There are several platitudes thrown around here on trp regarding the subject of "respecting" women. Or in other words: how useless are they ? Some say they are simple baby machines, some say they can do everything a man can but they just don’t want to, and some say that it’s all upbringing and the better they are forged the better they end up.
I'm in the process of swallowing the pill since about two years. I've read all the sidebar material and the top 200 posts and everything I could get my hands on. I've posted stupid shit, talked and commented stuff I didn't understand and have not internalized most aspects. However 90% of the material clicked instantly (in theory at least). But one topic I had a very hard time to get over... the problem having two parts:
First part: I was, basically thinking all my life, that absent of individuals with very low intelligence, men and women and all of humanity are basically capable of doing anything and it’s just a matter of preference and upbringing. This view was taught by school, family and Hollywood movies alike. everybody equal, right?
This view is obviously conflicting with trp, at least to some degree. How could women be useless vagina people and go to university at the same time ?
And the Second Part: I was never the most social guy, but I have some really close really good friends, the kind you know since childhood. I assumed women as equal, so I expected to find a soulmate who would be wife and intimate friend at the same time. A beautiful thought, having someone like that, isn’t it?
The resulting problem while swallowing the pill was the destruction of that fantasy. It was so disheartening. Can I really not be close to her and feel a real connection ? If I can’t have a soulmate, is it really worth it ? Of course I was a pussy!
At some point like a year ago, I tested the dominant, don’t give a fuck, heavy escalating behavior and had instant success. Once you overcome the internal mental blocks and fears and just see and treat them as play-things, the difference in responses you get compared to “normal” polite beta tactics is astounding!
That was a problem for me, because acknowledging this as true within all women results in the following conclusion:
Respect is inherently something which is not laying on the ground ready to be picked up, it is something that can only be earned through action and achievement. You cannot force respect, it is the “other” person who decides based on how they perceive you!
The same way it is impossible for a women to "respect" her tit suckling beta boyfriend who caters to her every wish, it is impossible for men to respect and view women as equally capable because they are not acting on their own, they are reacting to you!
Men and women are different. You can respect her sense for aesthetics. You can respect her dedication and empathy towards a child. You can respect nurses for dealing with old people. You can respect her for making your house a home. You cannot respect her like you respect a man, because they don’t create their own way of life! They join the way of life of a YOU!
NO! You cannot rely on her the way you rely on your friends. You cannot be her soulmate. You can like her quirks, her submissive behavior, her firm tits, the way she presents herself, her company, whatever but never unconditionally. You have to set the boundaries of your relationship and enforce them. You need a way of life (mission) and guide the relationship. And because you do that and she does not, she is not on the same level as you.
Ichewfivegum 7y ago
Most women just get treated well for no reason. They don't have to earn it. They don't know what it's like not being respected. That's why I don't respect women. And they love it. Inside every girl is a crazy little psychopath that craves to me dominated. Some girls are just better at hiding it.
cookin_breakfast 7y ago
The red pill:
Lift/hygiene/style
Get Hobbies/Be social (I.e. have male friends of varying SMV. Keep platonic female friendships strategically to open connections to other females.)
Don't be a pussy, be stoic, tend towards high t behavior when you can. Repress any memories of getting mogged to protect your confidence.
Understand what a shit test is and how to handle it (basically: laugh off insults, or double down and make them uncomfortable back. Latter only works for obviously high t males).
Disclaimer: (black pill) The uglier/lower T you look, the less you will gain from any of this. Apply Roids, surgery, and elevator shoes as needed. Also, about 10% of the American male population under 35 can ignore all of this advice and have 100x the success you will ever have due to their genetics. Some people will grind for years and not once get with a woman of their desired attractive level. It's a numbers game.
Blue pill (aka married red pill): Once you have managed to find someone who will submit to you given your SMV is obviously higher then theirs, continue to be social and lift, and have a low tolerance for disrespect. Build a strong connection over a life time so they will wipe your ass daily in your final decade after you stroke out at age 55.
AwesomeCool909 7y ago
The Bible has the correct info about this
Husband loves wife, mother love kids.
Kids respect mother, mother respect husband.
But now with birth control and feminism
Husband loves wife, wife loves self, kids are secondary
Kids love and respect mother, mother demands respect and uses husband til he is gone
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SauronLordoftheRings 7y ago
What you need to understand is that: 1) Hollywood is a propaganda machine (has been more and more since the early 2000s) so don't believe what you see in the movies or you'll end up as a nice guy, 2) There is no such thing as true love or a "soulmate" but relationships can be great if you know how to lead the relationship instead of being led by your girlfriend. Also, if you want to have sex with many beautiful women and you live in North America, I recommend you become as muscular as you can be, because even though women say they do not like a big muscular guy they are lying because what a woman says is not the same as what a woman does, there is a very good website I've been reading about that teaches how to have a happy relationship by using a reward-punishment mechanism with your girlfriend (there is no violence in there don't worry, everything is psychological and pretty easy to do), and the guy on the website shows the benefits of working out and there is a detailed article with many valuable sources that prove that big muscles are a sign of dominance and makes women want you more. So here are the links: for relationships: http://thewinninglane.com/reward-punish-girlfriend/ sex benefits of gaining muscle: http://thewinninglane.com/strength-training-sex-benefits/
Also, by following this reward-punishment mechanism, instead of having a very negative girlfriend like most girls are nowadays, you will instead have a very nice and very sweet girlfriend. Just to give you an idea, the reward-punishment mechanism involves punishing women for bad behaviour (by taking your attention away from them, not listening to what they have to say, or temporarily breaking contact with her) and rewarding them for good behaviour (by giving them more attention, and if the good behaviour is maintained for a long period of time you can increase the rewards). One last thing, even though we, men, may never have as much control as we used to before the 1960s, we can use this mechanism to have happy relationships. Of course, by applying this, you have to have a willingness to walk away, meaning that you have to not care if she breaks up with you for doing what you are doing, anyways getting a girlfriend is easy, all you need to do is approach a girl on the street or in any establishment that isn't your workplace, and start a short conversation, at the end of the conversation, you try to schedule a date with her on the same day. Then if it's successful you get another date, then another, and after 3-6 dates you should have already had sex with her.
buddhadarko 7y ago
I would say that respect for women has to be transient. You can respect them in the moment for something, but, you can't let that spill over into everything. If you start respecting her for everything she will sense it and she will feel that she has the upper hand - and you know how women behave when the feel something. They take it as truth and run like hell with it. If she's doing things for you that you appreciate, let her know, but don't start kissing her ass or letting her tell you how to do shit/run shit - she will start thinking that she's entitled to everything no matter the source of it's origin (which would be you, the man).
Respect her in the moment but let that shit go. She's gotta do something else and then earn respect for THAT, but you also let that go. Can't let it carry over because it will weaken your frame.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 7y ago
Then let me show you the door.
ThrowingMyslfOutther 7y ago
Then congrats for posting to the stupidest sub you have ever come across, you moralizing cunt.
Dmva100 7y ago
Don't 'respect women' unless they earn it. Respecting women by default is being sexist because you are treating them differently simply because of their gender (vagina). It is also beta as fuck.
Unless they respect you first and consistently make an effort to do so, don't respect women. Most are clowns. Hell, they even wear makeup and drive little cars.
Rethgil 7y ago
Respect is not automatic, it has to be EARNED. Who on earth thinks someone 'deserves' it more than someone else just because they have a physical difference??
That's like treating people with facial moles as Gods just because of a crazed belief it makes them somehow special.
Women want equality. OK here's equality. No special breaks. No extra believing your word without proof. No diamond rings. Equality. Human rights. A chance to prove yourself up to a challenge. But a rejection if you can't.
That's what you wanted. That's what you'll get. Fine by us.
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Sex*
Gender is what a person FEELS as any given moment! Sex is the biological sign that a DOCTOR assigns to someone at birth! Refrain from using that word incorrectly ever again /s
mishasam89 7y ago
Nice.
the clown example killed it! lol
JimGusa 7y ago
No inherently deserves respect. Only respect someone of either gender once they show they deserve it.
CallMeHaseo 7y ago
I'm with this these hoes feel entitled to your respect, guilty until proven innocent is how I go.
Xaccus 7y ago
What if I just show respect to everyone?
Blackhawk2479 7y ago
Respect is earned dude, you’re confusing it with being polite.
Always be polite, respect those that earn it.
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Respect isn't a switch to be turned on and off.
It's a scale that can be adjusted.
Dmva100 7y ago
Yeah rapists and pedos need love too. Don't forget prostitutes and murderers.
Your attitude is full of egalitarian bullshit. If you respect everyone, then respect has no value.
mental_models 7y ago
Good point. Xaccus seems to be conflating respect with politeness/ social norms.
Cairnsian 7y ago
Hmm, good point. I bet I could turn you into a murderer...
Xaccus 7y ago
You apparently didn't read my other reply.
For me it's not as much that everyone has my respect, but showing respect is my default unless that person has done something to actually make me stop.
There is also a difference between showing respect and "respecting someone"
generic_loli1337 7y ago
what is wrong with being a pedo? do you hate gays too?
PinkyBlinky 7y ago
You know what he meant, and plenty of people on this sub don't actually approve of homosexuality
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
Do you show the same respect to a lesser man?
Xaccus 7y ago
Depends on what you mean by lesser. Sociopathic behavior? Rape tendencies? No.
Less physically fit? Less capable? Less intelligent? Yes. I would still show them respect.
SorcererKing 7y ago
Check out the Jordan Peterson video on respect. It may help you clarify your thinking in this area.
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
If so, then what you're doing is perfectly reasonable.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
You're conflating respect with politeness. Not surprising since you're told they're the same thing.
Respect is earned. It's saying "ok, this individual is not the average loser, they've achieved something most can't."
Polite is opening doors, extending a verbal greeting, shit like that. You do that not because you respect the other person, but because it's a social norm.
Alexinfinite01 7y ago
I would appreciate if you could go on more about the difference between the two. I'm trying to wrap my head around what it means when people say "respect" on here. I find I give a certain baseline level of respect to people when I meet them but I'm starting to wonder if it's just politeness.
What is respect and how do you show or withdraw it to your advantage? I'm really flipped on my head on the matter and could use a few pointers
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Anything except understanding their attraction triggers, sympathize with men, or tell anything (and I REALLY mean ANYTHING) related to sex, women, or romance.
In two words: Women's Studies.
Of course some women study legitimate fields and have business success:
Can women be business leaders? Sure!
Can women be politicians? You bet!
Can women be engineers? I have two female cousins who are engineers.
Can women be lawyers? Duh!
Can women be surgeons? My last surgery was by a young female surgeon who was the best in the whole area.
However, can they tell the truth about what attracts them and how they REALLY want men who are fucking them to treat them? Not a fucking chance. AWALT.
Exactly! Men and women are not so different after all. Men who REACT to women make it impossible for women to respect them. Thus Shit Tests, Stoicism, Game, Agree and Amplify, Ignore, etc.
Alphadestrious 7y ago
Amen. This should be testament. Make women react to you and not the other way around.
Shippoyasha 7y ago
The problem is that society expects this to not happen anymore. That being active in a relationship is a one way road.
Westernhagen 7y ago
Yes but they don't want to be. They want to be pediatricians or dermatologists or something less icky and with normal working hours. Too bad they deny med school slots to men who want to be surgeons.
Jaujarahje 7y ago
Then why are they becoming surgeons if they dont want to?
Westernhagen 7y ago
No, no, no, idiot. Women CAN be surgeons. The ones who are, want to be. But most women physicians do not want to be surgeons. Women prefer family medicine, psychiatry, pediatrics, obstetrics/gynecology. Men prefer surgery, emergency medicine, anesthesiology, radiology, internal medicine.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Have an upvote for being right. Some pussies got offended by your language probably. Poor little beings!
PinkyBlinky 7y ago
No one got offended his wording was just ambiguous
InstantKarma706 7y ago
What? I'm sure any woman who goes through the trouble to become a surgeon, wants to be a surgeon.
Future_Alpha 7y ago
That's not what he's saying. He is saying that to become exceptional surgeons she has to learn from the best. It is hard to be accepted as an apprentice by a top surgeon unless you offer him something - like pussy.
InstantKarma706 7y ago
Sounds like a porn Fantasy. In the real world people don't mind helping people who want to learn from them
Future_Alpha 7y ago
it's market forces - if there is a lot of demand for the person - they need some incentive to help you. if you go to a ceo of a fortune 500 company and ask him how to teach you how to run a business, he won't unless you offer him some value in return.
InstantKarma706 7y ago
Unless you know the person. You could ask a stranger for a dime and they may not help
Westernhagen 7y ago
No, no, no, idiot. Women CAN be surgeons. The ones who are, want to be. But most women physicians do not want to be surgeons. Women prefer family medicine, psychiatry, pediatrics, obstetrics/gynecology. Men prefer surgery, emergency medicine, anesthesiology, radiology, internal medicine.
SorcererKing 7y ago
Yes, and for exactly the reasons you state: female physicians want to be able to control their hours and have families. Perfectly rational(ish) choice for a woman who wants a career and a family.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Because she fucked the best men surgeons in exchange for teaching.
During my own residency, all the women taught me nothing really. A few men, they were great teachers mostly. Women may be all that you just listed but they still suck at doing that, even if they’re good.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
I wouldn't be surprised. She was kind of cute in a rail-thin androgynous Jewish girl kind of way.
rporion 7y ago
If someone is going to operate on me and if it is a woman and she totally, magically learned about surgery by sucking cocks, which I doubt, but let us say that is the way she did it....
I can only hope then she sucked a LOT of these knowledge inserting schlongs.
Metric tons.
Future_Alpha 7y ago
You fucking idiot. Hos point was that to become an exceptional surgeon a woman must learn from the best. In order to be accepted as an apprentice by the best surgeon she has to offer him something - like pussy.
rporion 7y ago
No.
If you had the potential , or, god forbid, were someone on the highest level of excellence in whatever profession you would know that those people who are the pinnacle of achievement are desperately seeking people they can hand the torch too.
Those who got there are exceptional and worked their ass off, which is something I suggest you do, in order to achieve at least some sort of mediocrity.
Future_Alpha 7y ago
I am in medicine. The top surgeons are busy dudes, most of them don't give a fuck about 'passing on the torch'. The personality of males who make it to the top require them to be this way. They care about getting interesting surgeries, improving their skills, making money and partying on their yachts. Most males work their ass off just trying to get a good mentor, and work like he'll to then get ahead. Obviously the female's work hard too, but they want the easy way out (and don't want to work for apprenticeships) so they dick their way through.
rporion 7y ago
Alright, are they worse than male surgeons?
Future_Alpha 7y ago
Most are, a few (exceptions) aren't.
rporion 7y ago
Well then, my point still stands.
If they fucking cut me open, I would kind of like them to know what they are doing?
How they got there is a luxury problem.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Sucking cock gives you access to the knowledge of best men around. Something young Dota players “red pulled for 3 years” are unable to comprehend.
SorcererKing 7y ago
This doesn't seem like a tough concept to grasp, right? Women get to work with the best (read: ego-maniac, alpha-as-fuck) surgeons, from whom they learn the trade. Surgery is learned by doing, not by classroom instruction. The best surgeons have limited time in the theatre to train new surgeons... hmmm... who will they give that time to?
htbf 7y ago
She probably didn't fuck anyone. How can you assert something like that from nowhere?
Scymnus 7y ago
Nowhere? Take a look around, women use their vaginas to gain advantages all the time and especially at work if they can get away with it. It might not be as frequent in higher status professions because the risk is greater, but if you think female surgeons are any different than other women on an instinctual level you might have missed a core concept or two.
If you've worked with females you'll see that very few of them get by on merit. They will either fuck someone, have orbiters do their work or just fuck around on social media all day and blame someone else when something goes wrong because they didn't do their job. Women being good at their jobs is the exception, not the rule.
I'll agree that it is a bold statement, but if the alternative is trusting women to be good at their jobs and having it blow up in your face I'd rather expect them to have fucked someone to get where they are.
htbf 7y ago
The women who fuck their way up the ladder are not surgeons. It takes skill, practice, talent, dedication. Saying that a woman can't be a surgeon without fucking a man to teach her is stupid as fuck and has no basis into reality.
hypergraphia123 7y ago
I recently had a surgery done by an unattractive female surgeon and she crushed it. It was a pretty risky procedure too.
Scymnus 7y ago
There's no virtue in not using power for selfish reasons if you don't have power. And why is it so hard to grasp that exceptions DO NOT invalidate rules?
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Because that’s how female surgeons gain experience. By sleeping with more experienced older colleagues.
CanuckinFL 7y ago
ok I was married to a female surgeon. That's totally not happening haha.
Those careers are sheer madness in terms of work. You've been watching ER too much. :)
Glu7enFree 7y ago
Someone has been watching too much Grays Anatomy
ghostreconx 7y ago
you dont learn what to do in the operating theater by sleeping around
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
You don’t learn medicine by sleeping around.
You get people who organize work and people who work best to be friendly to you by sleeping around, when you’re a woman.
SargentHaztagaspacho 7y ago
Trolling or autistic? Can't tell...
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
The problem with the downvoting teenage crew is that they have no idea how surgical wards are organised.
Jabahonki 7y ago
You are the type of person that gives trp a bad rap. There are loads of valid points in trp but the comment section is just ignorant people implying they know what happens.
My guess is that she’s brilliant and achieved that on her own, she didn’t need to fuck anyone to become a successful surgeon.
Why you think she does is beyond my comprehension.
Future_Alpha 7y ago
You fucking idiot. Hos point was that to become an exceptional surgeon a woman must learn from the best. In order to be accepted as an apprentice by the best surgeon she has to offer him something - like pussy.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
And you're the type of teenager(?) that brings a downvote brigade with you to hide the facts.
Or is that some reddit admin's initiative to make the most politically incorrect people to shut the fuck up.
Like that private messages from that throwaway account you sent me, with personal questions. Like I'd really love to dox myself.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
How about “he probably works in medicine and knows how things are”.
Yes, she achieved that on her own. Her own vagina gave her acces to the best operators around.
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I'm surprised you're even validating these trolls.
Someone has to I suppose. Like watching blind fools trying to describe the landscape. Like they have a fucking clue.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Either I'm a slow-learner, or I do really have some hope that some of them will at least try to understand.
Another society-wide problem is, that older people are framed as useless stupid pricks without contact with reality. Not that I am that old, but the worst thing you can do to a 18-yo man is to make him believe, that a dude 20 years senior has no clue what he's talking about.
I guess this is no longer my safe space then. Sniff.
Scymnus 7y ago
It's just a lack of experience, guys come on here and are shocked because some of these pills are really fucking hard to swallow and they're still clinging to the thought of that one exceptional woman who wasn't like the rest. They can't see the bigger picture just yet and it won't really click until they go out into the world and see it through a red pill lens. I disagreed with a lot of the harsh concepts around here until I actually got to experience them.
Young people are arrogant and think they're the first ones to do something or come up with a thought, and it's easier to discredit good advice because it comes from a grumpy old man and just doing whatever the fuck you want.
I'm not sure who's to blame, but the fact that political scientists have missed the correlation between lack of positive male rolemodels (especially fathers and god) and decadence blows my mind. It's also no secret around here that media/entertainment have waged war on positive male influences for years.
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
Maybe because they did not and everything is engineered towards the latter. So much as for the pills really hard to swallow.
I've read in some book some time ago, that one of japanese Sony managers coined a phrase that "every system is perfect for the results it is getting".
You don't believe me? Well, just have a look. Two ordinary guys, sitting in front of their computers, suddenly notice, that things are geared towards decadence. Do you really think we're the first ones? No, we aren't. Just look at this sub, search for phrase "enjoy the decline" for example. So what I believe is political science noticed the trend years ago. And everything governments do now is geared towards it.
Another obvious fact is that scientists are really being paid mostly by the government. True constructors or inventors, like mr Dyson, are the exception. And, if your research doesn't support the narrative, you're out.
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_2scoops2terms_ 7y ago
I work in the space industry. There are plenty of capable female engineers that are better than some male engineers I work with. They went to school, worked hard, and now make tons of money in the space industry. What do you say to that? They aren't deserving of respect like a man would in the same position?
vengefully_yours 7y ago
So you put Carolyn Porco on the same level as Bambi the cam whore? You should know what outliers are, you're surrounded by them.
I've worked in aerospace, with girls, some can be capable, a few are as strong a your average sperg engineer, a few are intelligent in stem fields. Most of them are not. For every girl who can keep up with the slightly below average male, there are a few thousand who cannot, and from a few million of them you get the girls who can keep up with the average male. Bell curves are a real thing man.
You act like it's near impossible to do math or think. Got a huge ego to go with those rippling 12" guns, because obviously you gotta be smarter than nearly everyone to work aerospace. Bought into the whole weak as fuck nerds are smarter than muscle bound jocks, didn't ya. What happens when you discover that guy who can bench the back of your Honda and make you feel stupid intellectually? Believe it, he exists even if you think he doesn't. He's an outlier in strength, but doesn't have to be a genius on par with Newton to hang with you.
Out here in the real world where men need brains and brawn, girls can rarely keep up. I know exactly zero female cnc programmers, and I know plenty of engineers that passed the class but I swear are fucking retarded. During my military time I knew one girl who could operate the MHE as well as my average male, and many more females who punched holes in planes and other things due to a profound lack of spacial ability. My second wife was brilliant in some ways, very intelligent, but socially inept to the point of being retarded, and extremely solipsistic.
The point to this? Since your sperg brain isn't going to catch it, it's this. We aren't saying there are absolutely no girls who can do something, but the overwhelming majority can't. The few who can are so insignificant in % that we can safely assume the girl riding our cock tonight is not one of them. The females you work with have earned it from you, they walk the walk, Bambi the naked fake tit cam whore has not. Bambi outnumbers Carolyn by the millions.
_2scoops2terms_ 7y ago
Well considering the second women you married was retarded, I'm not sure how much I can trust your opinions.
Your third paragraph strikes me as odd mostly because it has literally nothing to do with what I was talking about? If the point of your post was to argue that no women are capable of earning respect then I think you missed the mark there buddy.
Future_Alpha 7y ago
Are you retarded? Either you are or you are a she hoe who misinterpreted everything on purpose. He was saying that ON AVERAGE (ie more than 68% of women) CANNOT do aerospace engineering, women within two standard deviations above the mean can barely keep up and the 1% (3 standard deviations - the 1%) can be as brilliant as a smart man. This 1% deserves respect. Not the rest.
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mental_models 7y ago
debate keeps morphing with moving goal posts and weird logic, but yea, these women are anomalous outliers in respect to the population of women in the sexual marketplace.
_2scoops2terms_ 7y ago
The debate is if women are capable of earning respect. TRP is about understanding the inherit differences between men and women, not that women can't be respected. If you really think respectable women are an insignificant percentage of the dating pool that can be ignored then maybe you should consider changing up your social circle.
mental_models 7y ago
The sexual market includes all women that fit a certain criteria. (e.g. 'all sexually active women'). Female NASA engineers are outliers in respect to the sexual marketplace. Male engineers are ALSO arguably outliers in respect to the sexual marketplace, even if there happen to be more male engineers, and professionals in general.
That doesn't mean that women who are more 'representative' of the population aren't capable/worthy of earning respect. These are NOT mutually exclusive.
ThrowFader 7y ago
Oooh a certified genius ! Wow! Amazing.
Listen, you are not smarter than me. Not even close. You aren't more intellectual either. Sit the fuck down, Mr Rocket Raccoon.
If you can grasp simple beginning logic and you still continually trip over yourself to defend women for no reason, (from big bad scary straw men of course) then you are a fuck wad.
Nobody gives a single shit about the space industry. I certainly don't. I don't give a fuck if a few female nerds are jam packed in every room at Nasa.
People are products of their behavior. If a group of people generally act a certain way I will let that inform my perception of them. I don't hand out respect.
I certainly do not respect you, because of this pathetic attempt at what? White knighting for some space bitches?
Let me guess, their pussies are literally out of this world right?
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CrazyHorseInvincible 7y ago
Cool your jets and just hit the "report" button.
_2scoops2terms_ 7y ago
Someone's jimmies sound awfully rustled. I'm not white knighting. I'm saying respect is earned and gender shouldn't factor into the equation. That really shouldn't even be a controversial statement. Unless you know, you're a retarded person. Are you a retarded person /u/ThrowFadar?
ThrowFader 7y ago
Respect is earned and gender shouldn't factor in. So why are you trying to emphasize the fact that there are women as NASA?
Stop clowning. That isn't what you said and now you are being intellectually dishonest.
If gender doesn't factor in, then I will overwhelmingly respect men more than women. Misogyny, or being realistic?
Look stereotypes exist for a reason and its kinda self damaging to ignore them. When I see a black person, I more likely to ready myself in case of an altercation (am black, 6'0 so don't play that race shit). That is sterotyping, but guess what, it keeps me alive.
I will stereotype, and I never hand out respect.
We don't differ much in that regard so I don't know why you felt like you had to flex your rocket scientist status.
MadamImperatrix 7y ago
How about showing respect to every single human being to begin with, unless they do something to lose that respect? Life's happier that way.
_2scoops2terms_ 7y ago
It doesn't really make a lot of sense to automatically respect everyone you meet. I start out neutral until I get to know them.
MadamImperatrix 7y ago
I think it depends on how we each define "respect". My definition of respect means being kind, compassionate, and working to filter out my prejudices (starting out neutral, as you say).
Aktiv8r 7y ago
No, people need to earn respect. You can be polite, courteous or whatever. But you do not give your respect until it is earned.
MadamImperatrix 7y ago
Not to mention, what makes us so special that others have to work to earn our respect?
MadamImperatrix 7y ago
I practice my way, and it has done me no wrong. You carry on with your way.
pras 7y ago
I can love her, but I cannot respect her.
perplexedm 7y ago
Comments in this thread are making huge sucking sounds.
daredevil1302 7y ago
How the hell did our dads, granddads, and grand-granddads form a long lasting family and have children with a woman is a question that keeps me wondering..
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Different set of laws and cultural practices. Bad female behavior was shamed, not glorified with stupid phrase like 'brave single mother'.
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Alot more risk and harsher consequences were tied to being an irresponsible, dumb slut.
No cellphones also meant lack of opportunity for access and validation.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Respect is not given, it is earned. Stop conflating respect with polite. Stop believing everyone is just as capable as anyone else.
Nobody is equal in capability, that means no, most people cannot do some things that are easy for others.
I can easily lift 200lbs, not bench that is a lot more, just pick it up and carry it one handed. Can you? I can program a 3 axis Okuma mill and Okuma lathes, can you? I'm an expert marksman, are you? I can rebuild any part on any car built between 1920 and 2010, including the wood for the old stuff and electronics for the new ones, can you change your oil? I have a considerable understanding of anatomy particularly in relation to combat first aid and a wide array of other capabilities many have but few can combine with the rest... including picking up girls and fucking them. You?
There is shit I can't do. Like read music and speak Mandarin. Sure I could learn, but will you ever bench over 300, which is a number I hit less than a year out of high school. I can't fit into a tight space, I can't get the spark plug out of cylinder 8 on a 98-02 F body(hands are too big), I can't touch most of my back, and other things.
The point isn't I am awesome and you're shit, it's that nobody has the same capability or intellect as anyone else. Nobody is equal, though some can get close to each other in various areas. Shit, most people can't figure out which their/they're/there to use.
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Bullshit on 'respect being earned'. Our society is based on people deserving respect. And successful people know how to convince others to give you respect, within seconds.
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mental_models 7y ago
Women are female humans.
Is their psychology different from men? Yes.
Is their psychology different from the propagandized politically-correct misinformation that is taught to society as a whole? Yes.
Am I angry at women for their attributes? No.
Am I angry at the world for misrepresenting sexual strategy? No.
Can we use knowledge of this psychology and this misinformation to improve our SMV? Yes.
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[deleted] 7y ago
You're drawing allot of conclusions with absolutely nothing but elbow grease and your dreams to back it.
mental_models 7y ago
Women can be delightful.
I'm glad they are a part of our species.
always-distracted 7y ago
Thank God you posted here, I almost forgot how hard it is to be a woman. You're right, we should ban paying customers for having hurtful opinions that we don't agree with so that the entire internet can be a safe space.
/s (because you'd probably think I was agreeing with you otherwise)
TrueFacets 7y ago
About 15 years ago someone told me that they would: Rape the body of my dead sister in her grave while making me watch. Afterwards he would kill me and my whole family and shit on our bodies.
I learned that people say things on the internet. I would have never ever in my life imagined that someone would actually seriously complain about what a random stranger says on the internet and feel "harassed". And in today's world "internet abuse" is actually a thing.
Someone was mean on XBox Live, really ? That's your problem ? wtf
I for my part have never ever in my entire life witnessed "real" misogyny. All men I know like women and most treat them better then they deserve. The people who are most hateful against women are other women.
You get no girly points on the internet! 3rd image being the important one.
Baloo020 7y ago
Yeah, I agree. I feel like a lot of people on this subreddit used to be/are frustrated with their love life because of whatever and blame on on the women instead of on themselves. They like to say "men are inherently different from women" yet judge them by the same standards when it comes to "success". If there are no women in this world that you respect, there is something seriously wrong with you.
SorcererKing 7y ago
Isn't the issue here the reasons for respecting them? With women, they're aren't necessarily higher value to men because they have an engineering degree and a high-paying job. If they are sweet, feminine, and maintain themselves well, they will be respected -- as a good woman.
Agrees_withyou 7y ago
The statement above is one I can get behind!
ThrowFader 7y ago
Some measures of success are inherently objective. So yes, women are less inclined to become objectively successful on their own then men are. Women are inherently different too. No problem with that.
The problems is when idiots start claiming wage gap and all kinds of BS and creating even more ridiculous privileges and double standards in favor of women, and yet scream equality. Life isn't equal. Life isn't fair.
Stop that dangerous straw path you are going down. Nobody said that individual women who deserve respect should not be respected. In fact, there are a couple females in my life who I do respect. The vast majority of women DO NOT distinguish themselves in any way, and therefore do not deserve my respect.
Before you trip over yourself to make another strawman.... I do not respect most men either.
Posts like these are made because too many men let their balls and incel status over inflate the value of women. Thus the infamous pedestal.
Shut the fuck up. You annoy me.
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ThrowingMyslfOutther 7y ago
Shut the actual fuck up you faggot.
[deleted] 7y ago
Wow, you mad bro?
Yeah sure ON AVERAGE you may be right. But to say that all women are like this is absurd.
DON'T TALK THIS WAY ABOUT MY WAIFU AYN RAND OK?
FinancierGuru 7y ago
Awesome, dude.
A man's mission, oversimplified here, is to better himself.
That's never a woman's mission. Her mission is to reproduce herself. Women are breeding machines.
NiceIce 7y ago
"Women are nothing but machines for producing children" - Napoleon Bonaparte
Pinkmistiscool 7y ago
"The problem with internet quotes is that you cant always depend on their accuracy" - Abraham Lincoln, 1864
NiceIce 7y ago
Little did people know, Lincoln was actually a time traveller. He could literally see into the future. Didn't do him any good, though, He was still assassinated.
unhealthy1 7y ago
The men in the medical field view the women working under them as theirs. They use all social gatherings to hit on anyone they get a chance with.
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unhealthy1 7y ago
I would agree, for the contemporary American woman or westernized woman. Long gone are the days where women followed husbands, brought them lunch, made them lunch or even cook or clean on equal basis, even after themselves. If you ever go to Korea look at the women there compared to our women and men. We look like slobs, act without manners, less educated, less hard working, compared to middle class korean, Japanese and Chinese. Even when compared to many Europeans of middle class background. We have fallen so far from the tree as Americans. Lack of strong men and entitled women. It won't get better esp. With women and single motherhood. There will just be a remnant of masculine men left in the US. The rest will be feminized or beta blue pill beyond help.
1UPZ_ 7y ago
Men and Women are not equal. There are common traits mentally and physically... but both have different levels of abilities and predispositions.
You have to respect women in relative to what their strengths and abilities are and vice versa.
If you expect women to have the same output or ability as a man for you to respect them, then its a losing battle... in a vacuum
notonlyplace 7y ago
I see what you're saying, you been told you're whole life to treat women with respect rather than treat women for who they are.
I treated women like "Crap" and by crap, I mean crap by feminist standards, in reality, women love being treated like this but none of them admit it
You are experiencing societies cognitive dissonance and you don't like or respect it and I feel you I have never got a women to sleep with me by using respect or treating them as my equal
This isn't to say I disrespect women
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I find myself constantly fighting the urge to give women special treatment. Without thinking, I feel obligated to let women be first in everything, get free stuff, leave work early, take credit for stuff they shouldn't, etc etc etc
notonlyplace 7y ago
I know the feeling this is why "Nice guy(TM)" is a cultural disease and not something easily overcome even with repeated success, to be honest, I don't mind buying women things nor do I expect anything in return.
But Human nature is crazy/irrational and thanks to a women's nature AWALT they set me straight so in a sense AWALT was my savior , just to give you a ideal of how crazy our nature is a short time ago we would beat children for writing with their left hand, let's just say I develop a few complexes around using my left hand too.
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Beating left-handed children was not a 'we' behavior - just a small subset of society.
notonlyplace 7y ago
I Agree but it is my point I was disciplined for writing with my left hand and I still have those negative feelings
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