So, I've been seeing this girl for a couple of weeks. I already got a whiff of her ASD (anti-slut defense) the first night we banged, after she told me about eight times that we are not having sex. She gave no physical resistance and I went with, "of course not," and then played a game where I showed her what all the bases are until we hit home plate.
She cried a lot when I made her come that night and told me that it was so intense partially because she hadn't had sex in about a year. Immediately, I knew this was bullshit, but I don't give a shit and why fuck up a pretty young pull that is easily plateable?
Last night, she's upset because her friends, whom I've hung out with a few times, were giving her grief because they saw us making out. Apparently, she boned a dude in her friend group a little over a month ago and now he's sad because she rejected him after they did it.
I guess drama ensued and she complains about it when she comes to my place. To her, I say simply that other people don't own you and you aren't responsible for their emotions. Inside, I'm laughing at her remarkably chubby little hamster wheezing on its wheel. She told me that, "I didn't count sex with [my friend] because I didn't come. Sex with you is real."
She also claims to not do one night stands, but only fucked this dude once. Sounds like a ONS to me! Anyway, I'm really glad I spin plates and AWALT, guys. TRP is the best and has made me more of a man about these situations with women.
TL;DR, girls lie to themselves and others about their sexuality. It's a hard-wired response to protect their ego.
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Lay count formula: Men/3 Women*3
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Haha. I've heard it as /2 and x2, but yours is probably more true for the times we live in.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
haha... the classic "it didn't count".
For women reality isn't what happened, it's what you can persuade people happened.
Oh no, they're not lying to themselves. They're only lying to you.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Mmmm. I think there is some nuance to this. Lying is not so simple. People can convince themselves of their lies overtime. Generally, I agree, but there is often an element of self-deception in ASD.
Entropy-7 5y ago
I use the term "ret-con" to describe the way women will reinvent hostory.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
There really isn't.
She says "no sex for a year", knowing that the guy will hear it as "no sex" while also having the cover ready and it turns out to mean "no sex THAT COUNTS".
She knows it's a lie and that's why she phrased it as such. She didn't say "no sex that counts" because that's not the impression she wants to give.
She wants to say something that will be interpreted in a certain way, and there's a convoluted reason why she can pretend it's not a lie (because she didn't cum. or so she says).
Next time a girl answers this (rarely, I don't ask), I'm going to say "and how many more that didn't count?"
CyberGremlin 5y ago
If you've ever been in a LTR with someone, this happens all of the time. I'll hear my wife recounting events to friends and family that are sometimes wildly different than what happened, but that's the way she remembers them. As long as the perception of events paints me in a better light, I let it slide. Why stop her when she loves making me look good?
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
"As long as the perception of events paints me in a better light, I let it slide."
I like this rule. My last LTR was respectful most of the time, and I made sure to teach her early on that I won't tolerate shit-talking or negative portrayals of any sort.
room_303 5y ago
She told you she orgasm-ed with you as a way of manipulating you.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Lolwut? You can often feel when a girl cums, you know.
room_303 5y ago
That's called kegals and A class acting.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I meant from the fluids, but whatever, dude. I'm just gonna keep fucking....
room_303 5y ago
Yes wetness means something is going right, but squirting is just her urinating.
zelyios 5y ago
I like your post but I just wanna say that we all lie as human. Many people lie.
All humans, when the reality is not conform to expectations, tend to lie.
Now regarding this girl she has the hamster and she lied to herself.
She is taking advantage of this. Fairly bad.
AWALT is not a good answer to this. Please don't assume there is nothing to do.
We should take responsibility to raise the level of consciousness when we see this.
Whatever your reaction is, emotions shouldn't play, but they will because you're angry / pissed-off/ judging at her behavior.
Just observe these emotions and they will transform your perception.
Not all people lie the same way. As you acknowledge this girl behavior and call AWALT, you're tricking yourself into despair/ endless complaining/ judging all women/ removing any possibility of trust for future relationships.
Just accept that reality doesn't necessarily go your way and stop resisting. Just accept what you see and move on !
The next girl will definitely be different.
I hope this message helped. I've seen too much AWALT lately.
Lib3rtarianSocialist 5y ago
HALT - Humans are like that.
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AlfredKinsey 5y ago
A lot of comments are misinterpreting an anecdote for being butthurt.
Also, AWALT
zelyios 5y ago
All insert anything that you don't understand here are like that
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I think you guys are on the wrong subreddit.
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Mr-Ed209 5y ago
'because she hadn't had sex in about a year'
Translation: This is obviously total BS, but I hope you realise I'm acting 'pure' because I want you as a long term partner.
Self-honest 5y ago
They do lie. It's not subconscious. It's a choice. They aren't fucking robots. They lie to benefit themselves. They lie because so many guys want to hear the lies. It's self preservation that's hardwired.
Laugh at it, but it gets old if you're spending time with a big ol bucket of red flags. Good advice for a ONS/plate and avoiding low value women.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Also, I'm using hardwired informally to mean "genetically determined or compelled."
Self-honest 5y ago
Genetically compelled to lie? We all are I suppose.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
This is what I mean by ego.
YngWn 5y ago
Lying aside they have a hard time keeping promises. There's also the situations in which they victimize themselves, don't do as they've said. You can never trust a girl's word or expect her to keep promises. How'd you react in such situations?
Self-honest 5y ago
Gave her enough rope to hang herself, then calmly moved out and cut all contact.
Self-honest 5y ago
Cool. I just wanted to clarify that it's a conscious decision. They want to appear to have no agency, but they call their own shots.
Kindredvodka 5y ago
What a wonderful world it would be to have plausible deniability. When any kind of crtiticism or consequence falls on their head. It was never their fault/decision in the first place.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Exactly, dude. Also worth noting that this is not something you can or should fix in a woman.
Amused mastery and self worth are the best tools for navigating these deceitful maneuvers.
NormalAndy 5y ago
This. Noting and laughing off her childishness is the best way to show her it doesn’t work on you. She’ll stop it or go find some beta to control instead.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Just like children, only more complex. Actually the hamster is a sign that she knows deep down exactly what all happened. She's just in denial and projection to keep that load off her head. The thing is it is not so much as just lying as actually convincing herself that it's not her fault.
I was just seeing a popular celebrity's twitter in the news where she writes "X and Y didn't commit suicide. Depression killed them".
Having said that, it's the job of the masculine to put a limiter on a woman's emotions and ego, or else she'll destroy herself and others around her down the road. This can become an ego addiction just like Netflix.
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Amphibole_ 5y ago
Hmm I'm not sure if either of these will occur unless something major happens, pushing many more men towards TRP.
Now these do assume that BP men are more likely to have BP kids. My basis for this is that many of them are just too ignorant to be convinced or too stupid to question what women are actually like (especially required support), and the heritability of these traits. It may have a small effect over few generation, but over many, there could be a huge shift in the kinds of people around, for the worse.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
This is true, I think, and 1 is the best answer for everybody. I'm not saying its perfect, but let's work with what we've got. Enjoy the decline, right?
So, I notice that girls drop a lot of this bullshit behavior because I really don't give a fuck and that makes them feel comfortable sharing more that might get them shamed elsewhere.
Proposals like 2 are dubious to me, because I think some pathological behaviors are not simply genetic, so a resurgence would occur despite any sort of "final solution" scenario.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
This is why I don't think of women as lying. They don't lie.
They convince themselves and then they deeply believe their version of events and history that allows them to perceive themselves as whatever they want to be perceived as. Then when they tell you something false, it's not a lie to them because they actually believe it.
Obviously we know it's a lie if we're smart - if you have the experience to read women, and you are humble enough to realize that regardless of your SMV (or even because of your SMV), bitches will be smart about it... then you can catch them. But it's only possible to catch the smart bitches if you understand how they lie. They don't lie to your face, they lie to themselves and then they tell the hamsterified truth to you - and generally they actually feel its true.
This is their preferred method of lying - they will tell a straight up lie if it will help them, but generally their preference is to let the wheels spin until they are deluded themselves. It's how you lie more convincingly - people cannot tell if you're lying, but they can sniff out if you believe what you're saying.
The best way to sniff out a girls RMV is to make her comfortable, get her to share in a no-judgment vibe, like straight up I'll tell a girl I think she's a badass for having a threesome with 2 dudes and we'll share some of the shit we did. Get that fun vibe, that "damn girl you a pimp" vibe and she feels validated by opening up herself to you. Then of course, you do what's necessary with the info, slut zone her appropriately.
This is the Gatsby move - in the Great Gatsby there's that line where the narrator says when Gatsby smiles at him, it's like Gatsby is letting Nick know that he indeed sees Nick as Nick wants to be seen, and he sees the best possible impression of Nick, as though he approves and validates the way Nick wants to present himself, not the reality of who Nick is. This is the power of validation - you give her a little, make her feel cool, make her feel like she's presenting herself exactly the way she wants to be seen in her head. A rebel, an individual, a boss bitch, a shy nerdy noncomformist, a sex-positive feminist, whatever it is.
The truth always comes out. Unfortunately there's no carfax for these hoes, you can't take out a ho disclosure like you can on a house. But the next best thing is to observe what she does when she thinks being honest will get your validation.
tanlkula 5y ago
While this is a mechanism coded into all women, a LOT of men do this too. Especially betas and the children of single mothers. These so called 'men' bend truth to match their emotions and desires. Thus avoiding any internal or external confliction.
"Uh bro it was raining and I went to bed late anyway bro. I couldn't go to the gym." Motherfucker you could go. You're lying to yourself and you justify it with bullshit excuses. I went to the gym with zero sleep. You won't tell people you just didn't want to go in fear of losing respect but its the excuses that make you a pussy. The same exact trait seen on women. Stay red.
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AlfredKinsey 5y ago
This is my attitude all the way and part of the female psychology I was trying to point out in my post. In her mind, she DID NOT have sex. To quote her, "I mean, I got him off and he fucked me, but it didn't feel like sex to me."
Notice the emphasis on FEELINGS over facts in her mind. I'm so far past judging women harshly for this stuff, but a lot of men just don't know that this is common thinking and behavior in the female population. I think it's worthwhile to use such information to decide the role of women in your life, but not to make emotional attacks against their character.
I'm stealing "slut zone" for personal use.
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Sumshot 5y ago
Very well described. That is why actions count more than words and logic should always be applied.
For instance in OPs case applying logic as in consistency rules means, why did the sex with the girls last guy didn't count? Because she didn't come. Now, what about coming multiple times or screaming loud? Could there be a sane reason why it would only count when she comes multiple times or screams load compared to coming only once / or not screaming? If no, then there's also no reason to assume that there is a sane reason for her "only coming counts" argument.
And by that logic she is not-counting things without a sane reason. So you can safely assume that there has probably been more opportunities she does not count.
Well, in this case it might be obvious because we mostly know about women and how the behave when it comes to be honest about her past sexual life. But the same logic applies to everything else she says, which makes it valuable.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Haha, such a male way to evaluate it:
Okay, so if no orgasms = 0 sex, then multiple orgasms = >1 sex. Goofy.
immibis 5y ago
Here I was expecting to read something about lying with Autism Spectrum Disorder.
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zealanderx 5y ago
Yyyyuuuuup.
The more "innocent" the more bad.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I don't think this is the best rule of thumb.
TheRealJesusChristus 5y ago
Yeah youre right, but tbh this sounds like she is telling you her problems with other guys, in other words shes pulling you into her drama. I mean it does sound like that what you write, but maybe Im wrong.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
It's absolutely what she is doing! This is why I was dismissive about it.
This is why plates are nice, though. Spinning options makes it easy to remain fully detached from this drama.
TheRealJesusChristus 5y ago
Ok, didnt come really off like you being dismissive. But well, you try to make a point so it may seemed like as if the point was the middle point of your life even though it propably isnt.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
My point is just that ASD and LMR are RP truths about women and that, after awhile of dating women and being RP aware, it becomes so obvious that you can often sniff out and manage these behaviors long before the truth is revealed.
This should be empowering for straight men. LMR? If she's naked in bed with you and saying you aren't having sex, she's lying! ASD? She says she's not a slut, but she'll definitely be a slut for you if you play your cards right.
Ezaar 5y ago
I am considering to think that women who show this behavior don’t know much about their sexuality and themselves in general.
Once they are found to be on their heels, they have to defend themselves socially. Other social programming would also have it not be their fault. It’s tough to say what is hardwired or learned.
I would hope that learning can be applied irrespective of genders, and then used to analyze respective of genders.
Men and women are fed stuff and things aren’t explicit or demonstrated for their respective genders.
The hamster in men and women seem to spin the most viciously with out understanding of where they are in nature and time while existing. Lack of investigation enhances the vicious spin.
indigo-rain 5y ago
Most people, women included, do not really spend much time trying to know and understand themselves. In a way, it is discouraged and punished in society. If you know yourself, you stand up for what you want. You get shit-tested. Not everyone can handle it. The expense comes as potential isolation and rejection. Not everyone can handle that. I have found more men working on themselves in this manner that I have found women. Women in today's society so relational, that to risk isolation and rejection is going to destroy what they believe their identity to be. That hamster is running from death.
nebder 5y ago
Rollo - War Brides
Ezaar 5y ago
I have suspected it to be a survival mechanism. But to recalibrate what was useful in the past, for both genders, might be needed.
But the constant is the social punishment.
You could also say that standing up for yourself is not really good for the ones who do the controlling.
Good points.
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AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Why? Name a guy you know who puts up significant LMR (last minute resistance) when it is obvious that he's getting laid. Name a guy you know who is as duplicitous about his sexuality.
Men don't need to do this. I can't condone this kumbaya, whiteknight, men-and-women-are-the-same lie that you are perpetuating.
Of course men and women are the same in some ways, but I'm talking about distinct, easily observable differences in behavior.
There are plenty of sl00ts who "know about their sexuality" and still do this. It's about protecting yourself from social and psychological consequences, not ignorance.
Eat the red bean! Why are you on this sub if you're arguing instead of learning about sexual strategy for men?
Sumshot 5y ago
Actually, I did this. More than once. The reason for me was that I was worried about performing in bed and also lying to myself thinking that if I am special and only have sex with my dreamgirl she will be faithful and fate will be good to me. Hard to imagine? Maybe, but being BP does crazy stuff to ones brain.
Lib3rtarianSocialist 5y ago
This is true actually. BP me thought I'm not fucking anybody except a unicorn.
Entropy-7 5y ago
I've done this only twice over the last 30 years and both times it was with an HB3-4 who was throwing herself at me. I find it hard to imagine any normal guy putting up LMR if things are going swimmingly with an HB 7 unless he is married or something.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Okay, but 50-dicks Sally is still putting up LMR at age 35.
Sweet anecdote about being BPed, but I'm here to generalize because that is more useful, thinking statistically.
Sumshot 5y ago
In general you are right :) I didn't want to question that.
nebder 5y ago
Take that chip off your shoulder internet tough guy
You don’t want an echo chamber. You want a place where men can swap notes. Commentor you’re attacking raises valid lines of thought. Social programming is insidious and seeps into every human being. Women are fed all kinds of shit from society like girl power, equality, wait to have kids now when you can do it later then society neglects to forewarn of the major upcoming splat yadda yadda. It goes against their nature and they have trouble reconciling society’s imposition vs what they think and feel. Social programming a la blue pill attacks men in a similar fashion. Watch a 5-6 yr old boy and you can see that these boys have natural “alpha” qualities that society beats out of them as they age and get manipulated. What’s great for society is not often optimal for the individual.
Men and women are human first and foremost. There’s about a 80% overlap in baseline behavior. One of TRP’s aspects is about understanding the differences between men and women’s behavior and thought processes for that last 20% unique to their gender. Then you can learn to capitalize on those differences to achieve your sexual strategy goals. Understand your enemy to defeat them soundly.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I'm agree that aspects of female duplicity are socially programmed, but the origin of the behavior is moot. I'm only talking about the behavior itself, not the complex tapestry of civilization that lies behind it.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Wait wait wait... So on trp, we're going to have people claiming that ASD and LMR are not primarily female behaviors? That's crazy to me.
I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, and I know that this is somewhat against da rules, but these arguments you guys are advance seem out of place here and not in the spirit of trp. I'm just saying that this girl told an obvious lie about her sexual past and it was obvious.
The lesson is to not fully trust what anyone tells you and spin plates to make drama less impactful with one of them. All this talk about how people have similarities is not relevant to a discussion about sexual strategy for straight men.
I'm not talking about who's fault it is, just that this is the real shit in modern human sexual relationships. Many inexperienced guys don't know or appreciate how common these behaviors are. That's the point of sharing these stories, to arm other men with knowledge.
You and Ezaar are speaking way to broadly and philosophically for my taste.
Also, I'm going to bet that your Pareto distribution of sex differences is not backed by scientific studies. Regardless, many of the similarities are not germane to my post. Everybody poops, but that information won't help me pull girls.
nebder 5y ago
My man you’re not wrong in your core message of actions over words yet you’re just repeating TRP 101 because you now have some actual experience with TRP success. You can expand your line of thinking to the next level and add notes that other men will find useful. Your post did spark some interesting conversations so it has value. I found your attack on the commentor that sparked my response in poor taste and small minded. It showed unwillingness to think and analyze to me.
Your perspective comes from a lack of life experience. You’re a young man in college. That’s great you’re in a position now to have a better understanding of sexuality and its strategy when you can fully capitalize on it. You also haven’t lived as much life as many other men wiser and more experienced than you. You’re also not old enough to have a fully developed pre frontal cortex that is responsible for long term planning, risk assessment and other handy shit to old people. Humans as a species needs its young men to be risk takers that pull off crazy shit and its older men to keep shit together. It’s actually a really neat system, life is crazy how that shit works out.
The beginner reacts to the play in front of him. The experienced plan out moves and countermoves for a number of situations. Understanding cause and effect allows you to plan better. If your opponent always does X because Y, then you can influence the opponent by forcing or stifling Y. You’re saying who gives a fuck about Y just manage X. It’s short term thinking. Take it to the next level.
Understanding societal programming allows you to introspect and determine if your thoughts and actions come from your code and values vs what society wants you to be. You can then break the programming.
Tough love time- this bitch is so far up in your head you wrote this up about her behaviors. This dumb shit from her is chick 101. You’re trying to play it down but I read it as this bitch is managing to pull you into her drama. I’m a fan of blackdragon and his theories on drama management and alpha 2.0. Its worth checking out man.
I get the sense that your pendulum is at the overcompensating portion of its journey where you’re trying to be this superchad alpha caricature and it hasn’t come back to its state of equilibrium. Learn a little more, experience a little more and you’ll settle into your skin better.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I think you might not understand me very well. I'm 28, so my prefrontal cortex is as good as its gonna get. Also, we subscribe to many of the same ideas. A subscriber for 6 years now, I come here to share experiences for the benefit of other men, not because I'm complaining about a plate.
I did think and analyse Ezaars reply and it smacks of MGTOW, white knighting, and esoteric shit that isn't very useful to sexual strategy...in my humble opinion. Some of his comments are also nearly unintelligible to an English speaker.
Can you break down the X and Y strategy? It was a little abstract for me to actually apply it in whatever way you believe I ought to.
nebder 5y ago
Skimmed post history and saw the shit about your nutsack biking experience with your age and details. Caught college not the 28 part. Your brains as grown as it’s gonna get my man. I made assumptions on incorrect information.
My daughter is a fucking bitch to get up in the morning (X) when she doesn’t get the right sleep (Y). Managing Y means I don’t deal with X. I could let her sleep whenever and deal with the ruckus every morning. Fuck that.
Bitches love drama and will fight, argue and do dumb shit (X) when allowed to do so (Y). Setting enforceable boundaries and consequences (softnext) means I don’t deal with drama on a case by case basis by fighting it out when they get the urge. I set expectations early (hey I don’t do disrespect or drama beyond that you’re a grown woman who should do what you think is right) Instead I softnext once and the message is thats not happening is heard loud and clear. I’m not young enough or latin to get off on the drama any more.
Deal with the effect when it comes up or prevent the cause. If you want the effect then you force the cause.
RandomReeditUser 5y ago
What's he's babbling about isn't MGTOW, that much is for sure.
Ezaar 5y ago
It’s an idea generated through behavior mechanism considered through history with the use of technology. We have a better grasp of how things work now more so than ever, so the question I was posing is how much of this is innate and if it can be changed when considering genders.
Pushing past our natural dispositions to achieve a greater result with what we’ve created as humans with technology.
It’s easy to assume no responsibility right now and save it for later. But the chaining starts in the present. If we’re programmed by nature and we understand our nature, that means we can program ourselves to be better people respective of genders. That is asking for a lot though, and some one mentioned in another comment the consequences behind owning your shit.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
If you don't know, this reply makes very little sense. I assume you're not a native English speaker.
Ezaar 5y ago
You’d assume wrong.
That’s the raw idea with out refinement of any kind. It pulls from a few sources and considerations.
I do apologize for not getting the point across clearer, the idea is a bit messy as a whole.
Edit: to me the message is there and in particular is held in the word choice. It’s even available in the posts across the red pill topics. I have been told to use more plain language in the past, but I can’t help and see those words fit the description. Further analysis of my reply indicates a bit of a ramble of my own organization. Thanks for allowing me to improve.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Idk, just edit your posts a bit, especially if you want to wax philosophical. Clarity will strengthen your rhetoric.
Ezaar 5y ago
Thanks.
It’s tough because what I see is a combination of many things, and posts like yours, and from, others enhance an overall idea that is prevalent through our historical interaction with technology and science.
With out much of the leg work done by an individual, it’s difficult to see what is “there”.
Your post and a few others like it does beg a question into cultivating a mindset for both genders, especially if we have the ability to. But I’d chalk that one up to resources and discernment.
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Sumshot 5y ago
So she said that sex with you is real. But did she also say "This one counts". I guess not. ;)
But don't ask her, you will just force her to lie about it.
Entropy-7 5y ago
I once walked in on a bunch of women lamenting about how hight their n-counts were. So I said "but if it wasn't good, then it doesn't count." All their faces instantly lit up. I can't believe I was able to say that with a straight face, but it seemed to make their day.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Way to play the cool guy there.
Entropy-7 5y ago
Just flirting as none of them were prospects.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Don't take the quotes too seriously, I'm paraphrasing pillow talk and using punctuation to make a smoother story.
ozaku7 5y ago
Sounds to me more like you are fucking some low-grade women. Yes, ofcourse women will lie about their sexual past and partners, because it's an easy thing to do to prevent a ton of bullshit coming from another insecure guy.
You don't have to have babies with every woman you date. Enjoy your life, forget about her sexual past, as long as you satisfy her and she satisfies you very well because another woman will come anyway. I'd rather have a slut who is a beast with bed as a wife than a virgin that can't find my dick. Worrying about the amount of dicks she had is pointless and unnecessarily time and energy consuming, and only for bluepill virgins who believe in sex after marriage.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Where in my post does it sound like I'm worried or trying to lock this girl down? I'm just reporting.
ozaku7 5y ago
You make a big deal about her sexual past. Yes, she will lie, because men tend to be irrational babies over it. So what do you do to not deal with that stupid shit? Simply lie, and your life is easier.
And here you are, being a little crybaby, the ultimate reason why she lies in the first place.
wild_deer_man 5y ago
This is not AWALT.
The fact that women communicate through emotions does not mean they have absolutely no clue to the actual content of what they say. Saying "I didn't cum so it is not real sex" is something no woman with a shred of self respect or intelligence would say.
Not all girls are as retarded as the one you describe. It is purely your problem of not having standards.
Maybe this kind of "logic" is more common to American girls...
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Of course, this girl's justification is specific, but my claim of AWALT is about irrational justification and ASD in general. It could just as easily have been, "I was drunk", "it didn't last very long", "I feel like I was raped", "I was young and crazy at the time, " "I was on vacation", whatever.
FWIW, this girl is very confident and intelligent. Even cool smart ones do this stuff.