When you are sick or ill, you are disgusting. To me, maybe a little bit. I’d get you a Powerade and some Advil, drive you to urgent care if you needed it. But to your woman? Your long-term/short-term relationship? The one who sucks your cock? You are repulsive, and you should stay away from her.
If you’re mid-twenties or older, you’ve been there with a woman… It’s bound to happen eventually. It happened to me a few years back. Went on a date night with the lady I was seeing at the time. We went to dinner and a movie, and then back to her place. I had gotten chilly on the ride home but chalked it up to the fall weather. As we made our way up to her place, I felt something was wrong. I assumed I had to shit or something. Ten minutes after arriving at her home, whatever bug I had just swept over me. I had to lie down. I was trapped. No vehicle, fuck even if mine was there I wasn’t well enough to drive. It was a sudden onset bug, and it was miserable. My temperature was somewhere around 103 or so. I knew I wasn’t going anywhere, but I told the vagina human I just needed to sleep.
Not gonna work, they can sniff that shit out. She drew me a bath, and I went in with her help like a helpless fucking infant, and it warmed me up. She even threw a bunch of towels in the dryer for me to keep me warm.
But deep down, I knew it repulsed her. She never said anything. She smiled, brought me water, and held me until I fell asleep. But that incident, that weakness, stamped itself into her lizard brain. When we inevitably broke it off, I mailed her belongings back to her after she refused to pick them up. Certified bitch. That finally clicked in her head we truly were done, and that was one of the dozens of resulting insults thrown at me- that I got sick.
I always wondered why my father never asked for my mother to baby him when he was ill. It rarely happened, but when it did, he just shut his mouth and went to bed. Didn’t complain, didn’t ask for help. Just shut the fuck up and dealt with it.
Chronic disease? Tough luck man, I have one too. When it flares, I don’t ask for assistance. If the woman of the month or year asks, I make some shit up. Why? Because I’m doing both of us a favor. I had a flare in October, and I just hid out for a couple of days. Withdrawing will probably make you more mysterious anyways and will force you to stop being clingy if you have slipped up.
There is an aside to this, those weird women that fetishize taking care of sick men. I’ve never been involved in that type of situation, more power to you if you have a debilitating illness and swing that, but I would never trust the situation.
It’s weird, right? Because when you love one of those vagina characters and they are ill, fuck you’ll do anything to help them. If you are unfortunate enough to be LTRing with a girl who goes through a rough surgery, you’ll feel it. It’s embedded, it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Just be aware that those feelings are not reciprocated. Why? Because you’re gross dude, and my frat bro is down the hall. He’s two inches taller and his immune system is better than yours. Tough fucking world.
s/o to GLO, I think he’s responsible for vagina people.
syed_sanchez 6y ago
Just had an epiphany lol, when I went Spain with the ex, I got drunk and couldn’t even move, long story short she mopped up my sick, got me out of my dirty clothes and stayed with me in bed awake til 5am to make sure I didn’t choke on my own vomit. Couple weeks later, we have a small argument and she brings up what happened on holiday even though I apologised countless times and bought her jewellery to make up for it and she said don’t worry about it, it’s the past. Why bring it up then?
Edit: I’ve quit drinking alcohol too
berenmsc 6y ago
I'ts not about the 'looking after' aspect that repulses women, it's more about your attitude and your frame. If your frame is 'help me, I'm weak and I need your care' then that is repulsive however I don't believe for a second that the nurses who were caring for wounded soldiers during WW2 would have been repulsed because they knew they were looking after badasses who wanted to get back out there on the battlefield. Be that man who even though is not at his best wants nothing more than to be back in the warzone alongside his brothers rather than wanting to be little spoon with his girlfriend.
Nomfwic 6y ago
Damn.... And I thought they where just being nice. Noted, mistakes that I didn't learn from but from now on won't make again.
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TRP_mask 6y ago
Dude seriously, obviously he's willing to suffer because it's his LTR. If someone said he lost frame when he approached someone, are you gonna say he shouldn't care that he lost frame because wanting success is BP? You're taking it too far
dustyh55 6y ago
He's not willing suffer. He's sick he doesn't have a choice. What's it weak is that he is willing to demean and hide it for her approval. If she is the kind of woman that judges a guy on getting sick then she's not worth any time or effort.
Also, if a guy doesn't care about losing frame, he's one step closer to not losing frame.
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Nuts_unbusted 6y ago
this post is complete bullshit
CloudGuide 6y ago
I like it when women take care of you. It's often better than sex. Getting brought food and getting massages. Always try to get them to do this stuff for you.
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chazthundergut 6y ago
Part of the problem is it is hardwired into our brains to look after and protect women. Vulnerability to her man is a trait we find attractive in women. However, it does not work the other way. In fact, just the opposite. Being weak and vulnerable seems to be a major turn-off to women
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RED_PILL_TRUTH 6y ago
Agreed. Small controlled doses in LTR's have seemed to be the best. Or make up something that you cast as totally revealing about yourself 1) you couldn't give two shits about being thrown in your face later and 2) doens't turn her pussy into the Sahara.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Even if you don't care, doesn't mean she won't. First thing I learned coming here. I was vulnerable with my oneitis about certain things I couldn't give 2 fucks about but they were detrimental in her attraction to me.
Nuts_unbusted 6y ago
you see, this is why some of the guys in this sub are fucking retarded. you know how vulnerable jeff buckley was/appeared to be? he was a huge pussy in many ways, and yet how attractive do women find him? how fucking awesome of a human being was he?
if you cant actually understand that certain elements of vulnerability actually make woman attracted to you, you put yourself at a real disadvantage and youre going to spend your life pretending your something youre not. good luck maintaining youre retarded facade of invulnerability
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chazthundergut 6y ago
So you are using Jeff Buckley as an example of how being vulnerable is attractive to girls... do you not see how flawed this logic is? Jeff Buckley is a musician. He's famous, rich, talented, and a star. He can afford to be vulnerable, and in HIS case it may even work to his advantage.
But to then go and suggest that being vulnerable with a woman is in any way attractive to her... that is pure Blue Pill fantasy.
Nuts_unbusted 6y ago
The basis im am founding my perspective on is, true people that live with practical and justified egos understand vulnerability and play by its rules IT FUCKING EXISTS, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. You think youre not vulnerable? Go on then son - walk down dark allies in bad areas, agitate violent aggressive thugs. Lets see how long you stay invulnerable for.
Real men know they can and will die, so they act on this, and they DO NOT forget just how precious and fleeting life is, so they protect, procreate, and be strong FOR THE VERY FACT that rhey are vulnerable.
Real passion and lust for life is completely derived from the fact that life is fragile and finite. That is what people like jeff buckley embody. Sure, i am aware that silly low class beta girls and guys are completely blind to this, and they see nothing but the fame and success. You think real good men waste time or semen on that grade of silly fucking skanks? pfffff dont make me laugh
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
The correct answer is status and looks trumps shows of vulnerability. Especially if that vulnerability is part of his persona (musician). Proven many times on this forum and others.
Nuts_unbusted 6y ago
while to a good degree i agree that AWALT. BUT, not all women make the same choices or have the same personal value system that assesses "success" or "status"
chazthundergut 6y ago
"Opening up" to your girl isn't sexy. Being vulnerable with her will not make her pussy wet. Sorry dude.
Nuts_unbusted 6y ago
you just dont get it bro i never said shit about opening up or intentionally trying to showcase vulnerability. you're assuming im talking about being a little pussy when im not. Even the most stoic men are vulnerable, and its far wiser to acknowledge it than pretend otherwise. note that i said vulnerable, not emotional, not needy.
If you want to discuss things properly, you cant draw meaning from things so assumingly and indirectly. im being plain and trying to be careful with the words i choose.
you're taking what im saying and fitting it into how you think things work instead of entertaing the notion with an open mind. i dont care tho. keep yourself in the dark bro
victor_knight 6y ago
Let this be a lesson to all those men planning to marry thinking they'll always have someone to take care of them should anything happen. If she doesn't outright leave you, she'll make you regret asking her help. That piece of paper means nothing.
rigbed 6y ago
If you get Injured or sick she’s your servant not your mother. Give orders for how she’s to take care of you.
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Shariabluew 6y ago
Spot on analysis.
Your advice is good to be gone when you're sick like that.
I sometimes do it as a test actually and see how the girls react when I tell them I'm under the weather. Some don't help and do call me a baby (automatically she guarantees no commitment from me). A few girls will actually come over to try and make me feel better (bring me soup, tea, neocitran, etc.) Those girls get better treatment from me and I actually take them out on proper dates, while the other girls that chastise me for being sick just get used for sex since that is all they offer.
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Two words: toughen up.
What if one of the ole boys about to storm the beaches on dday woke up w a flu? Oh, sorry guys, maybe tomorrow. Fuck that shit.
Some chick running you a bath? Warming towels for you? Are you out of your fucking mind?
dirtygarbage1974 6y ago
This is because most men get useless as fuck when they're sick.
Be a man and do everyday shit you normally Do, just sick. She won't care.
Mr-Ed209 6y ago
Can't remember who said it but the whole 'she doesn't love you, the way you love her'
Was summed up quite well as; women are looking for a protector, men are looking for someone (of value) to protect.
It explains a lot of phenomenon. Every innocent seeming pretty girl having a slew of white knight orbiters - these men are just weakly following their instincts to protect some broad. They get that dopamine buzz everytime she bats her lashes and asks for some help with some trivial nonsense.
And yes, why women of child bearing age are quick to bail on a S/O who shows severe illness or weakness in the way of earning income.
FuckMichaelMcCoy 6y ago
Ehh, I somewhat agree but not fully.
A cold is iffy to me, but losing an arm or getting depression over something are the type of instances where I agree with you.
If a girl is dropping you over a cold then you were on thin ice to begin with. Meaning your SMV wasnt higher than hers to begin with. Or you've lost frame multiple times and lost face before this, and while she tolerated it, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
My point is that if a cold is making or breaking you then you are already on thin ice in her eyes. If you are Chad 2 SMV points above her, she will tolerate it.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
Never show weakness. It doesnt matter where, just dont show weakness. The only place where you can show weakness and get away with it is infront of your mom who will love you unconditionally, maybe just maybe infront of your dad but even that is speculative, you can get away with it as a kid as well but it doesnt extend beyond this point. Maybe you can get away with crying like a little girl in this soyboy SJW society, but no woman will ever be turned on by that just because you can get away with it. Everywhere else people will lose respect for you, if not directly then at least indirectly and they cant help but lose respect for you at least subconsciously even if they pity you in the moment. Showing weakness isnt just being ill, it comes in many ways, shapes and forms. Losing frame or getting over-emotional about something is flat-out a display of weakness and not stoic at all, not all emotions are bad if you display your willingness to want something emotionally but im here talking about a frame crack in an argument or a debate or something meaningless in the greater scheme of things. People will judge you for it. And im sure everyone here have seen this happen, a person they deem to be 'strong', authoritative or masculine lose frame and never recovering it again because they allowed themselves to show weakness. Im sure you even had a teacher who you thought had a strong frame, but then one day he gets asked a question he cant respond to and instead of amused mastery he gets over-emotional about his inability to answer the question so he loses frame by being angry or by attacking the person asking a genuine question.
No1 likes weak people or people complaining all the time, even if you have something to complain/vent/rant about legitimately youre better off ranting and venting about it online or something like that, people dont want to listen to your irrelevant bullshit problems. Only girls engage in this gossip talk where they get caught up in their misery fueled by their entitlement and beta males fall into the same emotionally taxing habit.
Nature is beautiful. And there is alot you can learn from nature, because we are part of the same nature. Tigers and lions are top of the food chain because they are strong, because they are majestic alpha animal - they dont have to fear anyone. Nothing. No one. You know what would happen if animal in nature showed weakness? THEY GET KILLED. Weakness = YOU ARE DEAD. DEAD. You will not survive. What happens if an animal in nature doesnt feel so well? It dies because it doesnt have the strength to be on the prowl looking for prey. So even if the animal is in the top of the food chain and it essentially wouldnt matter if it showed weakness or not (because a gazelle would never be able to bring down a cheetah no matter how weak or ill the cheetah is feeling) it still means that the cheetah is not going to get any food on the table because it is now incapable of hunting because it is weak.
Its only because we are humen with an abundance of food, shelter, luxury, niceness that we can get away with being a bunch of weaklings constantly crying, we are NEVER punished for being a bunch of sissies, but oh boy do you look like a pathetic joke and you are an embarassment to the beautiful nature and ecosystem that we are a part of. Everyone will lose respect for you if you are a man crying constantly no matter how hard people try to 'understand' you and 'listen' to you, weakness is a concept established for beta males and women.
Theres another point i just wanna bring up in relation to this, some "alpha imitators" meaning people doing the alpha monkey dance just to seem tough without having the frame or the mindset to back it up with have this flawed idea that they need to be 'alpha' in every situation - which basically makes them nothing but autistic with no grasp of social cues. Its like if you think that you should outshine 5 year old kids rather than play with them just because you want to act and appear 'alpha'. Be rational, dont be autistic. In nature you see tigers and lions relaxing all the time when they arent on the hunt because when theyve taken down a prey they can feast off it several days. They can relax and conserve energy and not engage in any crying or any fighting because they are on the top of the food chain, no1 will approach them to cause drama because no1 can beat a tiger, no1 can take down a tiger. Tigers are stoic and majestic and can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it, they could cry all day and still live well but they still refuse to because they are embracing nature. So pick your battles carefully, where its sensible, dont just alpha monkey dance or cry like a girl "just because you can".
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coco5440 6y ago
Not even mom. I never told mom when I cut my thumb almost to the bone with dad's utility knife (I was 5). I never told mom when my brother crushed my fingers in the car door (I was 9). Still have scars from both incidents. It was good training for the future.
Despite learning this lesson early when I met a woman who I thought was a unicorn my memory lapsed -- and I paid the price.
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OldPainless64 6y ago
The terrible thing is that we're constantly being told about the virtues of women: how 'kind' they are, how 'compassionate' and 'empathetic,' all supposedly female traits even though the evidence so often proves the opposite. What do you think happens to a society when the group which is supposed to have all this understanding and empathy turns out to be the group which flees at the first sign of trouble? You have a bunch of confused and potentially dangerous betas trying to figure out why they've been fucked over by their unicorn when all they did was 'reject masculine norms' like they've been told, and a bunch of typically useless women with no hope in hell of matching up to the expectations they've been given.
UrsusG 6y ago
They are... to their children.
These feelings are in them, just not for you, the man.
bluetangz 6y ago
Your fear of appearing vulnerable is justified, and does have consequences in terms of how women perceive you, but it’s nonetheless irrational. Sure, don’t be a bitch and complain about how sore you are from squatting, or how your gnarly flu is, but if you have a girl worth keeping around a little bit of vulnerability, especially if you are temporarily physically unwell, should never be a deal breaker.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
Yeah, you're using rational thought, logic. The pussy doesn't use those, it doesn't care if it shouldn't be a deal breaker or not. You get sick, she will loathe your very existence. Look how they talk about a man getting a simple cold, they're repulsed by a mild annoyance and call them babies. I do not let a bitch i want to continue fucking see any weakness in me. If I do the fucking comes to an end not long after. Getting a cold is weakness to them, not the logical part, but the part of their brain that drives that moist slit between her thighs. In the end that little hole rules them by controlling her emotions. They'll say it doesn't, but that's exactly what it does.
FinancierGuru 6y ago
" You get sick, she will loathe your very existence." Wow.
Mr-Ed209 6y ago
Fuck that's a good point. The whole 'man flu' nonsense is one of those weird things in society that strikes many men as out of place.
He's a BP feminist but David Mitchell summed it up quite well.
https://youtu.be/ug9oc-mg4e0
UrsusG 6y ago
Yeah but let's not get absurd with this. There's no need to quarantine yourself at the top of a mountain lest the bitch hears you blow your nose.
When I'm ill, I don't make a big deal of hiding it. I just make sure to not be needy: I don't ask her to stop by the pharmacy on her way home, or to fetch me anything, or do anything out of the ordinary on that account.
Frankly, IDGAF what she thinks of me at the time. I'm human and humans get ill from time to time.
If bitch lets a bunch of bacteria change her judgement of me, she's free to take that judgement with her on the way out.
dustyh55 6y ago
First red pill thing I've read so far in this thread.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
What should never be a dealbreaker is not the same as what actually is a dealbreaker. Women should never be entitled to something theyre not worthy of, date up or pick chad over a supporting loving and caring father or take 20 dicks before settling as she approaches the wall. But what does she do? She does all of this. What really should happen is irrelevant when it doesnt happen. Completely irrelevant. So even if it shouldnt be a dealbreaker, and it really should not in a beautiful loving relationship between 2 people, but in reality it is.
BillSander 6y ago
Of course it's irrational. He's talking about a creature that is NOT rational. Did you even read the post?
RED_PILL_TRUTH 6y ago
Yes. I've read Models too. Vulnerability can be useful for things that' ultimately don't matter. I'm specifically talking about severe instances of being ill or chronic diseases, especially mental health issues as the other commenter shared. I never said if it happens it is a deal breaker.
htbf 6y ago
There was nothing severe in the instance you described in your post. You just handled it like a wimp.
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Ditto on being sick. To her it is a sign of weakness, to your boss an extra expanse.
Reality is you are going to get sick. You'll need to go to the docs at some point, only to get well and back in the game is quick as possible. Don't wine, snivel, act like a baby, expect help or sympathy; man up. You can find sympathy in the dictionary somewhere between shit and syphilis. Don't dump your problems on others especially if your are still rather beta. Nobody will give a shit about your problems they don't care and may exploit it if they do care, especially if you are beta and neck beard omegas.
tenxs 6y ago
Beeing able to show weakness and vulnerability in front of your girl without her thinking less of you is a privelage that has to be earned. And even then, don't overdo it.
Currently I am sitting here with pulled traps. Can't even keep my head up properly and wearing a retarded looking ruff. My GF went out of her way to get everything I could possibly need from the drugstore, bought groceries for a week and just prepared dinner for me.
She is happy as a lark she finally gets to take care of me a bit.
Will I try my best to avoid a situation like this? Absolutely.
Kurush559 6y ago
Spot on...imagine the mistakes I made as a teen telling girls about my anorexia...
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Lol I am pretty sure that sounds like aids to girls that are already having sex in high school
Kurush559 6y ago
You couldnt believe the type of reactions you get
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Girls want to believe you're a god & god's don't bleed.
TryThisDickdotCom 6y ago
Anecdotal counter argument: @18 i had a stomach virus that almost took me out (18 days without peeing, severe dehydration).
My girlfriend was the only person who would visit me. She would ride me to conclusion, wash up kiss my forehead an leave.
During this time she visited colleges met guys, then brought them to a neighbors place she house sat for to entertain them.
She flat out told me after crying uncontrollably, I kept her around for a summer. Every night she flipped a coin to find out how to please me, then I'd have her sleep on the floor.
Those first two rules...be attractive, don't be unattractive, they work for me.
coco5440 6y ago
Just one example of the rule that guys should never exhibit signs of weakness. If you're sick or injured find some place to hold up until you're better. Or at least well enough to make light of your condition. Taking adversity in stride is masculine -- being a whiny bitch is not.
Also, when she says she wants you to share your feelings or tell her how you really feel she's lying.
RedPilledRoaster 6y ago
Never let a woman take care of you unless she's your mother.
SkorchZang 6y ago
The situation even with those abnormal "I will save you, you poor suffering soul" girls is not good. Their thing is not about saving you, it's about hopefully keeping you miserable for a long enough period of time so that she can harvest her Saviour Complex thrills from how selfless and wonderful she thinks she is, as well as the social media attention etc. that may come from that. They basically need you to need them, for sick kicks.
They act in a way that's similar to what smothering mothers do, and emasculate you even harder in the process compared to normal girls. That's one place where you can really see what Toxic Femininity is all about, except that on a regular diet of blue pills all you see there is vague fog & taboo.
EPArt 6y ago
So pretty much that scary film misery
DubiousPanther 6y ago
Reminds me of the movie "The Theory of Everything"
RED_PILL_TRUTH 6y ago
I figured as much, just wanted to put a disclaimer out there in case this does work for someone- I know there's probably some people out here with some fucked up health issues that would take the chance on that in order to get some pussy. I imagine I would roll the dice. I've seen the stereotype from afar just not nearly close enough to write about it.
J2RDRC 6y ago
I may be imaging it, but I’m sure somewhere on the sidebar it talks about allowing some beta/weakness through if you desire a LTR. I’m sure it was something to do with a woman’s instinctual desire to care and nurture.
Seems like it is a problem with either one of the people in the relationship. I’ve seen girls who lament their bitch boyfriends for being little whiny girls while ill and have also seen the same girlfriends swoon after their man with the tiniest cold. I’ve also seen men who don’t complain and are generally high value be treated like shit by a bitch, because she is and has always been a bitch.
Seems like it’s a toss up between the woman in question being a shitty human being or you not being as high value as you would like to think.
Maybe a similar situation would be with regards to making you food. If a woman refuses to make you food then it is likely she is either a bitch or doesn’t deem you of high enough value to sacrifice her time and effort.
IMO the whole point of TRP is to bring a solution to these kinds of problems. You don’t stand the bitches because you have abundance and you work on creating a fulfilling and high value lifestyle that attracts “good” women.
bookofcookies 6y ago
Following things happened in college:
I made a girlfriend clean up my diarrhea inside the toilet not inside me, because there was No TP (there was water and thebrush or whatever) and we still fucked that night. Just sayin'!
At the same time I had a girl who I called over because I was super sick and after banging her my sickness was gone. That's some sexual healin right there.
I have a friend who is schizo but light schizophrenic and he got bad one time and tried to reason out with her girlfriend and like made it an issue for like 2 days and she broke up with him. She was a psych major too and they are crazy.
These are observations and I believe in IDGAF.
broscientologist 6y ago
When “we” broke it off?
Did you ask permission?
RED_PILL_TRUTH 6y ago
That's what you took from this- a gripe with an expression? I indicated I mailed her her things, I would think that would speak for itself. Upvote, downvote, or post something constructive and move on haha