http://archive.today/5njIw (archive courtesy of SRD. Thanks guys!)
This one's a fun one.
To establish a timeline, the OP is 31, with her husband being 34. They've 'known each other' for five years (whatever that means) and been married for two. That places their marriage at when she was 29, and them 'knowing each other' when she was 26. The events of this tale occur more than ten years prior, so somewhere between 18-21.
A married woman from /r/relationships is at a friend's birthday party with her husband. Her husband, while talking to another of her female friends, discovers that she "used to engage in threesomes with [her then-boyfriend] and his male roommate. Probably 12-15 in total, but all my husband knows is that it was 'more than once'." It comes out later in the comments that these threesomes were under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It's unclear if the husband knows about that aspect.
Hubby is not happy at all. He's refusing to sleep in the same bed and is avoiding conversation. He says he feels repulsed by the sight of her.
Our heroine's view is that -- oh, fuck it. I'm just gonna quote her.
College was a totally different time in my life. I was drinking every weekend, doing recreational drugs every month, partying, having casual flings - just like everyone else at that age. It was a hedonistic "live for today" lifestyle that I thankfully grew out of. I look back on those years with a lot of regrets, and not just about my sex life. I mean, it was 10+ years ago. I'm a totally different person now.
I know I'm not a good person for keeping this from him, so please don't lecture me. It was a chapter of my life I'd thought I'd closed for good. It was my ONE secret, and I honestly debated telling him about it but came to the conclusion that no positive outcome could come from it.
Fearing a divorce over something that happened ten years ago, our heroine to pursue the advice of /r/relationships.
Now, the interesting thing is what happens next, and the mix of advice.
While, as regulars here might expect, there is a fair bit of shaming of the husband for not leaving the past in the past, there are also attempts at understanding (but not legitimising) his feelings.
People tentatively suggest that maybe her past is his business, against the common line that 'the past is the past' and that she's 'a different woman'.
The practice of hiding it is questioned, but ultimately legitimised. Peculiarly, promiscuity both exists in a state where it's nothing to be ashamed of and also acceptable to avoid mentioning. The reasoning given by some is that he never asked that specific question. Ultimately blame falls to her friend for telling him. Again, this highlights an odd disconnect. Somehow his pain at finding out about something she did is due to the informer, as opposed to the actor. Seems to be a case of shoot-the-messenger.
The top comment strikes on something interesting, suggesting that her husband's upset would be acceptable if he discovered it when other people were talking about it. In other words, it's acknowledged that being with someone promiscuous is detrimental to his reputation.
In particular, a common line of questioning by commenters is about their married sex life, thinking that he might be indignant about denied pleasures. (Answer: pretty good, but she won't let him come on her face or do anal. No word on whether the threesomes included it.)
There's even a distinctly red-pill comment that mentioned the carousel by name.
Overall, it's the /r/relationships we know and love, where the woman can do no wrong and the man should love unconditionally. But there's definitely dissent.
The RP perspective is painfully obvious. It's the usual tale of a woman riding the CC during college, then settling down with an older, established guy as she approaches the wall. OP realises that her actions signal her unsuitability, so she conceals them. This change of heart, of course, only happened later on, as the friend was well aware of her promiscuity. As the husband cranks the dread to DEFCON 1, she acknowledges her actions and tries to find the best way to avoid displeasing him further.
Hamstering is abound in the comments, as OP's situation is a stark reminder that they face the same fate. They try to convince her that she did nothing wrong and that in fact she's the victim here, of an oppressive, insecure husband. Some suggest cutting him loose entirely, while others suggest a carefully patronising apology, not for her actions or for hiding it, but for how he feels. A 'sorry you feel this way' apology.
It seems the advice can be boiled down to two different approaches, each helpfully symbolised by coloured medication.
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Criticise him for feeling what he does in an attempt to override his disgust at her with shame. Ideally, he'll apologise for his judgemental behaviour and go back to being a loving husband. This would, in effect, be force feeding him the blue pill.
- Attempt to distance herself from the actions by assuring him that she's a different person now. This is closer to taking the approach of the red pill, essentially trying to prove to him that the actions don't impinge on her current value.
The disharmony and paradoxes in the comments represent the clash of these approaches. The former argues that there's nothing wrong with what she did, whereas the second acknowledges it. OP is much more likely to take the latter approach, because her views thus far have been in-line with it, in that she feels guilt and blames the friend for telling (and thus lowering her SMV).
That's my analysis, but I'd like to hear others'.
nubswag 10y ago
So I'm confused. Would it be logical and alright for her to accept that what she did was wrong and that she is different now? For example, before I found trp I partied a lot and did drugs. Now that I am on a focused path in my life I am sober with the exception of psychedelics two to three times per year. If someone found out about my past, wouldn't it be okay for me to argue I am a different person now? For I am. Thanks guys.
BlackHeart89 10y ago
At first, I mis-read the original post, thinking it was her ex boyfriend who told. I was super pissed, thinking why would he do some faggot shit like that. But then I realized it was a female friend who did it. I'm highly positive that it wasn't an accident.
I understand where the husband is coming from. He was probably lead to believe she didn't get down like that. But then surprise surprise. I would be upset too if I married someone I didn't expect would be fucking like that. The only good note is that it was with her then boy-friend (See RP? Some guys really do enjoy sharing their women. "It ain't no fun if the homies can't get some")
I don't think she did anything wrong. She just fucked around. Shit happens. I also don't believe she should have at any point, volunteered her sexual escapades. I wouldn't walk up to a chick I'm dating and say, "Hey. Just so you know. I fucked, this latino chick, her sister, and one of her friends. Plus I had a threesome with this red head and blonde. oh yeah. and there was this one time I got head from this fat bitch. She had a pretty face though, so it was cool".
In regards to it being in her past, I'm sure she believes that. You know... Because she's married now. She wouldn't do that. UNLESS, the husband brought up the offer. Then it would be in her present.
All in all, only the friend fucked up. And possibly the wife if she manipulated the guy into thinking she was all pure and what not. Either way, she would be wise to suck up to him.
Remember fellas. Assume every chick is a whore until you're convinced otherwise.
TeflonDon3000 10y ago
Update on the situation:
He got a divorce.
LOUD CHEERS ERUPT FROM TRP COMMUNITY
despoticVeracity 10y ago
Thanks for this. A shame the second thread didn't get archived.
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CaioSlater 10y ago
What I hate the most is people saying "you dind nuffin wrung". Ok, most of men nowadays don't mind it, but it's something I'd demand to know about the woman I'll marry BEFORE sealing it. I mean, If I avoided doing that when I was younger, it means it's a life style I've chosen to live with, I have the right to chose the person I'll live "the rest of my life" with by their lifestyle chosen "now" and back then (the "now" is really doubted since once you're into something, I don't think you'll be no longer into it for real). It wasn't fair at all hiding something like that from the men she "loves". And I really hope she doesn't usually refuses doing the things she used to do with her ex('s), cause it'd be f*cking up with the man she "loves" to the point she will refuse getting facial, doing anal and etc. (sorry for the confusing text, raging text from a guy who's not american is dangerous)
TheFastCat 10y ago
OP provides a very thoughtful analysis - well done. I hope to see more of your posts!
CrimsonDeep 10y ago
Bitches that value (western) college like it is some milestone of achievement in their life usually are not the the kind of chicks I go after for long term relationships.
IF You ride the carousel, you stay on the carousel. I'm not gonna be your omega bitch hero and get you off of it.
fatalcharm 10y ago
I don't know how bad things are in America, but in Australia most people who go to college/university while living with their parent's, rather than living on campus. Yes, on weekends they might head to town and visit the bars and clubs but it certainly isn't the wild parties with threesoms and orgies that they have in America. Even then, you have your parents on your back about how you should be staying home and studying on a saturday night instead of heading into town (if you have strict parents) so I don't think that's a fair assumption to make about all westerners.
[deleted] 10y ago
As if your country isn't full of sluts going to bars, getting drunk, and fucking random dudes all the time. They're everywhere bud. Especially western countries.
fatalcharm 10y ago
Of course, it is Australia after all. Plenty of drunk sluts here. However they are not the kind of girls who go to university.
p3ndulum 10y ago
I killed a man yesterday, but don't worry, that's in the past. I'm a different person now and better because of it.
Luscious_Fox 10y ago
I see what you're saying but try not to invoke the slippery slope argument. It dilutes the strength of our arguments.
p3ndulum 10y ago
The logic is still the same, no?
thedude122487 10y ago
It's not a slippery slope argument because they're both past actions that might affect your S/O's decision to stay with you, which is why you owe it to them to be honest and tell the truth. The severity of those actions and the amount of time passed is absolutely irrelevant.
Luscious_Fox 10y ago
So If I had 1 threesome 15 years ago and deeply regretted it is the same as murdering someone yesterday or having 15, 10 years ago?
thedude122487 10y ago
No, they're not the same; they're analagous.
MGHOW_ATL 10y ago
Not the same, but old indiscretions are a part of one's character and make-up. Maybe you would not commit murder or cheat TODAY, but you did once, and that is a part of who you are. Doubling down by lying about it or concealing it is more evidence of character, and is more recent -- more telling about whether you still are that person or not.
Threesomes ain't illegal like murder, but they both are out of the norm and deserve acknowledgment in a relationship.
For fucknchuck no one cares. If she wants to have my attention for more than a night it better not have been diluted by too much past indiscretion.
NakorZ 10y ago
If it affects your S/O on the same level, then yes.
Bottled_Void 10y ago
Reality check here:
They met when she was 26. If she's an 8+, did he really expect her to be saving herself for the perfect man?
She had a boyfriend that was into threesomes with his roommate, he's acting like she was going to swingers parties every weekend. It probably boils down to, "You did [this] with another man but you won't with me."
If that's the deal-breaker and she's not worth it, fuck it, launch the nukes. Personally, I think he's trying to pick up a bargaining chip.
cover20 10y ago
He didn't try to pick up that bargaining chip, it was thrown in his face.
tropicalpolevaulting 10y ago
Should have fucking told him before they got really serious/when marriage came up for discussion. I'm pretty sure the dude wouldn't have taken it this hard if it had come up way earlier into the relationship.
cover20 10y ago
He might have dumped her, but then she would be younger trying again on the market. Oh well she took her chances, that's how the cookie crumbles. Men certainly are affected by luck and circumstance too.
DetectiveDing-Daaahh 10y ago
"threesomes". Hah! She can't even bring herself to say it. She got gangbanged . Her 'then-boyfriend' saw her for who she was/is, hence having no qualms about letting his roommate use her as a human fleshlight.
sailorJery 10y ago
haha I bet she even wore a white dress when she got married
el_chief 10y ago
If Whitezilla and Lexington Steele put her on the spit roast, would they be touching dicks?
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
What is Quality in a woman?
It's when a women accepts you as her Captain and is skilled in the Art of Charm in SERVING your needs while trying to manipulate things to go her way.
Women that ride the Cock Carousel actually learn the wrong lesson.
Typically all these hookups require is a young sweet smelling Vagina. Once that asset depreciates the importance of female Game (Charm) goes up.
The highest Quality women don't waste years riding the Cock Carousel because they are already stepping up their Game and Charming high value males with the hopes of securing a LTR or marriage.
So while it's "possible" that a woman will wise up, it's actually unlikely.
The odds are the woman has very little Charm and probably Shit Tests and Comfort Tests on a regular basis. If the guy is Beta he just thinks it's normal.
You would have to know what she is like from another persons perspective.
cover20 10y ago
She's 31 now. They've known each other 5 years. When they met she was a hot 26 year old, and he's staying with her now somewhat out of loyalty. (2 years of marriage and no kids, maybe they've been trying, it is a bit of a problem actually in that case and a clue to her reduced fertility.)
Now it turns out this former hottie lied to him and based on that he provided for her. And so he has a reason to back out and start over.
Hope he sticks with it and dumps her. Doesn't sound like she respects him anyway.
NilacTheGrim 10y ago
He may be better off dumping her but we men get caught up in relationships too and it feels like the end of the world when we have to end it. Also, it's a pretty fucked up reason to end it. He may feel like he's being a draconian jerk. It's darned hard to walk away sometimes, even if we know it's in our best interest.
I will put my money on the fact that there are other frustrations he has with her right now in the present. Finding out she was doing 3somes just was a culminating point for him.
If I had the most amazing loving woman next to me that really understood and cared about me deeply and I did the same about her -- I am not sure I'd get THAT fired up about her having done 3somes in the past. I'd figure out a way to let is slide. Hell, I've done 3somes in the past too. And even worse.
But I bet you that dude is already pretty frustrated with her and this was just icing on the shit-cake for him.
balancespec2 10y ago
Am I the only one that finds out their past number of partners before even meeting them? If they can't tell me that uP front I write them off as too uptight.
Redpillthriller 10y ago
Let's see.
College educated women.
Massive debt. Paid to get fucked by Chad thunder cock and the football team for 4 years. 4 years of feminist indoctrination.
Why would anyone date a college girl again?
rztzz 10y ago
I think another major reminder from this is that women cannot keep secrets.
Obio1 10y ago
True.. But even now, it should not be assumed that we now know all the secrets.
For all we know there were also a few times when she fucked a whole frat house.
benzamtrp 10y ago
I think your analysis is great up until categorizing the two advices in either blue or red pill perspectives. Whatever reaction she decides to have is normal post-wall AWALT trying to save her marriage. How the husband will react to what she gives him is somewhere on the scale between AF and BB.
RP is understanding the reality of human relationship dynamics and acting in accordance. BP is not having a clue.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
A better label for the approaches might have been 'sex-positive' and 'sex-negative'.
If she goes sex negative, she essentially embraces TRP philosophy of SMV, realises she's fallen and works to distance herself from it and improve.
If she goes sex positive, she tells him that he's wrong and that there's nothing wrong with her actions.
It's a fairly subtle distinction here.
benzamtrp 10y ago
OK I understand what you meant now. Your #1 was that she can put on the alpha pants and force him into a BB role, which needless to say will strain their relationship further. And #2 was that she can accept the blame and give him the opportunity to maintain his status, in accordance with the redpill view of proper relationship.
Good discussion cheers!
[deleted] 10y ago
Plenty of girls, including some hot girls, don't slut it up in their early 20s. Our society - and reddit - tries to act as if all girls can prodigious servings of dick on a weekly basis, but in reality, enough girls are avoiding the CC that there is never any reason to seriously LTR a CC rider. It might be the norm to CC ride, but there's plenty of exceptions. CC riders #1 argument is that all girls do it, if you want to be bothered by this then you'll never find anyone, 15+ guys by 22 is normal, etc. I used to think this was true, but then again, I mostly hung out around sluts as a product of where I lived at the time (LA) and who I was friends with. Went off to grad school only to find out that there's plenty of women who either avoided the CC or got on and realized what was wrong with it after 1-2 rides.
Do not accept the normalization of low-quality shit that permeates so much of modern society. You are told low quality health / fitness is beautiful, low quality sex life (once a month with a bored wife) is something to aspire to, and a low quality woman (no domestic skills, alpha widow, ex-CC rider, etc) is "all that there is because everyone's doing it."
watersign 10y ago
eh..the younger crowd these days is pretty bad man.
thedude122487 10y ago
Hat's off to the wife's friend for ratting her out. She is the only sane person in this story.
thebluepillsucked 10y ago
The thing about this reddit is these stories really shouldnt exist or be posted if you were truly redpill. This is how women are and if you've ever plated a woman or multiple women, you would see/know this.
The cock carousel is part of them growing up and nothing has changed since the beginning of time. They HAVE to do it. If you read Rollo's latest blog post, look what happens when she didnt ride the carousel when she was younger, shes going to do it in the middle of her marriage. The thing you guys dont see contrary to her story is she would probably make an "excellent" wife. Its out of her system, she learned it provided 0 value to her life. If I were to ever settle down and marry (most likely wont ever happen) someone, it would be with someone like her. Even rap songs talk about it, "Date/Marry someone with a story" If not you are going to be part of the story.
Quit posting on reddit go out and have fun with some sluts and see how women truly are and quit judging so harshly.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Aouch, poor guy, he married the girl we got tired of fucking in college.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Precisely, that's exactly the definition of sluttiness. It's not about being promiscious. No guy has problems with a bitch who wants to suck his dick. It's women who have sucked tons of dicks but then pretend to be snowflake extra virgin marry to extract resources and commitment.
thedude122487 10y ago
Keeping a secret like that is almost as bad as a lie by omission. If you murdered someone, you can't just say "the past is the past and it's a new chapter so this is just the one secret I kept from my partner" because like it or not, the past does reflect on you as a person. If it's something that might affect their decision to want to be with you, you OWE it to them to inform them. Doing otherwise is pure dishonesty. Sadly, hardly anybody gives a fuck about the Golden Rule.
I don't have any patience for somebody who keeps secrets like that. That's why you grill your S/O about these things early on in the relationship. That way the only way for her to "keep it a secret" is to lie, which puts it 100% on her.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
FTFY. Otherwise, completely agree. If it's something your partner would weigh before choosing to marry you, you owe it to them to tell them at some point before marriage.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Absolutely, I ask girls before getting serious if they'd still love me and want to be with me if they found out the horrible things I did in my past.
'Would you still love me if you found out that I used to kill jews?'
'I would..'
'Wait.. you'd still want to be with me if I was a nazi?..'
'Well, aslong as you're sweet to me'
metakek 10y ago
"Would you still love me if I told you you were my first and I just acted like a bad boy to make you like me?"
"RAPE BY DECEPTION!"
HermesHermeneus 10y ago
I lol'd.
Best shit test ever.
hohamocha 10y ago
The only excuse he needs to hate her is this : "You a bitch, you a ho, that's just my philosophy" - Tauheed Epps (Two Chainz)
And the philosophy is this: Past behavior/attitude is a great indicator of present behavior/attitude
A woman being/ having been promiscuous shows lack of self control. It is 100x easier for a woman to have sex than a man. The guy should understand what a woman with no self control is capable of, which can include making him unknowingly raise another man's kid. I bet she is fucking some dude behind his back, never trust a slut. Once a slut, always a slut.
Also the guy has to give his commitment to her to get something that she easily gave away to other guys when that thing was in its prime. That thing is nubile femininity.
The husband should know that what a person is sexually attracted to does not change after puberty. Women have (since age 16) wanted to fuck bad boy alpha, while men (since age 16) have wanted to fuck slim women with a nice ass and rack. If she was attracted to the bad boy party alpha, chances are she is still attracted to those men, and is using the husband as some other form of provider status/ beta bux. Past attitude is a spot on indicator of present attitude. Ask your boss about that shit.
gggh0st 10y ago
I lived in a house with 2 other dudes in college. We were all in the same fraternity. Our frat had groupies that would come over and get run through pretty frequently.
It's so funny talking to the dudes they're engaged/married to at parties. So many of their relationship problems boil down to their S/O needing to get hammered and smash 10 dudes.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say I also did recreational drugs, drank a shit load, and fucked random sorority hoes pretty much weekly in college and I have grown out of it. I can also add, however, that I used drugs, drank constantly, and fucked loose women because I am a shitty human being. I am still a shitty human being, I just do other shitty things now that I'm 26 and that lifestyle is no longer viable.
I "grew" out of it, but the underlying pathology that made me that way is still 100% there. I tell chicks what went on in those days in the beginning of relationships now because it's the least shitty thing I can do.
totorox 10y ago
You're not. SHBs dont think it, much less admit it.
See? That's uncommonly ethical a behavior, even for good human beings. Hang in there brother.
watersign 10y ago
thats the thing though, alot of women are shitty human beings but they cant even grasp it or realize it themselves.
yeoxnuuq 10y ago
No one wants a lock that every key can/has opened
NikahPlease 10y ago
No one wants a pencil sharpener that can only sharpen one pencil
Edit: Shitty analogies ftw!
barmaleo 10y ago
Yet another story of a girl under illusion that time can erase "Slut" sticker off her forehead.
Girls should cock ride with care not only because it can fuck them up mentally or ruin their life with unwanted child and all the pleasurses of single motherhood, or something along that, but also because in mens mind once a slut - always a slut. Women can't go backwards in terms of reputation. Irrational or not, it doesn't matter, what matters is that this stigma exists.
What pisses me off is that all women know about it since like middle school. Everone knows that the best way to bully and destroy a girl is to put out a rumor about what a whore she is, I dunno, that she slept with whole football team including coach, the mascott and the twink from the cheerleaders team. Every guy will know that this girl is not the one you date and buy flowers, she's the one you get really drunk, fuck in the bathroom and then call in your friends and pass her around while she's blacked out. Every chick dreads the whore sticker.
Yet somehow, people in the comments are talking some bullshit. Blablabla past is past blablabla husband should get over blablabla. Useless. She needs damage control, she needs to get rid of all her friends that know about her past (she's alredy doing it), she will have to lie and bullshit to weasel out and make the relationship healthy again.
In fact, I'm generally courious what a woman should do to save her face in a situation like this.
Steve_Wiener 10y ago
That was a pretty thorough analysis of the comments.
Transmigratory 10y ago
She's probably more scared that if this established man leaves her, then he'll spread the word about her past to other established men.
watersign 10y ago
no, shes scared because after she gets divorced it will be alot harder to get re-married. assuming her husband has a career and all..
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Actually, this approach is just a different flavor of the blue pill... It's still bluer than a smurf's dick.
The idea that "her actions don't impinge on her current value" is an absolutely core component of the BP worldview. It's also patently ridiculous. Why the fuck would her actions affect her value in every area EXCEPT the area of sexuality? This insanity is just another part of the woman-coddling tomfoolery that is the Blue Pill.
LOL'd so fucking hard at this hamstering. This bitch is completely out of touch with reality. Anyone who doubts that women literally don't notice bottom-80% men, this is your proof.
Anyone who's been to college knows there was a huge contingent of Asian/Christian/nerdy males who literally never did any of that stuff. But she didn't even acknowledge their existence. To her, "everyone" was whoring it up.
Good post OP. The comment you link to is a perfect example of the archetypal love story of our times: "Hard-working, earnest beta meets washed-up slut."
(Fuck... I just realized that describes my parents. )
Titan5000 10y ago
Late read for me, but I had my study face on until your last line. Then I lol'd. Great post here.
doc_rotten 10y ago
"Everyone" doesn't mean real flesh and blood people. It means the numerous personalities in her own mind were all sluts. Even the one's that pretend not to be. They had a vote. It was unanimous.
Jehosh 10y ago
I'm reminded of a proverb: you cannot cross a river without getting wet. Seems to fit this situation perfectly.
Hatorader 10y ago
I'm not even nerdy or religious and I'm slightly above average in looks and a pretty good body and I couldn't even get a fucking glance from a girl in college let alone threesomes and gang-bangs.
exit_sandman 10y ago
The same for me during my college years. Well, my game was pretty much non-existent for several reasons, so I blame that for my lack of love life; but I also had the limiting belief that porn-style sex didn't exist outside of, well, porn. Because that's what I have been told all the time.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
I call the 'distancing' as being red pill, in that she acknowledges that it's harmful and a bad sign and now attempts to backpedal by asserting that she's changed. In other words, she's saying, "being a slut is bad, but I've changed since then and will be a good wife, so please love me." On the other hand, the BP approach is "being a slut is fine. Experimenting with my sexuality is good."
It's a common enough tactic, but it's the one that ties into the RP narrative.
You're right about it being a strong hamster, but it's all part of her plight to raise her quickly plummeting SMV, which is setting her up for a RP dynamic. The BP action would be to reject the notion of this affecting her SMV entirely, rather than trying to mitigate its overall effect.
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Ah, understood. Very good point you're making... She is showing Red Pill awareness even as she seeks to ensnare a Beta provider. This bitch is so duplicitous it's unreal.
TurduckenII 10y ago
Both of you folks bring up excellent points on the same issue. I feel that this is an issue of the husband feeling like he missed out. She feels like she experimented in those days, and although she may or may not have (probably did) enjoy it, she regrets it now. She probably loves her life with her husband and doesn't want it to fade.
He, however, probably has a different viewpoint. He may not have had promiscuous lays, or as many, or of a lower quality than she did. He feels like she's privileged to be able to have that sex and then regret it or not--that she has an element of choice. Meanwhile, how is their sex at home? How many times has he been rejected by her? How many times has she said, "ok, but make it quick?"
She needs to admit that she acted slutty and concealed it from him. If he never asked about it, it's not exactly either of their faults. Failure to ask, "have you ever had crazy sex before you met me?" is not a common fault. If she actively denied it, misrepresented the facts, or told half-truths, then it is her fault. She didn't need to paint a picture full of porny details. You can't take those images back. Now he can't stop thinking of them. You can be honest, but still spare the mind of your partner. She could have mentioned that she was promiscuous and that she had experiences that she regrets because it doesn't fit with the love for him that she has now. Well, now he's been informed by a 3rd party. This is the error of the 3rd party, not the fact that he was told, but the images that was unloaded onto him.
How to recover? She needs to give him the element of choice. When he's ready to talk, she needs to admit fault for dishonesty, because why keep it a secret if it's not bad? Again, you can spare details while still being honest. She wasn't honest. She pulled the bait-and-switch. He's disgusted with her, but why shame him for his feelings? Feelings are barometers of the heart, information. They are to be listened to. They aren't wrong. But they do change. He'll most likely not divorce her. He's just insanely envious of what he feels like he missed out on. If he feels like she's been a whore, then the best thing she can do to preserve their union is say that she's his whore, and reaffirm their bond that way. It might not be fair to her to be pressured into sex, and it's not fair to him to omit what may have been a deal-breaker. It depends on what's the priority: growing in a new way in the marriage or being right.
Hatorader 10y ago
Yep, exactly true, been in this exact same spot myself(except I'm not dumb enough to ever get married). A feeling of missing out plus a whole bunch of mixed emotions. He's paying a higher price to get less than the lesser men before him.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
The poor dude can't even cum on her face.. Just imagine how he must of felt when he found out she's been tossed around like a sack of chips.
That's some serious misrepresentation on her part and some lack of screening on his.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
Very very true. I attend a university with a very large Christian population and you'd be surprised at how few of these people actually do drugs and party. For the most part, they make good memories with each other and stay out of trouble, and I admire that about them. Those men who date those Christian girls who actually follow the Bible have much more rewarding relationships than your average idiot dating some disgusting chubby sorority girl. And I say this as someone who doesn't believe in God.
pTymN 10y ago
Ding ding. You rang. I feel very conflicted feelings about this.
When I was 25, I married a 20 year old. I know I was, and every bit of evidence suggests that she was actually a legit virgin. The sex went from painful to constantly getting better and better.
Women will say ANYTHING to get whatever opportunities they see before them. She wanted the CC so bad, that she divorced me at 22 and applied to a master's program, just to get back into a college. It ended with her saying "Fuck you and your god." And then she ripped up my childhood bible. I threw her out at that point.
But I have no regrets. I don't know if I would have been willing to sit patiently and meditate on the truth in RP if I hadn't been burned so hard with such a picture perfect start and so much validation from every kind of authority figure at the time.
Incidentally, the two faced pastors who so eagerly raced past the red flags they unearthed in our pre engagement counseling became quite flaky in the HELP! part of the relationship. I no longer attend church.
To me, RP means that I only pour my excitement, passion, and attention into that which is permanent. It may just be God and myself.
TomSachs 10y ago
I was raised in a very red pill household solely due to Christianity
BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Dude I feel exactly the same way. Honestly it makes me wanna go meet some Christian women, I'm kinda tired of just fucking all these sluts, my notch count is sky-high but I have gotten zero emotional fulfillment out of my slut-fucking ways.
In a way, "God" is just a code-word that human beings use to connect with one another. It makes us feel like we're all part of the same family, with "God" as the loving patriarch.
Even though I don't believe in some invisible dude in the sky, when I think of the words "God" and "Jesus" as nothing more than imaginary words that humans use to grow closer to one another, it makes me want to go join a church and have a meaningful relationship with a cute God-fearing virgin.
Will try it and report back... Psyched to write an FR about it. "CHRISTIANITY CONFIDENTIAL: Infiltrating the Church to Desecrate Virgin Poon."
Bout to get Dark Triad as fuck in order to engage in a meaningful relationship. Paradoxical strategy? Let's find out.
redpillerinnyc 10y ago
Every roadie will tell you Mormon and Catholic girls are the dirtiest and raunchiest sluts. So much for virgin Christian pussy.
AWALT.
needless_pickup_line 10y ago
As a relatively devout Catholic let me tell you that modern church girls are only slightly better than your average sloot. Most people would be surprised at the amount of whoring and partying that goes around.
If anything they're even better at hiding their past.
femmefatale1 10y ago
You have to find the right church.
Unfortunately the ones with the good girls tend to be the most exclusive ones.
Dravous 10y ago
it's almost as if the bible was trying to tell everyone something.....
Overkillengine 10y ago
Especially the ones that wear a crucifix that dangles precisely in the middle of their cleavage as if to call attention to it (it is).
They will happily lie to you and the world about what kind of person they are.
thebalrog_ofmorgoth 10y ago
went to 10 years of Catholic school. can confirm.
rpkarma 10y ago
As an ex- devout catholic, I'd like to corroborate this. I got easier pussy when I was in youth group than nearly anywhere else. There are some real God-fearing girls there that won't give it up without a ring, but honestly they're few and far between, and their numbers are dwindling as society beats the religion and morals out of them.
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soThisIsHowItEnds 10y ago
But its different. At the time they did it, they had already told their preacher they were fucking and he made it better. Never even happened to them.
CrimsonDeep 10y ago
Yup. Grew up in the bible belt myself.
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Anecdotal but the biggest slut I know totes God and her religion all the time. Has a Psalm verse tattooed on her back. She's obscenely hot, like a 10/10 but has fucked like 1000 dudes. Catholic school her whole life. The sluts are everywhere man
sailorJery 10y ago
Tattoos are blatant signs that she's more of a hypocritical christian than one who is of high value. My family is christian and my sister have friends who are on both sides. The ones who are christian but lust for the shiny things in the secular world, and those who take their faith very seriously.
AlphaAccountant 10y ago
Do you think that it's because the social shame of being perceived as a slut and then shunned as a social outcast has largely been removed?
boxofcookies101 10y ago
I go to a Catholic University and I find that women will still engage in the whore games. But they're entire lives are lies pretty much. They lie to they're best friends and such. They have fantastic reputation management skills.
On the other hand thought I find that they're are more non sluts than sluts. The ability to have a decent rewarding relationship for long term goes up significantly. They understand that they're reputation becomes his reputation.
GritsConQueso 10y ago
http://youtu.be/YMdhWRO4-dQ
Hope this helps. It's about the same for Southern Baptist girls, minus the mustaches.
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BurgundyCarpet 10y ago
Yeah, but God has many other uses as well. It's also a mechanism for communities to bind together, to direct people's behavior, etc. etc.
MicroMinion 10y ago
So to avoid women who have lie about their perdonalities and past sins you will do exactly the same? Now this is a level of RP hypocrisy I haven't seen before...
copralalic 10y ago
TRP is amoral. No morals? No hypocrisy.
MicroMinion 10y ago
It is amoral, but true as this is, I would hate for this place to become the male version of what feminism is now.
Getting with taken women is one thing, but lying and deceiving good ones in order to get with them and thus permanently ruining them is taking it to a whole new level.
Also even though morals might not be taken into condsideration it doesn't change the fact that it's still hypocrisy to do the exact opposite of what you want other people to do.
copralalic 10y ago
TRP remains amoral, but you have ethics, which is a good thing. You have no right to judge your fellow men, however, and honestly it's not your business.
pl231 10y ago
you're going to make them have a mental breakdown. it would be like you're playing on easy mode and then eventually they will realize you aren't their knight in shining armor they've dreamed of for 10 years and their entire world will come crashing down.
Dis_mah_mobile_one 10y ago
I grew up in an evangelical family. Just because they're regular church-going girls doesn't mean they're not also on dat carousel.
femmefatale1 10y ago
It depends on the church. I know that at least 90% of the girls who went to one Church during my highschool years were virgins entering college. And I believe many were until their wedding night.
The key is proper peer pressure. The churches that let in sluts will quickly degrade because its okay to be a slut.
Dis_mah_mobile_one 10y ago
Agreed entirely, there were and are many girls just like you describe in my family's church. It's just not guaranteed and one can become the other pretty quickly.
pl231 10y ago
it's a study of extremes. you'll find giant sluts and then you'll find virgins
Wraithwain 10y ago
A girl I used to like from church went at it with as much enthusiasm and energy as when rodeo bulls are used for the carousel. She got herself knocked up and left behind. And now, she contacts me every now and then asking to go out.
Church is no guarantee for their purity, but it just increases the odds of finding one who isn't slightly. And it is still the best place to start looking for a girl with a red pill mindset.
BLACKxFR0STY 10y ago
Wow you just described my last relationship to a tee.
source: dated a very catholic girl, her world crashed.
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GoldPisseR 10y ago
A cute Christian virgin will stay far away from a guy with a high count.They want other christian guys like themselves.TRP wont work on them because bible learnings are ingrained in their souls.
I've met some girls who'll only have sex with their husbands and if the guy is not okay with waiting ,they move on.They value their beliefs more than 'alphas' which is how it should be.
SkorchZang 10y ago
TRP works on the man, transforming the man. The resulting man is more attractive to all women, including the nice christian girls. They still get the vagina tingles from alpha cues just like every other female. They still have a giant rationalization hamster instead of integrity (scriptural or otherwise) in their brain box.
Some tiny details in how you'd wanna approach might change, but it's pure decorum. Superficial level "a nice wrapper for her to enjoy" stuff, deep down the game is exactly the same with those chicks as with any other type.
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No they won't.
I was part of a large Christian group on campus and always wondered why all of the attractive girls were dating guys who were barely Christian (some not at all). Had no idea why a smart, funny, nice guy like me was invisible to them.
Now I fucking do. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that after only 5 years or so, half of the Christian girls who married their alpha, atheist, asshole boyfriends are divorced now.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
Dude I can also give examples! As I said , some people hold onto religions more than others.
And divorced rate is much lower among devout christians , even when most girls marry their first bfs right out of high school,you know that right?
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Oh, of course I know that. I'm just saying from experience at several churches and college fellowships, the most attractive girls were never interested in other Christian guys except as "friends".
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sendinthetanks 10y ago
Yup. I've personally had 3 Christian girls with virginity pledges and all. If you're high value enough it's not an obstacle
GoldPisseR 10y ago
Not every family is like yours.
Seriously ,you try to escalate and the girl will simply run. As I said their brains are drilled with the fact that sex is for marriage.Its a bit like how terrorists are brainwashed since childhood
If she isn't a virgin anymore , she loses part of her identity.
StupidStrong 10y ago
Dude, no. Whatever Christian girls blew you off, it was your fault. You fucked up. Honestly, read back what you just wrote, it's the same shit any loser says after being blown off at a club all night. Stop making excuses.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
You underestimate the power religion has over some people!
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GoldPisseR 10y ago
'Good girls want to be bad'.
Yes! But At the right time.They worry about their reputation more than anything else in the world.Among hardcore christians a non virgin girl wouldn't be sought for marriage.
You think they'd risk that?Especially when they know that guys will do/say anything to get in their pants.
This may work with regular college girls who don't value their virginity much.But when you are actively taught to hold onto it for marriage since childhood it becomes a part of your identity.
I've even met some christian guys who only want to fuck their future wives.Thats why most get married pretty early.
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George_l_rockwell 10y ago
I feel exactly the same. I'm only 19 in university and I'm already tired of it. The risk of disease is also something that has put me off as well. If anything, I've noticed that I get more of a thrill from the actual chase than doing the deed itself now.
I know exactly how you feel. Unfortunately, many churches these days are becoming very accommodating for the cultural Marxism that is becoming powerful in the US, and I'm trying to avoid joining a church where the members simply view it as a place to go on Sunday, and to act like a slut for the rest of the week. I want to meet a Christian virgin girl who you can actually talk to and have meaningful conversations with, and someone who has more value to them than just what's inbetween their legs. I may be an atheist, but I have never met a girl who said she didn't believe in God and who kept herself respectable the way a religious girl does.
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TomSachs 10y ago
Come to the south my friend its a good place to start.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
Come to the South? I was born and raised there. Unfortunately, I'm not studying there.
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George_l_rockwell 10y ago
That's why I'm looking into Orthodox communities, and seeing what they might have to offer.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
Someone I know spent some time in the Orthodox Jewish community. They turn off their phones Friday evening and refrain from using technology until later in the weekend, and have traditional family dinners and gatherings.
My friend's girlfriend at the time came to him in the middle of their relationship, and said she was "raped" by this older man in their community. Who she then continued to spend time with publicly and privately until my friend's relationship ended.
She continued to see this older man after her and my friend broke up.
I tried to convince my friend that it was a possibility that she was lying, but he was completely convinced and under the sway of the BP. I have been phasing him out of my life for other reasons, namely, his bipolar tendencies and constant need for female validation.
Funny thing is, he was raised by a single mother. Red pill is right again.
Glenwalk 10y ago
Churches aren't the best place to meet Christian girls. You'll meet a bunch of older people who use it as a way to socialize. I'd recommend things like Intervarsity Christian Fellowship, Campus4Christ or smaller house churches.
That being said, churches aren't bad for getting information about these clubs, but I'd say it's more of a stepping stone.
If I ever decide to settle down that's my plan.
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Most of those are college programs--I was in one briefly but eventually left (I was in a Christian fraternity as well so my time was occupied elsewhere) but in my experience it was an extension of Greek life. 75% of the Campus Crusade goers were Greek or about to go Greek soon and the girls still had that 80% don't matter mindset. It doesn't change there either.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
Even then though, you have to remember that the best Christian girls get married relatively early in their lives. I doubt you wanna marry an older Christian woman, as something would be off if she wasn't married by then.
Glenwalk 10y ago
Of course- that's why campus christian groups would be the ideal spot
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The nice thing about Los Angeles is that there are a lot of young churches here. I've been going to one for years though I haven't really made any connections in it--it's large enough on Sundays that I just kind of want to go home after a 2.5 hour service, especially after a workout or a late Saturday. My other option for connecting is joining a community group, the deterrent here being another 2.5 hour meeting on a weeknight that should be much shorter and has a much higher chance of being filled with couples than single women. -_-
apachemd 10y ago
Methodist and church going my whole life. A peculiar phenomenon I've noticed: Christian church-going chicks are just not good looking. Unfortunate, but undeniable. Thoughts on why this is? I have some theories but I won't bias any responses
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Black baptist church until I went to college. Then more diverse in college. There were some really hot girls in school because a few girls decided to bring receptive girls from their sororities.
However, our sister sorority only had one really good looking girl every like 3 years. But at church I see good looking couples all the time. Like objectively 8/10 or better girls. I'm not sure why this is.
apachemd 10y ago
Married women yes I agree some are decent, I'm talking about young singles. 20-something hot Christian chicks as regular church attendees are simply non-existent. Ditto single desirable alpha males in their 20's and 30's. I'm a rare exception to this.
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Well that's what I mean like where TF did they come from. It wasn't spontaneous generation. I'll make it a point to see how many single-liking hot looking girls there are
pTymN 10y ago
The church I grew up in was full of single women. What was funny is to watch them get married and seeing what 5 years would do to them. I had 20 years of watching. The stuck up snotty ones became quite much friendlier with time.
internet_terrorist 10y ago
It's been said over and over in this sub that women's level of education doesn't matter, her job doesn't matter, her money doesn't matter. All that matters is her youth and ability to produce children.
But to be a good mother, she must be virtuous -- noone wants a whore raising their children.
This is why LMR exists, and this is why former CC riders try to make you wait for it -- they're trying to display the only characteristic that really matters: virtue.
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HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
Every woman imagines that she "matures" out of her cock carousel ride. This is the hamster's story-writing department hard at work.
But in reality, they are forced out by the slow, painful realization that being young and hot isn't a permanent solution to life's challenges.
Women would fuck their way out of every problem if entropy let them.
BlackHeart89 10y ago
Honestly, I would too. I love sex. So why not? But I agree with your post.
thedude122487 10y ago
Here's a quote of her's in the thread:
That's interesting, she didn't seem to mind it when she was getting D.P.'d by her ex-boyfriend and his roommate. (Even though she never explicitly said that she was D.P.'d, let's be honest.) Wonder how many times she's done anal with her husband? I'd be willing to bet..uh..zero??
VarsitySlutTeamCpt 10y ago
"Just cuz the all flies hover over the manauer doesn't mean it's a good idea."
Obio1 10y ago
This.
The reality is she had to stop.
But it's also ridiculous to claim that it's "behind her" now.
How would his wife feel if she found out her husband used to be gay? Would she accept "That was a different part of my life, and I'm not gay now"?
Of course not. Once you've admitted what you're in to, there's not much you can say that's going to convince anyone that you're no longer into it.
His wife is into getting gangbanged. Now.
DrunkNewb 10y ago
Exactly. She's not "into it anymore" because she isn't hot and young anymore. You can bet that if she could continue doing it, she would.
Nydusurmainus 10y ago
They can only fuck their way out of stuff due to the failure of men don't forget. It is equally our responsibility to make sure women don't have the power to do this
4delicioustreats 10y ago
Also on point, if the ability to get what she wants resumes, her behavior likely will resume.
Eg, trade a boss sex for promotion or to get some emotional fun when the relationship with him is going sour.
bsutansalt 10y ago
It's behind her as much as his utility is in front of her. If the husband was suddenly out of the picture she, like most women, return to their feral hypergamy once free to do so. See also all the women in their 30s and 40s I've seen who divorced and fucked every alpha six ways to Sunday that they could get their hands on.
Christ, I was just in chicfila and the old lady who got me my refill remarked about the size of my arms "oh you work out" and she squeezed it, then asking if she should feel it. WTF? Point being, they'd all be panty dropping for one alpha after another if they were given the opportunity. Age doesn't factor into it beyond limiting their attractiveness. Then again I can't blame them. If models did the same thing to me I'd be all over that.
cocaine_face 10y ago
One time I was at a wedding party for a girl I had dated back in my bluepill days.
I had also dated her cousin (without knowing at first it was her cousin), also at the same party, much more recently (about 6 months before) who was significantly more attractive and probably the second most attractive girl at the party.
While cousin is flirting pretty heavily with me at the bar, wedding girl is getting -intensely- jealous and flirting with me too (at first just to "check up", and later on to full on interrupt us talking).
In the midst of this hypergamy oneupmanship, an old lady, I want to say 65 or 70, comes up to me and LITERALLY UNBUTTONS THE TOP BUTTON ON MY SHIRT. And then tells me, "Oh, this looks much better".
Hypergamy isn't affected at all by age. Women will gravitate to the highest value man they can.
theultmatecad 10y ago
Since I learned to NGAF, lift hard, speak to all women I have had women run hands all over my arms and shoulders. There is locking down pussy. It's just your turn
killcat 10y ago
Well this is an opportunity for him, get a few MFF going :)
Glitsh 10y ago
On the other hand, we are learning our sexuality is fluid throughout our lives. It's kinda unfair to think he couldn't have been gay or bi with string homosexual tendencies and that now, he is much more Herero.
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sway_usa 10y ago
Haha. Yeah, I'm sure he just gay for a brief period in the 70s. Sure.
103003B8O02074A4 10y ago
...lets say a woman used to be a slut. She acknowledges that she belived being a slut would empower here, but then realized all it did was make her into a slut. Shes still young, beautiful, and tight. But she has decided to stop being a slut and deeply regrets her actions.... then what. I'm 23 and this is the situation with my current girlfriend. She treats me amazingly and was completely 100% honest about the mistakes of her past. I dont plan on marrying this girl but i have forgoven her. Not sure what else to do really.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 10y ago
Plate. Don't marry.
You're 23 and you think you've found a special woman who's different and better than most others?
There are ten of her at the Starbucks closest to your home. Post again when you're fucking six women just like this one and let us know if you still think she's special.
AssedM 10y ago
You can't decide to stop being a slut. Slut is just a measure of moral reputation. A slut is a label given to from others, not from yourself, which means a girl can't decide to 'stop' being one. Damage to someones reputation and character is almost always irreversible. That is why being labeled a rapist, whore, or thief publicly is so devastating. That is why slander can be prosecuted in a court of law for large sums of money, because the money still probably won't make up for it. Being a slut is just innate low intelligence behavior (which is often why dumb slut goes together) or a sign of social/mental issues. It is seeking instant pleasure/gratification at the expense of the future, either due to a lack of faith/hope in the future or shortsightedness. Its like a man that robs people as living, fast and easy money, and you might even get away with it a few times, but it will catch up and you won't ever live it down. The only difference is that a thief is more likely to change his behavior than slut because sexual behavior is much more conserved throughout life than impulsive testosterone fueled behavior.
Kill_Your_Ego 10y ago
All women are sluts. You are 23. Far too young to even think about marriage. You have a solid ten years. Keep that in mind.
Billybob25112 10y ago
I was in your exact situation back in my purple pill days. Guess how well that worked out? Dump her, you'll thank me later. Women who've ridden the CC become machiavelian to the point of extreme when it comes to relationships, romantic or not. You are in no way equipped to handle one.
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
That kind of admission shows a surprising level of self-awareness, especially for a girl who hasn't left the prime of the cock carousel age (women don't usually make that realization until they're 30+).
I'd say you've got a pretty good girl on your hands there. Train her well and she'll be good to you for a long time.
Edit: Just don't marry her. Don't get married, period.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
Just because she's honest she's good?
Promiscuous girls are broken as fuck.Period.
Dont marry her sure! But if you also ever fall for her , she'll crush your soul
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
No, not honest. Capable of introspection.
Modern women, because they lack fathers, also lack the trained discipline to ignore their hamster and examine the long-term consequences of their actions. But this one just did.
OP should train her in all the other aspects of a dutiful female.
WardlyHasted 10y ago
Jesus. The response from that women might as well have a ^"TM" after it.
totorox 10y ago
I'm giving up. OP deleted all her or his comments. Some guy claimed that OP is a contributor to this sub anyway.
roflzaur 10y ago
Women like this is like someone going into a bank applying for a mortgage loan but has a 100/800 credit score. The person might say, "im a different person now", "ive changed", "stop being so judgemental" but the bank doesnt care. It denies them the loan. Men should to the same to women.
jckiker 10y ago
Are you sure OP wasn't just paraphrasing the script from Chasing Amy?
www777com 10y ago
"OP realises that her actions signal her unsuitability..."
I don't think that is the only realization. The other is that on some level he realizes she's not the woman every guy wants but few can have but rather many had her and even passed her around. His perception of her is forever tarnished.
MrRexels 10y ago
And yet a woman can take both things in one fell sweep and you don't even care to find what she did in college?
cariboo_j 10y ago
That's how they do it in India apparently. Hiring a private investigator to check out a potential husband or wife is common practice.
ShanksNes 10y ago
So if he was fucking her sister, but that was before they met and was "in the past", would that matter to her? Just goes on to show the general rule of the matrix - the more ridiculous , the more believable.
RamblinRambo3 10y ago
Whoring around catches up to you at some point.
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DoctorWelch 10y ago
There is nothing too new here, but I will say these stories always seem to make me wish I had only known about this place a little earlier when I was in my LTR that...by no coincidence...lead me here. Not because anything like this happened to me, but just the opposite. I was the one to purpose the break and I was the one to sleep with a few people. I found a girl that was good for an LTR and probably good for marriage, but I fucked it up believing a lie.
I was the one that wasn't satisfied with the relationship because I believed the lie that men and women were equal in the relationship. I was so frustrated that she wasn't the person that I thought she SHOULD be but now know she COULD NEVER be.
My point is that the lie that men and women are and should be equal never works. It either ends up where the man is destroyed, such as this situation, or where the relationship just simply can't work because of the difference between how men and women love. The feminist lie is cancerous and destructive no matter what the context of the relationship.
cyear 10y ago
That was really well thought through. It's hard sometimes to see through the bs if you've been indoctrinated in it for years. What would be your move in this example? What should the husband do? And further - could this have been avoided with marrying her? I'm sure there must've been red flags, you can't hide your past completely and your true nature.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
My recommended action for either person, from a purely pragmatic POV, varies depending on their natures.
For her, she needs to match her approach to his overall attitude. If he's a nice guy undergoing feeling vomit, she could likely dominate and shame him into accepting that her sexual history is irrelevant.
If his actions are solid dread, meeting him full on will not lead to a backing down. On the contrary, he'll quite possibly enter the launch codes. What she needs to do is capitulate and prove her worth as a woman. In other words, she needs to convince him that 'the past is the past', both with words and actions.
In his situation, the RP approach is ramping up the dread to nuclear levels. Her SMV has plummeted and both parties realise that. However, that doesn't necessarily spell the end of the relationship. She can still win favour through effort, and will be more inclined to, because he could leave and find a higher SMV woman at any time. This makes it possible that, if he plays his cards right, he could have his wife treat him like a god.
The approach would entail making sure she knows that he hasn't 'forgiven' her, but is open to letting her try to prove herself. "I'm very disappointed in you. I thought I married a woman with higher standards." It'd involve sitting on the dread button as long as possible.
Funnily enough, this can be modelled as a prisoner's dilemma, depending on how you value the outcomes, and whether you weight being in a marriage determined by your partner as superior to being single. I'm assuming so. In this case, blue is aggressive for her and compliant for him, and vice versa.
Her-Him - Winner-loser - Description
Red-Red - lose-win (biggest) - nuclear-powered relationship Red-Blue - win-win (small) - she apologises and he forgives her Blue-Red - lose-lose (big) - Kennedy says to Kruschev, 'you won't do it, faggot' and it ends as expected Blue-Blue - win-lose (biggest) - she dominates him and he apologises
scamper_22 10y ago
Absolutely, this is the best advice.
What do you do at this point. Like, that old political saying, the people get the government they deserve, men get the women they deserve and vice versa.
This guy didn't do the right investigation on his women. Oh, you can say she played him. In reality, there were no doubt signs during the relationship that should have raised his awareness.
This is no picnic for her either. It's not a nice thing to know that your past totally destroys any hope of a decent future for you. If you were a convicted murderer who got released and were looking to build a future, and were applying for a job, would you lie about your murderous past if you could? I'd say a large number of people would. Either you do that, or you stay in the bottom gangsta lifestyle.
This is largely the choice these women have ONCE they've done what they've done.
So anyways, that is that. All you can do now is move forward.
He learns, becomes a better man. She becomes a better woman. And maybe they grow as a couple to salvage what they have.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
I honestly read this and thought that she should try to set up a threesome with him and another lady and let it happen a few times if he wants to. Time to capitalize.
whataboutudummy 10y ago
The biggest and smallest part confuses, im going to get out a pad and my game theory book.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
To put it in terms of the prisoners:
If both defect (blue-red) then they get 10 years in prison, a 'big' amount of time.
If one defects and the other doesn't (red-red or blue-blue) the defector goes free and the other gets the maximum penalty of 20 years. This is the 'biggest' payoff.
If both cooperate (red-blue) they get a 'small' amount of time of six months.
She'll be unhappy having to work much harder to make up for diminished SMV in red-red. He'll be whipped in blue-blue. They get to go on living, albeit more awkwardly, neither position really changed, in red-blue. Blue-red sees the relationship fail in a cataclysmic fashion, setting them back lawyer fees, social status and life progress.
DRMMR76 10y ago
It all comes down to the idea that she gave way brand new goods for free and is now charging an arm and a leg for those same goods, now that they're used up and broken. Any male can detect this and have a feeling of distaste for the concept. A BP male will blame this distaste on himself as he's been conditioned to feel that way. A RP man will correctly call it out for the scam that it is.
She married him. She claims to love him more than all of those other guys. In his sensible male mind, this translates directly to thinking that if she cares about me more than those other guys, she should be willing to give me her best. Just as I might loan $5 to an acquaintance, $100 to a friend, and maybe $500+ to my best friend it's entirely rational to think that the greater and deeper a relationship you have with someone, the more you should be willing to do for them. His maleness understands this and notices the disconnect. She's supposed to have her greatest and deepest relationship with him, but he's not getting her best. Her best was given away to those other guys in her past, for nothing. He's put in all the work, built the relationship, committed himself legally to her, and now he's finding out that she's backing out of her part of the bargain. She got his best and he's not getting her best. And not only is he not getting it, which would be bad enough, but others did get it without having to do any of the stuff he's had to do.
Again, all men notice these things. But a plugged in man rejects the reasons for this and will convince himself that he's somehow at fault for feeling swindled.
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Loodu 10y ago
Reminds me of this comic http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7q_23uyIcsw/VPnDdgPwpAI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/0GNK4LLiEdc/s1600/Cartoon17.jpg
cock_pussy_up 10y ago
I like to bang them while they're still young and tight in slut experiment mode at 18-21. I don't want to marry them when they're 35 and looking for a sexless relationship with beta bucks.
The way this society tries to shame me for liking 18 yo punani and not wanting to settle into a sexless relationship with a used up middle aged woman with baggage is mentally retarded.
I'd rather jack off to sexy 18 yo bitches in porn and facebook / instagram photos than marry a used up leftover. Women need to prove their value to me in order to be worth commitment. If they're not going to give me the most valuable thing they'll ever have to offer (pussy in their prime) then why the fuck should I give them the most valuable thing I have to offer (lifetime commitment of resources)? Fuck that shit.
sailorJery 10y ago
Isn't it amusing? I almost posted an article by university of Texas that talks about how men innately find women with nice curves to be objectively more attractive than those who aren't because of prehistoric biological urges, yet when we talk about finding women who are more fertile (because of their age) attractive, suddenly we're creeps! lol Whenever people try and shame me for having a young girl I just try and get them to articulate why they think it's the case and they never can. They either shut up or get mad. It's hilarious.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
Don't bother trying to reason with these delusional people. They're the same people who will call you a pedo if you find a teen girl who's over the AOC attractive, but they think it's perfectly normal and healthy for a man to chop off his dick and get a surgical vagina.
thedude122487 10y ago
My ex-fiancee and I met up at a bar for a few drinks about a year ago, she was 25 at the time. She started ranting on about how one of our friends from college (26M) is dating an 18F high school student. She said it was gross and was genuinely pissed off about it. I was greatly amused that she was so offended at the idea that a 26 year old man could be sexually attracted to an 18 year old girl enough to be in a relationship with her.
I wanted to hear her hamster logic so I kept egging her on, making her think I was agreeing with her to get her to say more. In her attempts to convince me that it's wrong, the only thing she actually succeeded in convincing me of is that she's jealous that she's not 18 anymore and she's slowly becoming aware of "the wall". (I was fortunate enough to LTR her when she was 17-22, in her prime.)
ragerdat 10y ago
How is society this fucked? Honestly besides religion i cant find a single reason.
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sailorJery 10y ago
I thoroughly enjoy your posts, but how is this analogous?
Zanford 10y ago
"Everyone was doing it in college!"
Notice how invisible the bottom 80% of men are to women.
(Although I have to say, the bf and his roommate don't exactly sound like apex alphas, sharing the same woman on 15 occasions)
exit_sandman 10y ago
Nah, they just didn't care about her... Arnold Schwarzenegger did that stuff too, and if there's one guy in the world who is an apex alpha, it's him.
the_bastards_bitches 10y ago
What's wrong with sharing a woman? I really wish I shared more sluts with my buddy when I had the chance. It would have been another good story.
cookiecutterbullshit 10y ago
That story's got to have run dry after a while.
Eventually you'll begin to associate your roommate as more of a sex partner than a buddy....
sailorJery 10y ago
I guess there's nothing wrong with sharing a woman, the thought of having sex with a woman and a man has never been appealing to me, you very well might and that's your right, hey it takes all kinds right? Just a bit too homoerotic for my taste. But he was sharing his girlfriend, and when you're in a monogamous relationship and you share your partner, I dunno, something about that is innately pathetic.
I will say that I think the only threesome you should ever brag about should involve 2 women.
metakek 10y ago
My guess is the notion doesn't come from having a bonding experience with your buddy, but rather the idea of properly degrading a girl - treat her like a proper sperm receptacle and the sex object that she is. Obviously some girls are into that, and there will be guys happy to indulge them.
They're hardly left with any romantic feelings for her afterwards... that would require some sort of cuckold kink. She wasn't his girlfriend, she wasn't his fuckbuddy, she was his fleshlight.
makethemsayayy 10y ago
Doing recreational drugs once a month!
Oh my lord, she's off the wagon, full blown addict! Hamster dismissed, case-closed she's an addict, she needs HELP! Fucking patriarchy making women drug addicts /s
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
She has lied by omission and misled him. He feels betrayed. He has been betrayed.
Chances are she's doing fortnightly starfish sex and he's pissed off because while this is acceptable from a neo-virgin, it's not acceptable from a slut.
He probably wouldn't have married her if he knew this stuff (which is why she didn't tell him). Hence this is fraud on her part and he deserves a divorce.
He should get divorced on the basis of her misrepresentation and then decide what sort of a relationship he wants with her.
If she loved him, she would do this for him.. hahhahahahaha. Yeah right.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 10y ago
EXACTLY!
The only way this situation could be salvageable is for him to get a legal divorce but still live with her and basically get a "do over".
He already sees her as a completely different person so might as well.
macsenscam 10y ago
I don't plan on telling my future wife about all of my sexual exploits so I can't really criticize her.
thedude122487 10y ago
You should tell her if it's something that might affect her decision to want to be with you. If you love her, you owe it to her to give her that information.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Yes, but chances are it doesn't affect your relationship with her. You are probably not saying "oh no, I'm not that kind of boy!".
She is claiming to be something different to what she is, in order to increase her perceived value and reduce the amount/quality of sex she has with husband. In other words, manipulate.
TheThingsIThink 10y ago
We'll be the judge of how crazy the exploits were...
Newdist2 10y ago
Male and female preferences when it comes to this are different. so it's not a double standard.
macsenscam 10y ago
It's still a double standard, just one you feel is justified.
crimson-hound 10y ago
This is why I pretend to be "sexually liberated" with women I meet and date. I pretend to not care about any sexual stuff a woman has done in her past so that she lets out the secrets.
Good tactics for this.. Eventually the woman you're seeing will call another girl a "whore" or something. You then branch off and say "Why are you calling her a whore? She likes sex? Big deal, so do you and I".. From here you can go on to conversation topics like "weirdest spot you've boned" or "dirtiest thing you've done".
VarsitySlutTeamCpt 10y ago
"His emotional feelings is not valid. Divorcing her would be wrong."
joe_bruised_ego 10y ago
I wonder to what extent she kept this from him because she was afraid it would make her less desirable to him, and to what extent it was because she didn’t want to give him what he wanted in the bedroom.
trudatness 10y ago
Sounds like husband dude lost on the wife lottery wheel and his shit came up "That one college skank that let dudes run trains on her"
Now whenever he looks at her his mind's eye is going to superimpose the visual of two jackfucks high-fiving while front-to-backing her. Yes this is the woman he chose to share a financial strategy with, have children with and spend the rest of his life with. Waah-waah-waaaah.
Other dudes who added zero value to her life in any way whatsoever had their way, while I'm wagering he has a strict set of sexual rules to abide by.
Its not just her fallen SMV that is impacting the marriage, its the realization that his wants and needs are a secondary concern and that is the most bitter of pills to swallow of all.
When a man finally figures out how much he's been bamboozled - how much he continues to be devalued - its an eye-opener.
What this women needs to do now is apologize for not being up-front and honest with him - tell him that she loves him desperately - put on her best lingerie and SUCK HIS DICK - I mean with all of her heart and soul. She needs to show him the freak and be his little private sex kitten - saying to him that he's the love of her life - and that the special pussy that he's getting is the special pussy that no other man would get. And yes - she need to give up the ass - and moan like she loves it while begging him to dump his load while he's in there.
Lets call that choice 3.
Because as we all well know - how hot a woman gets during sex is a very accurate barometer for what her feelings toward that man in an LTR is. Passion for a one night chance encounter is always for the self. Passion in an LTR is for the other.
femmefatale1 10y ago
Definitely, I might be able to overlook a promiscuous past if the woman is a total freak for me in the bedroom, but if she is setting up rules(like this woman said she is), then its an instant dealbreaker.
watcher45 10y ago
To jackfucks highfiving while spit roasting her.
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trudatness 10y ago
I'm not "rooting" for anything to happen, but I certainly wouldn't blame the guy.
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I would say that instead of divorce which is obscenely costly just turn the relationship open. Obviously that girl will hate it but who gives a flying fuck? shes a dumb slut anyways. If I was the husband I would be like 'we'll still be married but I'm gonna fuck other girls freely because I don't feel any sense of attraction towards you anymore' and that would be that. No loss of money or anything like that, and the kids can remain in a stable home.
200mgtestc 10y ago
This is something that I don't understand with people. You're not supposed to "judge," but that guy will spend the rest of his life unable to get the images of 2 dudes running train on his wife out of his head. No amount of words or logic/illogic will ever change that.
Why stay with her? There's too many things (trust, her view of you vs them, images of her getting doubled on) that will literally never go away, regardless of whether you're not "supposed" to be effected by them or not.
I'm not saying it's cheating (of course it isn't, by definition), but it has the same results, psychologically. Why stay together if all those things will never go away?
Moldy_Gecko 10y ago
Unless, he can use this to get some 3somes out of her... That might change the image in his head instead of her getting split roasted, the image will be of her beaver hunting.
200mgtestc 10y ago
Absolutely. Not a long-term plan though.
In related news: I was thinking the other day about my single days - I feel like I should've just told girls that I only had 3somes. Probably would've been more than a couple that would've made a call and got it done.
Moldy_Gecko 10y ago
No, I mean, he should see what he can get out of her before dropping her. If he can get some threesomes, that slightly pays back the sexless debt she owes him.
And that's a great idea if I become single again.
200mgtestc 10y ago
Ya, wasn't disagreeing. Obviously a great play.
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If a man has an once of self respect then he will leave her.
Sadly most men do not.
TheDreamRun 10y ago
Most men don't have the financial means to just leave a marriage.
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MHOOD01 10y ago
Some have to suffer in order to wake up, unfortunately.
totorox 10y ago
Yup that's the standard prediction there. She will keep acting out like the washed up slut that she is, but he will only link her past whorishness to her present unsuitability as a life partner once she has raked him over the coals long enough.
If she was being honest she would write her OP as: "I fucked up, my husband knows I'm a loose whore now, what can I do?" and the answer would be "Leave him for his own good you dirty skank".
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totorox 10y ago
nobody does the right thing - the bourne.
grad14uc 10y ago
I don't think there should be any blame on the friend, or the husband. She was the one who has this baggage that she chose to hide. It's up to her now to make things right with him. As the saying goes, "you've made your bed, now lie in it."
You can't really blame the guy for being upset. He gets blindsided with this rather unpleasant truth. While divorce seems a bit much to me, everyone reacts differently to these things and you can't blame him for having a reaction different to your own.
sealteamaus 10y ago
poor little guy found out his delicate little princess can be just as much of a dirty fuckin whore as the rest of them and cannot hack it. i guess we'll be seeing him writing posts on /r/TheRedPill soon
JanLul 10y ago
Something that I didn't see mentioned is the husband being faced with the fact that his wife, whilst being sexually conservative with him, was actually really adventurous and wild with other men.
niczar 10y ago
It's not what she did that's the issue here. It's not whether it's good or bad that she slept with random guys and did all kinds of weird shit. It's that she knows very well that it's a problem for her husband, but she tries to find excuses and validation here.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
I agree; if her husband was some rock star / AF that also had a ton of threesomes in his prime, it'd probably be a non-issue altogether. The issue is in the fact that she kept a secret that she knew would change her husbands perception of her.
"Oh yeah, also, I was born a man. Sorry! Don't be so judgmental!"
Jizzaldo 10y ago
What these sluts don't realise is that nobody in their right mind would want a car that's had more than 5 owners, it's no different when it comes to our SO's
Newdist2 10y ago
Eh, I've had some real beaters in my time. Get them real cheap, ride them till they break down, then throw them away. Not a bad deal.
I'd never put kids in them, of course.
Overkillengine 10y ago
Or put 50% or more of my earnings up as collateral to pay for them.
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holzy444 10y ago
Actions have consequences. Imagine that.
NakedAndBehindYou 10y ago
Men are biologically programmed to be repulsed by sluts. Probably because for 99% of our evolutionary time, there was no way to know if a woman's baby was your own offspring, so being monogamous with a slut was a huge risk that your DNA would never be passed on. The men who thought that sluts were fathering their kids, when they were really not, did not have their DNA passed on. Whereas the men who were repulsed by sluts fathered children with more loyal women, and their DNA was passed on and spread out across the whole human race. That which survives and reproduces gets passed on and becomes normal throughout the population; and being committed to a slut does not help your genes be passed on. This is basic evolutionary theory.
Women inherently know that sluts are not worth committing to, men inherently know it too, but the SJW crowd at /r/relationships is still in full denial.
altmyalt 10y ago
It does boil down to insecurity and the husbands lack of equivalent experience and prowess, had he been banging two chicks at once etc, it would be water off a ducks back.
I've had women getting insecure and weird because I've a past of swinging and the bdsm community - they think they can't compete.
MagicGainbow 10y ago
Yeah nah, i've banged two chicks at once, would I seriously date a grl that's done the same with two guys?
Fuck no, yeah it's hypocritical but ultimately it doesn't matter, my experience has made me more attractive, double standards are a bitch.
altmyalt 10y ago
Sexual double standards are a female trick designed to trick men into believing pussy is really valuable.
Men were actually taught to believe access to one of them, that other men haven't touched, is worth a life time of toil.
This is women winning the sexual strategy game.
hohamocha 10y ago
It has more to do with not wanting to be in a relationship with a slut/ "can't turn a ho into a housewife" than insecurity
altmyalt 10y ago
And underlying that is insecurity, all these fears start with insecurity.
Its not that "you can't turn a ho into a housewife" - its that a particular individual might not be able to and their ego and confidence cannot stand the idea of too much competition from other men - this comes from self doubt and insecurity.
Do you think say for example - porn stars and so on get all weird and fucked in the head because their wife x, y z?
Nope, they do not - that's what it looks like closer the top of the sexual food chain, its really just not that big of a deal, while further down men will buy into female strategies and behaviors like slut shaming and so on, out of insecurity and a way of passive aggressively trying to deal with competition.
hohamocha 10y ago
Porn stars tend to have very short lived marriages.
if it came from self-doubt and insecurity, these men would have just not had sex with these said sluts. Is it truly insecurity to be wary of who you try to tie up your assets and have kids with? of course not. Its a strategy.
So you are telling me that male porn stars are the most alpha men in the world? Alphaness resides in power. And throughout history, the most powerful men have preferred virgins. And using porn stars is not a great example of men making great decisions because, these men, after all, have thrown away their whole life and social status for the pussy.
So you are telling me that dealing with competition can't be done through just spinning these women as plates (as most Redpill men do), but can only be done through marrying them?
MagicGainbow 10y ago
Word, just watch the Louis Theroux documentary, nobody wants to seriously date a porn star, male or female really.
altmyalt 10y ago
Slut shaming is a female trick - the idea to make men think pussy is really valuable and that sex is scarce.
Which leads to men being insecure about a thing that they think is really valuable.
No, the preference for virginity is a female trick - designed to make men think pussy is really valuable and scarce and a powerful man isn't intimidated by other men.
No, I'm saying that men will also slut shame, even though its a female behaviour - the benefits them because it will make it less likely that he will be left for a more attractive man, or will be cheated on with a more attractive man - this is rooted in insecurity and the illusion that pussy is something valuable and scarce.
hohamocha 10y ago
It's no trick. You would be comfortable for the mother of your children to have shown enough lack of self control to have had ridden the carousel? The question isn't about the worth of pussy but rather about the worth of the owner of the pussy.
Not a question of initimidation, but one of worth. Sluts don't make good mothers, nor homemakers. The lack of commitment they have is a major issue and their is statistics showing that the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely she will ensue divorce. Powerful men know of the worth of sluts, which is why they are cautious and selective.
What you see as insecurity otherness see as caution. A woman leaving for another man can tear apart a well established family. I'll give you the divorce-sex partner stats tomorrow, because I'm about to sleep. But generally, more promiscuous women tend to have trouble keeping commitment to one man, as another better man pops up.
altmyalt 10y ago
Its a trick, that men bought into.
http://www.austin-institute.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Cultural-Suppression-of-Female-Sexuality.pdf
You are describing fears and insecurities about an investment, anyhow commitment is also a woman's game, that men bought in to.
They manipulated things in such a way through slut shaming and the illusion of scarcity that average men actually started to believe that a pussy was worth a life time of commitment and toil.
hohamocha 10y ago
So you are saying that you would not be cautious about an investment you make, and make sure out of every way that that investment does not turn sour and destroy things for you? If you see insecurity as the same definition as my cautiousness, then I would deem insecurity to be a good thing, especially in this case.
Slut shaming nowadays is considered bad in the mainstream. Yet, not all men are getting laid and the 80/20 percent rule persists. In reality pussy has always been a scarcity for me. I believe there that there was a study posted on here at TRP that showed that only 6% of the males had reproductive success/ had sex throughout history through DNA study. For every 17 women reproducing, only one man was successful in reproducing. Pussy was a scarcity, until patriarchy took over and guaranteed every man a wife/ pussy and chance for successful reproduction. And now, since women have reverted to their natural promiscuity, pussy is available for a few men, but scarce for the rest, at least until they get to have the hand-me-downs. And that's because marriage it self isn't dead yet. If the concept of marriage was gone from a woman's mind, I guarantee that pussy would be totally scarce for most men.
And either way, your study proved that curbing women's promiscuity brought about the advent of civilization. In other words, it is probably the best and most worthy thing that men have done to this day, because we would have still been primates living in the jungle if it hadn't been done, and we wouldn't have all this wonderful technology we all seem to take for granted. I'm going to use your paper for my next post. Thanks for showing me it. But, if male control is a legitimate theory (which it is), How can men buy into a trick that they themselves have created purposefully?
altmyalt 10y ago
According to the study, men didn't curb women's promiscuity, it says women did it on order to exploit men and artificially inflate the value of pussy in the minds of men.
Prostitution and sex had the be curbed in order to starve men enough and to the point they started to actually believe that one pussy was worth a lifetime of commitment and toil. Women shamed each other for "giving it away" in order to artificially inflate the price.
The evidence doesn't support that theory.
Women created it, mangina's and white knights enforced it through religion, men bought into it, other men profited from it.
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hohamocha 10y ago
The article you posted isn't a study, but rather a bunch of theories, one which involves male control and the other involving female control.
Historically prostitution has been legal throughout most of he major empires, including the Ottoman Empire, Russian empire, and Japanese empire.
And even so, women can't have enforced control over promiscuity because when they were freed to do whatever they wanted after the female liberation bullshit, they pretty much slurred around and expected beta men to wife them up afterwards. In reality, it has always been the wise and logical judgement of men that has enabled the control over female promiscouity in order for good families to establish and social order to establish.
PrometheusLight 10y ago
It appears that there's something lacking in the discussion, which is that when women give their sex away, they give part of themselves away. Sometimes that part can grow back but sometimes it can't. Men have something like that too, which is that when they allow themselves to fall in love in a committed way, they give away a part of themselves which may take a while to grow back if it can be salvaged at all. I was a man slut in that way. I would throw my commitment at any girl who'd date me for longer than a month. I'd fall in love deeply. I was used for money more often than not. In fact, the last woman who used me like that admitted outright that she used me for money and was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. In other words, combined with her obvious excess of feminine hormones (obvious, big tits and curves) and complete lack of empathy making her a creature of pure instinct, I saw in her the ultimate and most selfish example of nature at work in a woman. Toward the end, I had the opportunity to read her diary as well. She had once slutted it up hard. She was mildly interested in me at first, and things might at least have led to a better place where I'd at least have gotten her sex. We came close to that, but that's when oneitis struck. My attitude toward her changed. I'd buy her presents out of the blue, send her cute loving texts, and I see now that at that moment I became a chump in her eyes, and that's when she really took advantage of me before dumping me. Another example was a previous relationship. She seemed honest in her love for me, but never gave me sex. I never "convinced" her. Again, we came damn close but at the moment I confessed my love for her it was over. After that, she became less affectionate over time until our year-long sexless relationship culminated in me crying, no, sobbing and wailing pitifully held in her then-emotionless, cold arms for about an hour. Those and similar experiences really took a toll on my ability to feel emotions at all, let alone love. I gave away my committed love far too freely and readily. In the same way, when women give their sex up too freely and readily they too become less able to love. I've healed over time and I know I can love again, but never again will I allow myself to fall for someone I'm not sure will truly love me back insofar as a woman can, and definitely not with a used up slut or before she's given me her body. I once thought men and women are the same. No. That was a mistake and both men and women suffer for making that mistake. A woman of healthy mind and body can't have sex without giving part of her self away. A man can. But on the opposite side a man can't give commitment emotionally without giving part of himself away. A woman can. Sluts of either kind are less likely to be able to commit on the innermost level, the only level that really counts. Of what good is it to marry someone who never stopped loving her first real alpha fuck? Unless you can beat him, which is almost impossible, have fun knowing deep down that you're hardly a man in your wife's eyes and that you'll never have her true love. I've had girls confess as much to me as friends about their current relationships. An extreme example, one who's 19 lost her virginity at 13. She told me she can only be in open "relationships" now. She still loves the "loser" who took her virginity and has been with 40 partners that she'd admit to. I hope no one has the misfortune of marrying her, someone who can't love, in a few years when she's past the wall. And just to fit the stereotype, she has 9 piercings on her face alone. Just don't get in serious relationships with girls like that. Girls with one or two face piercings might be doing it because their friends think it's cool. But shittons more means she's compensating for having torn herself apart. She's broken and no, you can't fix her Mr. Hero. Believe me. I, in my pre-RedPill ignorance, have tried.
absolucion 10y ago
The wife didn't volunteer this information at any point because she knew it would upset him and he wouldn't want to be with her. People are killing the husband because "it's all in the past." He's made decisions about his relationship with this woman based on a lack of information. I'm sure if the tables were turned, the angry mob would raise their pitchforks and attack the poster and not the wronged partner.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
"Sure, I've molested a few children, but that's in my past!"
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despoticVeracity 10y ago
What you need to realise is that TRP is made up of disillusioned nice guys. They were raised under a feminist media to pursue equality and be a 'good husband'. Many are angry that this doesn't work, and that the women both have their cake of the top 20%, and eat it too. They long for when it did work, back with traditional roles. At the same time, they've discovered how to take advantage of the situation. You end up with a loathing and embracing of circumstances. In theory, they'll move past the anger phase.
In terms of TRP as a whole, it teaches sexual theory and strategy. This means it speaks to what you can do to maximise your SMV. As it so happens, banging a lot of chicks isn't an issue for guys. Societally, people don't mind. Sure, some people are critical, but they're not anywhere near the majority. On the other hand, people do mind if a woman does, so it lowers her value. In this sense, TRP's hate of sluts is merely descriptive.
It can be indicative of other issues, such as mental illness, disease, stubbornness, etc.
There is a prescriptive element to it also. If you're looking for a traditional relationship with those structures, you want a traditional woman. If we consider the first paragraph, TRP men aren't happy about the situation here. They're just making the most of it. They'd rather just settle down into a 20th century marriage.
In regards to double standards, as I've said elsewhere, yeah. My criteria for sexual and emotional attraction are not symmetrical. I don't want to go out with myself, or even an idealised version of myself. Dicks are gross. Tits rock. Being in charge is great. Being dominated is not. Being provided for would be embarrassing and emasculating. Being a provider is empowering. These are all examples where there is asymmetrical attraction. Why is it wrong for me to have 'not promiscuous' as one of the standards?
Yeah, I have other women in my life. TRP doesn't hate all women who fuck a lot of men. It's just that it's not attractive for a relationship. It lowers their SMV. I'll fuck them, sure. I'll even be friends. But I won't marry or get into a relationship with them.
EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
Shut up and read the sidebar. Or fuck off. I'm good with either.
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KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
They were MMF threesomes, i.e., gangbangs.
Luckyluke23 10y ago
if this was me... id be like.. FUCK YEAH and high five her....
how can he get upset over something that happened 10 years ago... wouldn't it be better she HAS done these things?
when he does them with her at least she is experienced and knows what to do right?
MagicGainbow 10y ago
He didn't, that was part of the problem, she refused anal or him cumming on her (chances are she did both in her 3 somes).
despoticVeracity 10y ago
You're assuming that she is doing it with him, and that he wants to share his wife.
It sounds as though he's not quite as sex-positive as you. For him, it's not attractive. He wants different things to you.
I suspect you also have your limits as to what you'll accept from a partner's past. What about a class-wide bukkake? Regular, drug fuelled sex with fandoms in club toilets? Anal with a professor? Scat? Urination? Bestiality?
At a certain point, you'll say, "that is way too gross. I can't think of you the same. I feel who you are has been pulled out from under my feet." Once we get to that point, it's just a matter of degree. For him, the limit is regular MMF threesomes. For you, it's being DP'd by a dog and an old guy dressed up as Hitler while others in Klan suits line up to shit on her head.
Luckyluke23 10y ago
yeah, I can see what you are saying now.. i mean the guy has a vision of WHO is wife is. now she is doing all this kinky shit and he's like... WTF?
not to mention shes probs pissed she doesn't do shit for him in the bedroom.
btw this is GOLD... it's not that far but it is further from him. I guess what i was trying to say is, I wouldn't let someone's past ruin our future. though, when you go into details I guess everyone just has different limits to what they would except.
I mean, say you found out YOUR WIFE was caught sexually abusing children. How would you let that slide? What would happen you SHE had YOUR child? Could you trust her around Him / her?
I guess not, but What does this guy do now? divorce his wife becuse he found out she had a few 3somes back in the day?
pogiface 10y ago
Worst part about this is the shame the guy is going to feel knowing these other guys are talking about his wife and all the things they did to her and with her. Going out in public to the mall or grocery and hearing people talk about you has to be a horrible experience.
She didnt tell him before they married, why? because he probably wouldn't have married her! She knows this
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MgFeSi 10y ago
A woman telling a r/relationship her side of the story. Yeah, your definitely not getting the full story. The obvious follow up, what else in her past is going to devastate her husband. A girl doesn't just have 15 3somes and that's the only skeletons in the closet.
She says they have sex 3-4 times a week. So he's getting laid more than most of y'all.
Here's the thing though, this guy is now realizing his wife not only was promiscuous, but was a freaking slut. College years and excuses be damned. She may have changed. Doesn't matter. There's way more to this gal's story, and it ain't pretty.
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despoticVeracity 10y ago
Here's what she says in response to accusations of shooting down his 'attempts to broaden bedroom activities':
Maybe she's lying, but she's been honest about worse things, and has already accepted guilt. My money is, ironically enough, on her being honest about her sex life.
aguy01 10y ago
Her sexual limits include getting all her holes plugged by strange men. Her sexual limits -with him- are basic missionary.
Chuckit_ 10y ago
Yeah, that means she can remember having sex with him 3 times in one week at some point early in their relationship.
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She's lying. Women always lie about their sex life. Literally always. They never tell the truth. Either they exaggerate or make up complete BS. As someone else said that number is probably the max number, while her husband just found out she was taking double cumshots all the time.
johnnight 10y ago
It's a situation like with that wife-on-hidden-sex-tape guy all over again.
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MetacognitiveMan 10y ago
With that quote, she could be easily hiding that she is withholding from him. By limiting sex to just her likes and dislikes, she could very well be just allowing missionary.
I also bet 3-4 times a week is max per week and not average.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
This is exactly what I was thinking. Read that quote again:
That's what they all say. And I mean that literally; whenever we see a reddit post like this, where it's a woman looking for emotional (hamster) support, and she's questioned about the sex life at home, it's pretty much word for word this same shit. It's almost as if...a woman who lied to her husband, would be willing to lie to Reddit...
CarrotTrees 10y ago
you think people would just do that? Tell lies on the internet?
bsutansalt 10y ago
That's what my gut is telling me too. See also: the parable of Mark and Lauren.
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
The exact same lie, word for word.
It's like they take a class or something-
I would rather just be friends, you are a great guy and any girl would want to be with you,
just be yourself,
I have sex with my husband 3-4 times/week.
TheSKSpecial 10y ago
I don't normally do this with just anybody...
I didn't mean to do that, it just happened...
nomad-oz 10y ago
The born again virgin is a common stereotype. The slut that stops giving blow jobs and doing anal once she is married. She now considers these things disgusting and off the menu, at least for the husband.
I have been with a number of married women that happily got nasty kinky with me. They hide this side from their beta husbands. They know it is easier for the BB to slave away for a "good woman".
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isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Jesus, you just gave me an idea for a quick post. Mind if I quote your comment here?
nomad-oz 10y ago
Go ahead quote away. I look foward to your post
CryptoOrchid 10y ago
Either that or just as likely I'd say that they actually believe it. Even if they only have sex once a week and sometimes twice a week and sometimes skip a week entirely.. To them it's 3-4 times a week.
My money would be on no blow jobs for that guy though.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Well of course they do. That's what The Hamster is: a special gift of womanhood that allows her to believe her own bullshit.
CryptoOrchid 10y ago
I think though that sometimes they lie and know it's bullshit and sometimes they run that bullshit hamster so much they believe the lie to be true.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
In general, they always know they're bullshitting. In particular cases, they focus all their mental powers on believing it, and they do it.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
So she fucks the love of her life 3-4 times a week, but she let a bunch dudes rail her as often as they please?
I'm also willing to bet money that she let the other dudes fuck her up the ass and cum in her face.
So she gave the younger, hotter and kinkier version to some randoms but her fucking husband gets the boring pg-13 version.
Hope her husband wisens up leaves her lying ass.
CryptoOrchid 10y ago
I didn't read her story, was this just a boyfriend and a room mate? If so its not exactly an orgy.
I'd bet you're correct, but with anything, you try it to determine whether or not you are into it. I'd bet she tried anal and probably didn't get into it because the guy sucked at it. I can't fault her for that though. She could have tried anal with a past steady boyfriend and decided she didn't like it.
In cases like this, if the guy had wanted a virgin flower to experiment with and try new things with I feel both should have been more up front about their desires and past experiences. I can't imagine sexual history didn't come up in conversation. If she lied about her history that's ultra shitty on her part.
I think this is the same with anyone though. When you have a sexual history of any kind prior to a marriage, you develop your own likes and dislikes. That's the same if you are with one person for 5 years or 75 people in 5 years.
If she lied about her past, I think it's shitty. In this day and age where divorce is costly for the man though, I don't know how quick I'd be to suggest divorce over this (especially if he still loves her.)
Another odd thing I've noticed and this is just about myself that I'll put out there. I've had threesomes, two to be exact, and both with me and two women. As unfair as it seems to me, the thought of my wife fucking two guys at one time in a threesome makes me ill.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
I believe that in a relationship you should do alot of things that you don't really want to do, right? I eat my gf's pussy because I know it makes her happy even though I fucking hate it. It's give and take and from what I can tell she seems big on the taking part.
The fact that she won't even take cumshots or put up with anal is quite selfish and explains why her husband is so hurt about her past. She let other guys use her as they please, but she won't let her husband do the same?
The point is that she's obviously a selfish woman that manipulated the image of herself. In court a person can be charged with obstruction for withholding information. Even if she didn't lie to him the fact that she didn't let him in on such important information is wrong. This woman knew exactly what she was doing. She knew her husband wouldn't be okay with her getting railed by several guys but conveniently left this small detail out. If she honestly thought it wasn't a big deal then why wouldn't she tell him? Cause I can assure you she told him all about the cute stories of her childhood or all her favourite disney movies. The gangbangs however didn't quite fit this narrative so she hid them.
Btw I'm not judging her for being a slut. I used to date this lovely girl that had gotten dp'd by 2 guys but I couldn't care less about it. She was honest about her past and gave me her full past.
CryptoOrchid 10y ago
Yeah.. Good point. Actually... Excellent point. I really didn't think about it that way. And funny thing is I live that myself, but didn't think about it that way lol.
Yeah.. Ok goes with other point I suppose.
Agreed as well.. If she purposely his this, I feel that's inexcusable.
Yeah.. I've been in threesomes, and if my wife had in her past, I don't think it'd be that big of a deal to me. Thinking of her doing that now though is very different for me.
Much appreciate your reply and the perspective.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Thanks bro, you have a very balanced and healthy perspective on the subject so I appreciate your views aswell.
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bsutansalt 10y ago
Good catch. She's not sorry about anything. She's sorry she got caught is all and that's why she's pissed at the ex friend. Female primacy in living color with that one.
foldpak111 10y ago
"It was a hedonistic "live for today" lifestyle that I thankfully grew out of."
*thrown out of
AugmentedFury 10y ago
I wouldn't be able to look at her the same way again.
I'd probably see her as a hole that every guy has used.
totorox 10y ago
That's what her husband said : "I can't even look at you right now".
foomfoomfoom 10y ago
Words you will never hear out of the femanine collective: "This should be a warning. We need to make sure that the younger generation doesn't make the same choices we did, because apparently some things from your past you can't live down."
bsutansalt 10y ago
And just like clockwork my comment was removed.
Speaking of the Parable of Mark and Lauren, here's the thread I made about it a while back:
/r/TheRedPill/comments/2qdfap/the_parable_of_mark_and_lauren/
user_none 10y ago
Good comment you added and would have likely stayed if the next to the last paragraph was changed to non-direct RP terminology.
The first rule is...
slothsenpai 10y ago
I can very well understand people's aversion towards sluts though the concept of the woman having a promiscuous past is somewhat of a grey area for me. We've all done stupid shit when we were younger and as humans, we progress, learn and reform the older we get. At what line do we draw the amount of times a girl has to sleep or date someone before she's a used up cum dumpster? Everyone still has sexual needs and as for having multiple boyfriends, you're not gonna find your perfect soul mate first time round.
I know it may seem like an unpopular opinion but just as long as they hasn't hit the wall (the type who'd reject me at their prime), who has a lust for bad boys, has settled for second best or doesn't make me work for sex whilst giving it away easily to other guys, aren't prone to cheat, then maybe I may overlook their past. It'd set their RMV (relationship market value) back no doubt but I don't think it'd be completely too late in my books unless they prove themselves worthy.
AdamWillis 10y ago
Your second paragraph is the main concern I would have. If she was giving it up easy and then decided to change her ways because she hit a wall or maybe she found you and realized she couldn't maintain, then IMHO, she still has that threesome person inside of her and she hasn't changed because she saw the light but instead because she had too. Also, as a guy who hasn't experienced a threesome, I think internally I would always wonder what that would be like and question if she is missing that sort of thing since I'm lacking that experience and I wouldn't be able to relate.
cover20 10y ago
You're basically making an argument that she isn't a terrible human being and it would be mean to dump her.
Well it's not his job to evaluate whether she is a terrible human being, just whether he WANTS to remain married to her and perhaps have kids. (But 5 years and no kids hints at fertility issues -- maybe caused by all the partying?)
It's simply a chance for him to reevaluate and terminate the deal if it no longer suits him, taking everyhing into account now: her current age, current fertility, his currently greater SMV, etc. Surely you would not deny him this, having been tricked into staying with her this long by the lie!
macsenscam 10y ago
I guess people figure that a girl who was willing to have threesomes is more likely to cheat. I imagine it depends on the individual though, I would be more concerned if she had actually cheated in the past. I don't see anything morally wrong with threesomes either, but if the hubby really can't take it then it's his perogative.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
The more sexual partners a woman has before marriage, the higher the chance of the marriage ending in divorce is. That is pure unbiased numbers.
Take that as you will. But the facts don't agree with the soul searching yolo narrative that many people seem to push these days.
NikahPlease 10y ago
What are your statistics on the first claim?
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
http://waitingtillmarriage.org/study-definite-link-between-premarital-sex-cohabitation-and-divorce/
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/focus-findings/marriage/premarital-sex-and-divorce.aspx
Just two quick ones. There's plenty of info about this specifically out there, again, you don't really hear about it because it isn't PC.
NikahPlease 10y ago
Hmm, I don't know. Sites sound kind of biased to me. It doesn't say anything about how MANY sexual partners (multiple partners? How many?) and the correlation with divorce but just whether if premarital sex has been had and that correlation with divorce. Like 90-95% of all people engage in premarital sex in the West, and what seems to split couples apart according to this study is ''young age, less education, less income''... you have to look and see if sexual promiscuity = worse social background if you are to make a link between promiscuity and divorces.
But yeah the second link was definitely interesting I guess.
soitcause 10y ago
Eh, we don't know shit about her total number of partners given that she described these experiences as being with her ex and her ex's friend; it's possible that she has had < 10 partners. Particularly given that she started seeing her husband when she was 26, this doesn't really go well with the "fuck everyone then pick a "safe" guy after you start panicking narrative that people are after.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
If a girl is having threesomes, it's better to err on the side of caution and say her count is higher than 10…
Not like most girls would even be down for a threesome.
soitcause 10y ago
Most girls are hesitant about threesomes because they're either the unicorn (and thus feel "used") or because they feel uncomfortable involving another person in their sex life with their SO (anxiety, insecurity, making them question their previous feelings, etc); given the "right" context and a partner whose chill with it, you'd be surprised how many go for it. Granted American culture is pretty sex-negative/tells women to be ashamed about this kinda thing, so there are probably fewer women here who could/would enjoy it than in some other cultures, but I digress.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
I don't know what world you live in, but American culture is definitely not sex negative, at least not now a days. Post third wave sexuality, especially female sexuality is celebrated.
This is both a good and a bad thing, depending on how you choose to use it.
-Tyler_Durden- 10y ago
It is best to assume every woman you are considering to promote to LTR has a more sordid past than this one. This woman's history is mild compared to most "liberated" women. Remember, every new woman that you meet should be considered a slut by default.
What was revealed is that she had a sexual relationship with two men in college 15 times; she didn't have 15 threesomes with 30 different men. But, women like to use trickle truth and I doubt that this is the end of her story.
max_peenor 10y ago
Correct answer. She is clearly ashamed of what she did, because she didn't want anyone to know. She knows it lowers her value. She is NOT a different woman. She just has different capabilities and priorities. There is no way he knows the whole CC story.
NilacTheGrim 10y ago
Yeah I think the sanest thing you can do is assume they are all much sluttier than you. In fact, if you go on that assumption, a lot of your behavior will generally get sex out of them faster. You'll bring out their inner slut. I know the "sluttier" I've become as a male, the more I found even the normal-seeming women around me were actual huge sluts. It's like they realized I'm turned on by sluttiness, and they let their inner slut out.
Your best bet is to be ok with sluttiness, expect it, and then they will detect that and not really have a huge reason to lie to you about it. Oh, they'll still lie to you about most of it, but at least you won't care either way.
And if a woman's hot enough and smart enough and devoted enough I usually don't care if she was a major slut. Problem is, the huge sluts often have other problems and do often suffer from Alpha Widow syndrome...
babydocnorman 10y ago
Great post. The scary thing about this story is that if hubby didn't have this conversation with his wife's friend, he may never have found out that his wife was a mega slut.
Illustrates a few points.
When screening for LTRs, assume that every woman who attended college and/or is past her early 20s slutted it up. There are some who didn't, but they are the exceptions. Guilty until proven innocent.
Never ask a women directly about her past. They all lie, especially if they see you as boyfriend material and they definitely won't volunteer this information. The best source of intel is her friends, especially those who are single. Women have a built in jealous streak and will sabotage their "friend's" relationship in a heartbeat. Exploiting this is a great way to uncover skeletons in a womans' closet.
The best way to innoculate yourself against shit like this is to slut it up yourself before you even think about settling down. At the very least, this will sharpen your slut radar.
Hopefully they don't have kids yet. If not, hubby should drop her like a bad habit.
macsenscam 10y ago
Why would you divorce your wife just because she had threesomes over a decade ago?
cover20 10y ago
Maybe there were problems already to his thinking, and this pushes things over the edge. It could explain if she's having fertility problems (2 years married, no pregnancy yet) and if he wants kids he should probably look elsewhere.
And if he's sort of unhappy, she's getting older, but he's staying because he promised, now he has a right to reevaluate.
Moldy_Gecko 10y ago
That she neglected to tell you about. It's like selling a knock off watch as the real thing. Would you ask for a refund after you found out it was a knock off?
macsenscam 10y ago
I would assume it was a used watch if it was older than 20 yrs.
Moldy_Gecko 10y ago
Then you didn't vet it properly
Robdogx9001 10y ago
What else is she hiding? And why isn't she extending those same erotic acts to her husband?
macsenscam 10y ago
I'm sure she's hiding plenty of embarrassing things as most people are. She probably isn't giving him threesomes because she's not into that anymore, besides who needs another dick?
NikahPlease 10y ago
We live about 80 years on this Earth. Why worry so much about someone's past? Many just view college is a time to let loose, be free. To a now-married woman with a sluttier past, this might just be the way she views it. Might've just not been a big deal to her but she keeps it secret because she knows that her man will overreact. It's worse if someone had a history of cheating imo, that speaks way louder as that shows that you didn't have any respect at that time for your BF's/GF's. Still may change your ways though. But what's the harm in consensual sex purely for fun, between single people? This is how people may view it.
She might not want threesomes because she knows it was a mistake or being afraid of the risks of STDs, afraid to become jealous/have her husband become jealous or she just views it as cheating.
Edit: Don't really understand why I'm being downvoted. I'm trying to be respectful, showing another perspective of it.
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This isn't one of those subreddits where there is an open forum of discussion about these topics. Read the sidebar before you comment. On this subreddit we strictly adhere to the philosophy and science underlying the concepts of female hypergamy and sexual strategy.
You're being downvoted because you clearly have NOT read the sidebar before commenting, which is a big no-no around here. For example, you are overlooking the simple concept that women who sleep around a lot in their youth experience a tremendous drop in SMV and thus are entering relationships based on lies and dishonesty with guys who think that they were good girls with a high SMV. Women who sleep around with many partners are much more statistically likely to not be able to stay committed in a relationship. Once they know what is out there, they get bored with one guy. When the guy like that woman's husband gets married to a girl like her, he has tied his hands up with a girl who kept very important information (in the context of a relationship/marriage) away from him that has real potential consequences for him in the future, in terms of how it will last and if it will last.
cover20 10y ago
Why should he spend the next 45 years with a woman who did that, if it bothers him?
NikahPlease 10y ago
Of course he doesn't have to stay with her if he doesn't want to! But to assume that everyone who has had a threesome ten years ago cannot be trusted is being quite paranoid IMO, and since it's a marriage we're talking about they should try to work it out first (once the husband has calmed down). And it seems like this subject just didn't come up in OP's marriage.
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The harm is that a man likely won't want to commit to the town pump - as shown by the husband in this story. A woman having drug fueled threesomes isn't hurting anyone - she's hurting her future desirability.
In other words, she knows that her slutty past reduces her desirability as a wife, so she does her best to keep it secret.
NikahPlease 10y ago
It'd be interesting to see the reactions if the genders were reversed, a man had had a threesome with his ex gf and another girl in college, he changed his ways and then his wife had found out. Would you call him a slut and town pump then? Her boyfriend at the time obviously was okay with it, it's way sluttier to cheat on someone for sex. Unpopular opinion, I guess... but that's just society for you.
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Sluts & Studs: Why Promiscuity is Acceptable for Men and Not Women. Men and women are different, honey. Most men don't want to give their commitment to a promiscuous woman - all other factors being equal they'd prefer a woman who's had fewer cocks inside her. Women on the other hand have a preference for preselection in men - women want the men that other women want. A woman who manages to nail down a high SMV player is going to be the envy of her peers, a man who puts a ring on a whore's finger is a laughingstock.
You fantasize that a plain Jane wife would be horrified to learn of a husband's past having threesomes with hot women, but in reality the reaction would at worst be fear that Hubby would leave her bland ass. Those hookers got a temporary taste of his dick but she got his commitment - something far more valuable.
NikahPlease 10y ago
It's mentioning biological reasons. But just fyi, men benefit from monogamy too. Women too benefit from monogamy if the one she has sex with is stable and can provide resources, but also benefits from having sex with different men as having sex with a man of a very different genetic 'pool' reduces the risk of diseases being carried on to the child.That's how I came to the conclusion that both men and women benefit from having sex with many AND monogamy. We're actually not that different in that sense.
BY the way, the source you gave. It said that one or two was the most attractive. If women really wanted what all men want, it would've been a number of 5, wouldn't it? But the ones in the study said that they wanted one who had had 1-2. Also, it was a sample size of 123..
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Beta men benefit from monogamy, because it more or less guarantees them a woman. Post wall/post CC women benefit from monogamy because it gives them a backup plan after they fail to secure an alpha male.
The top 20% of men benefit from women slutting it up because it more or less guarantees that they will have plenty of strange. Women don't tend to benefit in the long term from being sluts, for reasons that I don't have time to go into here. Go search TRP for "alpha widow" for more information.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
Why would woman marry a philanderer when she'll end up as a single mother?
Stop defending promiscuity man.Its shit both ways
NikahPlease 10y ago
So basically, want their cake and eat it too? Have sex as much as they want, then expect a monogamous woman? That is, if these 20% of men want a woman with a low count.
I don't know... seems like hypocrisy to me. Why is the number of partners indicative of commitment in a woman, and not indicative of commitment in men?
But I guess you kind of answered that with the ''beta men benefit from monogamy'' so thanks.
dogellionaire 10y ago
no shit. "oh by the way, i know i should probably have told you this before you married me, but i actually used to be a massive cockslut. that's probably why my old friends from college always look at you with a smirk during social events. anyway, what do you want for dinner ?"
Movonnow 10y ago
"and we are not having sex tonight, you know I don't like it that much".
Samantha_Simpson 10y ago
I grew up in a very traditional culture/household, so as a college student in the U.S. now I'm still shocked at how loose many of my peers seem to be concerning this matter. My parents often warned me that any high-value man worth marrying would do a thorough background check on me before committing, so I made sure to keep my record clean. If I were a man, I'd also want to do the same thing for any potential relationship partners. It's possible that many of my female peers simply aren't aware of this due to being raised with much more liberal attitudes, but if they just thought about it, they'd find that what they're doing now doesn't make much sense if they want a long-term relationship in the future.
aguy01 10y ago
I think the right attitude for a parent is "I'll love you no matter what, and you can do what you want, but you should know that these are the consequences to being promiscuous".
Instead parents turn it into a taboo and the kids get their direction from their peers and the media.
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real-boethius 10y ago
And she's totally changed, as in
Still drinking to excess.
Still hanging around with people who have no discretion.
Still hanging around with people from the bad old days she's totally moved on from.
thedude122487 10y ago
Her friend knew exactly what she was doing. She was being a total bro by telling hubby
real-boethius 10y ago
... depending on whose friend she is.
Also: it seems she could have done it more discreetly. I tend to agree with the ulterior motive theory.
Sometimes women do this sort of thing to create drama and mayhem for the sheer fun of it.
makethemsayayy 10y ago
Probably had an ulterior motive (i.e. she was single and jealous)
ohsnapt 10y ago
this confuses me. This shaming promiscuity, even when it happened in the past. He didn't even know her yet! WHy does she have to apologize for something that happened in the distant past? They weren't dating, she didn't cheat, etc etc. Do you apologize to your wife for the candy bar you stole when you were ten? No. Because it's none of her fucking business.
And if you are trying to get women to fuck you, why are you shaming promiscuity?
If it happened last week, different story. If we all had to apologize for things we did in college...... in summary that is fucking stupid.
All this is: insecure dude who didn't have drug fueled threesomes in college. He wouldn't be jealous if he got his in the same way
despoticVeracity 10y ago
She doesn't have to apologise for what she did in college; it's not morally or ethically reprehensible. Nor, from a strict interpretation of 'honesty' does she have to tell him.
One's sexual past does, however, impact how others view them. She knew it would affect his view of her, thus she intentionally concealed it from him. This is a double whammy for him. Firstly, her history affects his image and understanding of her. Secondly, she's shown that she operates at the bare minimum standards of honesty, revealing what she knows he cares about only when he asks.
Regarding fucking women and shaming promiscuity, there are a few points:
Firstly, it's not a rational, calculated decision. If I got to choose who I was attracted to, I'd be bi and attracted to ugly people with an education and well-paying job. As it so happens, I'm attracted to girls who don't have drug fuelled threesomes.
In a similar vein, you have your limits too, I'd wager. Would you be happy about your GF being DP'd by a dog and an old guy while men and women in Klan suits line up to defecate on her head? I imagine not. Your limit of the point where you get repulsed is just a bit more liberal than others'.
Secondly, I don't have to be attracted to the same traits that I see in myself. I don't want to go out with myself. I have a dick, but for her to have one would be a deal breaker. I want to be lead, not follow. I want her to have long hair, while I have short. And so on. Attraction is asymmetrical.
ohsnapt 10y ago
Yeah but that's what I'm saying. Why should one's sexual past impact how others view them? I want a woman who is a freak in bed, and has self confidence, and the only way she (or i) are likely to get those are by having sex with people throughout our lives.
You don't say "You used to be an alcoholic, therefore we can never date" No there is a sense that one has beaten their alcoholism, and is to no longer be regarded as a junkie deadbeat fool.
It just seems to come back to the idea of the "unspoiled virgin" or whatever, and that shit is naive, if we are to look at the amount of offers hot ladies receive starting at age 16.
Lol at your examples though, yes there should not be any klan hoods or dogs in my lady's sexual past!
On a similar note:
I read an interesting post in /r/relationships about a lady who's husband found out she was super promiscuous in the past. She realized he had only banged one other woman and had oral a few times. She burst out laughing, could not believe it, she was probably in the triple digits. He was resentful, judging her past.
Why? Because he compared it himself, his own (lack of a) past. Sure maybe that woman was a little extreme, but if he were confident in his sexing, with a long past of banging, he wouldn't be so threatened by it I expect. He just suddenly realized she was out of his league.
totorox 10y ago
are you reading yourself? what about prostitution? rape? murder? torture? child molestation? necrophilia? beastiality? satanic ritual abuse? vampirism? cannibalism? shall I stop there?
So you're just drawing the line beyond that, not before that. But you draw your line. Remember OP is MARRIED. What if you had taken a lifelong commitment to some girl who then turns out to be someone who had practiced one of the things I listed above, which you hopefully see as way beyond your line?
Yes I do. You can never date in full disclosure someone who doesn't want alcoholics in his/her life. Alcoholism is lifelong.
AA disagree. It is never beaten. That's what alcoholism is. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Same with being promiscuous.
You seem to believe that the more sexual partners a man or a woman has had, the more value he or she has. That only works for men. Women's value decreases with their number of partners: not their value as sluts or whores mind you, but as wives.
But to be clear even sluts and whores are more valuable when they're fresh, just check the porn industry.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
You're asking for the reasoning behind why they feel what they do. I can make guesses, but the reasoning behind an emotion is ultimately not all that significant. Logically, it doesn't really matter that my lady took it up the butt from Fido. I mean, she's still the same gal as before I found out. But it matters to me.
Anyway, here are the reasons:
Her role in the SMV marketplace is to trade her sex for others' commitment. If she trades her sex freely, that implies it's not worth much. Similarly, men who are quick to give commitment (beta orbiters) devalue it. Just as a beta is an unattractive sexual partner, a promiscuous woman is an unattractive commitment partner.
Society at large follows the above paradigm. Reputations are harmed if your wife is found to be the village bicycle.
Anger at the idea that you're the backup plan, the betabux she settles for once she can't have threesomes with alphas.
Similarly, anger that you've paid the highest price for something others got for free.
Jealousy and anger that while she was happy to give it to others in her prime, she didn't give it to you.
Any sexual discontent in the relationship will bring up the question, 'what did they have that you don't?'
She'll be more likely to compare you to others (in the top 20%), which in turn lowers your SMV to her.
I reiterate: you can't logic away these feelings or this dynamic. You can shame it into submission, but it's still there, just like your preference for your girl to be k9-free.
ohsnapt 10y ago
Statistically speaking, the odds of fucking a dog are much lower than a threesome, nit really a good comparison.
She is operating under a male smv paradigm. Compared objectively she is winning at that male paradigm. Not only winning but slam dunking over his head. You can pretend its not that way... but it is
He obviously didnt have any threesomes in college, because if he did, he would not be in a position to judge.... and yet he is judging
despoticVeracity 10y ago
You can't distinguish it on the basis of probability without setting an arbitrary threshold of probability where it's 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable'. Once you do that, you've acknowledged that 'sometimes the past isn't the past' and 'it's up to each individual person to define their own threshold'.
You also can't attempt to pin it to an objective standard of disgust, because there are people who would be okay with bestiality or scat in a partner's past. To them it may be water under the bridge. Who are you to tell them that they're wrong, and should be disgusted?
Perhaps if he had a threesome, he wouldn't judge. But you're assuming he wants one, and wouldn't be disgusted at the prospect. If we return to the Fido example, if both you and your lady take it from him, you can't judge her. But that doesn't imply that when she has and you haven't, the reason for your disgust is envy.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
/r/relationships also advocated a woman's choice of hiding her incestual relationship with brother from her husband b'cuz 'nothing good will come of it'.
Female sexuality was repressed for centuries but now everyone is realizing how filthy majority of them are.Jesus ! Defending threesomes? Really?
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NikahPlease 10y ago
What do you feel about men having threesomes?
GoldPisseR 10y ago
They aren't eligible for monogamy as well.
Seriously, if you want to spend 70% of your life with one person , why not make him/her your ultmate fantasy?
Nyctor 10y ago
What's wrong with a threesome between 3 consensual people? If a dude gets to bang two chicks at once and they'll happy then keep up the party. If a chick wants two dudes it's "indefensible"? What is this puritanical stance in regards to sex I'm seeing in this thread?
BitchyMaleWhite 10y ago
Because obviously the husband is repulsed by it. He probably never had a threesome before. She probably is very vanilla in their sex life. She said she won't do anal or let the husband cum on her face but she will let two dudes fuck her at the same time. She also kept this from her husband for many years and he finally found out years after they got married. She wasn't honest with him and he is now disgusted with her. Thats what is wrong with threesomes in this particular instance.
Nyctor 10y ago
Sure, i get that. GoldPissR's comment sounded more directed towards threesomes in general and considering the act indefensible. Maybe misreading on my part.
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Nothing wrong with threesomes. A lot of things wrong with doing them and not being open to husband about them or about doing them in the present (or other kinky stuff). The crime isn't that she did that, it's that she got her cake and tried eating it too - if you are going to fuck a thousand dudes and do kinky ass shit when you're 23, then by that standard your SMV drops and you don't get to get your beta bucks too by tricking a good guy into marrying you on a false premise. Hopefully I'm conveying my point well to you - she should marry a guy who is cool with his wife having been a huge slut in the past; instead she picked up someone of higher SMV who isn't and that's not fair to him.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
You'd goddam better be doing kinky ass shit with the man you profess to love above all others.
ahugecat 10y ago
Well at least they weren't MFF threesomes. I have broken up with a girl because she gave her previous partner MFF threesomes but wouldn't do them with me. I like no contacted her right away.
cover20 10y ago
I think I'd rather that the girl was in an MFF half-fucking one guy, than an MMF fucking 2 guys.
ahugecat 10y ago
Really? I wouldn't get jealous at all if she did an MMF... it'd be nasty for sure but meh. On the other hand, if she did an MFF that's like porno status and didn't do it with me I'd be jealous as hell.
It should be someone judges a woman's (or even a man's) past based on what she would do now. If she did anal in the past but wouldn't do it with me - next. But if she did anal before and does it with me freely then hell yeah (assuming she didn't do it with like 15 guys and is disease free).
Areimanes 10y ago
On a scale of bad to worse, it's MFF->MFM. The mental image of seeing your wife/girlfriend spit roasted like a whore isn't something I could ever get out of my mind.
Then again, I'm probably not emotional mature enough to handle a Real Woman ^TM.
ahugecat 10y ago
I guess I am more of the jealous type. The MFM mainly benefited her, it was for her pleasure. On the other hand an MFF is the man's ultimate pleasure.
If a woman told me she did an MFM and never wanted to do one with me, I'd be totally OK with that. I don't want to be near another naked man anyway.
Limekill 10y ago
The point is that if she is willing to do that with another guy and not u - who is the chump???
NikahPlease 10y ago
Should you not be allowed to change your ways? Perhaps she just didn't like sharing you, or had a bad experience.
ahugecat 10y ago
You know I thought about that. But then I have asked many women "If a guy took his ex to five star restaurants, but only you to McDonald's, what would you reaction be?" Most would question it and feel uncomfortable about it, wondering if they were good enough.
She gave the ULTIMATE pleasure to another man..... if she doesn't do it with me then she doesn't respect me. (This is assuming she's never done it before)
NikahPlease 10y ago
Well, I actually like both McDonald's and expensive food so it wouldn't matter to me haha. Also, might be of financial reasons. Food is food. I'd be more worried if a guy had been very affectionate to his ex but not affectionate to me at all, but taking someone out to fancy places doesn't have to be an indicator of how much someone loves you. Then that's just me.
Well, don't know for sure if this was an ultimate pleasure to this man. We all view things differently. To someone, having threesomes in a relationship is okay but once in marriage you want full monogamy. Or you just really care more about your husband or wife than anyone else you've been in a relationship with. It doesn't have to be a matter of not wanting to please your current one, but about intimacy.
ahugecat 10y ago
Oh yeah the stipulation was the guy was making just as much money.
It's not just about buying someone's love. It basically means that man would view her as worthy of only McDonald's (which barely qualifies as food) when the man would give his ex the best food in the city. She'd have a right to be jealous and/or questioning him about it.
If she gave me a threesome, I would not have cared about her past. But since she didn't she basically viewed me as a lower individual. She even told me it was "like a porno" and then said "I prefer to be monogamous now." We were dating for a few months, but I couldn't handle her giving some other guy a double BJ while I get the boring missionary sex. Intimacy is great and all but so is fun and pleasure.
NikahPlease 10y ago
Yeah. It's completely within your rights to end a relationship if you're not satisfied with your sex life or out of disappointment. But it doesn't mean that she viewed you as less, doesn't have to be that way at all! People can get randomly possessive sometimes. Her saying that ''it was like a porno'' might also have meant that she felt really freaking dirty doing it, even though that there are loads (pun intended) of people out there who'd rather love it, lol.
However, you clearly know her more than I do so little do I know. Anyway, appreciate your explaining.
ahugecat 10y ago
I think she did view me as less. I don't think I was being possessive, I just felt if she gave a man previously the ultimate pleasure she should do it for me.
When she said it was like a porno she meant like it was performed like one: tongues all over the head, kissing up and down at the same time, balls in one mouth and penis in the other, etc. etc. After the convo was ending I was like "Would you have a threesome with me?" she was like "No I am monogamous now" so I nexted her so hard. If she would have said "If we find the right girl" I would have been cool with it.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
Easy way to tell: would she say that to [hot male celebrity]? Oh, she'd scour the earth to find a girl to do a 3 way with Zac Efron, but an instant, no hesitation refusal for you? There's your answer.
Limekill 10y ago
But she does view u as less. So it is that way.
For example I have a plate who dislikes giving me bj, but gave her bf bjs. Now I -know- she thinks less of me than her bf (even though she says it was a mistake, etc). But she is giving me some additional benefits including overseas advantages plus shes very easy to hang around with so I put up. But let's stop the bs - if you will not do what you've done with other guys then u view me as less. Period. (I could up my smv with this girl very easily but I don't want to wife her or gf her, let alone a ltr).
NikahPlease 10y ago
(The one who commented before me isn't the one I'm referring to, btw.)
''If you will not do what you've done with other guys then u view me as less'' Oh. And what if you didn't like what you did with previous boyfriends? People change for good or worse, for many their younger years consist of exploring new things and finding themselves (seeing what they'll like). And if they found out that threesomes wasn't their thing, that's completely fine. Threesomes also have the risk of STDs. Or, maybe doesn't like the idea of sharing you. Why she had it with her ex might be because their relationship was more casual, maybe she didn't care much about him etc in the sense that she didn't feel jealousy but with her present one, she views him as so much more and does feel jealousy when he's around other girls. Maybe the girl was pressured into it by her boyfriend or simply just wanted to see what it was like.
It all really depends. There are some people who don't want to engage in threesomes solely because they think less of their current partner, but there are also plenty of reasons being how people change throughout the years and every relationship is different.
With all due respect, What the heck is a plate?, lol.
Limekill 10y ago
If you didn't like doing it, why are u doing it then? I mean this girl has threesome x15. I don't think you need to try something 15 to discover you don't like it. I mean I've never felt the need to electrocute myself 15 times to discover electricity running through your body suxs ass.
And if she is fucking other guys that's she's not into - why is she screwing them in the first place? If she can be with someone she has no feelings for she could do the same in a marriage.
People change a lot less than you think. That is even acknowledged by AA. Once an addict always an addict.
As for the request for a lesson. I'm not your personal educator. I suggest you leave her and go read RP Women, because that forum is for you and this forum is not.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
From the circus act of spinning plates. The performer spins as many plates as he can until one falls down. A woman that you will never wife up or go exclusive with is a plate.
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Who cares. The guy has balls he will dump her. If not he pusses out.
el_chief 10y ago
I've got a no "spit-roast" and "air tight" rule for relationships. Husband is a loser for being dumb enough to get married in the first place, so who cares?
M4rkyboy 10y ago
Sweet Jesus,i'm kinda new to Reddit and i am only just starting to get into the various subreddits but stumbling upon r/relationships was staggering.
I take it this is a female dominated subreddit?
The posts and comments are quite shocking to me.
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Proxy self-justifiers and their BP enablers.
Azzmo 10y ago
/r/relationships is largely used by lonely, angry people. There is an anti-male bias but I don't think that's nearly the largest problem. Users go to that subreddit not to offer objective advice or to help people, but to derive vicarious thrills from the drama of other peoples' mistakes and pain.
Their greatest crime, though, is that they often offer broken people advice designed to make the situation worse (all for that dopamine hit of causing more drama). It's one of the most disgusting places on the internet in my opinion because, while there are white supremacist and female supremacist and drama-mongering places where people circle jerk, at least they're honest about what they're doing. /r/relationships is like a therapist who actively tries to make their client's life worse.
[deleted] 10y ago
Not necessarily female dominated but progressively dominated. The younger generation is 'super liberal progressive' and 'everyone deserves to be free and not be judged and being openly sexual is okay and it's misogynist to shame sluts' and all that bull shit. That subreddit is absolutely full of those kind of people. They are the opposite of this subreddit.
babydocnorman 10y ago
It's the Maury Show of reddit
despoticVeracity 10y ago
Check out /r/relationship_advice and /r/sex for a good time too.
Not sure about gender balance, but it's pretty solidly BP.
M4rkyboy 10y ago
Man,these are even worse.Just a load of people looking to justify their shitty behaviour.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
"But that's not who I am now!"
Lol ok. Go find a chump that doesn't want that. Go on. I'm sure there's a special snowflake out there that matches you. Meanwhile, I've got a drug and alcohol fueled 3-way with two girls you hate in the pipeline.
I'm just not sexually compatible with who you are now.
JeromeMorrow13 10y ago
The old trickle truth. Old as time itself. Also, for the record, MFF is a threesome, MMF is a gang bang.
This guy has no choice. He has to cut his losses and move on. There is no sense throwing good money after bad.
How would you be able to reconcile the fact the mother of your children, your heirs, was the same woman who was double-penetrated by two dudes while strung out on blow?
Presumably, the guy has no children yet. He should pull the eject handle while still over friendly territory, lest he wants to be tortured to death as a POW.
However, we all know how this story will probably end...unfortunately.
thedude122487 10y ago
I never thought about it that way until now but it makes sense. In a MFF, all three are involved with each other. In this case, the female was a central target and the dudes weren't doing anything with each other.
vezokpiraka 10y ago
I seriously doubt that the husband had a problem with this as much as this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I refuse to believe someone in a western society would think his girlfriend is a princess and then after he finds out she had sex with other people long before they met each other makes him think this girl is disgusting.
That is not a normal evolution. There is something more to this.
totorox 10y ago
Dude if you read between the lines of her posts, you can see the bitch she is at every turn. No doubt he was already inwardly fuming.
Ojisan1 10y ago
I'm thinking that from the husband's perspective, he's made 2 mistakes (we are here to learn about male game, not just analyze and criticize women, right?)
Mistake one is he married her. It's so much more difficult to demote a wife than it is to demote an LTR back to plate, or simply next her when you find some shit like this that you deem unacceptable.
Mistake two is that he seems to be using dread with no clear objective (this may only be unclear because we are only hearing her side of it). Does he want her to be more open with him sexually and do the things with him that she did in college? Does he want to change their marriage to an open relationship? He can't dread game her out of her actual past, it's not like he can punish her in such a way that her past no longer affects his reputation or anything. So without any sort of objective, dread is pointless here.
Either he's going to ignore her lying and go back to the way things were, he's going to change the relationship somehow to make it more acceptable to him (more sexual, or an open marriage), or he's going to leave her.
Bottom line, if he hadn't married her, this would be a lot simpler to deal with.
GhostOfAladdin 10y ago
Mistake number 3 is have her miss birth control and a kid pops up.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
He isn't using dread on purpose. The dude is rightfully disgusted upon learning about his slutty wifes past. He is shellshocked, how he acts when he composes himself will determine the strength of his character.
Ojisan1 10y ago
Yeah that seems to be the case. It's unintentional dread game. If he was actually using it towards some goal, it probably would work but he's just reacting to the situation she put him in.
Dread could be useful in this situation if his goal was, for example, an open marriage or getting his wife to be more sexually open with him.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
Absolutely, but at this point it seems ( from what I can gather from the original post ) the guy is done. He doesn't see his loving wife anymore, he sees some used up slut and is disgusted by what he sees.
Chances are he is going to divorce her, much to the dismay of that entire subreddit and his " it was in my past! " " everyone was doing it! " attitude wife.
Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy for a reason.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
Dread doesn't have to have a specific goal, although it certainly can be used that way. It can just be to improve your partner's actions in general, as they work overtime to please. It could turn a henpecked marriage into an emperor/serving-girl relationship.
Ojisan1 10y ago
Well I would consider that to be a clear goal. Changing her behavior in some way that benefits the relationship.
In this case, I'm not sure that he's got some relationship-improving goal in mind, at least not one that the wife mentioned in her post.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
He's probably not doing it 'on purpose'. The guy's upset and likely considering divorce.
The dread isn't some acted strategy he's implementing; it's a very real possibility that he'll bail on the marriage.
It'll still have its effect, though. The OP is terrified and tiptoeing around him. She's suddenly being submissive. RP is observation and replication of organic situations. This is dread in the wild.
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robonubbins 10y ago
She should've been clear with him from the beginning. If he a uncomfortable with it, now he has a very tough decision to make. If he knew a month in and left her, it saves them both time and energy.
GhostOfAladdin 10y ago
It is the fact she covered it up. The lie. Is that her only lie?
Stayinghereforreal 10y ago
Tell me what actions they engaged in, and I will let you know. Trying to just say "crazy" in a hand-waving means of avoidance and obfuscation, and I doubt anyone can really say.
People can sex whomever they want. And other people can use that as a basis for refusing to engage in a relationship with them, or terminating one already begun. Agency and preferences, yo. They work both ways, right?
This guy did not want to marry a woman who did these things. My guess is she knew that, and therefore hid those things from him.
Put another way, that part of her life was so totally unimportant, she had to hide it completely from the person she claims to love. Kind of sounds like to me that she, not he, is the one with insecurities and shame to deal with. He just knows what sort of person he didn't want to marry: her. Too bad she was not honest about herself during the courtship.
N3sh108 10y ago
Ok, I see your point here.
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N3sh108 10y ago
What do you mean?
johnnight 10y ago
Yes.
She is not allowed to have fun, the guy is allowed to have fun.
NikahPlease 10y ago
If you're not being sarcastic. Then why?
johnnight 10y ago
1 . Because that would automatically make me stop loving that person, so your question is moot. I would judge this as this person deliberately ruining their own quality for me and trying to trick me into buying a shit product.
2a. Fuck the dogma of equality. Fuck it with a chainsaw. There is no equality.
2b. The person that wants me to invest in her emotionally is prohibited from getting plowed by dozens of cocks, getting STDs, getting punctured by heroin needles, snorting coke, binge drinking and other things which you maliciously try to hide under the label of innocent 'fun'. (Seriously, how DARE you?) What other men do does not concern me, because I am not buying what they are selling.
imadeapoopie 10y ago
You're sort of dancing and missing some of the point but you're not wrong.
Where you're right: Slut-shaming is a waste of time and counter-TRP in that it serves no purpose it's just an emotional release as our friends here try to lift themselves up by putting others down. TRP is about what is, not the world as seen through rose-colored glasses.
The point you're missing, OP hit on this and others have to some degree: The young lady in question should not have actively sought to hide her past.
The notion that THAT particular action is defensible is false, and counter to this sub's doctrine. The emergence and manifestation of the main characters rational hamster is what's relevant here to observe and discuss, not her 'character'.
N3sh108 10y ago
Ok, I see your point.
But again, I am not sure I would bring up something like that with a partner unless asked directly.
"Hey babe, there was a period in college where I did drugs and sex for the lolz."
If he asked and she lied, that's one thing. But I read it more like that she just never brought it up to him, which I find more understandable.
a-orzie 10y ago
Lying by omission is still lying.
Azzmo 10y ago
I think you have good questions for which there are some uncomfortable answers. I upvoted you for asking and am disappointed in the downvoters for discouraging questions.
Unfortunately less often in TRP these days now that the user base has increased. Many of our users are angry and not here for the philosophy, but for the schadenfreude.
Possibly.
If I lied to them about it and they found out about it 20 years later that would be my mistake.
Male and female sexuality are different. Society tells us that we're all the same but TRP recognizes that silliness for what it is. Female sexuality is reliant on bonding mechanisms. Let me ask you this: is alcohol as exciting the 20th time you go out drinking as it was the first time you drank or has it become routine at that point?
She lied by omission. That counts. She admits it in her post.
Your point is sound but I think you've chosen the wrong case to make it in. TRP is right on this one - she should have been honest about her sexual history with her fiance and let him use that information to decide if he wanted to pursue marriage. Instead, she acts like he's the villain after he discovers she's lied to him for years.
N3sh108 10y ago
Thanks for explaining without being rude. :)
NikahPlease 10y ago
If female sexuality is reliant on bonding mechanisms, then why do women generally report lower satisfaction the longer a relationship goes? Wouldn't this number go up if women like commitment and bonding? Please clarify.
Azzmo 10y ago
Women who have realistic expectations for their partner don't appear to suffer from decreased desire as drastically as those with excessive expectations.
What causes excessive expectations?
One sure way is riding the cock carousal and then later settling for a guy after failing to obtain commitment from a more preferable mate.
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OK, so in this case we have a woman who enjoyed drug fueled threesomes while she was young and hot. As she became less young and thus less hot she realized that she needed to put on a more respectable appearance and lock down a provider for commitment. She also realized that she had to hide her drug-slut past from this man in order to get that ring on her finger.
She successfully did this until one day her past caught up to her. Now she's in danger of losing this commitment from the second tier man that she found. She also realizes that if she does lose him, she has even less chance of finding a replacement, since she is that much older and that much less attractive. Plus her drug slut days are still hanging out there, waiting for the next casual conversation. Therefore she's really really worried.
So fucking what?
Male promiscuity is seen far differently than female promiscuity. Cue the analogy about locks and keys.
TRP is also not about wifing up used up drug sluts.
N3sh108 10y ago
Man, are you serious? Is that your thought or what?
Some people just grow out of doing drugs and crazy things, it's normal. You make a lot of assumptions based on nothing.
Finding a person you enjoy spending your tine with, doesn't necessarily mean that she became ugly and desperate and needed a man.
johnnight 10y ago
No they don't and you are lying straight in our faces that it is normal. Yeah, you can show an example of one person who made it up to now, but statistically all drug users are a hazard until they die.
Here's how wifing up a sex/drugs/crazy person ends:
http://www.returnofkings.com/58908/cassandra-lynns-death-shows-why-you-should-never-wife-up-broken-girls
And that first comment:
The drug user remembers how great it was and will want to go back to that great feeling. This urge never goes away and it can only be avoided by people who never did do drugs.
Obio1 10y ago
Ok... Take this scenario: Suppose you have a sister. (Maybe you really do, I don't know).
She comes to you one day and tells you she's got a problem with her husband and doesn't know what to do:
It turns out that when her hubby was in college he was 100% gay. He used to give blowjobs in men's rooms to 10, 15 guys a night. He used smoke ice and was also a well known "bottom", and used to get fucked in the ass by guys pulling trains on him when he was high as a kite.
Your sister then says, "He says those days are behind him though. Now he's a really sweet guy and a good husband."
Do you tell your sister, "Maybe they really are behind him now. People do change"
Or do you tell your sister, "Sis... get a fucking grip."
I'm pretty sure you'd lean closer to the latter.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
He's not the only one.
Where do you come from that "drug fueled threesomes" are a regular, healthy occurrence in one's life? What drugs constitute "normal" behavior? Alcohol, pot, ecstasy, molly, meth, heroin, opium? Which cocktail is considered "normal?"
It's not my job to help a potential partner rehabilitate themselves. I'm looking for emotional and physical health in a relationship, someone who has had binged on drugs and sex does not meet that criteria.
Don't believe for a second that she would be with this guy if she could have married one of her studs in the early days. No one would be the wiser if she did, and no one would shame her for it the way you're doing to us now.
GoldPisseR 10y ago
Here's the diff b/w male and female promiscuity
A guy who fucked 20 chicks in 2 yrs loses his eligibility for monogamy, but he is still in his right mind and is emotionally and physically sound.
A woman with the same numbers will damage her soul and just lose about every sense of whatever little logic she had. She becomes numb
So yeah, if you ever want an ltr, never go through a promiscuous phase yourself.It'd be very tough to stick to one pussy after you have tasted several.
NikahPlease 10y ago
How do you know that it damages the woman's soul and all of her logic? What do you mean with this?
[deleted] 10y ago
What is an "Alpha Widow" and why does it matter?
despoticVeracity 10y ago
I know it's an often trotted-out response, but this is about sexual strategy.
Nowhere do I advocate the guy leaving her. Rather, I look at the potential actions she can take, the actions he can take, and the public perception or social climate surrounding them.
Women who sleep around are worth less. I'll spare the questionably outdated divorce statistics and the vitriol and just say that it's a social construct. People think she is worth less, so she is. Given a choice between a woman with 10 previous partners and 11, ceteris paribus, a man will pick the 10. This is relevant in that TRP proposes that sexual market value is an important factor in the leverage each side has in the relationship.
The different views people have towards the partner count could indicate a shift in this viewpoint. Again, from a normative perspective, this is relevant to us.
Similarly, the approach she takes to mitigate this sudden drop in SMV, and the approach he takes to take advantage of it, are worth examining.
I made a basic model of their actions from a game theory perspective in a reply to another comment. In a nutshell, he can leverage this for greater power and respect in the relationship, if he negotiates right. It's in her interest to reduce his negotiation power, so she may attempt to change the playing field to one where past promiscuity has little to no implications on SMV. However, if they both pursue the options best to them, they'll end up at loggerheads and divorcing, which is a big loss of time and effort for both of them. One side needs to capitulate.
N3sh108 10y ago
Alright but I just don't understand why blaming a woman for their 'fun-times' when she was 18, after 10/15 years and after being faithful (let's assume) to the guy.
If a girl enjoy(ed) sex and wasn't looking for a relationship during her youth, does that mean she cannot/shouldn't have a family?
I am not talking about a girl who says that she doesn't 'do that kind of things anymore' to her new bf, when she went crazy just few months before. We don't know much about this woman and it was over 10 years before.
What is the timeframe that allows a girl to be redeemed? I don't know it.
a-orzie 10y ago
Why was it problem to tell him then.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
You're asking the positivist questions of 'why is being a slut in the past bad?'
That's a tenuous part of TRP and the hardest for newcomers to swallow.
Let's first look at it from a pseudo-economic perspective. Guys want sex. Women want commitment. They have to negotiate with each other to get what they want using what they have. If a woman gives sex without demanding commitment, a guy has no motive to commit.
Too abstract? Fine. Let's look at it from an emotional perspective.
People are jealous over others being with their SO. They hate the idea. It's a deeply visceral feeling embedded in our culture and possibly our genome. It's why we have a taboo on discussing previous partners. It's why cheating is so unpopular.
Under a feminist paradigm, it inflated her sense of SMV, as she is able to easily share very high profile dudes. This negatively affects the relationship, because she feels she's higher value than her husband.
Her husband is compared to more people.
More people know of her past, causing them to think worse of him. Also, he sees these people around every time he meets her friends. They know the situation, and that's infuriating and humiliating.
He's committed when others got something for free. This is a similar feeling to when that high quality watch you buy for full price goes on sale for 70% off as soon as you buy it.
There's a distinct feeling of being 'settled for' now that she can't land anyone else. This is the 'anger phase' and many here are still in it. They rage at the system where 80% of women can screw the top 20% of men through their prime, then jump to the rest of the men once the wall approaches.
The previous points are exacerbated when she doesn't provide as much sexually as she did for others. (And she doesn't. After all, they were people she sought out for sex. Of course she gives them more.)
Sure, you can put some of it down to 'male insecurity', but you can put women hating a man having a mistress on the side down to 'female insecurity'. Emotions play a part in relationships.
NikahPlease 10y ago
Hmm. Guys don't just want sex, they want monogamy too or else we wouldn't have marriage in our society. It benefits men as they know for sure that they're raising their own kid.
So basically, it's down to jealousy? The way society views sexually active women, they might think ''oh might as well just have sex with hot guys if I'm going to have less value anyways''. This attitude is seriously hurting both men and women. If only ''sex'' wasn't so overrated, then more women would have sex with more men. But because women are taught that hey, you're a slut if you have sex with him because your value is higher then yes they're going to look for someone who's 'worth' the subtraction of their SMV. So yeah, in that way I think that it's a bad attitude.
Women want sex, women want commitment. Guys want sex, guys want commitment, too. These things benefit both, and that's why we have so much premarital sex but also many marriages in our society.
N3sh108 10y ago
Ok, I see your point. That only applies if she gave more/better sex to the previous partners, correct?
despoticVeracity 10y ago
No. That exacerbates some of the points I made, but is by no means a pivotal issue.
If you want the magic bullet in favour of why it's worse: people feel it is. Put it down to being an irrational, emotional sexual preference. I can hypothesise on why people have that preference until the cows come home, but it won't change the fact that they feel the way they do.
Some guys like big boobs. Some like them small. Some guys like ass. Some guys like feet. Some guys like redheads. Some guys like guys. Most guys like a chick that hasn't been around the block. It's not something you can logic away any more than you can talk a gay dude into being straight, or an ordinary dude into being a chubby chaser.
"Have you considered not liking guys? It's really inconvenient. Higher STD rates, societal judgement, no chance of kids, poop-chance whenever you fuck and fewer partners around. Being straight is much better."
There's pretty strong efforts by feminists to alter this preference. Whether or not they'll succeed overall is a mystery. For now, the vitriol in this thread makes it evident that the sentiment's not going away any time soon, if it can be changed at all.
Stayinghereforreal 10y ago
Stop it with the strawman/absolutist crap. You are no Plato, and this is not how you do that Socratic Dialogue stuff.
But you should know that women with higher partner counts tend to experience a higher divorce rate.
NikahPlease 10y ago
What statistics supports your claim?
N3sh108 10y ago
This means that some women do not divorce. Don't be fooled by statistics, they help to understand the majority of a population not each individual.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
Don't be fooled by statistics, you don't need to wear a seatbelt. They help to understand the majority of a population, not each car accident.
4delicioustreats 10y ago
And if I'm going to roll my dice with an individual, I want go know roughly what the odds are.
AntixD 10y ago
approximately 30 cocks in a few years,wow
Bottled_Void 10y ago
If I understand it correctly, it was just two cocks. Just that they were at the same time.
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totorox 10y ago
Microchimerism.
http://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2012/10/25/male-dna-in-female-brains-revisited/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16084184
HexagonSupremacy 10y ago
What does this mean to the average man? Why should one care how much male dna is in a woman?
totorox 10y ago
it means a woman who has had sex with many male partners is or may be a male dna carrier... confirming the fear-desire of cucks worldwide that they wont ever be able to compete with her previous fuckers.
for OP it means that the husband is right to consider it a major knife in the marriage contract that his wife suddenly, once she's secure enough in his commitment to her, decides to appraise him of her whorish past.
HexagonSupremacy 10y ago
Okay but how does a woman having the dna of other men in her brain bad? Does it effect you or her children? I'm not seeing the harm here.
totorox 10y ago
Sorry man, didn't see your repeated question.
It's mostly a scare: community picks sci news and blows them up into oh wow, this means what we feared! with little regard for bias checking.
Kite23 10y ago
Thats fucking gross, I couldn't deal with a woman who did that.
el_chief 10y ago
Well, it's fun to run train on girls. Just don't marry em!
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
A woman's sexual past speaks volumes about the kind of person that she is, so I can't blame you. What's really bad though is that this woman has only admitted to doing this. Most women don't admit to many things that they do, so she's probably done way more nastier stuff that she is keeping to herself. How anyone could marry a used up cum dumpster like this is beyond me. This just reeks of a 30 year old beta getting used up by a parasitic whore who can no longer attract Chad Thundercock anymore, so now she needs to settle down before she gets too old and disgusting for marriage. At the way things are going, I'm going to have to move to Eastern Europe or South America when I want to get married.
NilacTheGrim 10y ago
Well in Eastern Europe the women are much hotter but less honest. Watch out. American women will 'fess up when caught lying (and they are generally shitty liars). An Eastern European woman will lie to your face even when you have evidence and testimony to the contrary. They are masterful liars. That being said -- they are less "slutty" in the traditional sense than American women so the stuff you are likely to catch them lying about is less awful.
Also, they are very much hotter and it's easier to get a 10 as an American than it would be in America. Worth it overall, even if they are better liars/manipulators.
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As if women in those countries are any better. All women are like that. Marriage is a lose-lose for men no matter what, no matter where, unless it's an open marriage. Women can't be trusted to remain faithful - hypergamy and all that jazz
totorox 10y ago
I tried to redpill a young girl of my acquaintances. "You know, the more partners you have, the less value you will have for a man of value willing to commit to you on the long term".
Her response: "That's very nice of you to care about me but I don't think about all that type of things now."
...Even though I had raised that point in my speech: when you will think about it it will be too late and you wont be able to roll time back.
So yeah. At least she got the talk. She's smart, she might do something with it before she's ruined.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Never try to share the knowledge, no one will listen sadly
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Been there, same whores other cities.
You're never gonna find non-whores no matter where you go.
Even if the price of infidelity and slut-dom is the death-penalty (Saudi-Arabia) girls will still fuck. There just much better at hiding it.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
I've been to South America before. There are many upper class broads there who usually won't fuck before marriage.
skoobled 10y ago
...More like they're better at hiding their pieces of naughty
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George_l_rockwell 10y ago
I'm not stupid, I understand that women can get bad in other countries. All I'm saying is that in many of these countries, women live with their parents and often become a whore for the man they marry when they are young, which is how it's supposed to be.
MrCopacetic 10y ago
Fair enough. It's just female promiscuity often exists whether or not they from Ukraine, Brazil, China or Canada. Promiscuity is damn near universal and always goes up proportional with age regardless of where the fuck they're from.
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Christian_Kong 10y ago
Man I love threads like this, but I have a very dark sense of humor. The classic "I did something in the past and now I'm being judged on it after it came out" post. It never gets old.
She is right that many college students are fucking(and doing drugs and partying which have no correlation to getting gangbanged) like rabbits. The shocking thing is in effect this girl is saying, every girl gets tag teamed during college. I don't have any more proof than life experience but 3 ways are fairly abnormal and I would think MMF 3 ways are much less likely than MFF.
thedude122487 10y ago
True, when I was in college I did a ton of drugs, partied every weekend, and was getting laid almost every day. With my LTR.
Never did I engage in a threesome or a gangbang. I see absolutely zero correlation. No, not everyone else was doing it. That's purely delusional hamstering.
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MajorStyles 10y ago
This same shit happened to me!!!
I was around 22, going out with a girl 10 years my senior. One day, I fought out that some dudes tossed her around in a neighborhood gang bang. She kept going back, and it happened about 5-10 times in total.
After I heard that, she was dead to me. I lost all respect for her. We broke up not long after that. She tried to shame me afterwards - I was insecure, etc. Fuck that noise. I was outta there, and any self respecting man should be as well.
This is what "modern" women will never understand. That most men value their chastity. That when they whore themselves out, they no longer become wife material. It's in our DNA to seek non-sluts for marriage (despite the attempts of the Femcentric state to promote cuckoldry).
vandaalen 10y ago
It's got nothing to do with DNA. We are programmed to begat as many females as we can, but we limit ourselves deliberatly if we believe that it is to our advantage.
Through the constant pedastalization of the alleged pureness of the female sex, most men have been led to the believe that it is always to their advantage if they commit themselves to a relationship with one female, regardless the real value of that woman, while in reality with today's marriage laws, combined with today's women's attitude and the possibility to have it all without having to commit, it's almost always a win-loose situation to the disadvantage of the male.
johnnight 10y ago
Disgust is a biological instinct. It has everything to do with DNA.
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cariboo_j 10y ago
If you want to talk in terms of biomass ants are the most successful species.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
It would be stupid to seek out sluts for marriage. Evolution has driven men to not seek out sluts, because we have a desire to spread our genes down. When you get into a relationship with a slut, the chances of you raising a child that isn't yours will only dramatically increase. No self respecting man wants to raise children that aren't theirs.
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NikahPlease 10y ago
DNA tests are always possible or seeing if you look alike to the kid, and sluts are not all cheaters that will get pregnant by another man. Cheaters are worse imho.
roflzaur 10y ago
Most doctors make the husband sign the birth certificate after birth before a paternity test. When you sign the birth certificate, that is like adopting the child until they are 18.
NikahPlease 10y ago
Why would they require this? If it's true, then... damn.
NakorZ 10y ago
There have been instances of men signing birth certificates, only to find out days or hours later that the child isn't his. Doesn't matter - once your name is on the certificate, it's "yours" according to law. And thus welcome to 18 years of child support payments. ~ Sincerely, feminism.
PS: If you can't pay the child support for the baby that isn't yours, you go to jail. Ain't it grand?
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myshieldsforargus 10y ago
If men are victims of the bluepill society that encourages him to be beta providers, why are not women also victims of the same society that encourages her to be hedonistic sloot? Now that she has realised the her past mistake, she is gonna do the most redpill thing which is to increase her SMV by saying that her past was irrelevant and has no bearing on her current value.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
Can you explain to me why you think that her having 12-15 threesomes with her college boyfriend and his room mate in college has no effect on her sexual market value to her husband?
myshieldsforargus 10y ago
it is relevant but she want to damage control to maximise her SMV by reducing SMV lost due to her history
despoticVeracity 10y ago
SMV is in the eye of the beholder. Also, we're talking about RP, the sexual strategy, not RP, team man.
If she can convince him that her past actions have no/little bearing on her present value as a wife, she lessens the impact to her SMV. This, in turn, means she has to put in less effort in the relationship to keep him from leaving.
It's acknowledging that her sluttiness impacted her SMV, and she's trying to mitigate it.
TheThingsIThink 10y ago
The lessening of his social standing for having married a one time drug using promiscuous woman would impact her present value of a wife.
My more pressing concern is the drugs. Robert Downey Jr is going great. But robin Williams and Phillip Seymore Hoffman went to shit after decades of sobriety. Phil Hartman got wasted after his wife relapsed on coke. This lady is a loaded gun. What happens if she gets bored, angry, or lonely? She's already show a predisposition to some terrible decisions.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
Based on the OP and replies, my understanding is that it's not just her past actions, but how he found out because she lied (by omission) to him prior to him deciding to marry her.
Bulldog44 10y ago
She obtained his commitment through dishonesty, no amount of supposed victimization makes that acceptable. If a guy is selling you a used car and is up front with you about what problems the car has, you can't get angry, if he lies to you about it, you do get angry, simple stuff. Odds are, if she had been upfront with him about her skank past, he would not have committed to her.
myshieldsforargus 10y ago
how is that? she didn't lie, she simply never mentioned it. Men obtained pussy through dishonesty too, this very subreddit implores men to do it.
Odds are, if you are upfront to a girl telling them all about TRP and how their shit tests wont work on you and you know they are all hypergamous super sloots anyway and you have no intention of committing to them then you wouldn't get laid either.
a-orzie 10y ago
Why do people believe that omission of something is not lying
Stayinghereforreal 10y ago
Because doing so would have resulted in a dumping, as she likely understood from knowing him. That is not being honest about who you are, that is hiding what you have done, in order to avoid consequences.
People who feel guilt or shame do that, not proud, independent women secure in their sexuality, etc., etc.
Look, she can bang whoever she wants. And he can wife (or unwife) whoever he wants. And neither have to explain themselves to others. So she is just seeing the flip side of the whole full agency in matters of sex and marriage, it is just biting her in the butt now.
Consequences, yo. Sometimes they suck.
TheThingsIThink 10y ago
It would be deceit by omission. Lying is deceit by commission. Neither can be present if operating in good faith.
myshieldsforargus 10y ago
it might it might not. needless to say there are uncountably many things one could say about any subject, which may or may not cause another person to dump you. you can't really hold somebody guilty of not saying something, after all we only have 80 years there about of life on earth we cant spend it all talking constantly just in case we "lie by omission"
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oldredder 10y ago
not hypocritical: it's OK to lower the SMV of other women, it's their choice to accept this fate or not. There is no way to reverse the choice and no moral way to hide it. By all means if a man is attracted to her, likes her over-all and knows her past and wants her - that's his business and hers to pursue.
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despoticVeracity 10y ago
Not quite. It's incidental. Furthermore, there is no moral imperative to preserve someone else's reputation or status. She's a free agent to do as she wishes.
Now, hypocritical? Hell yeah. That's gender roles for you. It's hypocritical of me to want a girl with tits, ass and vag when I have a dick. It's hypocritical to want a submissive partner when I want to be the dominant decision maker. It's hypocritical to want her to be short when I want to be tall. It's hypocritical to want her to have long hair when mine is short. This is the realm of attraction and sexual preference, where hormones reign, and they proclaim loudly, 'tits, vag and not a slut!'
If you want it from an economic perspective, men have commitment to give and she has sex to give. When she gives sex so easily, it makes me question the value of it. My commitment is for a good few years, if not the rest of my life. During that time, her value is gonna plummet and mine will skyrocket. I have to be selective.
If you wanna look at it from a flipped perspective: she discovers that her loving husband had several relationships, all with lower SMV women, in which he was reportedly dropping the L bomb within a week and asking them to marry him every few months, talking always about 'the life and kids we'll have', it'd be a turnoff. It makes him look pathetic, as though he drastically undervalues himself and would commit to anyone. That's the closest example I could come up with.
collidoscope 10y ago
Hypocritical means something different. That aside, I agree with your last paragraph. If I knew of a guy who had proposed to 5 women with mixed success, I would wonder if he understood what he was actually offering her when he proposed.
hohamocha 10y ago
If women did not open up their legs outside of marriage, men wouldn't try to convince them to have sex out of marriage. Women are the gatekeepers to sex. A man's libido for all women is much higher than a woman's libido for all men, therefore don't expect us to be responsible for the purity of women. If you hang a steak in front of a bear, don't expect it to not eat that. It is better not to hang a steak in front of a bear, if you want a steak dinner. It would do no good to teach the bear not to eat the steak, would take much more effort.
Thus it is better to teach a woman to not open her legs to any guy who gives them tingles/ wait till marriage for sex, rather than teach men to curb their raging libido and stop approaching girls for sex.
If I don't fuck her, she will give that pussy to the next guy who gives her tingles. We live in a world where female promiscuity is unrestrained.
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hohamocha 10y ago
More like "We should look at tradition because they are a clear indicator of how our forefather's knew the nature of females"
If by intentions you mean telling plates that we are not exclusive, then yes. Most of us here would never marry a former slut/ a woman who was plated by other guys/ ridden the cock carousel
TRP's stance has always existed before feminism, in what is called tradition. Feminism is a stance to tradition and practices that are beneficial to society. In other words, feminism is more of a direct response to TRP.
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It is real life examples like this that keeps me hanging on some of the rp principles regardless of the low quality of the posts and wannabes sec gods.
darksoulflame 10y ago
Quick question in regards to these posts. What if the woman admits to having this type of lifestyle and doesn't make any excuses for it? What if she was honest about it from the beginning? What would you think about her then?
tatertotmonkey 10y ago
If I was dating her, I'd be thankful for her honesty. Too few women these days believe in being honest with themselves, or others. That being said, I'd break up with her immediately after that.
Spiral-knight 10y ago
Honestly does not change what you are or have done. For a woman to come out and say "Yes, I was an absolute slut and did everything imaginable with strangers" won't make her less of a wrung out low value individual. You sound like you're looking for ways to mitigate the damage
despoticVeracity 10y ago
It's not, despite what many say, a deal breaker. Rather, if handled right, it's a lowering of her SMV. In other words, it places the husband higher than her.
The issue is when it's not interpreted in that fashion. e.g. "Nothing wrong with having a past; it's none of your business."
Also, it's a preference by guys. That means that some will be more okay with it than others. Normally being morbidly obese is a deal beaker. Not the case for chubby chasers. They love that shit. To them, a fat woman's SMV is through the roof. (But if he plays smart, he'll pretend otherwise.)
Spiral-knight 10y ago
morbid obesity and chubby chasers are not the same
despoticVeracity 10y ago
What is the term for guys who like morbidly obese women?
Spiral-knight 10y ago
I don't actually know if there is one. For the most part people into obesity tend to use the "BBW" label
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Shankar_ 10y ago
Haha god the fucking hamstering is too much
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fact is he doesn't know his wife. her friends in college know her better than he does.
hillbilly1980 10y ago
I don't get this. RP should go both ways. Who gives a shit about a college experimental phase. Man up and live in the now with the women you love. We've all tried dumb shit in our youths and all put things in the closet. If she had a drug fueled threesome today there might be some logic to this but she didn't. It was a shitty college story.
cover20 10y ago
She lied about something material. RP is about honesty.
Granted the guy might have left her years ago if she had fessed up to this stuff then, but now it's still not too late for him.
Maybe too late for her, but nobody owes her a family life. If he were without a girlfriend she wouldn't step in to rescue him, that's for damn sure.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
I would say it depends why he's upset, if he is upset just because his wife had sex before she met him with a lot of dudes in a lot of positions and situations then he's an ass. Women are entitled to sex and pleasure, just like we are, why the hell not.
But if she acts like a prude now, not letting him get sexual satisfaction then he's got a legitimate gripe, he's offered her his total commitment, the least she can do is give him as much sexual satisfaction she ever gave anyone else and THEN SOME.
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EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
Wrong, dumbass.
We don't let felons own firearms because of their past.
We don't let child molesters live near schools because of their past.
But we're supposed to ignore a woman's past because...reasons.
You don't speak from Red Pill understanding. Sit in time out and read more until you do.
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cover20 10y ago
Yeah OK so why did she lie about it.
The problem may not even be mainly that lying was wrong, or that partying was wrong. The problem is that her SMV has gone down, his has gone up, and now he has an excuse to cancel the contract.
Her problem that is. He is entirely within his rights.
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NikahPlease 10y ago
She didn't seem to lie about it, this topic just never seemed to have came up in the marriage.
theubernoob 10y ago
Browsing through the comments I can see why trp has its certain reputation. I wouldn't say I have swallowed the red pill or the blue pill. I like to consider all sides and form my own opinion so here it is.
Both these people fucked up. One of them should have brought this topic up at some point in the relationship assuming that one of them cares about it. Obviously the man cares about it so I'd say that he should have brought it up and it's his fault for not doing so. If the woman got upset about the man's past then I would put the blame on her. Some people don't care about the past and in that case it's reasonable to not bring it up and it's possible that she assumed this was the case. The key point for me would be if she lied to keep this information from him. If she did then she broke the trust in the relationship and in my opinion trust cannot be 100% regained. It's up to the dude if that's grounds for divorce, but it's certainly grounds for distrust and a tougher relationship.
What should she do? Talk it out with her husband. It's his opinion whether or not she did something wrong. Is it acceptable to slut it up for awhile and then settle down some day? In my opinion, yes. However, the ONLY opinion that does matter is the husband's. In this case he doesn't find it acceptable and he has every right to feel that way. He needs to decide what he wants to do and they both need to accept that their choices have put themselves in this position.
Criticizing him for the way he feels would be entirely fucked up and not constructive. In my eyes basically saying, "fuck you, deal with it".
cover20 10y ago
This was downvoted too much. (I could care less about the remark about this sub.)
The only opinion that matters is her husband's. And he can choose to divorce her over this, or not. The post says this and does not say the husband would be wrong to choose one or the other.
Pretty straightforward RP POV in my opinion.
theubernoob 10y ago
I was trying to point out this sub seems extreme, not evil. Neo Nazis may have been a poor choice...
despoticVeracity 10y ago
I'm trying to stay out of the blame-allocation business, but in this case the woman's confessed to actively trying to keep it secret and has severed a friendship over it being brought up. There is ample evidence of intent to conceal. She admits that she refrains from bringing it up because she doesn't see anything positive coming from it. In other words, it's not an "oops, it never came up in conversation! I had no idea you might disapprove of this behaviour!" situation. She knew.
Does he only get to be mad at her for concealing it if he specifically asked "have you ever had a threesome?" That'd be a very narrow definition of honesty. In a relationship, good faith is necessary and expected. A part of that is treating 'honesty' broadly, instead of like an attorney. If you know your SO will be bothered by something, you tell and don't wait for him or her to ask.
"Honey, you never asked if I had a kid."
"You never asked if I had a second family in Mexico."
"You never asked if I had a gambling addiction."
"You never asked whether or not I planned on spending next week on holiday."
"You never asked if I was going to host a party this evening."
All of these aptly demonstrate my point and are (mostly) tamer than "honey, you never asked if I had 12-15 drug-fuelled threesomes".
theubernoob 10y ago
I was under the impression that she didn't actively try to conceal it and that the topic never came up. If they did talk about their sexual history and she decided not to bring it up then he had every right to be mad about being lied to. He has every right to feel however he feels about her actions in the past as well.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
she called it a secret in black and white. She knew it'd make him uncomfortable and chose not to bring it up. He doesn't need to ask to import an obligation to tell. It's enough that she thought that he'd care. That was the point I was making with my previous post.
truthiesttruth 10y ago
BP garbage is getting posted all over this thread, dont worry though, ya dun good kid.
theubernoob 10y ago
Gotcha. I was just giving the benefit of the doubt.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
No one here cares, nor should they. This is a place for men to speak without politically correct white knights/Feminists telling us how to conduct ourselves.
Fair enough.
It's the man's fault for not screening her more effectively, yes. But you say that as if fault is evenly divided.
It's a lie by omission. You can't say "it's none of your business" and then say, "my sexual past doesn't matter" in the same breath. It's either your past matters and you're too ashamed to tell about it (with your life partner, Christ sake) or it doesn't matter and you should be able to share it with the one you so deeply intimately claim to "love."
One thing we commonly discuss around here is, "you can't negotiate attraction." You are either attracted to someone or you aren't. You can't get relationship counseling or shame someone into getting wet or hard for you.
It doesn't matter if it's acceptable or not, there are risk factors involved for every additional partner a woman has that affects her ability to maintain a long term, monogamous relationship. A girl takes on 1-3 partners and her prolonged chance of success in relationships is decreased by 40% over a ten year period. That is not including increased risk of infidelity.
And no, the same does not translate to men. There are different biological factors at play here.
Yes it's fucked up, but as you can see from the post, most of the comments agree with this mentality, which is why TRP exists today. I can't say I disagree with them, for the woman. This is one of her best options to keep the marriage.
You can choose to believe this, that doesn't make it true. The above option is what we call "blue pill" thinking.
theubernoob 10y ago
Everyone is entitled to speak their mind. If you attended a neo nazi meeting you'd probably see why they have their certain reputation though.
I believe it is the man's fault for not bringing it up. The woman is at fault for not coming forward, but at the end of the day, if that kind of stuff was important to him, he should have covered the issue. I'd say 60% man's fault and 40%woman's, just to quantify it.
So if I don't divulge something I deem not important, I'm lying by omission? If they never talked about it then I can't see it as lying by omission. If they did discuss it... Well then I entirely agree with you and I'd imagination that they did have that talk at some point.
So what? You're attracted to this person and then you find out she slept with a bunch of people years before you met and now you're no longer attracted to her? I think it's a knee jerk reaction that should at least be given some time and discussion before throwing a relationship away.
There are risks, sure, and hopefully he took into account those risks. Goes back again to him doing his homework vs her being forthcoming.
So what's the answer here? Wife turned out to be a skank-bitch-slut many years ago, probably lied to me about it, has a greater chance of infidelity in the future, time to get a divorce?
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
Subtly alluding TRP to neo-nazis is clever, but unnecessary. This is one of the few, if only places where men can come to voice their anger, their concerns, their loss of relationships, without the typical echo chamber of, "It's not your fault, just be yourself, stop being insecure, why are you so angry?" that comes along with Femininst/blue pill input.
If you don't like that, there are plenty of other places on reddit where you can engage in politically correct conversations. There is a very thin line when it comes to concern trolling here.
To quantify my POV, it is 80% her responsibility and 20% the man's, if you account for equality. It's not his sexual past, it's hers. She is the one accountable for it. The reality of it is, it is up to the man to find out, but he isn't the one who pursued that lifestyle.
The problem with communication is that much of it is non-verbal. Even the marriage contract comes with subtle undertones of a lack of promiscuity, which is why here on TRP we feel free to call out women for the false dichotomy of not wanting to tell/saying it's no big deal, especially before a ring is put on her finger.
Let's say I don't tell my business partner that I am $10,000,000 in debt before we open a start-up. I deemed it not important, therefore, it isn't a lie by omission.
When in reality, "I didn't know" isn't a valid excuse. Your monetary situation is related and essential to running a business. The same goes with one's sexual past when it comes to monogamous relationships.
theubernoob 10y ago
That's a good point and obviously there is a demand for it. I find it a bit over the top at times, but here I am.
I don't see it as an obligation to come forward in a relationship and divulge my sexual past, unless I have a std or something like that. If my partner wants to talk about it then we can, but I don't really care. It's like everyone has this thought process of the more people someone sleeps with then the less value a person has. How is that the case? Maybe many people share that belief, but it isn't a rule. It's up to the people in the relationship to figure out what matters to them and if they care about someone's past it is up to them to press the issue. Looking back into it this guy probably did and now he has a wife who lied to him. For me, lying is breaking a rule, number of previous partners is subjective.
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macsenscam 10y ago
My guess is that he no longer is attracted to her since she really didn't do anything that disgusting or freaky.
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EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
My condolences on your failed concern trolling.
Think on it during your two-week ban.
despoticVeracity 10y ago
It's no surprise at all. The OP outright calls the RP explanation 'painfully obvious'.
The purpose of the thread is to examine the responses, the hamstering, the overall sentiment towards her and the possible and effective future actions of the woman and her husband.
There is a lot of vitriol towards the woman, which suggests a large amount of the commenters are still in the anger phase.
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I'm with you. I have been getting progressively upset with each comment because the complete duality of the thinking processes everyone here has engaged in:
She used her young, sexual, attractive self to have the kind of sex she wanted to have. She is being a red pill through and through (then)
But
She's a "bitch" and a "slut" and a "whore" because she did these things. This is very un-red pill.
Part of TRP is that we are All sexual creatures and we are to advance that as much as possible for ourselves. She did this and is getting shitted on for it.
Should she have told him? That's not for use to really judge for him... Perhaps each of us would or would not care, but it's not really the issue. My feeling: she should have if everyone in their mutual social circle also knew. My bigger concern though, is that he didn't know at all and many in their mutual social circle did. This tells me that it's possible she went through great troubles to make sure everyone kept it from him.
If this is the case, then he's adding up every innuendo, wink, awkward glance, cheek blush, awkward silence, etc. every time certain topics were broached with those friends. But this is speculation... We don't know why he's dread lifting her. The examples we all give are most likely examples personal each of us that we can transfer to his situation.
If he's dreading her because she used to do this, that's shit.
If he's dreading her because she used to do this but never told him, that's less shit, but he's got a point: omission=lie if he were to ask directly: have you had MMF threesomes with anyone in your past on multiple occasions? Her answer, if she would answer as "no" then the omission is the lie.
If he's dreading her because he's been wanting certain things in sex or the sex is otherwise not exciting (she specifically mentions CoF and anal) and she's been denying him, he's got every reason to be upset. Her body is her body but not giving him everything she's done in the past and then some then she doing him a disservice. Her choice may be to not do those things, but the recent new information tells him she should be doing those things. (you used to cook all the time... But now we eat lean cuisines). There are consequences for that decision and him dreading her is the consequence.
Is divorce the answer? Depends. We don't know ALL their history... She asked about one panicky situation. My guess is there is a history there that he is, right now, weighing heavily.
What I will say is that him doing this is the first step to TRP... As long as he keeps the attitude about it. It's a drastic first step, but most BPs in marriage require a huge step into TRP; I know mine did. My first real step into TRP was a divorce talk with her regarding our (lack of) sex life.
Only in the past 2 months or so have I completely swallowed TRP, but that talk ( and others following) combined with my adhesion to workout and diet, groomin and appearance and attention from other women has taken the initial panic she had from he divorce talks and kept it simmering at a high level.
His reaction to his wife's news is correct and necessary, but he needs to keep the pressure for real change.
You can't hobo ride the TRP... It's an express train that you need to ride forever.
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Captain-first officer: a Sex Life Primer reference
The analogy is sound. No captain of a naval vessel would want to keep a first officer after finding out he used to do nefarious things and the first officer never disclosed it. He would be summarily dismissed.
She did some things that would have been okay, likely, if they were said up front, but she kept them secret and made sure it stayed that way... Then she slipped up and forgot that yappy Annie gets mouthy when she's drunk.
If the captain knew beforehand he may not select the officer at all... Or he does and makes certain expectations known, immediately.
It's a 50-50 gamble, but her decision to keep it secret may make this a 100 % chance of no marriage now... And she's now wasted her time and his, her SMV is lowered significantly and his likely won't change, and may go up some when he tells this story.
Men have a better shelf life than women, for the most part... And her "best by" date may be quickly Approaching.
truthiesttruth 10y ago
Go read the rpw subreddit. They really frown on being a fucking skank.
No she is not, you seem to completely misunderstand this basic concept. Its not a womans biological imperative to fuck as many different men as she can. It is a womans biological imperative to reproduce with only the best possible male. Banging many different randoms is risky from the womans perspective because a loser might get her pregnant and pass on weak genes to her children.
This is why male mammals compete during the rut, they are determining the hierarchy and in many species, females will not mate with the losers.
This is why RP men frown on marrying whores, they are not LTR material.
We also are not angry at whores, we get angry when they manage to lie their way into a marriage.
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Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
She followed TRP's expectations, not RPW's ideal. She's in self-preservation/full on solipsism mode, not "acquire alpha fucks" mode. She was fucked by alphas, but seemingly never acquired children from one.
A beta provider is a poor protector. Ideally speaking a RPW wants an alpha male with an ever so slightly beta tendency to stick around and nurture children.
truthiesttruth 10y ago
Thank you for articulating this so concisely. This clown is repeatedly calling her a redpill woman even though she is clearly anything but that... but I digress, it is time to party.
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cover20 10y ago
Rules for women are different than rules for men. Women are different from men. Women certainly have some advantages, but you can't demand only advantages and no disadvantages.
truthiesttruth 10y ago
Really? Because you just typed out a page for no reason, you were wrong from the start so this wall of text is no doubt littered with bullshit...
Oh you were there? Otherwise thats an assumption, you want to avoid these when trying to make a point. Sluts bang losers all the fucking time.
Assumption number 2, fucking tonnes of women is not a prerequisite for being attractive to them, fucking just 1 is enough if you are trying to show social validation, which is not even necessary unless you are a loser to begin with.
Yes he is, good thing TRP is completely amoral.
So all sluts are looking for a relationship 24/7? Have you ever actually been around a slut? Most of them fuck just because they want to, not because they are continuously trying and failign to secure a man.
What about open relationships, is a woman who sleeps with hundreds of men is not a slut because her bf is okay with it? Im not even going to bother dissecting your turd of a post further.
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truthiesttruth 10y ago
Since you obviously cant read, i said LOSERS not bb, there are plenty of broke betas that get laid in unversity by fucking sluts. I personally lived with more than 1 beta who managed to secure a relationship with a slut, so dont tell me what I saw with my own fucking eyes never happened.
You are totally fucking incapable of viewing the situation through any lens other than af/bb.
You dont call it fucken anything, you just repeatedly parrot basic chr 1 intro trp material, well guess what, it gets deeper than that.
You know the "fake it till you make it" saying, well you really need to work on your "faking it" part. You are fucking glass.
TheYellowPill 10y ago
You know the saying "you can lead a horse to water..."
Don't waste anymore of your time with him. It takes time to digest the pill.
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truthiesttruth 10y ago
Nope, its just almost sat night, I have plans and you are really dragging this out, so this will be my last response.
No I havent, all you have done is post your own subjective definitions and make a bunch of weak assumptions.
Seeing as I have first hand experience that contracts much of what you think, (betas can still get laid with sluts because often sluts just want to fuck): I cant help but believe you actually have no clue what you are talking about, you are just parroting basic trp material from a position of inexperience...
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Philhelm 10y ago
As well he should be. He is the man she presumably loved enough to marry, but was more giving with her sexuality to previous men.
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blob6 10y ago
There is nothing wrong with her being a hedonist, but there is a problem when she then later on down the road tried to erase her past and pretend that she is Ms. Perfect, knowing full well that her partner would think less of her if they knew the truth.
Something about TRP that most people don't initially realize is that it is a very tolerant and honest philosophy of life. No one would object to her actions if she was honest about her choices and their consequences. The problem arose when she wanted to 'have her cake, and eat it too', AND then on top of that, expect everyone else to withhold judgement because it didn't make her feel good about herself.
I agree with you: It's her body, and she can use it however she pleases.
thehonestdouchebag 10y ago
Just as it's his comfort level, and he can drop her like a used up slut if he so pleases.
cover20 10y ago
Indeed she can, and soon she may be completely free of marital restrictions.
foldpak111 10y ago
There is nothing wrong with promiscuous women. I personally love them. The problem is that they think they deserve a relationship and marriage. That's reserved for women who find a boyfriend and slut it up with him. This girl, however, deserves a pump and dump.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
No, she's married. Her body is no longer 100% hers; she has an obligation to fuck her husband. If that's a problem...she shouldn't have married him.
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isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Believe what you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong. Then again, I don't think you do believe it; I think you're trying to convince me of something you already know is bullshit.
How would you feel if you were dating someone, and they never wanted to touch you? You'd assume that person no longer desired you, that they'd checked out of the relationship and were probably fucking someone on the DL. You'd be under no obligation to try and make it work, because the other person had already proven that it couldn't work. It's the same thing here; the truth doesn't suddenly cease being true because you bought some rings from the jewelry store. A woman who holds out on her husband isn't a wife. She's merely a roommate. Sex and desire go hand in hand with genuine love, that's just the way it is. A "wife" who doesn't put out has broken her vows. That's her right; if she doesn't want to have sex with someone, she has no obligation to do so. But if that's the way she feels, she's no longer a wife, and she better thank her lucky stars for the state. Because other than sending a man into poverty and jail, there's no justifiable reason for a man in a sexless marraige to consider himself a husband.
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isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Unneccessary explanation, everyone already could tell you were a thinskinned, mollycoddled shitlib. Your kind has a signature style of writing.
LOL, why should the man leave? It's probably his house. He should send the woman's ass packing.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 10y ago
I'm guessing there were fundamental problems in their relationship and this revelation was an epiphany that put a lot of her attitudes and behaviors together for him in that moment.
If this was an otherwise healthy marriage and this woman was a good partner in the present, I think him nuking it just from finding out about this happening 10+ years prior smacks of extreme insecurity and/or Madonna/Whore complex.
I look at it through a golden rule lens. I did crazy shit in my early 20s that I've never done or wanted to do since. These include things that I would expect a quality woman to reject a man over if there was any chance he would do them again throughout his life. But if she had gotten to know me long after this young phase of life, and had experienced a large body of my behavior that unambiguously shows that these peccadilloes are no part of my present and reasonably estimated future self, I'd consider her unreasonable and shallow if she seriously flipped her estimation of me based on things from my college age.
Seriously, the older you get, the clearer it becomes that <25 is an age of experimentation and self-discovery. One's adult persona and reputation are weighed heavily to one's present state, and the higher one's status becomes over time, the more of a commonly-understood joke everyone's college-age foibles become.
Take the idea out to a really long view and it becomes a bad joke. 84 year old man throws his 81 year old wife out of their bungalow at the retirement village because some harpy at their golden anniversary party mentioned she was a slut in college. Jeez!
cover20 10y ago
Yes, problems in the relationship. A better understanding of some of the reasons behind the problems. And an excuse to cancel the deal.
MgFeSi 10y ago
Guy screwed up not knowing more about his future wife. But I wouldn't say he needs to leave her. That's his call, but leaving could be beta. Staying could be beta, too.
There is without a doubt a way to stay the Alpha way.
cover20 10y ago
Seems to me it would be hard to accept that and stay, after finding out that you have been the beta for 5 years. Or at least hard to turn yourself into the alpha at home.
But the girl's comments make it clear she doesn't see him as alpha anyway, she just wants him to stay because she doesn't want to break up i.e. her in charge.
MgFeSi 10y ago
I don't disagree. I just also think that he could figure out a manly way to stay. Folks in here are acting like leaving is his only option. Screw that.
juanqunt 10y ago
I believe that everyone should be allowed to have fresh starts... if you can tell that he/she is truly a changed person.
When you bang a girl, should you reveal that you used to be awkward and couldn't figure out how to land a girl for a long time? That's just as deceptive as what she did here.
Riding the CC is a huge red flag, but it's not the end all be all. People can change, just vast majority don't. You need to judge people on an individual basis.
This is the same idea as telling the kid who got imprisoned once for a false rape accusation, marijuana possession, or underage drinking that he's a criminal for life, and should never have a job or relationship.
At the end of the day, my only qualification for staying with a girl is looking at her expected value of what she can offer me tomorrow. The past is a huge factor for predicting trends, but it's not the only factor.
If I were in this situation, I would have never married this girl in the first place, but the husband did marry her, so he has to also face his responsibilities for his bad decisions as well.
cover20 10y ago
Yes, now the guy is entitled to a fresh start after finding out the truth.
(The girl was not-so-fresh from the beginning, but she should have laid the cards on the table 5 years ago.)
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truthiesttruth 10y ago
You are free to "feel" and "believe" whatever you want, but I prefer to follow the statistics, which have found a significant connection between the number of premarital partners a woman has had and the likelihood of her marriage ending in a divorce.
There are numerous papers written on this subject, they generally come the same conclusion:
More premarital partners ~ Higher divorce rate.
But go ahead, feel free to wife up the town bike...
juanqunt 10y ago
I clearly said in my post that I would not marry her. Marriage is a bad idea in general, so you're attacking a strawman:
Statistically, betas also remain beta for their whole life, so we should not give them a chance to find the TRP and improve themselves either. Once a beta, always a beta. In real life, I usually do not give people who have been sluts, fatties, or betas chances... unless they have actionable results that really showed that they have truly changed. It's rare, but all people are capable of change. Also, most of these studies have so many confounding variables that it's not even funny.
NikahPlease 10y ago
It's not like she had threesomes with 12-15 different guys, but 12-15 threesomes with the same two guys (unless I read wrong). Besides, does this survey take economic and social backgrounds into account? This may be of great effect. I.e., those who began sexual activity at 20-22 might've been of religious background. Perhaps this religious background strengthens marital relationships as they have more in common, more precisely their religion as a foundation. Then this is just a guess. (Or, they're happier because they have less to compare to sexually. The ones who are not satisfied with their marriage, may be unsatisfied because of a poor sex life.)
Edit: Is it just me who can't find where it says that she's more likely to divorce in your source? It only says that ''A woman was defined as being in a stable marriage if she was married at the time of the survey and had been in that same marriage for more than five years. Two thirds of women who began sexual activity at ages 21-22 were in stable marriages. By contrast, only 27.7 percent of girls who began sexual activity at age 13-14 were in stable marriages. ''
This doesn't have to do with divorce. It just says for how long those women have been married.
hillbilly1980 10y ago
Numerous papers, and you didn't quote one of them.
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truthiesttruth 10y ago
For those who are too retarded to google:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/Bookofcharts.pdf
hillbilly1980 10y ago
First It's simply good argument to cite your sources. Be it for a legal claim or argument. Far too many people flap their mouths, support their nonsense by citing "numerous papers" then expect their audience to do the research themselves. If you want to be taken seriously cite your sources when you make claims that your opinions are backed by sources.
Second, your singular source, the heritage foundation. One of its founding members had this to say about its last decade of work.
(Mickey Edwards, one of three founding trustees of the Heritage Foundation when it began in 1973, was one of those disturbed by Heritage's turn, which, he told me, “makes it look like just another hack Tea Party kind of group.” A former eight-term Republican congressman from Oklahoma, Edwards now serves as vice president of the Aspen Institute. “They’re destroying the reputation and credibility of the Heritage Foundation," he added. "I think the respect for their [policy] work has been greatly diminished as a result.”) [ http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/the-fall-of-the-heritage-foundation-and-the-death-of-republican-ideas/279955/ ]
truthiesttruth 10y ago
IF you actually read the paper (even just the intro) you would realize it is merely the summary of a previous US GOVERNMENT CDC study. the herritage foundation had nothing to do with the data gathered or the results of the study. They basically just made some nice charts.
This could have straight from the mouth of analleakage santorum and it wouldnt make a god damn difference.
also, you seem to have personal bias against the data, my guess is you wifed up a whore, who knows, so I am not going to bother linking any other studies that support the link. Il let you do your own personal research, we both know you wont. Be sure to kiss your whore on the mouth for me...
hillbilly1980 10y ago
Ahhh the classic shifting of the argument to personal attack. My point that you support your numerous sources claim is invalid because my wife is a whore. Classic logical fallacy.
With all due respect I simply challenge you to a higher standard when you make unsupported claims.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
Is it? An awkward beta might not be mentally strong or in the best physical shape of his life, but that doesn't equate to sex crazed drug binges and threesomes.
I would equate a man developing social skills and game to a woman putting on makeup and developing her charm.
Sexual activity plays out differently between the sexes in this case. Less is more, for women and more is less, for men.
juanqunt 10y ago
IMO these are all somewhat equivalent. Read The Red Queen by Matt Ridley. Sexual strategy has been about deception since the beginning of time.
The logical fallacy often seen in TRP is that men can change over time, but not women. If once a slut, always a slut applies, then once a beta, always a beta also applies.
Saying that betas cannot change definitely hits a lot of TRPers where it hurts the most... and I don't believe it's 100% true, just true in the vast majority of cases just like sloots gonna sloot. I just like to be consistent and not be a hypocrite. All people have the capacity to change, but few actually do. Therefore, we must just this woman individually to determine if she has truly changed (unlikely, but possible).
a-orzie 10y ago
Betas are already hurting, what's being told they will probably be the same the rest of their lives. They have the chance to be better.
Different to having a million dicks in your fanny for fun.
The equivalent would be a guy wasn't beta then became one.
juanqunt 10y ago
Riding the CC should be equivalent to crashing your credit score. It ruins a woman's sexual credibility for a few years, but it's not entirely impossible for her build it back up if she does the right things.
It's more reasonable to say that it's very hard to recover from it than to say that once you're done it, your life is over. The same applies to betas, or anyone who has made any type of mistake in their lives.
Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
Your logic is strongly binary though. I find it ironic that by trying to avoid a logical fallacy you invoked one. This is also known as False Equivalence.
Your if/then statement doesn't consider that a woman can't unfuck someone but a man can add to his notch count, sleep with attractive women and learn social dynamics. A woman can learn to be ladylike, but that doesn't change her ability to bond in a monogamous relationship if she has a high partner count.
Beta is more mental than physical, slut is more physical than just mental. Those two dynamics aren't perfectly interchangeable.
I believe that you are only trying to be fair, but it is dangerously close to concern trolling. The whole notion of TRP is that men and women, while ideally equal under law, are not equal in biology. I suggest reading more of the sidebar.
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Of_course__But_maybe 10y ago
A slut can't unfuck men to lower her notch count.
A beta can go to the gym, learn to assert himself, sleep with women and/or maintain a LTR if he commits to a strong frame.
It's really that simple.
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EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
Invisible internet points do not make you an authority.
juanqunt 10y ago
Sure, but he was implying that I was a concern troll. My point was that I was not; I am a TRP regular.
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