correct narrative has already died, it was apparent when Trump was elected that the narrative as a movement has lost steam. However this may be more of American thing, as I know Europe is generally even more left-leaning so perhaps it's still happening over there. Granted I live in a "conservative" area, most people I meet are "tired" of PC.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
Hopefully we'll reach that point too.
Self-honest 6y ago
Funny because it's true.
LOL. And...
That's the perfect reason to split a country into liberals and conservatives. Imaginative retards leading the charge on one side, unimaginative retards leading the charge on the other. Everybody loses.
Great point.
A tactic we should all learn to use.
And it's hilarious that liberals don't absolutely love TRP. To be conservative or progressive, the system is that reference point. TRP is the unplugging from the system. It's literally the most "progressive" thing you can do.
Go on...
Fucking right. Perfect metaphor.
Last night I told this girl she was way too reactionary. She said, if she is reactionary, then I am the exact opposite. She looked it up.
Reactionary definition: Conservative.
Reactionary antonyms: Liberal, progressive, radical, open-minded.
She's right.
If the conservatives are too liberal, then I would say the liberals are too conservative. If conservatives (lower down the chain), are always in the liberal frame; then liberals (conservative in comparison to TRP) and conservatives will always be in the Red Pill frame.
Not to mention that we're talking about actual reality versus whatever world they all think they live in.
Edit: added personal anecdote
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
Good post. People assume red pill ideology is conservative by nature, I applaud you challenging being dogmatic about political orientation.
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Fearofthedark88 6y ago
You’re relying on ad hominem to support your argument. Leftists don’t aim to make people dependent. They recognize our economic system creates a system of winners and losers, and want to make sure that opportunity is available to all, not just the wealthy elite.
Its the entire notion of the American Dream, in a nutshell. Without policies to protect workers and the public from unethical business practices, We’d be seeing working conditions not unlike what we had in the 1800’s. Work 16 hours a day, unsafe conditions, pollution that was dumped into the environment which contaminates the food supply, not to mention abysmally low wages that did not even allow workers to build wealth or even be out of poverty.
Basically, leftists fight against the system trying to stop you from buying your own fucking boots, not to have someone else pull those straps up for you.
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nomansapenguin 6y ago
Equality of outcome from a “similar input”.
You can reasonably predict how wealthy a person will be based on the wealth of their grandparents. You hear so many conservatives talking about working hard, but hard work has a negligible impact on financial success.
Leftists’ favour meritocracy way more than conservatives pretend to.
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
Leftism =/= marxism
Haven’t you heard the phrase “pull yourself up by you bootstraps”? It’s at the core of conservative ideology. Its a noble Idea, something all should aspire to, however this assumes everyone has equality of opportunity.
factor8_ 6y ago
I would argue that being progressive (on economics) is the most red pill ideology. Helping those who are weaker than yourself rather than shitting on them to boost your ego.
killking72 6y ago
How is giving people free shit RP?
factor8_ 6y ago
Helping people who are less fortunate than you is the most alpha thing you can do tbh. Plus public healthcare and education is good economics, but this isn't the place to have that argument.
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
Personally, I agree. Healthier and more educated people tend to earn more money, and therefore have more disposable income to put into the economy.
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
That is definitely an oversimplification of what progressive policies aim to do.
Omnibrad 6y ago
Nobody cares what they aim to do. We only care what they actually do.
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
I could say the same about conservative policies as well. Reality is, there is some truth to both ideologies.
Omnibrad 6y ago
Bullshit. Neither side is telling you the truth. "The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" - you won't find this in politics.
Fearofthedark88 6y ago
Exactly. This is why you need to read between the lines and inform yourself.
Reality is much more nuanced than black or white thinking.
Omnibrad 6y ago
You are bullshitting yourself.
There is NO truth from EITHER ideology. It’s not about nuance. When you give testimony in court they don’t ask for the nuanced truth.
blackedoutfast 6y ago
great post. LOL at how everyone is getting triggered
GoGetting 6y ago
The issue is in the name. When all you try to do is conserve the way things are, while the other side keeps swinging the wrecking ball, things obviously can't get better. You're just trying to conserve an increasingly shit thing.
So if you want to actually revert things, I'm sure there's a better term.
Auvergnat 6y ago
Dude, that purplepilldebate post is gold! You need to post it here. It's hardly trolling, in fact.
fromthecrypt8 6y ago
What’s the difference between gay lube oil and regular lube oil?
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hibloodstevia 6y ago
So, is this become a shill sub now?
chaseemall 6y ago
He's criticizing weakling conservatives, no different from the way Trump has been criticizing weakling conservatives.
max_peenor 6y ago
Welp, this should kick off another Sperg-A-Thon.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
This gon be good. Got any popcorn?
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whatsthisgarg 6y ago
This is definitely in the top 3 of your best, and I'm seeing 90% of commenters are a bunch of triggered cuckservatives foaming at the mouth with ad hominems and red herrings halfway up their butts, doing their darnedest to help you confirm your point.
Holy cow, 300+ Sperglenders in their Batman suit with a hole cut in the crotch so they can masturbate to how much you misunderstand conservatism lolololol
While they're doing that you can be annexing the Spergdeutschland.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
Lmfao, where are the red herrings and ad hominems? They are all in the OP and your comment. You're entire argument is "duhhh, conservatives are red necks and spergs duuuh xD". State your claim and make an actual argument so I can embarrass you in front of everyone. Of course you won't because you're a cunt xD
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hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
Bro the only person regurgitating propaganda is you. TRP parallels with conservatism more than liberalism, so you end up seeing more conservatives here than not and that gets you buttmad for some reason.
School teaches the exact opposite of conservative ideology, that's how we all know you're full of shit. Conservatism isn't the side of the spectrum calling masculinity "toxic", it's the left.
Is that your entire argument? You sound like a mental patient my dude. Go kill yourself. Point out the problems with conservatism, present to me in a respectful way, and let's take it one at a time instead of
Patriarchysaurus 6y ago
Borat: "This pill is red not"
I hope we can all appreciate that we are noping the fuck out of the matrix while we're having this meeting from within it; like flies discussing how best to avoid spiders while stuck in the (world wide) web.
Luckyluke23 6y ago
what you forget in today identity politics are is. if you are FOR something, then that means your against it.
half the time it's not true.
Kafkaevsky 6y ago
You are absolutely correct. I may agree with conservatives but I can just see why they loose. They have never known how to get the upper hand when dealing with liberals.
UbermenschVII 6y ago
Thank you for this analysis and examples as to how societal progression (or in our case, regression) takes place. I've always wanted to do something with my life that builds a sound foundation for those that come after me so that we can achieve unimaginable dreams, yet being a young, white, straight male it seems like the whole world is against me since I don't fit into the narrative. I still don't understand how Marxism/Liberalism has hijacked history and is now able to lead us down a path to ruin. I want to become someone who is not afraid to challenge the illogical and immoral path that we seem to be taking but it seems like there is little opportunity. Like you said about idealogue conservatives who have conceded on every point and still dance to the tune of the liberal agenda... I don't want to live my life for me and die in 60 years without at least trying to cure the Brain-AIDS that is infecting our society. I don't know how to do it, and part of me doesn't think it's possible considering that the progressive left owns the media, language and minds of Americans willing to destroy what our ancestors worked so incredibly hard to achieve.
iwasbornred 6y ago
Fiscal conservatism is a good thing. It means less taxes on productive members of society.
Social conservatism just makes you really easy to make fun of.
Toussant 6y ago
There's an understanding in politics: Young and not liberal, no heart. Old and not conservative, no brain.
The liberal platform is of socialist decay.
Libertarian is the way to go.
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Toussant 6y ago
You are describing the liberal sanctuary city open borders bs. That's not libertarian. If in a swing state, you'd be better off voting conservative.
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Toussant 6y ago
"ran the Donald" what does this mean?
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Toussant 6y ago
Not sure why you deleted your other reply but you just expressed disgust at a core liberal position that props their votes (as you should) and took the conservative view. What's really going on with this post?
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wertrax 6y ago
Pretty obvious if you ask me, anyone who reads the sidebar (especially the misandry bubble) knows that most of the bluepill chivalry shit came from conservative loosers that only can consent to sjw at some point.
Auphor_Phaksache 6y ago
I hate TRP because I love it so much. When you keep what is useful and disregard what isn't, this place truly is golden. Unfortunately a lot of in-fighting about what is useful to who. Read and apply whats needed to your situation. This is structure not scripture.
evoblade 6y ago
This really puts so many of my thoughts into a succinct package that I couldn’t articulate, that I I don’t know where to start.
Niphilim83 6y ago
A breath of fresh air in this otherwise so NRAtrumpturd filled subreddit..
Neo_Trunks 6y ago
What an intellectual contribution.
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A much needed one.