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RedPillpls 6y ago
I’ve heard many times to never answer a question regarding your past relationships or sexual experiences from a girl and to treat it as a shit test. I’ve successfully answered it with things like “what makes you think I’m not in a relationship now?” Or I’ve never dated a girl etc, but I’ve had a few girls really push to get this info from me and has made me comprise my frame a few times. I’ve never had a legitimate girlfriend and have had a few plates and Is like to give a more authentic answer to this question. Any suggestions on things I could say?
paisleyno2 6y ago
There was a job posting at my work (corporate finance) and I know the position got a lot of interest, internally and externally.
It is an interesting job, big promotion, with a large salary increase from the current entry-level job I am doing now. Just in my department alone, literally all 4 girls (ages 24-32) I work alongside with applied for the same job. Shit is about to get awkward.
Well I just got notified that I was the chosen one. No surprise as I did genuinely feel I was the most qualified and interviewed very well.
This is going to become public information next week. Any tips on how to best handle this transition? I know these girls are going to be pissed that they didn't get the job and now they are also losing me (a resource).
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womans_algorithm 6y ago
Focus on speaking from your stomach, or better, from your balls.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
In school everyone was just authentically themselves. Nowadays everyone is scared to be who they are and have some level of social retardation.
Women dress up in motivational quotes and follow cliche patterns and men are just afraid to be themselves out of fear of going against political correctness.
Why do people lose their genuine self as they get older and start to follow pre existing routines for who they are?
Not very well worded or thought out i know but it's something i've been thinking about recently.
irollnothingbut20s 6y ago
Because water flows downhill.
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42-AX 6y ago
Is socializing at the gym weird?
Everyone always has ear buds/headphones and is extremely focused on their workout. The people I have approached with an intent to socialize are dead fish. Hell even the guy I asked to spot my squats was nervous as shit.
Edit: I only approach people at the treadmill/water fountain/stairmaster, easy cardio-bunny type shit.
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I don't think it's weird at all, but it depends on the type of gym you go to. I have made a good amount of friends at my school's gym to the point where I know I'll have a friend there whenever I go. We're all powerlifters though. It's a lot easier to talk to people you know are in such a niche sport like that; a simple "Do you compete?" is good enough. As for the headphones thing, I just approach anyway, they'll take them off every time.
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42-AX 6y ago
Thanks. There's a few guys like that now that I think of it.
I think my biggest barrier will still be ear buds. I show up without them to socialize, but it takes two to tango.
Kickaxe 6y ago
For those of you post divorce with kids, how do you handle gaiming/disclosing kids with your plates?
For the record I am a 35 year old with a 5 and 7 year old with 2 plates. One I mentioned it to the other I have not.
Basically any tips to now blow the plate up when this comes out?
nebder 6y ago
I work in I’m not looking for a stepmom at this point in my life. I keep my family life and social life separate. If they come over it’s obvious there’s kids in the house. My roommate and I have a sock on the door agreement for planned invites. I don’t bring rando ONS back to my house. It’s her place or the car or nothing.
I talk about my kids just enough to show I’m human. It builds comfort and rapport. Usually a funny story about something that also shows I’m a good dad. Not excessively, you still want to maintain mystery.
I go for more dating/blackdragon style mltr relationships. I like to enjoy my time with women and fuck them. If the plate in question is just a fuck, who cares if you have kids. If you’re looking to take it to a bit more of a relationship, then work in a funny story if you think you should disclose your family life.
red_devil0_0 6y ago
A man is needy at times, leading to oneitis. He is emotionally sensitive, impulsive actor and invests too much in relationships. He suffers from depression due to stress from work and relationships, has high levels of anxiety. This effects his professional and his personal life adversely. Please tell me how can he deal with these all and repair himself to live like the Man? How can he walk the road of TRP?
womans_algorithm 6y ago
A man is clearly not ready yet to tame the beast, that is, a woman. He must build himself up first, cure depression, anxiety, start going to the gym, get a hobby or two, religiosly read Rollo Tomassi's work.
With this, all will fall into place eventually. And remember, a man is not a real man if he is not living as a man.
nebder 6y ago
Tell me what the man’s deadlift PR is. We’ll go from there.
SoulRedemption 6y ago
Any advise on decision making? For a person who always ends up on the fence and hard to make decisions easily, goes into over drive analysis to check good vs bad. Any methods to overcome the analysis and to train your mind to be more decisive?
nebder 6y ago
Define your code of conduct, your goals and your mission. Now you have something to test against.
Does X progress toward my goals? Is Y congruent with my code. Is Z part of my mission?
NSFWater 6y ago
I've recently identified that I have a bad case of oneitis with my best friend. She's dating someone who can be an ass, and she has been using me to vent lately. Aside from that, we're texting all day every day about anything and everything.
After lurking here for a while, its occurred to me that I'm coming off as incredibly beta and that I'm sure she has friendzoned me. Frustrated now -- I want to change.
I'm thinking -- starting tomorrow -- of dialing back all communication. Like 90-95% dialed back. For once, have her wonder about me rather than dictate my life to her as it unfolds (writing this sentence and reading it for myself pisses me right off).
How would you deal with 'the one' asking why you haven't been talkative? Shrug it off and ignore? I don't want to burn what we have, but I definitely want to come off as more desirable/alpha.
Background, I'm pretty fit. Have focused on my body for a long time, and watch my diet carefully. Good looking, no 6" model though. Currently in a state of frustration over my inability to draw in pussy, and that this oneitis seems to have me in paralysis. Have been hitting bumble/tinder, but nothing has really sparked through messages. Haven't been on a date yet. I know I need to in order to get over this oneitis though. The thought of going on a date scares me -- definitely have some deep-rooted confidence issues I don't quite understand the origin of.
Any advice is greatly appreciated!
SoulRedemption 6y ago
What about the simple ones? There's a natural indecisiveness that needs to be gotten rid of. It reflects when speaking.
Merwebb 6y ago
Me being uninterested = hot chicks attention.
Me being interested = hot chicks dry up.
What could you say is the balance?
agent_of_chaos90 6y ago
I've noticed the exact same shit. I meet a girl a day after breaking nofap, I'm cool, aloof, interesting but not enthusiastic. Day 9 of nofap, I'm aggressive, forward, and shooting myself in the foot. Mfw
mustardplug1 6y ago
I feel like maybe I AM somewhat of a Chad. I am buff, good looking (always have been), own 3 houses, have a decent job and have friends. The problem is I ALWAYS am depressed about not having a girlfriend. However it isn’t TOO hard for me to bring home pretty hot girls and bang them. My problem, is They’ll bang me once or a few times and then ditch me and not want anything more (me Even ones that are less attractive than me). I think I’m that maybe I am the male equivalent of the fake boob blonde Slut. Idk. What should I do to keep them around?
Snakysharky 6y ago
How good is your frame?
If you are just a bunch of good attributes on a paper she won't want to stick around.
mustardplug1 6y ago
I’m not sure. I’ve only really been reading this community and actually applying principles for like 2 weeks. I went out downtown with a friend and held frame while talking to 3 different 8’s and made out with all of them and brought one home. Normally I would just be a little more nervous and chat up 6’s and 7’s... I just walked up to all of them and if they gave me shit I tried to tell myself “actually what you’re saying IS COOL. They are dumb” and it worked. But yeah I see what you’re saying. Must maintain frame at all times.
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What's your opinion on instagram DM?
I know it's pretty weak but there's this chick I've talked to 3-4 times, have some great rapport, get a lot of IOIs from her when I see her. But we're in college and don't see each other too often.
She's recently single and usually I'd just wait til I saw her again and ask her for drinks but I'm going home for a month next week. Do I wait to see if I run into her in the next day or so or DM her and tell her drinks for this weekend?
LavaPipe 6y ago
Unless you look pretty damn good, don’t DM
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I am good looking. I think she already likes me, I see her fairly often but the semester is over so won’t see her in my regular day anymore. I’ve been getting tons of IOIs since she became single but I’d like to do something before I go home if possible. DM is only option. Do I just wait and try my luck in January in person?
LavaPipe 6y ago
Seeing her in person would be better obviously. Unless you know that you dont live too far from her I’d still avoid DMing because you could just become a texting orbiter. Unless your text game is on point, then do it
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UPDATE: Sent a "Me and some friends are going out for drinks Saturday. Come with us." Immediate response of about four messages of her saying she had plans but she'll change them and to add her snap cause she heard I was snapping girls and she felt left out. You have to love it.
LavaPipe 6y ago
Good shit bro, I’d say you’re in there !
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I would as well. I guess this just reaffirms some core RP stuff though. For most chicks DMing would make you look like a pussy. But if a girl likes you she'll look past most anything as long as you're talking to her.
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42-AX 6y ago
An alpha never waits for a woman to initiate. You need to man the fuck up and f-close when you want/can.
Frich3 6y ago
How do you get rid of the one jealous/mood ruining/obviously mad cause she can't get a man, friend in a bar setting? I know you guys know who I'm referring to. The one who has the disgusting look on her face when you approach her friend, and when you introduce yourself to possibly disarm her or lighten her mood, she acts like she's over your presence already.. I can't stand these chicks and they ruin the whole fuckin mood. Even for a chick that I've already fucked.
Frich3 6y ago
My first guess would be to ignore them, but that only works if you already fucked the chick. What about the one that you haven't fucked and youre trying to get her to win the bitchy friend over on letting her go home with you
nothestrawberrypatch 6y ago
I work in a camp where I live with the same 12 people for 2 weeks of my life every month. Our camp attendant is a HB9. She’s wanted me for a long time and we both know this, but I wouldn’t fuck her (don’t shit where I eat and I’m also married). Now she is dating one of the other guys in camp for which I feel happened because I wasn’t giving her the validation she was looking for. She is constantly shit testing me to the point where you could cut the sexual tension in the air. It’s got to be noticeable to everyone including her fuckin beta bux boyfriend. I want to tell her If we fucked I would ruin her, because she would compare every guy she’s with after me to me for the rest of her life - just to get her hamster spinning. I kind of enjoy fucking with her, and I’m pretty sure I pass her shit tests daily. It strikes my ego anytime I get shit tested and I love it when she eye fucks me after. Her boyfriend is also becoming a total douche and knew what he was getting into before he started dating her; as me and her have been obviously close friends for years (the way I wanted it) wtf do I do. Quitting isn’t an option at this point.
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Lemilleon 6y ago
What to do when you pass the shit test? It's always the same. I'll be in a party. See a girl I find cute and approach. We start talking, she being playful, I tease her a little, neg her a little but she never really feels bad because it's a joke. I can see she is kinda into me, but what to do now? How do I start Kino? How do I scalate the tension? How do I isolate her so I can close with a kiss?
And even after that. The few times I closed succesfully I asked for the phone/snapchat. Wait a few days and talk to them. We chat for a few days and then they just loose interest. I know that you can use text just for logistics but a lot of girls are a year o two younger than me (I'm 19) so they don't have a way to move around easily and they won't do it for me after just one night. How do I make them engage? How do I make them want to meet me?
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MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Spend some time looking in the mirror and adjusting your expression till you develop muscle memory. Resting Bitch Face is a real thing, and relatively easy to improve upon with visual feedback.
Your height and jawline won't harm you as much as your insecurities about them. When you aren't self-confident, your facial expression shows it.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Over the summer I got told by four separate girls four days in a row I look like a psychopath so there's that
nebder 6y ago
No, you have male rbf. What follows is not some inspiring bs. Be happy and turn your frown to a smile or neutral face. It’s likely scrunchy forehead. Relax your face and be joyful in life. Nobody wants to talk to grumpy fuckers.
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nebder 6y ago
I shave my head so I can disqualify that portion. Hair or not is quite irrelevant. We’re talking about your face. It’s the crinkles between your eyebrows and the forehead scrunch. I personally have lines on my face from them. The challenge I faced myself was that I always had “stern” or “focused” face by default. Having a great time in my mind... still looked like I was pissed.
Have your friends take some discrete pics of you. Obviously it can’t be when you’re noticing them. Compare the timestamps. Are you in your mind having a great time but still putting off an odd face. In my case, there’d be a great band playing and I’d be having a fantastic time, yet I still looked stern/aggravated/grumpy or whatever.
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nebder 6y ago
Ethnicities don’t matter. We’re all fucking human. Thanks to my line of work, I’ve interacted with just about whatever different skin color or whatever human there is. There are quirks but that’s arguing the exception. Body language is universal. You don’t get to claim that special snowflake status based on whoever your parents were.
I’ll go back to my original point. You have rbf. Again I’ll state this isn’t some stupid bs facebook meme. Let the joy of life wash through you. Half-smile when things are fucking awesome. If you have that smile plus crinkly eyebrows that’s cool. It’s the smile that signals you’re happy and love yourself, your life and all the experiences in it. It’s ok to “seriously” smile. It’s the smile/half-smile that shows you’re in charge of life and you appreciate it. People want to be around that shit.
People don’t want to be around the “grumpy” guy. They might poke the bear for shits and giggles, hence your question is this chick poking me a shit test. Other than that, why would you pick that unless you’re fucked up.
Here’s a thought experiment. Two equally attractive gals at the bar. One is smiling, not at you. One is scowling, not at you. Which one do you want to talk to?
CoronaTRP 6y ago
Is breaking up by behaving very beta a valid strategy if you in an LTR with a Psycho or maybe even someone who shares your friends and you don't want to lose them?
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It is a valid strategy. It can result in her losing respect for you and her being disgusted by very beta behaviour. If she is disrespecting you it might have effect on your mutual friends, for example her talking shit.
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MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I haven't invested a bunch of time looking at it; best I can tell it's religious people trying to sprinkle a little Alpha into their self-recipe.
thegodfather76 6y ago
What do you think of the guardian's take on " TRP"? I am shocked to see this. I have been following the guardian for years now. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men
Phoepal 6y ago
The article seems positive . I don't really see what you are schoked about . What I am missing there ?
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womans_algorithm 6y ago
I feel like my state/behaviour is either cocky alpha or comfort beta. The first one is ok, but I don't like the second one, especially with my FWB. I'm open to having something long term with her, and I can't seem to grasp the "positive man" state of mind (meaning, being alpha, but also supportive and providing comfort to her).
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womans_algorithm 6y ago
So 2 ways of being comforting but also alpha is giving her massage plus fucking her, and showing your strength in front/to her. I agree. What about saying "I like you" and similar sorts? Do I say that only when doing things mentioned above? (e.g. lifting her from the ground)
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gamecubefan95 6y ago
I have small hands. Is it over?
MrAnderzon 6y ago
Don't look that deep into it
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womans_algorithm 6y ago
Thank you for the response, I learned a lot.
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LavaPipe 6y ago
Why are you expending so much effort for one girl who doesn’t respect you enough and isn’t attracted enough to even “cuddle” with you. Confessing your feelings probably came off as pretty weak. You need to read the sidebar and stop being so needy. Go chase other women. I guarantee if you had a rotation of at least three bitches you’d not give a shit about this girl and she’d probably be way more interested.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
This is why you escalate and polarize the relationship early. Touch her, kiss her, make it a non-friends deal from the beginning. If she hard rejects these actions, move on to another prospect.
It's important to utilize push-pull. Too often, inexperienced guys will just push, push, and push, then when the woman wants to level off for the moment, withdraw 100% instead of backing off just enough to let her push toward you to signal interest in further escalation.
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Question for long time members. How come you're still around? I mean sure I lurk here sometimes but haven't read or learned anything extraordinary in a while. So what keeps you guys coming back?
edit: not intending to sound condescending, just want to broaden my perspective.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Once in a while there are new insights, new connections, and the like, even after life-changing epiphanies have mostly passed.
Mentoring younger generations has long been satisfying to me. I can't undo my beta early 20s, but I can share my wisdom and experience to put thousands on a better path, at a younger age than I did.
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MrAnderzon 6y ago
Two part question. Have gotten alot of first dates but no second dates. And I have only been keeping my text to logistics only.
irollnothingbut20s 6y ago
Dealing with something similar right now. Mark Manson's models outlines a good system composed of three pillars: quantity, quality, and efficiency. What you're dealing with is a combination of all three, most likely:
Quantity
Your location might just have a high flake rate. I believe LA is pretty flaky compared to other metro areas, because reasons. Mitigate with quantity. Once you sift through enough raw numbers, you come across a girl who genuinely is all about you and can't get enough. Timing is out of your control, and so, so important.
Quality
You know, maybe they're just not that into you. Has nothing to do with you, maybe you're a great guy they totally want to shag except oh you remind them of their brother in some crazy way so they'll be nice to you, but won't go all the way. There's a thousand reasons why a girl won't be receptive. When you finally break through a hundred girls who aren't receptive and she is? It's crazy. Then you just need to not screw it up by being needy, which is where efficiency plays in.
Efficiency, aka Game
This is your conversion rate. you have to build rapport first. Girls are like skittish little squirrels, since they're all addicted to media that convinces them that the world is super dangerous when we in fact live in the safest society in the history of mankind. Build rapport by giving them space at first. Wait a couple days after the first date before texting them a soft opening, like "hey jess, had a good time. what are you up to?" or some shit. Use the search bar under 'text game' and there are good guides so you don't come across as needy. Be sensitive to the amount of investment the girl is showing. If she's being needy, you have a bit more leeway. If she's being distant, she has low investment and you should know that.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
How are your dates proceeding? IOIs and positive body language with a kiss by the end? Leaning back from you with arms crossed the whole time, leaves abruptly at the end? These details will help diagnose where the problems begin.
Text for logistics only is a great strategy once you're involved, but applying it strictly, before basic rapport (much less physical intimacy) has developed, can work against you.
MrAnderzon 6y ago
I do keep physical contact close, even going against social norms to physically be touching someway. They are very excited when meeting up. Sometimes i go for this kiss and other times I can't tell.
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nebder 6y ago
This isn’t really red pill, this is simply being a caring person. The two can coexist done correctly. Get her something unique/interesting in something’s she’s passionate about. My ex was crafty. I’d find interesting patterns on Etsy and buy them to have her make them for me.
If she’s a basic bitch with no interests then buy an experience out of the ordinary. Pedicures or whatever.
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Eastuss 6y ago
If I don't have much time for lifting, is this efficient to spread body weight workouts throughout the day?
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Absolutely.
Google “grease the groove” and weightlifting, or the like.
The strongest mother fuckers pound for pound practice this technique for strength gains without muscle pump.
I would also recommend using hand strength exercises if you can’t complete full lifts. Grip strength is way underrated.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Just as an anecdote, I used to be on the fencing team at university as well as being in the army reserve. A lot of Olympic fencing (swordplay) is fine manipulation using your fingers rather than your wrist or arms.
Anyways, I had to do a physical fitness test with the army and one thing they measured was grip strength. I was about a buck 60 and my left hand measured on par. However, my right hand - my sword hand - clocked in at about what a 240 pound guy should have.
Snakysharky 6y ago
Probably better to have a workout block where you can warm up to prevent injury and increase performance.
Better than nothing.
Eastuss 6y ago
Hm will take warming up into account then.
But yeah, it's my "better than nothing" solution. :/
Snakysharky 6y ago
Resistance bands can be a nice addition btw
Eastuss 6y ago
Indeed!
Plus I can build a giant slingshot with it.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Manage your diet. Push-ups, pull-ups (you need a proper bar), sit-ups and lunges can work for you.
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Eastuss 6y ago
Yeah I dont have proper ways to do pull ups :( I use a chair to do some sort of backward push ups with my arms in my back.
and then i complete with dumbbells home
Entropy-7 6y ago
The alternate to pull ups is to get two chairs, kick your feet out and do upside down push ups. Works the lats but the difference is that it works the triceps rather than the biceps as with the pull downs.
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Entropy-7 6y ago
Make a fist and stick it in your armpit. Then punch down past your hip. At full extention your biceps are lax and your triceps are taught. Now if you hold your upper arm perpendicular to the ground and bend the elbow 90 degrees to face down, then push down, it engages the lats more than the triceps, but they are still there.
Stand in between two chairs that are facing inward and put your palms on them, then kick your feet forward and do the motion.
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Entropy-7 6y ago
I suppose it depends on your shoulders.
When I was in the army, I could do 80 pushups in decent form(well enough to not get shit on by the NCOs - I mean, you get guys fucking the ground rather than flexing their arms).
One technique is "micro-slow push ups". You do push ups in good form but in slow motion and hold it at the bottom and at the top. Just 10 of these is a glorious exercise.
Eastuss 6y ago
That's exactly what I do, and spend extra more time for the last one
^(except I only do 7 right now... :D)
Even when I was more active and dedicated myself solely to do more pushups, I never went past 30 and with a shitty form. I get bigger muscles in the process but weirdly don't get more strength nor stamina. I don't know how you guys can go at 80, you beast.
demilitarizdsm 6y ago
The golden ratio doesn't seem to be an adequate tool for social sphere exposure. My friends are funny, interesting, easy to get along with. Hers are bitchy, fat, uninteresting. If I introduce her to 2 cool dudes, it's way more valuable than if I meet 3 of her friends. and you start to get a glimpse that women purposefully pick low value friends and/or keep the high value ones away from you. (Low self-esteem, but I'm more a Patrice theory guy and I don't make her loSE my problem)
I can't properly equate the value of my friends in other terms either. They are worth more than cooked meals and thoughtful gifts. What do seasoned redpill guys expect in return for letting a girl meet your friends?
With social media, good storytelling, and leveraging her imagination, what are your thoughts on NOT introducing girls even as high as level 3s to your social sphere?
womans_algorithm 6y ago
How does golden ratio relate to you introducing your friends to girls?
Nothing. Doing that, you project social skills and being popular - value that women want. (EDIT: to elaborate, when women see your value, you can exploit that and get something you want in return (e.g. can you introduce me to your friend?)
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womans_algorithm 6y ago
Doesn't matter at all what some random person thinks about TRP.
thegodfather76 6y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men
thegodfather76 6y ago
The guardian! it's unbelievable
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
What is the difference between a roast/'dis' and a shit test? I know how to deal with roasts but not shit-tests.
I used to notice how sometimes a woman tries to 'dis' you and you have to 'come back' from that 'dis'. Normally, one would 'come back' from a did by agreeing and making it look ridiculous, inventing a story that features the 'dis' and makes fun of it or making a dirty joke about it. I had a girlfriend in my first year of college, coming straight out of high school. I noticed she'd sometimes try to 'dis' me and using the skills I learned in high school, I'd troll her about the 'dis'. Whenever I did, she'd say 'good comeback' and would start passionately making out with me. Lately, I've forgotten how to recognize 'dissing' so now I have to work on it again.
What is a pressure flip? Still cannot understand that concept.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
Those disses are one form of shit-tests in the particular scenario you describe. 'Shit-test' is just a broader term that could encompass a lot more than a direct insult. It's basically anything a woman throws at you for the sake of gauging your alpha traits from your response.
A pressure-flip is a technique for passing a shit-test. Basic example:
Woman you're seeing complains why you aren't paying for her (relatively low-effort shit test)
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
So let me get this straight - a pressure flip is getting the woman to answer her own shit test?
Also, supposing I was the one who asked her out. That pressure flip would not work. So would this example work?
"I am a gentleman. I let women always pay first! smile"
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
Basically yeah. I gave an example with no context because you need to figure out what to say on your own in the situation. You could, for instance, combat my example of a shit test by ironically using the John Oliver "It's [CURRENT YEAR], aren't we supposed to be equal? (also smile)". How you beat a shit test is your call.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Ah. I see. Thanks a lot good sir!
womans_algorithm 6y ago
Difference between disrespect and shit test is in covert communication. Is (s)be being playful? Shit test. Is (s)he being intentionally rude and is showing it with her/his body language? Disrespect.
Pressure flip: when a person shit tests you, (s)he puts some kind of pressure on you. In other words, you are being tested and you have to pass the test. Using pressure flip is putting this pressure back on him/her. This way you pass the test (by not defending/explaining yourself), and you put the pressure/topic on them.
I'm literally copy pasting this from one of sidebar articles (which you should have read before posting a single comment in TRP):
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Yeah I read the sidebar. Was still not clear on how to do pressure flips. Are you asking them a question? Are you getting them to reply to their own shit test? Are you dissing them back?
majorketone 6y ago
Its almost as if you are responding to a shit test by giving them a shit test back if that makes sense. They give you shit and you flip the shit they gave you back onto them.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
So its basically replying how you would reply to a 'dis' or roast?
Say if they say, "I fucked your mom last night." You reply, "That makes two of us".
majorketone 6y ago
A pressure flip in that case would probably be more along the lines of "damn she has really low standards then". Basically you ignore their shit test and just use it as ammo to attack them back with it. Its more on the offensive rather than neutralizing like the example that you just gave.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Ah. I see. Essentially its turning around their 'dis' on them. Thanks!
womans_algorithm 6y ago
There is an example of pressure flip in my last comment (the one you're responding to). I don't understand why you (respectfully) don't get it. Do you need more examples?
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Yes. More examples would be great. I am struggling to understand it intuitively.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
My major one is when a girl says "I am not having sex with you" after I imply it to which I reply "Woah slow down there cowgirl, at least buy me dinner and a drink first"
Merwebb 6y ago
"im not having sex with you either" grinning and letting your hands loose
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
That sounds like A&A for answering shit-tests.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
I'm not familiar with this term, mind explaining?
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
A&A = agree and amplify.
If someone says, 'you're stupid', you reply, 'yeah i'm the stupidest motherfucker on the planet' with a huge grin.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Ah yeah, works wonders for me
I also like "You don't look a day over 26" or suitable age way above the girl in question
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
"My name is (name), whats yours?"
Then I make some talk, or maybe just skip to
"You look like you will be a fun friend to hang out with. What's your number?" And add "I'm not a dinner and drink first kind of guy, I'm more rough sex and romance on the first night. Just letting you know now"
Overall yay or nay? I havent had a chance to test it yet but will soon. I want to know others opinions
Mr_Get_Right 6y ago
I'd leave more room for plausible deniability. They'd probably better enjoy being invited to a more intimate kind of date (say at your place). If they accept, they are into you. If they say "we're not having sex" they probably want to bang, but need to use their lmr.
Saying "I'll give you the rough sex" when asking them out says "give me all of your game pieces and stop playing, I'm going to get what I want and you have no leverage."
Of course, said the right way to the right girl, could work. But enjoy playing with them. Enjoy being romantic. If you crave getting laid, you might find the experience isn't as fulfilling or self-validating as you might think. It's okay to not bang if it doesn't feel like it's right.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Thanks for the vote of confidence, coach
I'll employ it and change it and see how it works. Thanks again
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IamLeinad 6y ago
Lifting before sleeping or when you just woke up? Which is better?
TSM_Bjergson 6y ago
I'll do 30m cardio before eating which does a good job getting me out of bed right away and getting my day started. Ill then do my weight training in the evening after getting in a sufficient amount of food in me.
JuicySosa300 6y ago
When you wake up. Exercising sometimes will keep you up at night if you do it right before bed
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I work out an hour or so after I wake up, after eating some breakfast. Really IMO, the best time is 4-5 hours before you go to bed, that way you fall asleep easier. Besides that, I don't think either or makes the biggest difference.
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showerdudes9 6y ago
Dont know why that would shatter anyone unless you lack discipline. Ive done that routine for a year, waking up and going tp work exactly those hours ur buddy did. Key is to get to bed early.
judethedude 6y ago
I think the jury is still out on this one. I feel weaker and stiffer if I lift too close to waking up (Still in school so I lift after lunch most days).
Snakysharky 6y ago
If you only can choose between right before sleep and right after waking up go with the morning.
Else find out what works best for you. If found mornings work better for me as it is a routine that you don't skip but at lunch I have the most energy and drive (also a nice break from work).
nah46 6y ago
Depends on when you wake up and how your schedule is. 9 to 5? Can you workout before then and not be a zombie during the day? Then you’ll have a full night after to relax.
I used to be a late night lifter, but now I’m an AM guy
itsjustsimon- 6y ago
There are studies which observed that strength is the highest in the evening for majority of population.
mental_models 6y ago
If you had to choose one of the extremes, morning. Have to do a decent warm-up. Don't go overboard with a pre-workout. Yes, caffeine will wake you up, but a heavy morning caffeine habit can catch up and start to tax your body. Headphones/music can help.
BewareTheOldMan 6y ago
Early morning versus late evening workouts?
Older man observations:
Older men like to work out in the mornings. Basically "eat the frog" early in the morning because that is generally the most physical effort for the day. 49 year-old (almost 50) actor/former NFL player Terry Crews uses this technique.
End of day is uncertain because the energy to get an evening/late evening workout done is expended throughout the day. The exception would be if the "old man" got in a midday/afternoon nap. Also - warm-ups/stretching exercises are crucial to avoiding injury. A post-workout protein bar for hard-days is good as well.
I can see where younger men don't have this problem. In my 20's and 30's, the time of day was immaterial.
Eastuss 6y ago
If my lifestyle is more about people asking me things and beeing needy to me, trying to impose their constraint and such, while I ask little to nothing and deal with myself and all my stuff. Am I some sort of "person in charge" or on the contrary some sort of "slave"...?
Snakysharky 6y ago
If people ask you advice then you have value in their eyes.
Really depends weather you get something back or not.
Eastuss 6y ago
Depends. Sometimes it's about asking me advices, sometimes it's about imposing me things and constraints, I never get anything back. Especially my wife is that way. Can't be sure if she wants me to lead or just want to enslave me.
Snakysharky 6y ago
I guess your frame makes that choice.
If people don't provide value/happines in the medium-long term then search a solution or cut them off
Eastuss 6y ago
Wife is actually the only one that still brings some happiness besides my newborn kid. if I apply this I'm basically going to cut off my mother.
Thanks for reminding me that things should be that simple.
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Entropy-7 6y ago
You need to manage your macros, but there are several competing theories about what the balance should be. I think the standard is 0.8g of protein per kg of body mass per day, but if you are trying to build, then you need more.
I'm no expert but IMHO, you should always maximize your protein intake. In my version, I limit (but don't eliminate) fat in favour of carbs. My sister is on the "Dr. Poon" diet, which says the reverse: eliminate carbs and don't worry about the fat (basically a keto diet).
IME, different people have different body chemistries so different diets work better or worse for them.
You need to experiment a bit and figure out what works for you.
shredzro 6y ago
Recommended podcasts? Beige Phillip, art of charm, art of manliness are what I like so far.
Shaney96 6y ago
Jordan B Peterson, https://www.trp.red/podcasts, Tom Torero (episode #98, for example)
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coco5440 6y ago
My uncle used to have girls meet him inside the theater.
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If you have a beta frame, anyone in your life will expect that they can take advantage of you. If you even have to ask then you're mindset is wrong. If you're going out make no indication you'll pay, and just pay for yourself the same as if you were alone.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Never agree if a chick says "buy me a drink" and never offer - directly - to buy her a drink. If you ask them out, assume you will pay. IME, you get three types: 1) the ones who are not into you but have some weird sense of honour will pay for the after-dinner movie or something before dumping you 2) the ones who are into you will buy you a gift or offer to pay for something else 3) the ones who are into you but expect you to pay for everything.
Type 3 is not necessarily a bad thing if they are high quality, but dealer's choice on that.
Being too upfront about wanting to go dutch tends to turn women off.
In a bar, if a girl asks you to buy her a drink, on ploy is to say "you buy the first round and I'll buy the next".
Tarmyniatur 6y ago
Motherfucker if you do invite a girl (or a friend) anywhere you SHOULD be paying. So don't invite her somewhere you can't afford. That's why everyone is recommending ice-cream and other inexpensive activities, not a high-end club with a cover and 10$ drinks.
dontbethatguynow 6y ago
If people are bitching about buying drinks and Coffee you should make more money to where it doesn't matter and is less than a drop in the bucket.
coco5440 6y ago
If an overpriced cup of Starbucks is really that big a deal just make sure you don't show up early. Most women arrive early and if you're not there she'll buy her own coffee like drink.
mental_models 6y ago
Agreed. Drinks and coffee should be viewed as 'seed money'.
The beta shit comes in when either your dates are objectively 'beyond your means'(your budget doesn't allow you to typically do 'x', but you are so desperate that you do 'x' to impress your date) , or after a date or two with a new potential-plate, you aren't benefiting from the relationship(no sex!?) but your date would be happy to go on yet another date, or an established plate begins to feel entitled to financial investment beyond her value.
Playing mini-power games over successive rounds of drinks or dates is going to have mixed results. Some women are impressed and see that you aren't a betabux pushover, and other women read it as awkwardness and worry about your resources.
It's OK to spend spending-money. It's OK to get pussy from women who think you are going to provide significant resources for them. It's just not OK to actually provide significant resources.
womans_algorithm 6y ago
Saying to split the bill seems a bit strange from a beta guy. Instead, say something like "i will get the cinema ticket, and you get the beer afterwards". This way, you are essentially splitting the bill, but not in an obvious "I wont pay for you!" way.
dontbethatguynow 6y ago
This works. another covert way is saying lets get drinks "first round is on me" implying that "i'm not paying your whole fucking bar tab"
womans_algorithm 6y ago
I read that even better is saying first round is on her, and second round is on you. You get her more tipsy (easier to get sex), plus you get her invested more.
dontbethatguynow 6y ago
I've done this before. Mostly when they propose the meeting. " We should get a drink sometime!!". "Ok, first round's on you". If she's interested enough and not a cheap wad she'll pick up the whole tab.
AshWebster 6y ago
tinder - all my chats seem to go stale yet when i make a meetup suggestion they go stale earlier? so i have to arouse her inner imagination first? and how do you guys do it?
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As others pointed out, that's how Tinder work nowadays. Unless you're very high SMV you won't be pulling. Or if you're willing to hook up with chicks 2-3 points lower than you on attraction scale. Every once in a while you might find a girl who's actually looking to hook up at that particular time and if your text game is on point it will be relatively easy to set up a date. However, that doesn't happen very often (once a week for me). Honestly, Tinder is a validation tool for 2/3 of women.
coco5440 6y ago
Its related to how hot they think you are. If they think you're a little hot they'll agree to meet IRL if it's convenient and they're extra horny. If they think you're totally hot they'll be dying to meet IRL.
womans_algorithm 6y ago
That's how 90% of girls on Tinder are - seeking validation. Only if you're top 10%, they will consider meeting you. (or if they are fatties, but I suppose you don't want those)
AlexDr0ps 6y ago
I get #'s from probably a third of my matches. No matter how smooth and confident I am in conversation, 90% of girls stop responding as soon as I suggest a time and place to meet up. There is very little you can do. Don't waste your time on any girl over an 8, I promise you she just wants validation. In fact, don't put too much effort into any girl, if they are actually interested in meeting up they will make it obvious. Just try to get a number in as few messages as possible and go from there.
Also, include a shirtless pic in your profile. This is the only thing that might help. Any girl who says that is tacky probably has "Not looking for hookups" in her bio and wouldn't be worth your time anyway
WarrantMadao 6y ago
Good ol' approach anxiety kicking in every time
LavaPipe 6y ago
Approach anxiety is a catch 22. It doesn’t go away until you start approaching
Heinzdoofens 6y ago
Can apocalypse opener work with friends you know but never really liked?
Its like asking your friend, wanna fuck?
Asking a girl acquaintance who has never seen your beta side unlike your oneitis.
If she rejects, she gets alpha widowed bcoz you don't care anyway.
womans_algorithm 6y ago
That's not how alpha widowing works. Based on this, I'd say don't try anything retarded (apocalypse openers) and focus on basics of RP, that is, read, lift, get hobbies, etc.
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That sounds like about the stupidest idea I've heard today lol. You clearly don't understand what an alpha widow is either lmao you should really re-visit the sidebar
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Nah, don't try apocalypse openers in social circle. as far as i understand, its really only good for night game, right before closing time.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Whats the apocalypse opener?
Snakysharky 6y ago
Directly asking if they want to fuck.
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