Hmmmm...some of us are divorced...physically abandoned not financially...there are some men who would love to make the ultimate difference in a little childs life... Don't be a d. You are no different then the men who abandon their marriages and children... Like them, shit ain't for you. Yay for your perceived biological evolution. It's not about the single mothers it's about the fatherless, blameless children ...

Absolutely stay away. No man of a decent SMV should have to even have ANY single mom (even the smoke shows) on their radar. The only reason why so many do well is that being a single mom is kind of like the bargain bin at a clothing store. Their kid has given them a steep discount in the SMP so you can get an otherwise very attractive woman into a relationship very easily (the same type of woman who wouldnt look at you when single)

Remember though - they care about themselves and their child first and 2nd, and you 3rd. They are looking out for you for your resources. Dont do it.

Reposting from askTRP

As I have been there and done that and want to share my story.

Just saw the kids tonight and miss the little bastards even though they're not mine and I never wanted to be their dad. You just can't help but get attached.

Speaking from very recent experience.

You are always being sized up as a potential father figure. They will deny this at the start and treat you like a god. You end up dropping your other plates because none of them treat you as well or fuck you as good as the single mommy. Once you meet the kids you will very slowly be manoeuvred into a parental role.

You'll think this isn't really that bad I can play xbox with little johnny once in a blue moon I'm still getting my dick sucked. But the need never ends it only gets worse. Soon you'll find yourself waking up in the middle of the night with a 5 year old in bed and get shit for not thinking that's ok and you'll think to yourself I wonder where this actual father of this child is now. Is he putting up with this shit?

The only authority you have over the kids is imparted from the mother. You can't be the head of the household because she already is. You'll find yourself looking after other peoples kids to other peoples standards. Want to impart your point of view or values to the inquisitive little fucker? He's not your kid! Don't tell him that.

You'll be pressured to give up the things you need/want to do for the betterment of other men's ball juice. Want to lift after work? "Why you always gotta be working out. You need to be here for family dinner. The kids need fed at 6pm they can't wait for you to lift for 2 hours and have dinner at 8pm"

Want to lie in on a Sunday morning and fuck your girl? Not going to happen. They'll be up running round the house and fighting at 7am. And your sweet little princess will be in angry mom mode yelling at them to shut up. Then she's going to give you shit for not being pumped to get up and make everyone breakfast.

Hey it's a nice day. Lets go to the beach. It's not fun anymore. It's constant noise from the back seat the whole way there and the whole way back. Same for holidays. Let's take the kids! We're all sharing a room. Gotta get up early get them fed and dressed and out to day care activities then you get a few hours peace till they're back again and it starts over. Sorting dinner and doing bedtime.

Then there's the jealousy. Bitch is trying to lock you down hard and is worried shitless. Stalking your facebook wanting to know who all your female friends are. Mention a females name from work. Who the fuck is that? Phone goes off. Who the fuck is texting you?

We were in the pharmacy waiting for something next to the condom shelf. Casually mentioned which ones I used to get. Got absolute hell for reminding her that I used to fuck other women. Bitch I just got forced into being a stand in father figure for you kids on fathers days because the poor little bastards were desperate to feel normal on it for once. I had a day out to celebrate the last two dudes that fucked you and your giving me shit about which condoms I used to buy.

The worst part is you will get zero appreciation for all the sacrificing you make and all the shit you eat. It'll never be enough because "if you really loved her it wouldn't be a sacrifice. You'd love them as your own"

Oh yeah the kids are cool though they can't help being kids so you'll have fun with them and get attached. They're your little mates that are always stoked to see you. Like dogs kinda. But when that crazy bitch dumps you because your not jumping to marry her. It's the kids you'll miss most. But they're not yours so fuck you.

Single moms- the low down

1. Fuck them all you want.

2. Do NOT be anything to their kids. (No touching, gifting, playing, schooling and no photographs together).

3. Do NOT hang around in her house or do chores or shop for her.

4. Do NOT be her support be it emotional or when junior falls sick or there's an emergency.

5. DO.NOT.MARRY.

I've had a few girls that are not even single mom's get mad when I told them I don't date single mom's. It's almost like are planning ahead for when they become single mom's and they want men to be suckers lining up to save them.

There's a difference between single moms who never support themselves and single moms who do. If she manned up (to use an ironic phase) and got a decent job (which often requires going back to college) and has supported her family for at least five years she may actually be good LTR material. She'll have proven she has a strong work ethic (something dependent single moms almost always lack).

Why is this even a subject of discussion? I mean, Im only 20 yet, but I would never ever imagine myself dating a single mom, especially after reading RP stuff.

I would say in my experience that childless post wall women with baby rabies are similar and are filtering for easy prey to trap. I’ve had women I met through friends wind up hating me because I refuse getting involved seeing their desperation and bullshit. Then they try to turn your friends against you like the toxic shit they are. They see your job, home etc and are already naming your trap-baby some stupid hipster name in the back of their head before they’ve even been rejected by you, only setting themselves up for greater disappointment and resentment.

My method for single moms when I feel the need to indulge is to only have them back to my place. They never can spend the night because they've got to get home to the little one. I've caught a couple of them rummaging around the bathroom trash for my spent condom too. Hilarious. That vasectomy has more than paid for itself.

They are a headache though it's true. Every one of them try's to legitimize their actions and everyone of them talks about their child being their life blah blah blah. Recently I've not had the urge for sex at all so count me in as one whose causing one more lady to spend a night alone.

unless the father died or you have kids of your own....stay the fuck away from single mothers.

Sure the sex can be great, however it's never worth it. Once upon a time I got involved with a hot single mom who would do all the things a woman had never done for me, endless sex, she'd dress super sexy, etc. Reeled me right in and manipulated me easy. Once she felt the heat that I was going to end it she went off birth control and tried to lock me down. Thankfully she miscarried and in her drunk stupor showed it to me. I ran.

Ok, so those cases mentioned were both for men married to the mother. So a pump-n-dump may still be safe, but I wouldn't take it much farther than that.

As many of us here at Redpill are aware, single mothers are plate material at best and should never be considered for dating or committment. Nobody wants to be a cuckdaddy for someone else's offspring. The following displays the dynamic she has with her Baby Daddy and why either scenario always presents a losing proposition if you allow the feminist cuckstate to dupe you Into thinking a single momma is worth something more than pump and dump.

Alpha Baby Daddy

She was a dirty slut for him. She saw him as Chad. He was leagues above her in value. She either trapped him with pregnancy to force a committment, or she tried to beta-tize him into an ATM/servant even though she knew it would never happen. He had better options and a spine and didn't want to put up with her shit while becoming a second priority to 'the chilllldrennn.' He left her for younger, hotter plates. In this dynamic, she will be looking for a Beta Bux, and you best believe she will fuck her Ex every chance she gets hoping he will 'man up' and take her back.

Where do you fit in? Well, in this case, here is this single mommas needs hierarchy:

The child 2. Herself 3. Her Ex 4. Breaking up the girl who her Ex is committed to (if applicable) 5. You Enough said.

Beta Baby Daddy

He throws money at her, puts her on a pedestal, is a subservient and domesticated cuck who can't lead, and is a 2 pump chump. She embraced the strong independent wimmin image and/or career lifestyle while he pays in alimony and child support following divorce. Now she's on the prowl for Alpha Fucks and is looking to 'experiment' and make up for all the fun times she lost on the CC and GNO while being saddled with this beta turd.

Where do you fit in? You're there to fuck her, but her body is shit, and her value is less than that of a regular single woman. She will still have the urge to replace her ex with you as the next BB via additional babytrapping or trying to make you a surrogate father and baby sitter, as her Ex is probably relegated to minimal visits courtesy of the courts, or is sitting in jail for being 'abusive' or falsely accused of rape. She's got his bux rolling in, but she will need you to become Beta for comfort. Here's the needs hierarchy:

The child 2. Herself 3. Her career 4. The REAL Baby Daddy (if cuckoldry happened) 5. You

Single mothers are worse than sluts, don't ever 'man up' for one. Real widows (not Alpha widows) are a different story, but the child's needs and her needs still come before you.

You can have an FWB relationship with them, provided you are militant about your birth control/make sure she takes it . Better, get a vasectomy and make sure your sperm count is nil at least twice consecutively before mounting her.

Ahhhh....but a secret weapon there is. Vasectomy.

If you have a decent job, a car, and a home of your own, the single mom is the easiest plate to knock down. She'll try to get knocked up, but if you're snipped, you can just bang away with no repercussions.

Of course, you'll need to stfu about it, but that goes without saying, right? Right?

Single moms are bad news and traps waiting to happen. I used to bang one regularly....she knew i wanted no relationship. I refused to meet her mom or her kids. Did not go out on dates with her. I agreed to come over one night for a booty call when her 2 kida were there....bad idea.

I was banging this woman and we kept getting interrupted by her 4 year old special needs kid knocking on her bedroom door....fuck that lol.

Soon after, she wanted a relationship and said she loved me. When i backed out, she made me out if be satan even tho she knew from beginning i wasnt interested in a long term relationship with her

There’s this thing called pump and dump.

It’s all the rage

I’m good friends with an ex of mine who was An amazing guy. Unfortunately at the time I was only 17 and he was only 21 so neither of us were in the position to have a serious relationship so we kind of just fell off with no hard feelings. I have a bf now but would totally date him if I didn’t.

Anyway Because he’s such a nice respectful guy from a good family he seems to attract all the “burnout” chicks that were popular in high school but never left the neighborhood. He was always an attractive guy but seemed too wholesome and boring for them back then when they were busy dating the wangsters, druggies, and fuck boys.

For the most part these girls are still hot but the “trashy hot” types that plaster on makeup and have too many tattoos to get a career so they’re stuck living with their parents selling pyramid scheme products on Facebook while chanting “my son Ayden is my king” and they know there is no way they will ever leave that situation unless they get a man that can upgrade their lifestyle.

I’m an average looking girl a bit of a plain Jane on most days unless I’m going out somewhere fancy and my ex is constantly telling me he wishes he could find a girl like me but now I know why when I see the kind of women who approach him.

Why the hell would anyone date a single mother? There are plenty of women out there who aren’t mothers. Dudes are too desperate.

Women are like waves to our rocky cliffs. They try and test and probe with all their might to quell that nagging question in their heads: is he all that he appears to be? The shit and fitness test don't stop coming with even old age. After thousands of years, the ocean will mold that impenetrable, jaggy, ragged cliff. The point is, as always, never to spend a lot of time on the same woman.

This is great beginner level advice. A lot of it is true. A truly single mom has to be the mom and the dad. They’re forced to take on masculine roles. Therefore they often have a tight frame.

If their frame is steel then they have a deep desire to let it all down and just be that little girl for once. I’ve dated women from low 20s to mid 50s. The older ones usually have better conversations yet I can game and tease them and they still respond just like the young gals. It was eye opening when I figured that out. I’m like oh fuck they never really grow up.

On to the lock down pregnancy part. If you ever “accidentally” knock up a women, then it’s your own fucking fault. Don’t trust the pill, don’t trust her IUD, whatever. You go raw into women you’re playing with dynamite. Not only the pregnancy but you’re playing with your health. Condoms 100% of the time, no fucking exceptions. Not her condoms, your condoms. If you want to get super paranoid and flush them then go ahead. That’s beyond my level of concern personally (I’m snipped as well), but it wouldn’t hurt. Yes, they suck but it’s a small price to pay to avoid a lifetime of herpes or a trip to the docs for antibiotics to clear up the clap. You can easily be a carrier for a disease without any symptoms, so it’s not typically malicious on their end. They just didn’t know.

The lockdown pregnancy is a bit of a strawman. Many single moms are very much “nope I’m done having kids” and want no part of all the bullshit that comes with pregnancy. It’s not a pretty experience overall, its glamourized by media. They’re not going to post on in instagram about their heartburn and morning sickness and how they can’t fucking sleep well anymore.

I’m a single dad. I make it clear that my social life and my family life stay separate. They can buy into my rules or they don’t have to play the game with me. I sometimes say I’m the guy you have fun with while you’re looking for your husband. I typically date my women. Single moms also want an escape from their life, and I give that to them. A fun night, a good fuck and they can go back to their lives. We both enjoy it. There’s also weekends where they’re kid-free. Good times can definitely be had.

Single moms have a place in your toolbox when you’re at the right level. They’re still women. Categorically throwing them out will severely limit your dating pool at a certain point in your life. After a certain age, damn near everyone has a kid.

I would second this.

The best you can ever be is second in her heart, after the kids. But you're usually third because she has a thing for the father of the kids. And sometimes you're even lower...because she lied about her attraction to you because she desperately needs someone to share the burden of raising her kids.

If you're a single dad, or sterile, single mums can be worthwhile.

If not you're wasting your time.

I seem to have attracted a single mother stalker. She's texted me 6 times in the last 24 hrs. Her rent is going up and she's broke. It's amazing how forward and shameless some women are when they want something.

Collary:

Single moms looking to lock down a wealthy provider will let you do anything you want to them before you are locked in. (Once they lock you down they start often withdrawing sex.)

Nothing is off the table in my experience once they see you as their meal ticket.

So, have your fun, make sure you flush the condom, and then move on once the pressure inevitably increases.

She didn't see a problem trying to lock the last guy down by getting pregnant, she will try the same on you.

Back in the bad old days I was dating a single mom....I remember one day, I went over, brought a six pack of beer, grilled some burgers, play football & video games with her boys.....that night, I went to her room and there were 30 candles lit and she was performing her best Linda Lovelace impression. Not too hard to connect the dots, glad I broke up with her.

I figure I'll start with grandkids, fuck around until I'm 60 (15 more years) then find a well preserved and rich widow with lots of kids and grandkids.

I've never felt shamed for not pursuing a woman with kids. I've even had women in my family say that it's nonsense for a young guy with no kids to date a single mom. Let her date single dads.

For those with no experience with women like me, I'll take anything I can get. I just hope she don't expect a relationship

If you can find one that’s not fat

Fuck and run

Duck and cover

Recent interactions through a red pill lens have shown me that it's not even worth the upfront headache of dealing with these women. Especially considering the consequences if you are trapped. The sex isn't worth it.

A lot of men think "She'll have problems dating, she'll have to compromise a bit, this should be easier for me".

Full disclosure: I've done it. Or tried to. And it's a fucking shit show. They have no time, no money and entitlement all the way into orbit and beyond. Their long term plan is to secure your provisioning to make her life easier. She hamsters that "family is a social construct" to justify her trying to rope you in. Ideally marriage, failing that another baby. Before you know it you'll be buying her new iPhone while she swipes Tinder longingly all day long.

The more I learn about women the more I learn that they replace value with entitlement. As they lose value through age, having kids or eating too many pies ..... they learn to replace the deficit with entitlement. Young attractive women push their tits in your face, single mothers thrust their entitlement down your throat.

Beta males fall for their entitlement bluff... "she's so hard working and independent, surviving all by herself only on maternity leave, alimony, child support and government subsidy ... it's my duty to provide for her".

It's one thing if it's your own kid. Completely different if it's not.

Ask yourself this: You have 2 women that are comparable in every parameter that you think are noteworthy (personality, temperament, age, beauty, whathaveyou). One of them has a kid, one does not. What is your incentive to chase after the one with a kid?

These women are not plate material as you said. And it's not about the shit tests although I do not contest that claim.

The issue here is they have already exhibited poor judgement. They were so self centered that they chose to bring a child into this world for their own selfish desires without consideration as to what is best for the child. The child should have a stable home and two loving parents.

She had done this before and she will do it again. This time to you. Past performance indicates future performance.

If you want to be on the hook for the next 20 years paying 20% of your gross income to this bitch then by all means go for it.

To recap, single moms:

• poor impulse control
• shitty planning
• self centered over their own children's best interests
• could not pick a man that would stick around or worse, actively repels good men

Any spell she casts on you, good sex, good head, prioritizing you, will be short term until she has you trapped.

Besides do you really want to invest your own resources raising cuck spawn? I do not. No thank you.

Do not take the bait.

Good luck.

Single moms come in various flavours. Any LTR situation is just out of the question but many just want a good dick inserted into their messed up lives.

Finally, junior is with dad for his weekend per month and she wants to cut loose. They are complete animals in bed.

A relationship with a single mom is hard mode times a million. I was stupid, I did it, don't try to follow me.