Just had an epiphany lol, when I went Spain with the ex, I got drunk and couldn’t even move, long story short she mopped up my sick, got me out of my dirty clothes and stayed with me in bed awake til 5am to make sure I didn’t choke on my own vomit. Couple weeks later, we have a small argument and she brings up what happened on holiday even though I apologised countless times and bought her jewellery to make up for it and she said don’t worry about it, it’s the past. Why bring it up then?

Edit: I’ve quit drinking alcohol too

I'ts not about the 'looking after' aspect that repulses women, it's more about your attitude and your frame. If your frame is 'help me, I'm weak and I need your care' then that is repulsive however I don't believe for a second that the nurses who were caring for wounded soldiers during WW2 would have been repulsed because they knew they were looking after badasses who wanted to get back out there on the battlefield. Be that man who even though is not at his best wants nothing more than to be back in the warzone alongside his brothers rather than wanting to be little spoon with his girlfriend.

Damn.... And I thought they where just being nice. Noted, mistakes that I didn't learn from but from now on won't make again.

this post is complete bullshit

I like it when women take care of you. It's often better than sex. Getting brought food and getting massages. Always try to get them to do this stuff for you.

Part of the problem is it is hardwired into our brains to look after and protect women. Vulnerability to her man is a trait we find attractive in women. However, it does not work the other way. In fact, just the opposite. Being weak and vulnerable seems to be a major turn-off to women

Let this be a lesson to all those men planning to marry thinking they'll always have someone to take care of them should anything happen. If she doesn't outright leave you, she'll make you regret asking her help. That piece of paper means nothing.

If you get Injured or sick she’s your servant not your mother. Give orders for how she’s to take care of you.

Spot on analysis.

Your advice is good to be gone when you're sick like that.

I sometimes do it as a test actually and see how the girls react when I tell them I'm under the weather. Some don't help and do call me a baby (automatically she guarantees no commitment from me). A few girls will actually come over to try and make me feel better (bring me soup, tea, neocitran, etc.) Those girls get better treatment from me and I actually take them out on proper dates, while the other girls that chastise me for being sick just get used for sex since that is all they offer.

Two words: toughen up.

What if one of the ole boys about to storm the beaches on dday woke up w a flu? Oh, sorry guys, maybe tomorrow. Fuck that shit.

Some chick running you a bath? Warming towels for you? Are you out of your fucking mind?

This is because most men get useless as fuck when they're sick.

Be a man and do everyday shit you normally Do, just sick. She won't care.

Can't remember​ who said it but the whole 'she doesn't love you, the way you love her'

Was summed up quite well as; women are looking for a protector, men are looking for someone (of value) to protect.

It explains a lot of phenomenon. Every innocent seeming pretty girl having a slew of white knight orbiters - these men are just weakly following their instincts to protect some broad. They get that dopamine buzz everytime she bats her lashes and asks for some help with some trivial nonsense.

And yes, why women of child bearing age are quick to bail on a S/O who shows severe illness or weakness in the way of earning income.

Ehh, I somewhat agree but not fully.

A cold is iffy to me, but losing an arm or getting depression over something are the type of instances where I agree with you.

If a girl is dropping you over a cold then you were on thin ice to begin with. Meaning your SMV wasnt higher than hers to begin with. Or you've lost frame multiple times and lost face before this, and while she tolerated it, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

My point is that if a cold is making or breaking you then you are already on thin ice in her eyes. If you are Chad 2 SMV points above her, she will tolerate it.

Never show weakness. It doesnt matter where, just dont show weakness. The only place where you can show weakness and get away with it is infront of your mom who will love you unconditionally, maybe just maybe infront of your dad but even that is speculative, you can get away with it as a kid as well but it doesnt extend beyond this point. Maybe you can get away with crying like a little girl in this soyboy SJW society, but no woman will ever be turned on by that just because you can get away with it. Everywhere else people will lose respect for you, if not directly then at least indirectly and they cant help but lose respect for you at least subconsciously even if they pity you in the moment. Showing weakness isnt just being ill, it comes in many ways, shapes and forms. Losing frame or getting over-emotional about something is flat-out a display of weakness and not stoic at all, not all emotions are bad if you display your willingness to want something emotionally but im here talking about a frame crack in an argument or a debate or something meaningless in the greater scheme of things. People will judge you for it. And im sure everyone here have seen this happen, a person they deem to be 'strong', authoritative or masculine lose frame and never recovering it again because they allowed themselves to show weakness. Im sure you even had a teacher who you thought had a strong frame, but then one day he gets asked a question he cant respond to and instead of amused mastery he gets over-emotional about his inability to answer the question so he loses frame by being angry or by attacking the person asking a genuine question.

No1 likes weak people or people complaining all the time, even if you have something to complain/vent/rant about legitimately youre better off ranting and venting about it online or something like that, people dont want to listen to your irrelevant bullshit problems. Only girls engage in this gossip talk where they get caught up in their misery fueled by their entitlement and beta males fall into the same emotionally taxing habit.

Nature is beautiful. And there is alot you can learn from nature, because we are part of the same nature. Tigers and lions are top of the food chain because they are strong, because they are majestic alpha animal - they dont have to fear anyone. Nothing. No one. You know what would happen if animal in nature showed weakness? THEY GET KILLED. Weakness = YOU ARE DEAD. DEAD. You will not survive. What happens if an animal in nature doesnt feel so well? It dies because it doesnt have the strength to be on the prowl looking for prey. So even if the animal is in the top of the food chain and it essentially wouldnt matter if it showed weakness or not (because a gazelle would never be able to bring down a cheetah no matter how weak or ill the cheetah is feeling) it still means that the cheetah is not going to get any food on the table because it is now incapable of hunting because it is weak.

Its only because we are humen with an abundance of food, shelter, luxury, niceness that we can get away with being a bunch of weaklings constantly crying, we are NEVER punished for being a bunch of sissies, but oh boy do you look like a pathetic joke and you are an embarassment to the beautiful nature and ecosystem that we are a part of. Everyone will lose respect for you if you are a man crying constantly no matter how hard people try to 'understand' you and 'listen' to you, weakness is a concept established for beta males and women.

Theres another point i just wanna bring up in relation to this, some "alpha imitators" meaning people doing the alpha monkey dance just to seem tough without having the frame or the mindset to back it up with have this flawed idea that they need to be 'alpha' in every situation - which basically makes them nothing but autistic with no grasp of social cues. Its like if you think that you should outshine 5 year old kids rather than play with them just because you want to act and appear 'alpha'. Be rational, dont be autistic. In nature you see tigers and lions relaxing all the time when they arent on the hunt because when theyve taken down a prey they can feast off it several days. They can relax and conserve energy and not engage in any crying or any fighting because they are on the top of the food chain, no1 will approach them to cause drama because no1 can beat a tiger, no1 can take down a tiger. Tigers are stoic and majestic and can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it, they could cry all day and still live well but they still refuse to because they are embracing nature. So pick your battles carefully, where its sensible, dont just alpha monkey dance or cry like a girl "just because you can".

The terrible thing is that we're constantly being told about the virtues of women: how 'kind' they are, how 'compassionate' and 'empathetic,' all supposedly female traits even though the evidence so often proves the opposite. What do you think happens to a society when the group which is supposed to have all this understanding and empathy turns out to be the group which flees at the first sign of trouble? You have a bunch of confused and potentially dangerous betas trying to figure out why they've been fucked over by their unicorn when all they did was 'reject masculine norms' like they've been told, and a bunch of typically useless women with no hope in hell of matching up to the expectations they've been given.

Your fear of appearing vulnerable is justified, and does have consequences in terms of how women perceive you, but it’s nonetheless irrational. Sure, don’t be a bitch and complain about how sore you are from squatting, or how your gnarly flu is, but if you have a girl worth keeping around a little bit of vulnerability, especially if you are temporarily physically unwell, should never be a deal breaker.

Ditto on being sick. To her it is a sign of weakness, to your boss an extra expanse.

Reality is you are going to get sick. You'll need to go to the docs at some point, only to get well and back in the game is quick as possible. Don't wine, snivel, act like a baby, expect help or sympathy; man up. You can find sympathy in the dictionary somewhere between shit and syphilis. Don't dump your problems on others especially if your are still rather beta. Nobody will give a shit about your problems they don't care and may exploit it if they do care, especially if you are beta and neck beard omegas.

Beeing able to show weakness and vulnerability in front of your girl without her thinking less of you is a privelage that has to be earned. And even then, don't overdo it.

Currently I am sitting here with pulled traps. Can't even keep my head up properly and wearing a retarded looking ruff. My GF went out of her way to get everything I could possibly need from the drugstore, bought groceries for a week and just prepared dinner for me.

She is happy as a lark she finally gets to take care of me a bit.

Will I try my best to avoid a situation like this? Absolutely.

Spot on...imagine the mistakes I made as a teen telling girls about my anorexia...

Girls want to believe you're a god & god's don't bleed.

Anecdotal counter argument: @18 i had a stomach virus that almost took me out (18 days without peeing, severe dehydration).

My girlfriend was the only person who would visit me. She would ride me to conclusion, wash up kiss my forehead an leave.

During this time she visited colleges met guys, then brought them to a neighbors place she house sat for to entertain them.

She flat out told me after crying uncontrollably, I kept her around for a summer. Every night she flipped a coin to find out how to please me, then I'd have her sleep on the floor.

Those first two rules...be attractive, don't be unattractive, they work for me.

Just one example of the rule that guys should never exhibit signs of weakness. If you're sick or injured find some place to hold up until you're better. Or at least well enough to make light of your condition. Taking adversity in stride is masculine -- being a whiny bitch is not.

Also, when she says she wants you to share your feelings or tell her how you really feel she's lying.

Never let a woman take care of you unless she's your mother.

The situation even with those abnormal "I will save you, you poor suffering soul" girls is not good. Their thing is not about saving you, it's about hopefully keeping you miserable for a long enough period of time so that she can harvest her Saviour Complex thrills from how selfless and wonderful she thinks she is, as well as the social media attention etc. that may come from that. They basically need you to need them, for sick kicks.

They act in a way that's similar to what smothering mothers do, and emasculate you even harder in the process compared to normal girls. That's one place where you can really see what Toxic Femininity is all about, except that on a regular diet of blue pills all you see there is vague fog & taboo.

I may be imaging it, but I’m sure somewhere on the sidebar it talks about allowing some beta/weakness through if you desire a LTR. I’m sure it was something to do with a woman’s instinctual desire to care and nurture.

Seems like it is a problem with either one of the people in the relationship. I’ve seen girls who lament their bitch boyfriends for being little whiny girls while ill and have also seen the same girlfriends swoon after their man with the tiniest cold. I’ve also seen men who don’t complain and are generally high value be treated like shit by a bitch, because she is and has always been a bitch.

Seems like it’s a toss up between the woman in question being a shitty human being or you not being as high value as you would like to think.

Maybe a similar situation would be with regards to making you food. If a woman refuses to make you food then it is likely she is either a bitch or doesn’t deem you of high enough value to sacrifice her time and effort.

IMO the whole point of TRP is to bring a solution to these kinds of problems. You don’t stand the bitches because you have abundance and you work on creating a fulfilling and high value lifestyle that attracts “good” women.

Following things happened in college:

I made a girlfriend clean up my diarrhea inside the toilet not inside me, because there was No TP (there was water and thebrush or whatever) and we still fucked that night. Just sayin'!

At the same time I had a girl who I called over because I was super sick and after banging her my sickness was gone. That's some sexual healin right there.

I have a friend who is schizo but light schizophrenic and he got bad one time and tried to reason out with her girlfriend and like made it an issue for like 2 days and she broke up with him. She was a psych major too and they are crazy.

These are observations and I believe in IDGAF.