Lay count formula: Men/3 Women*3

She told me that, "I didn't count sex with [my friend] because I didn't come. Sex with you is real."

haha... the classic "it didn't count".

For women reality isn't what happened, it's what you can persuade people happened.

TL;DR, girls lie to themselves and others about their sexuality. It's a hard-wired response to protect their ego.

Oh no, they're not lying to themselves. They're only lying to you.

If you've ever been in a LTR with someone, this happens all of the time. I'll hear my wife recounting events to friends and family that are sometimes wildly different than what happened, but that's the way she remembers them. As long as the perception of events paints me in a better light, I let it slide. Why stop her when she loves making me look good?

She told you she orgasm-ed with you as a way of manipulating you.

I like your post but I just wanna say that we all lie as human. Many people lie.

All humans, when the reality is not conform to expectations, tend to lie.

Now regarding this girl she has the hamster and she lied to herself.

She is taking advantage of this. Fairly bad.

AWALT is not a good answer to this. Please don't assume there is nothing to do.

We should take responsibility to raise the level of consciousness when we see this.

Whatever your reaction is, emotions shouldn't play, but they will because you're angry / pissed-off/ judging at her behavior.

Just observe these emotions and they will transform your perception.

Not all people lie the same way. As you acknowledge this girl behavior and call AWALT, you're tricking yourself into despair/ endless complaining/ judging all women/ removing any possibility of trust for future relationships.

Just accept that reality doesn't necessarily go your way and stop resisting. Just accept what you see and move on !

The next girl will definitely be different.

I hope this message helped. I've seen too much AWALT lately.

'because she hadn't had sex in about a year'

Translation: This is obviously total BS, but I hope you realise I'm acting 'pure' because I want you as a long term partner.

girls lie to themselves and others about their sexuality. It's a hardwired response to protect their ego.

They do lie. It's not subconscious. It's a choice. They aren't fucking robots. They lie to benefit themselves. They lie because so many guys want to hear the lies. It's self preservation that's hardwired.

Laugh at it, but it gets old if you're spending time with a big ol bucket of red flags. Good advice for a ONS/plate and avoiding low value women.

Just like children, only more complex. Actually the hamster is a sign that she knows deep down exactly what all happened. She's just in denial and projection to keep that load off her head. The thing is it is not so much as just lying as actually convincing herself that it's not her fault.

I was just seeing a popular celebrity's twitter in the news where she writes "X and Y didn't commit suicide. Depression killed them".

Having said that, it's the job of the masculine to put a limiter on a woman's emotions and ego, or else she'll destroy herself and others around her down the road. This can become an ego addiction just like Netflix.

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This is why I don't think of women as lying. They don't lie.

They convince themselves and then they deeply believe their version of events and history that allows them to perceive themselves as whatever they want to be perceived as. Then when they tell you something false, it's not a lie to them because they actually believe it.

Obviously we know it's a lie if we're smart - if you have the experience to read women, and you are humble enough to realize that regardless of your SMV (or even because of your SMV), bitches will be smart about it... then you can catch them. But it's only possible to catch the smart bitches if you understand how they lie. They don't lie to your face, they lie to themselves and then they tell the hamsterified truth to you - and generally they actually feel its true.

This is their preferred method of lying - they will tell a straight up lie if it will help them, but generally their preference is to let the wheels spin until they are deluded themselves. It's how you lie more convincingly - people cannot tell if you're lying, but they can sniff out if you believe what you're saying.

The best way to sniff out a girls RMV is to make her comfortable, get her to share in a no-judgment vibe, like straight up I'll tell a girl I think she's a badass for having a threesome with 2 dudes and we'll share some of the shit we did. Get that fun vibe, that "damn girl you a pimp" vibe and she feels validated by opening up herself to you. Then of course, you do what's necessary with the info, slut zone her appropriately.

This is the Gatsby move - in the Great Gatsby there's that line where the narrator says when Gatsby smiles at him, it's like Gatsby is letting Nick know that he indeed sees Nick as Nick wants to be seen, and he sees the best possible impression of Nick, as though he approves and validates the way Nick wants to present himself, not the reality of who Nick is. This is the power of validation - you give her a little, make her feel cool, make her feel like she's presenting herself exactly the way she wants to be seen in her head. A rebel, an individual, a boss bitch, a shy nerdy noncomformist, a sex-positive feminist, whatever it is.

The truth always comes out. Unfortunately there's no carfax for these hoes, you can't take out a ho disclosure like you can on a house. But the next best thing is to observe what she does when she thinks being honest will get your validation.

Here I was expecting to read something about lying with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Yyyyuuuuup.

The more "innocent" the more bad.

Yeah youre right, but tbh this sounds like she is telling you her problems with other guys, in other words shes pulling you into her drama. I mean it does sound like that what you write, but maybe Im wrong.

I am considering to think that women who show this behavior don’t know much about their sexuality and themselves in general.

Once they are found to be on their heels, they have to defend themselves socially. Other social programming would also have it not be their fault. It’s tough to say what is hardwired or learned.

I would hope that learning can be applied irrespective of genders, and then used to analyze respective of genders.

Men and women are fed stuff and things aren’t explicit or demonstrated for their respective genders.

The hamster in men and women seem to spin the most viciously with out understanding of where they are in nature and time while existing. Lack of investigation enhances the vicious spin.

So she said that sex with you is real. But did she also say "This one counts". I guess not. ;)

But don't ask her, you will just force her to lie about it.

Sounds to me more like you are fucking some low-grade women. Yes, ofcourse women will lie about their sexual past and partners, because it's an easy thing to do to prevent a ton of bullshit coming from another insecure guy.

You don't have to have babies with every woman you date. Enjoy your life, forget about her sexual past, as long as you satisfy her and she satisfies you very well because another woman will come anyway. I'd rather have a slut who is a beast with bed as a wife than a virgin that can't find my dick. Worrying about the amount of dicks she had is pointless and unnecessarily time and energy consuming, and only for bluepill virgins who believe in sex after marriage.