Summary:
This short essay talks about the complaining that women do when they're past their prime and still haven't found a suitable partner with whom to settle down and start a family. The essay offers nothing new to Red Pill veterans, but new members will find value in understanding how women behave when they're approaching the Wall.
Body:
A woman by the name of Jessica recently started a blog called "Twenty Nine and Terrified" to chronicle her life in search for Mr. Right. One of her blog posts is titled "Where Have All The Good Men Gone?", where she whines about still being single now that she's hitting the Wall.
Of all the women who complain about not finding a Good Man, the "Leftovers" are my personal favorite, because it's the moment you get to see Carol the Carousel Rider lose her undeserved status and privilege in the Sexual Marketplace that she squandered for the last decade, and all in her own words.
The term "Leftovers" was first used by the Chinese to refer to career-women who were still single in their late-20s. For our purposes here as it relates to Western women, it's the point in Carol's life where she realizes that she's no longer getting the attention and privilege in the Dating Market to which she was accustomed in her youth, and is now complaining about being single and alone.
When carousel riders approach age 30, they go through what Rollo Tomassi calls the "Epiphany Phase", where she realizes that her youth is declining and she still has not found a suitable partner with whom to settle down and start a family. In The Life Story of Carol I call this phase "Chasing Chad's Commitment". It is during this time that many Carols attempt to clean up their act by putting away the party lifestyle and emulating "good girl" qualities. They then seek provider-qualities in men such as financial stability and being a family man. But when the jerks she dates won't commit, and there are no high-SMV men willing to date her, Carol whines about her predicament and officially achieves Leftovers status.
A dead giveaway that Carol has become Leftovers is that she will be around 30, and complain about how dating is "harder" for her than it used to be, reminiscing about her carousel days and all the attention from men she used to get, and feeling left out of marriage and family that her peers enjoy. All of this implies she had plenty of time and opportunity to land a suitable partner for long-term commitment, but the jerks, bad boys and carousel took precedence, and she's now regretting the missed opportunities. Leftovers status also applies to single moms who learn that the men who once desired her have lost interest now that she has kids.
Women who are Leftovers are also the main ones who ask "Where have all the good men gone?", and they post relationship questions like: "I'm ~30, where can I find decent men for a serious relationship?" She often uses the cover story of "school" and "career" as reasons for not finding a man yet, but doesn't mention the decent men she rejected or friendzoned to get banged by jerks on the carousel. So this is her first time needing to ask these questions because years back the decent men were in abundance. In her prime, Carol was getting marriage proposals from good providers. Now what little attention she gets comes from jerks who just want sex, or much older men to whom she's not attracted.
But Carol exacerbates her dilemma by still Chasing Chad, aka Mr. Tall, Handsome, Charming and Rich, or what she calls "quality men". She still won't settle for the few Good Men willing to date her because her hypergamous nature says "I can do better", and because she still expects to find the same high caliber of men who wanted her back in her prime. But alas, the most desirable men have rejected her for younger women.
Conclusion:
Attractive women often wait until they're hitting the Wall before they seek high-value men for long-term commitment. When she realizes that finding such men is harder for her now than back in her prime, she blogs about her woes. While Jessica remains optimistic that her unicorn is right around the corner, a few people have already given her a reality check about her situation. But "feelz come before realz", so don't be surprised if she's still blogging a few years later complaining about not finding Mr. Right.
In a future essay, I will discuss how to have no-strings attached sex with Leftover women. Working title: "Earth Girls In Their 30s Are Easy."
Locastor 7y ago
Said "much older men" are morons for not snapping up the just-turned-legal trim that's tingling for them
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binarynightmare 7y ago
I just turned 25 and it's interesting to see a lot of the women I have known for the past 5 years slowly losing their SMV. Going through old facebook pics is especially eye opening.
I think the key to your post is that when attractive women are past their prime, they are still looking for high value/'good' men. It's important to note that these women aren't having troubles finding men who will bang/date them, they are having troubles finding high value men who will bang/date them.
The biggest crime in all of this is that the guy who does end up committing to and providing for a women in her 30's, is that he does so without ever getting to experience her sexually in her prime.
Daddie0 7y ago
"Where have all the good men gone?!"
To better quality women. Most women just assume that they deserve something without even trying. It's easy for them to get away with it between 18 and 26, after it just continually and increasing gets harder for them to pull it off.
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Even worse for them, truly 10% (rich, status, looks) cant be locked down. By anyone. They view women as status simbol and only thing a women can be to these guys is a slave.
Truly sad for women.
Docbear64 7y ago
I was about 25 when I started reading this sub so I definitely couldn't see this happening because most of the hotties from highschool and attractive women I'd observed in my life were still hot . It's almost been 3 years and I am a little shaken over how quickly the wall starts to approach and how quickly womens beauty can fade.
Granted some women are still gorgeous but I promise in this 25- 30 window it becomes really clear who is just a good fuck , who is a miserable bitch to avoid, and who loves chocolate , daytime TV, and snapchat filters more than they could ever love you .
It's like a sprint to see which women can make themselves undateable the quickest.
I used to think maybe the rule on not dating women over 30 was to harsh but as I age I see it , most of these women are broken , they haven't been proposed to or married for a reason ( a warning) , and they tend to have an amplified version of everything wrong with women and not as many things which make the younger ones fun to be around.
The only exception I think might exist are women who married early and got divorced near 30 but even that is pure speculation on my parts because I've never met any of these.
Anyway beware younger RP bros entering the 25 - 30 window. I've seen it as my stock rises the stock of women I use to fantasize and crush on in my teenage years is plummeting and I would have never believed that could happen at one point in time " She's hot and / or fun now she'll be those forever" is just not true.
AllahHatesFags 7y ago
At this point in her life she has two choices:
Marry beta bux provider who doesn't give her the gina tingles but will take care of her.
I think this bitch will choose option two, maybe we should all chip in and send her a litter box, courtesy of TRP.
NationalLurkersParty 7y ago
Hilarious! Have an upvote sir.
rigbed 7y ago
She admits feminism is to blame. Could this be the start of a Renaissance
Nomfwic 7y ago
The mental gymnastics on that blog is insane!
Some gems...
"Let me tell you either finding good men is exhausting, or I just really value my down time at home on the weekends. Probaby the latter."
Yes, you value your alone time. Then please tell me why you made this blog to begin with?
"Have I ever mentioned that college was the best time of my life? And my guy friends from college set impossibly high standards? I mean these guys get up to let you sit down, carry things when your hands are full, hold your beer while you get ice cream (you get the point)."
Being young and attractive naturally gets this type of treatment.... Until you got blessed with wrinkles.
"Also at this wedding I met the sweetest girl who made an attempt at setting me up with one of her friends. Unfortunately, the attempt went nowhere, but I was a bit relieved because I despise being set up."
Yep... ofcourse you despise it because setups are normally with Billy the unconfident beta.
It baffles the mind really. How can she not get it?!? She still expects Chad to arrive, unwilling to settle for "nice guys" . Hypergamy in action here.
I pissed myself laughing though !
LewisCross 7y ago
The entire post needs a good fisking, really.
Here's her post in its entirety, with my comments in text.
Here's "Jessi" (Nice post-wall millennial name, no?):
Kind of typical, really. "Relationship" that probably ended when she started making marriage demands and he balked. And before that, "single" (i.e. getting pumped and dumped, having flings and STRs, going in fits and starts with hot men who didn't want to get serious).
Sure you do. Excuses follow:
I had just moved to a new town, meeting and fucking new guys. "Finding myself" is a euphemism for "sexual exploration", which is itself a euphemism for "having a lot of hot sex with a lot of different hot men".
Translation: I was looking for a man to marry me, and couldn't find one, and still can't.
Em is my slutty friend, who I love to hang out with because she's sooooo much fun. She's kind of fucked up, but that's what makes her sooooo much fun.
Hehe I'd like to make believe I've grown out of this, but I haven't.
It's hard being attracted to guys who just want to fuck me and don't want to marry me. That MiLB baseball player was HAWT. We hooked up that night and he fucked the ever loving shit out of me . I don't even remember his name, but the sex was WORTH IT. OMG was it SOOOO worth it. But we're not going to talk about that cuz back to my wanting to get married. Except for fucking hot baseball players.
TRanslation: Fucking that MiLB baseballer was fun and I'd do it again, but shit, I need something MORE. I know what I want and am just deluded enough to think I can get it.
I am just not as hot as these younger girls anymore, I KNOW it, and it scares the FUCK out of me. What am I gonna do!? I can't get hot guys anymore. I'm going to have to settle for a less attractive guy with a good job. Fuuuuuuuuck......
Wow, this adulting thing is hard. I really have to grow up! Life isn't the neverending fun times the TV shows promised. Those attractive men aren't around anymore... Plus, I can hear that bio-clock roaring....
Yup. We want hot guys. We just want them to marry us (not gonna happen)
I am a complete failure, but I'm going to show you how to succeed at something I have completely fucked up and ruined.
HAHAHAHA You asked "good" men? You asked men who are even less successful than you are.
And you will fail. Because you are attracted to men who want to fuck you and whom you want to fuck (and you'll end up fucking a few of them and getting disappointed - AGAIN); and you are NOT attracted to the men who would be willing to wife you up.
--Extremely picky
--Extremely approachable
Pick one, darling.
Your extreme pickiness is why you've failed thus far.
Good luck. You're gonna need it. That, and therapy.
Here's my suggestion: Start approaching men. Start getting very, very forward with men you're attracted to and who appear to have decent jobs. Find a decent attractive man, throw yourself at him, prostrate yourself at his feet, and promise to serve him the rest of your life. Throw yourself on his mercy and hope to God he offers you commitment.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
Its called post wall. Yiure bot talking abiut anyhing new, just recycling old material that gets posted here all the time in the hopes that your post gets stickied or something. Come on now.
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eccentricrealist 7y ago
Women age like milk, men age like wine.
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I like to think women age like cars. Most are worth 25% less the moment you buy, a few will be collector's items in 40 years, but the vast majority will just be rust buckets.
MrInternetDetective 7y ago
This is a perfect write up, thank you.
22Luika 7y ago
That's sums up everything. Thank you. Saved forever.
MadDoe 7y ago
Saved. Really put a good perspective.
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VickVaseline 7y ago
"90 Day Meet-A-Man Mission!"
lol
Dmva100 7y ago
Hopefully the nice guys who 'suddenly' get these post wallers attention just blow their load in their faces then never call back.
Women are like children of wealth who get a lump sum check at the age of 18. They blow through their inheritence and suddenly in their mid thirties they find out they are broke, but they still want the lifestyle they had when they were rich.
Throwawaysteve123456 7y ago
This comment is the best I've read in a while.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Really great analogy. Going to save it.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Tricky because she's chasing commitment.
That means demanding ten dinner dates before a sad handjob. Betas don't get the "pump and dump" option because it's so expensive in terms of time and money to get to the pump stage. Alphas don't bother to stick around with her "make him wait" strategy - and this is what she's complaining about. She no longer gets to call the shots with attractive men.
Exactly. Meanwhile men's SMV is raising as they accumulate wealth, confidence, attractiveness and knowledge about women and their behaviour and long term value.
Male increasing awareness plus SMV plus her dropping SMV probably explains while the the crossover (wall) is so abrupt.
greenlittleman 7y ago
And they can have such a lifestyle if they looks good enough and hit on guys who are 45+, because large part of them have some beliefs limitations for 20-25 years old girls. If woman in 35 looks better than average girl in her twenties, then she would have more than enough chances to find herself a good man. Those "leftovers" who are whine, in most cases, too fat or ugly to be attractive even for 50+ y.o. guys.
jackandjill22 7y ago
I wish guys had as much sense as you're saying. I've seen it. There's always a Beta, somewhere.
PokeyTifu99 7y ago
Spot on man. I'm in my thirties and I couldn't tell you how many attractive women from my past who are still single today. Most of them complaining about life and how they can't find "good" men lmao.
buddhadarko 7y ago
There are always a handful of post-wallers who are attractive enough to get laid, but they are far and few between when compared to the vast majority of them who are undesirable or only attract a certain type of guy. I've bagged a couple post-wall women and they are always grateful for the lay, and I get to put another notch under my MILF category. A few of them have tried to get into an LTR but it's never going to happen, at least not with me.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Unless you are talking about the under-25 set (give or take), the vast majority of women are undesireable on one or more levels. Even in the prime 18-22 age range there are a lot of girls who are just not that attractive or have shitty personalities, or you can tell - perhaps instinctively or from meeting their mothers - that their looks are going downhill fast. Most guys will settle or hamster it - to get laid - or else those girls are just invisible if the guy sets his standards high but has no self-awareness (like many women do).
I've bagged a few in the 38 - 40 range who were really good looking and had great personalities but they were either a) single mothers who were financially independent (probably because of child support) but wanted to get laid, or else their ovaries were screaming at them but I was not in a financial position to settle down (and had the good sense to not risk fathering a mongoloid).
It seems that single women in their 30s are the most likely to lie about their age because they are at that tipping point.
Bear-With-Bit 7y ago
This is why many cultures had arranged marriages and dowry. The patriarchy system was a defense against this destructive hypergamy we see rampant today. They knew that women can't be trusted to make their own decisions when it comes to relations with men. How can "strong and independent" women in their 20s become "victims of a social construct" in their 30s?
SeemedGood 7y ago
Don't fall into that feminist claptrap. Who do you think arranged the marriages? Wasn't men (excepting the upper .1% in which case you married your daughters and sons for strategic alliances).
therighttobecool 7y ago
And the court delivers the life they always had by taking money out of some chump's bank.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
That dude should close his bank account
yomo86 7y ago
Reduced libido from that of a perma-horny 14yo boy, after 25 is a relief in so many ways. It hits many men. Almost all are still susceptible to the BP but when you have abundance suddenly, many men reach an epiphany phase, as well. It is just more in the side of: Shit bitches love me, let me be bang anything.
Have you ever noticed? The problems, news articles included, of the perpetual man child starts around 32, not 14 or 22, or even 25; the traditional ages of becoming a man.
Men are then gaining traction in this world. He is riding the pussy roller-coaster now - somewhat depending on SMV. But your male 5 becomes with abundance, some work-out and a good chunk of disposable income and the lack of kids an 8 for post-wallers.
bornredd 7y ago
I wish my libido would drop, just a little bit. I am in my mid 30s.
7-10 times a week these days, and I am still a crazed beast. T levels are normal. I have always been this way since I hit puberty.
FreeRadical5 7y ago
Enjoy it. I had a ridiculously high sex drive my entire life. Only in my late 20s but it dropped off a cliff in the last year. At first I really enjoyed not thinking about sex all the time, not being phased by the hottest of girls, being able to focus fully on other interests, etc.
But now I am starting to miss it. It has taken a certain spark out of my life that I used to drive myself. It forced me certain goals and pleasures on me with a clarity that is a distant memory now. Overall I am probably more content but the highs aren't nearly as high.
And to make matters worse, it is wrecking havoc on my LTR.
thassidus 7y ago
It's depressing to see men view a lowered sex drive as a "relief". If you are healthy and in your 20s and 30s, it's your mode of living, not age, that has diminished your drive.
yomo86 7y ago
Compared to my teens yes it is a relief. Pussy is nice. A nice fuck is nice. But a nice fuck is hard to get. Mediocre sex is easy. But a book is also nice. So is lifting, so is meeting my bros. My point is sex is not my only life goal anymore.
bornredd 7y ago
My drive hasn't dropped, that's the issue.
Wife and I have sex literally every day and median time is over 25 minutes from insertion to end. I don't have 2-4 hours a day to dedicate to fucking these days.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Ha ha: think about the single guys and whether they have time to merely chase pussy, with no certainly of outcome, for for an hour or two hours a day.
bongohai 7y ago
Smoke more. You are too healthy.
bornredd 7y ago
I smoke 3 cigarettes a day and a fair bit of grass. Still basically a walking erection.
Troll_Name 7y ago
Alcohol is the real boner-killer, not that I would recommend it as a solution for anything.
bornredd 7y ago
True, I quit drinking awhile back and am in much better shape these days.
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Thotwrecker 7y ago
The problem is that beta bucks aren't actually wifing up and pedestalizing these post wall once-hotties because of their sexual drive. They are doing it out of ego and validation drive - they feel good when with the hot girl (even though she's not as hot now). Their concept of who they are is that they are the good guy who did the right thing, so they "get" the reward of marrying her whereas the other guys just got to sample her pussy for a night.
Men typically don't marry CC riders out of sheer attraction to her looks - they do it because all their life, all they have ever wanted was to fit in and be like all the other cool guys who had the hot girlfriend. Your ego and need for validation - or rather your need to be able to define who you are through what kind of partner you have - does not necessarily decrease as you age.
It decreases as you mature and gain life experiences / understand who you are, but most men in the western world don't get those maturing experiences.
Dmva100 7y ago
Well said. Demonstrates the whole '(beta) men are the true romantics.'
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 7y ago
Its also because society and the feminine imperative have been particularly succesful at telling men: You need to be a nice guy and settle for kids have 3 children and marry a woman. So thats all their life is about. While the women are actually busy getting pounded in the ass by chad instead.
dzkkne 7y ago
Why don't these women, assuming post-wall is 30+, don't go for men 40+?
Logically, free men at that age would want to settle etc. However, I know from my personal observations that there aren't that many men in that age bracket who are still single, have no kids and not recently divorced.
Rhynovirus 7y ago
As a guy getting old enough to enter the world of post-wall women I can tell you they do go for us, we're just too smart to fall for their bullshit.
A Beta Buck is a Beta Buck at any age.
unhealthy1 7y ago
Sex and the City syndrome created the perfect naive belief that they can CC ride until 40s and some rich dude will come in and sweep you off your feet.
greenlittleman 7y ago
Why would it matter if he have kids, or divorced? This is natural for a guy of this age.
dzkkne 7y ago
Think.. A guy who has been in a long marriage, recently divorced and already has kids to take care of is less likely to want to jump back in to commitment and go through the cycle again. I am not saying it's impossible, just less likely.
greenlittleman 7y ago
A lot of 45+ men wants to have more kids, because their older kids either already adults (live by themselves) and/or staying with his ex wife. And most of them choose 30-35 years old women because they think girls in their twenties too young for them. Obviously 30 y.o. is much better than 45+ woman. Many men wants to fuck and/or create new family even after 50, if their health is good enough.
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Am 46. Am a good guy with a good income. Never want more kids, another marriage or serious relationship. Am all about the sex now.
SeemedGood 7y ago
This is true. I wouldn't mind having another son or two. The counter to this desire is marriage and/or an LTR. Once one's eyes are fully open, it's awfully hard to rationalize that bag of paperclips into something one might wish to buy.
Rhynovirus 7y ago
Show me one please? Most 45 year old divorced guys are focused on being good dads and avoiding the stupid mistakes of their past.
banjew 7y ago
Me. I already have children, don't mind having others if I ever found the right women.
greenlittleman 7y ago
There is some in comments already. Being a good dad? When in most cases your kids either already 20+ or living with your ex wife? Lol.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Funny statistic is that divorced men are both the most likely to be incel and the most likely to be highly promiscuous.
Rhynovirus 7y ago
Not surprised by either, but I was surprised by the assertion that men want more kids.
Entropy-7 7y ago
I don't know about more kids, but I'm 50 and my GF is 33 and we are never married and have no children. With only one exception (a former fashion model who looks 10 years younger, I met several years ago, and she lied about her age), all the serious girls have been in the 26 to 33 range. Any younger - these days - and they don't want kids yet, and any older then you are dealing with some severe fertility issues.
If I give up the ghost on having kids then it is "wide, open spaces" and age is simply a number.
greenlittleman 7y ago
I've meant "be together", marriage by itself is a useless thing for any successful man. I'm agree with you about age, though in my country (Russia) most of the girls want kids starting from their early twenties.
But most of the older guys have limiting belief about "too young for me", and so they tend to end up with 30+ or 35+ women. Of course red pill guys can sleep with 18 y.o. girls even if they are themself 60. :D
Entropy-7 7y ago
I live in China and the Chinese guys always want 23 year olds. . .or at least chicks that look 23 years old.
I have a few stories on this.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
Revenge fantasies are whats holding you back
Entropy-7 7y ago
Bloopers consider the whole concept of the wall as being a revenge fantasy. But yes, keep it real (ie. Red Pill).
YellowSoldier 7y ago
Yeah, wouldn't it better to meet a woman when you're both young and attractive and live fulfilling lives together, than to focus solely on accumulating resources and miss out on young love, then console yourself knowing that the women you missed out on before are all miserable now?
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Yes but the karma part is a lot of guys tried and they were to busy chasing chad. Now they want us and it is joyful seeing them miserable. Their fate is better than what they deserve. Stoning at the gate in public or burning at the stake is the traditional penalty for wayward women.
Entropy-7 7y ago
I met something of a unicorn when I was 23 and she was a bit younger (can't remember: 2, 3, 4?). It took a year for us to build on a friendship and have sexual attraction and then we went for another 3-1/2 years. The sticking point was me: I felt that I had not done enough and that a life with her - right then and thereafter - would have meant missing out on a lot of experiences, sexual and otherwise.
She finally dumped my ass just as I was coming around, and then was married to a BB accountant or something within the year, and they lived happily ever after in New England with two beautiful daughters who obviously got their looks from mum.
Is that better than my present life? I didn't focus on accumulating wealth but rather I focused on experiences.
25+ years on, am I happy? Fuck yes! Is she happy? I hope so. Would we have been have been happy together? Magic 8-Ball says fuzzy.
The now "standard model" is to meet someone where the guy is between one year younger to 3 years older and then get married in your late 20s. Statistically, it is the most common and - statistically - seems to pose the least risk of divorce.
The TRP model is to game but avoid LTRs while building your skills, wealth and game more and then finding an 18-20 something, or just say "fuck it, spin plates".
YellowSoldier 7y ago
If she was four years old, then that's more than a bit younger.
In all seriousness tho, more men on their deathbeds regret letting go of "the one" than not having enough sex with different women. But I can understand the frustration when you're young and at peak testosterone. I hope your experiences make up for that potential relationship. It's fucked up that we have completely different priorities at different parts of life, and the years connecting fun, adventurous youth with stable, family-oriented old age isn't one most of us can successfully bridge.
And you're right, you can't know if the two of you would have been happy together. You could have dodged a bullet for a lot of different reasons, but there's no point in dwelling on something you can't change.
Entropy-7 7y ago
I personally don't live with regrets but history is etched in stone and given that I write sci-fi I do contemplate possibilities.
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Only if you let them. I use the possibility for them as a carrot to help me push and motivate myself.
Tzeentch_Gnosis 7y ago
No. She has very little left. You could LTR till it's gone but it's better for you to let her cash out a long term luck.
Many women who are smart enough to know the trade off very early like 19 or 20 still may choose uni-dimensional focus on career and what is called carousel riding, it's a shame when they regret it later anyways.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
They only regret it because it's over. If they never experienced it they would regret that.
Tzeentch_Gnosis 7y ago
I mean they give up on marriage.
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yomo86 7y ago
Yes and no. The reality is, women lose rapidly their SMV coin after 30 as a rule of thumb. And they are desperately either trying to fix the system, rationalize it, or blame it on somebody. This is a very typical occurrence of a career woman having not found a suitable Chad.
Entropy-7 7y ago
The signs kick in at about 28: they start to act down-right kooky. This is particularly so if their friends are getting married and having babies.
I've had different relationships with "career women" but I don't have mental telepathy and discussing these sorts of things was just not on the table.
We are on the outside looking in unless you are faux-feminist, or the gay friend.
I can't read minds but from observation - mostly first hand - "career women" can be not-so-good-looking and so immerse themselves in their career and then guys like me just say no because I don't really care about her career, but I want a pretty wife. Alternative 2 is that pretty women immerse themselves in their career and then they just say no to guys like me because I don't out-earn them by a significant margin: many will fuck me, but that is it.
I really have no idea if they blame anyone. The ones who have a certain combination of looks and success don't seem to have problems landing a hubby.
K_J_K 7y ago
I see women mostly blaming others for their "misfortune", but that's just my experience.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
I don't care about the woman in this.
This isn't about that, see the reference below. Guys swapping notes is TRP.
theres a note.
magnificent18 7y ago
what do you think of the future where people are living a healthier lifestyle and taking care of themselves? Hitting the wall might get extended into the 40's.
AllahHatesFags 7y ago
I think it will be technology that will do this more than anything; there are already things that you can take to slow down at least some parts of the aging process, with more coming online as time goes on until biological immortality becomes the norm (hopefully in my lifetime). It will get surreal when nobody looks a day older than 25 and these bitches get an n-count into the tens of thousands.
yomo86 7y ago
I don't know. This is just armchair biology but I think 30 will always be the norm. Looks aside, men know subconciesly that a 30+ woman will not be as likely to create healthy life or life at all hence rendering provisioning and the reward for taking risks mute. Anecdotical evidence: China. 25 is the pre-set society wide wall. And the girls still do look hot sometimes and there is an over-abundance of men still those spinsters won't find a suitable partner
Rooibosisboss 7y ago
there will always be the "healthy ones" and the "unhealthy ones" it just may be different vices. I don't see it extending into the 40's even if they are "healthy". wrinkles, droopage, etc, will still happen. they will only look better relative to ones worse than they.
Same thing even for healthy guys; wrinkles, grizzled, gruff, etc. it just happens that those things can actually make you look better if you also stay healthy.
KyfhoMyoba 7y ago
[Masculine] Genetic cues are trumped by behavioral cues six ways from Sunday.
Advantage: men.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
Fuck this makes me glad to be a male. As long as you stay fit and muscular and healthy, those signs of aging don't hurt you nearly as much as they hurt women, and they can even help you until 55+.
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Yep. To be an older man in great shape is a indicator of good genes.
PaulAJK 7y ago
I just feel sympathy for these women. Going after the bad boys is what both society and their own biology encouraged them to do. In the past they would have had mothers who warned them of the risks, but that stuff died out decades ago.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
Pity is normal, no one likes to watch someone sabotage themselves..
ex_addict_bro 7y ago
I’m with venge on that, the amount of shooting in the own foot a divorced woman can do is astounding. And you’re kind of forced to watch. So you adapt and start to enjoy.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
Well, that's not a revenge fantasy, that's specific...
Im more than happy to watch an enemy drown
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Rian I enjoy watching people screw up their lives by their own choices. Mostly because I lack empathy, but also because I'm a sadist to a great extent. Nobody was watching out for me when I fucked up, so I'll enjoy the schadenfreude while others fail. I have no problem giving post wall bitches a good fuck, nor do I have an aversion to fucking the young ones, I'm not keeping them so I'll enjoy them all.
I love seeing jealousy and that wistful angst people get when they realize they fucked up and I've achieved something they never contemplated, and will never manage themselves. It can be the fat 45 year old with the dad bod stuck in the pos crapbox his wife made him buy lusting after my vintage GTOs, our the 40+ girl seeing me with that 21 year old coed. Living well and doing what blows my hair back is my reward, and you're damn right I'll look at others who can't or won't and enjoy their failure
kevin32 7y ago
If that's the case then you will enjoy r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.
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I can understand not having sympathy for the cunt in the article, but you enjoy watching people screw up their lives? I accept it as inevitable and ignore it for the most part, but enjoying it is a bit beyond the pale.
TRP should be about men making themselves better, not being Ted Bundy.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
He's gonna do whatever he wants. You should worry about yourself.
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I can't believe that you took the time to post this garbage.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Oh the irony.
Got a strong frame there bud :)
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dude, thats not an emotion.
anger is an emotion.
thats a feeling of being vindicated. very good for giving your ego a little boost.
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the best revenge is living well.
Blowing loads on/in post wall hags is not living well.
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This is what I was talking about:
[–]Dmva100 95 points 3 hours ago Hopefully the nice guys who 'suddenly' get these post wallers attention just blow their load in their faces then never call back.
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not at all .
the point I am making is - if you are going to go find girls to blow your load on, find younger prettier girls. They are out there, and they don't mind
Rian_Stone 7y ago
From here http://archive.is/UYP1s
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Rian_Stone 7y ago
Lol. I've never had the general rage raised among shitty people, so it was the norm for me.
My anger was directed and specific. Why one would project it onto strangers baffles me.
Youll learn the hard way, like everyone does
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Rian_Stone 7y ago
Lol, "You don't know me!"
I used to love watching Jerry Springer in college
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Rian_Stone 7y ago
Sound like?
I spotted a very wife gap in his frame, gave it a poke, and I appear to have found oil.
This is why I'm sending these comments and advice about your frame, not because I care if you're loving revenge fantasies. You're more than welcome to learn from this example, or white knight for him, it's your call.
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futmut 7y ago
What you fail to understand is...that average women is like this...So is not nice guys who are ''fucked'' but every man as a whole...I mean you wont get a girl to commit to you until she hits the wall, so you either commit with a used up whore or you stay single for life...You see thats not good either way...
mcjustmatt 7y ago
Date young, date wholesome.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
I wish more posters would put this much time providing links like footnotes to support your points. Nice work on the technical aspect of Reddit. While the substance is old news, I still love me a good revenge porn piece.
kevin32 7y ago
I've updated the summary to reflect that this essay is meant for new members to TRP. A future essay will discuss how to have no-strings attached sex with Leftover women.
Ganaria_Gente 7y ago
I really love your archive links and great formatting.
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Yeah in most cases you're right, women who want children should do so young when they have the best chance of ensnaring a good man.
However, here's a monkey wrench for your theory: what if you're an older (but still of child bearing age) woman who has a ton of money, and can still marry an attractive husband because he realises he'll never have to work another day in his life?
Rhynovirus 7y ago
The nice guys who got rejected or friendzoned... I've come to reject this line of thinking. The niceguys were never going to have a shot cause they were niceguys. The woman was doing what we all do, trying to capitalize in a way that was best for her. Can't fault a person for that. Unfortunately for the woman, she overestimated her value. This probably happened in part because of all the BP attention. Reality is a hard mistress and now that she realizes she ain't all that she has to deal with it.
I frequently encounter 30-something single moms or 40-something recent divorcees who "were in abusive marriages for 13 years". They are inevitably trying to get with me not realizing that I'm out of their league and definitely not interested in being their rebound.
Its not my problem to fix it for them, either.
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Rhynovirus 7y ago
It usually goes along the lines of "we did it for the kids" or "I really loved him" or, worst, "I really tried to make it work".
Red flag for lots of reasons. First, my experience has been that all of her senses will be "on guard" and you will easily encounter emotional land mines you had no idea were there, often being shit tested for things the ex did.
Second, women who say that are very likely to use you as a safe harbor to sort themselves out, whether they know it or not. They are absolutely not LTR material. Only the most attractive ones are worth pumping and dumping, if that's your thing. I've outgrown that kind of stuff and would rather avoid the emotional baggage. They take way too much effort to maintain as plates, and honestly I feel kind of cruel doing it because they really just want to be loved, no matter what they tell you about their relationship goals.
Shame, because there are lots of good natured people who have ruined themselves with excessive hamstering during poor judgement in shit relationships.
BewareTheOldMan 7y ago
...[her] senses.."on guard"...emotional land mines...shit tested for things the ex did...emotional baggage.
It sounds as if you and I spent time with the same woman!
I overlooked her issues because she was hot (with clothes on). With clothes off she lost points (on her body) based on having two kids with her loser, drug-dealing, ex-felon, and wife-beating ex-husband.
I was SERIOUS Blue Pill; felt bad for her, her kids, and was CERTAIN I could do better than the loser ex-husband.
No dice. This woman was crazy, unpredictable, erratic, and unstable...all while expecting me to cover her/her kids financially and being punked by the ex-husband. This woman AND her family (sister/mother/cousin/distant relatives, etc.) was a financial drain.
The ex-husband's response to my involvement was to NOT pay child support or engage his OWN children. By the way, they referred to him by his FIRST NAME. That tells you ALL you need to know about the father/child relationship.
The other HUGE (Donald Trump voice) NEGATIVE was that she was VERY familiar with domestic abuse laws. She called the police twice to the house despite NOT ever being in danger, was physically abusive (but not enough to hurt me/cause damage), and eventually lied to exact revenge because I was smart enough to terminate the relationship.
For the first time in my life I was being represented by an attorney on false accusations of domestic abuse, stalking, harassment, and endangerment - none of which was true.
Luckily the judge saw through her lies and Oscar-winning Crocodile Tears...or maybe it was the fact there was ZERO evidence and I had not so much as a "Post-It" or any inkling of criminal/abusive behavior in my life - EVER.
Anyway - to his credit, the judge summarily dismissed the case.
Yet another reason women lose credibility while ACTUAL victims are suffering in silence or deathly afraid to report domestic violence/rape/sexual harassment.
I got out clean, lost thousands in attorney fees, and swore off "abused women" and toxic single mothers. These women will easily lie, manipulate in the "best interest" of themselves and their children, and damn near bring you to financial ruin while skirting the risk of jail time because you were a "Nice Guy."
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
I love how she talks about "hard to find a man I want to see twice". Somehow fucking and chucking a man after two dates makes her the victim.
chim_city 7y ago
A guy is only going to commit to someone he can respect. He will not respect a fuck and chuck
all4gibs 7y ago
A man is only going to commit to someone he can adore.
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Rhynovirus 7y ago
An ex of mine noted that Feminism has killed the exalted position women once occupied. With social and economic equality being female is no longer a sufficient condition to have high SMV.
Was that a good trade for women? Who knows? The leftovers are a byproduct of western womens' "success" in other areas. Many are realizing that you have to pick what you value most and pursue it at the expense of other things in life because like most of us humans its very rare to "have it all".
plainposter 7y ago
women shouldn't be allowed to do anything. drive, own property, anything. they need to be at home, cooking and taking care of kids.
OSaraiva 7y ago
I was reading some of the links like they were sort of a joke. They are not. Those women truly turn the hamster into an olympic gymnast.
trp_nofap_rewire2018 7y ago
Women gonna do women stuff
The feminine primacy is always reconstructing itself to benefit the females: in this case, this chick is facing the bitter truth that she’s hit the Wall, but still want to bear the best fruits that hypergamy can offer.
That’s all
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Rabbit holes everywhere here! Nice work.
Good to know that there will be women to fuck in my 50's & 60's! Unless I'm rich enough for sugar babies. It will be important to stay in great shape.....but this is great news for the future.
I'll stick with the women in their 20's as long as I can.....I'm not yet older than most of their dads, which evidently is where many women draw the line.
atticusfinch1973 7y ago
Many of them will happily call you daddy and sleep with you anyway.
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Here's hoping so......
If you can call working out like a fiend "hoping."
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When you throw in the post-wall women who are married to betas, you begin to get a sense how damn easy a cheeky game-aware man aged 35 to 55 has it.
There is nothing to ever fear about taking the L. Replacement pussy is raining down
DiscoverSierra 7y ago
55 is not the end. It can go on a lot longer.
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BluepillProfessor 7y ago
I bet you don't approach 20 new girls every day. Or every month or probably even every year. Pussy rains down only if you go outside.
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I don't doubt it, just not personally familiar
st3roids 7y ago
Great post.
women are delusional simple as that.
Yesterday I was watching a webcam mature with big tits , who at a point typed at a dude , you want a ban , I dont want idiots , u gly and poor , or something along those lines
A fking mature webcam whore , still wants a handsome , smart , successful rich guy ... I mean wtf.
Of course this is is an everyday sight , especially where I live where beautiful women are scarce and mostly are poor but all looking for a brand pitt type of guy and wont settle and prefer to remain single.
but like the post sais that's till their 30's after that they litterally beg for someone to marry them
OmegaMan2 7y ago
She is nothing more than a re-virginated whore putting on aires of chastity.
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
What? Sheryl Sandberg lied to us? Where's my pudgy accountant?
buddhadarko 7y ago
This was a very concise way of explaining the female wall/post wall. I know a few of these leftover women myself. Some of them actually have a boyfriend that they've been with for years, but they still try to flirt/dress sexy to get attention but it doesn't work because nobody wants them. They're used/damaged goods. End of story.
Good post.
painbeforeecstasy 7y ago
What do you think of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLEu1lx8bg
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
"At 29 I am cynical, low on patience and know exactly what I want."
I wish I knew how to link a username. An hour ago someone in a different thread posted a graph claiming that the amount of dick a woman has grows exponentially.
My response: "Look, girls of all ages (well most of 'em) get laid. But, have you ever talked to a girl >32 about what she's looking for in a man? You'll get a manifesto of things he needs to be and she's super picky. Yeah, she'll fuck chad...but he's not into her. So she gets laid occasionally."
I guess I have to update 32 down to 29.
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
/u/SuperCrazy07. Just put /u/ before their name and they'll get notified.
To link to their actual post, click perma-link, below far-left.
grewapair 7y ago
My experience with women over thirty is very different from TRP idea of an epiphany phase.
About 10% of the women have a very strong mother who forces them off the CC and into motherhood. These women are basically ordered by their moms to find a provider. There's no epiphany with them, mom says stop it and they do.
Another 40% see these ten percent getting married and then decide they need to get married too. The top 80% of men won't commit, so they move down, NOT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY AREN'T HOT but because they have a need the top 20% of men won't fill.
This is very different from an "epiphany", which I can assure you NO WOMAN hits until late 50s. They think they are as hot as they were in their 20s but the best men won't commit. The problem is the MEN, not them.
Then you have the remaining post 30 year olds who are out there expecting men to treat them like they did in their 20s. NONE of these women will have anything resembling an epiphany. They will ask where all the good men have gone until the evidence is simply overwhelming, age 57 or so. ONLY then will they think it has even the remotest thing to do with them.
You make the mistake of dating a post wall woman only once. The price is the same and very frequently higher, but the payoff is lower. TOTAL. WASTE. OF. TIME.
unhealthy1 7y ago
Im sorry. this hit right at home. I have to comment on this one.
I am currently separated and the self delusion is pretty high in women. My ex is pushing 35 and looks 5 yrs older with her glasses on and i even saw on her phone, her looking up "elite men" or how to get "shredded hot men at any age", even though she has low fertility, hitting 35 very soon, looks run down, no time for relationship. Works 80 hrs per week. Even when their own family says "they are the problem" and their friends say they are the problem their hamster runs 10,000 and they rationalize themselves out of it. They watch bullshit reality TV shows where older hags somehow land dream men and get married (99 percent divorced less than 1 yr later-somehow they manage to overlook this fact). What i am experiencing with career women is that they expect to (no entitled to!) have a shredded guy (im pretty good looking as well), sports car, house, money in the bank, pay off their student loans (primary reason why im leaving, wife expects me to pay her 300k debt! in order to have kids....wtf).. Even if you check off most boxes for them, they always think to themselves" i can always do better" mentality.
This my friends is the mentality of the american women. (not all, but a large swath) I can tell you this, if I discovered the redpill years earlier i would not be in this position.
And believe me, I am now being threatened with jeopardizing her survival just for threatening to throw her out even though she makes more than me! and I paid all the rent. go figure!
To say many american women are interested in children is a joke. Who risks autism by having kids post 35 and then declares they are all for having healthy children.
Westernhagen 7y ago
Did she come into the marriage with $300k debt? If so, why did you marry her? Just askin'...
unhealthy1 7y ago
I will also say that, reading No More Mr Nice Guy and talking to a number of women about their games opened up my eyes. I was red pilled 1 month before marriage. Even before this what opened my eyes was my oneitis approached me 1 month before getting married, at 34 yrs old after never giving me the time of day for years, she getting married and divorced and sleeping around she had the nerve to say i was now the nice guy she was missing all along lol. That made good income lol, And we should start our lives and have kids. I was pretty livid, so she spent her best years on the CC then was looking for a stready established guy to land right before 35. Lol, i told her literally to go to hell. I nuked her Esp. Since a few years early she said to my face she will never settle. Where do these women get off saying shit like this to people? Well that i was looking online and discovered TRP, ordered a bunch of books even the verge of getting married then i walked into my current mess. Lol. Its ok to say "No" to women and leave the upset. Call them out on their utter bull shit, duplicity, shallowness and ask for things in return or they get ghosted. Their tears and tantrums and tits are just tools in the shed for the, to get what they want out of life.
unhealthy1 7y ago
She went to get her medical degree. I didnt know she had this much debt or had ,axed out all her credit cards. She orig. Said 150k and o though that was reasonable for MD degree
Westernhagen 7y ago
$150k or $300k, she should be able to pay that off. Can't imagine why she thinks you should do it. Wouldn't surprise me if you got stuck with paying half of it in the divorce though. On the plus side, depending on your income, she could wind up paying you alimony and grinding her teeth every month when she writes the check, heh heh.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
jesus christ thats horrifying
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
That's an interesting point. I don't know that the epiphany is "I'm not as hot as I used to be and it only gets worse" so much as "There aren't many good men in general, most are taken, and I need a baby now."
I know several married women in their 40s. They got married young, so never had to experience the wall in a brutally direct fashion. They continue to genuinely think they're hot and have respected careers and, if they weren't married, would get tons of men because men their age aren't into immature little girls.
That's where you quietly just back out of the room saying nothing.
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That "Twenty Nine and Terrified" woman's update posts are hilarious. She thinks she just has to find the secret hide out and good men will just throw themselves at her.
BewareTheOldMan 7y ago
This is one of my posts from an earlier Discussion thread, but seems appropriate for this topic:
The underlying and principal concern for these women is they waited TOO LATE in life to find a good man and all of a sudden between the "magical ages of 27-30" they want and need a Good/Nice Man to settle down with for marriage. The insult is that many of these women started having sex at ages 14/15/16 and been going hard for almost ten years with NUMEROUS SEXUAL PARTNERS. These women are emotionally damaged and are some of the WORST CANDIDATES for marriage. The word is getting out to many men to AVOID these used up, stalled out, and "passed-around" women.
Their point of frustration is not finding a good man despite the fact they had Good Men interested in marriage when they were much younger, prettier, child-free, and 30-45 pounds lighter in their youth. They instinctively know they already wasted most of their best chances at finding a great husband.
The sad reality is there are TOO MANY of these women who bring the following issues: Someone else's kid(s), obesity/disgusting bodies, financial issues/debt, entitlement issues, no marketable job skills/certifications, "masculine energy," lack/zero interest in homemaking skills (cooking/cleaning/doing laundry) because it's "oppressive" and...because of feminist mentality, misogyny, and perceived victimhood. They are ALL looking for some chump to worship them and accept their situations/baggage WITHOUT judgment or hesitation.
In short - these women don't deserve happiness. They traded their best years for the Bad Boys/Pretty Boys/Douchebags/Low-Life losers.
It's sad really - women have to make choices early in life, with many choosing "fun and frolic" over mature and loving relationships.
all4gibs 7y ago
you’re right, and media/hollywood/western culture propagates this bullshit
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Sadly these women do not make the best of their situation by owing their shit. Instead they blame others, use deception and look for quick fixes for 10-15 years of poor choices.
These women need to get fit, focus on being pleasant people, lower their standards and bring something to the table if they want to turn it around.
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this. and to make matters worse, women offer nothing but sex and reproduction to men. feminists convinced women to ignore development of homemaking skills... <1% of millennial women even know how to cook a decent meal (literally every human i know who is a "good cook" is a male... even the restaurant industry is dominated by male chefs). because of hypergamy, she's still dating up or across, meaning the guys she will date don't need her money. and i haven't even gotten to the baggage issues that make her negative value (single mother, unhealthy, divorce, debt, high n-count, broken family, hysterical behavior).
when she's hitting the wall, her reproduction value bottoms out too. there's just not enough time to really get to know a woman and have babies before "advanced maternal age" even if she doesn't have baggage problems.
even friendship can't build... most women have no hobbies or interests of their own other than work, wine, netflix, and maybe yoga... you can't have common interests with someone who has no interests.
this leaves a woman who has no value to men other than a warm hole to pump and dump.
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Women not having hobbies is ok. They are water, we're the cup. They are made to be helpers to the mission we're on.
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A small nit: women's cooking has always been pragmatic and chefs are cullinary artists . The former is concerned with nutrition extraction (think slow cooking animals) versus delightful experiences (ie mastery of the senses)
doladolabillyall 7y ago
Or emotionally absent. Regarding sociopathy, numerous sexual partners (talking in the hundreds easily) is a sign/symptom. Actually, I would be far more concerned if they are somewhat emotionally absent (lack empathy). As they certainly will get a divorce, and ruin the whole family that the man had spend his time building.
It has nothing to do with it being deserved. It's just a fact of the matter, a logical one (they merely waited too long, for whatever reason). Never be spiteful/petty and talk about them deserving unhappiness, that just puts you on their level or under it (by resenting them, it still gives them power over you). That's what women and man children do. That's like tabloid gossip level shit.
BewareTheOldMan 7y ago
Never be spiteful/petty and talk about them deserving unhappiness...
The overarching message via mainstream media, magazines, social media, women's groups, and society in general is that women deserve/feel deserving of the best of everything life, despite the fact they may offer very little in return. This specifically includes access to the very best/high value men despite (these same women) making numerous mistakes early in life that would disqualify access. Men in general do NOT have such luxuries.
When I talk to other women, I remind them that men are required to earn their status, reputation, wealth, etc.. I discuss (with women) their missed opportunities, disregarding good men early in life, failure to plan/prepare, too many sexual partners, etc.
This gets mentioned quite a bit on TRP whereby women are granted access/special privileges with little to no effort.
It's the same/similar conversation I have with men as well. The difference is that men see their errors, accept advice, and self-correct. Not always, however, I've seen some men ignore sage and truly helpful advice.
It's not their fault. I don't blame women. Whereas men have to earn their place in society, the same SHOULD ring true for women. Unfortunately, that's not how it plays out at ground level/real-life.
Short story - I was once in conversation with a senior-level supervisor. We talked business and later engaged low-level/semi-personal conversation. Somewhere I mentioned that "I deserved/was owed something/" due to my hard work.
He immediately responded with "No one OWES you anything except a paycheck for your work and outstanding leadership/advice (from leaders to perform better for the organization)."
I understood and self-corrected. I suspect, however, that conversation may result in a different outcome/perspective if that same advice was relayed to a woman who espouses entitlement.
I concede the point. Great advice. Pro-Tip indeed...
heyanonboy 7y ago
In Japan we call them leftover Christmas cakes. No one wants a Christmas cake after Christmas. No matter how cheap. [Edited No to In]
adr007 7y ago
Basically nobody wants Christmas cakes after the 25th
lordkrink 7y ago
I want a christmas cake right now
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
As long as I can eat other cakes as well.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
What exactly is Christmas cake?
Timewasting14 7y ago
A dense fruit cake that's been soaked in rum or brandy and aged. Not my favorite but old people love it
heyanonboy 7y ago
In Japan we celebrate Christmas by eating KFC and Christmas Cake. Bakeries and supermarkets make these cakes specifically for Christmas. They sell for ¥2000~¥10,000+ until Christmas but the day after they don't even try to sell them because they're essentially worthless.
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scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
I'm surprised there's a Christmas culture in Japan
weeaboowehrbroo 7y ago
Japan has always been the most westernized asian nation.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
Yeah, but what exactly is the cake like, like a sort of sponge cake?
heyanonboy 7y ago
Depends really.
NiceIce 7y ago
A diabetic's worst nightmare.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
ah, so basically a mega sugar fix
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therighttobecool 7y ago
Where have all the good women gone? Do they even exist?
SilverGryphon 7y ago
I'm sure that there are plenty of men in their 30's who would like to settle down with a woman of a similar age. Their problem is that they still believe that they can get high SMV men even after they have crashed into the wall. I tried to hit on a few women whom are in their 30's, as I am also in my 30's, but guess what? they continuously turn me down and keep telling me that "I'm not their type"
Apparently the only men who are good enough for them have to be tall, shredded, handsome and rich. It's a complete and utter lie that there are no good willed men out there who are willing to settle down with them. They just simply refuse to date anyone who has an SMV below 7, even as they begin to age.
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
Really? Almost every half decent (i.e. desirable) guy I know was married by 30 (yeah, yeah I know).
But, my point is I don't know that any of them, if divorced, would have started a new relationship with someone of "similar" age. Unless you mean like 38 and 31 are both in their 30s.
BewareTheOldMan 7y ago
I tried to hit on a few women...in their 30's, as I am also in my 30's, but...they continuously turn me down and keep telling me that "I'm not their type"
Don't waste time with women in your age-group.
At least they're honest in they readily admit lack of interest instead of leading you on with false promises/holding sex and relationship "for ransom." Anyway – these women come with too much emotional baggage from chasing "Chad/Tyrone/Carlos."
Date younger - eight to ten years younger. If you're doing well financially, have good game, and demonstrate confidence and maturity, this is a better pool of women. Apply TRP Principles in properly vetting for a good, honest, loyal woman of character and integrity.
…there are plenty of men in their 30's who would like to settle down with a woman of a similar age…
Settling with these women is a mistake. The man is almost always serous about relationships, marriage, kids, and family whereas women who are past their prime years are "just settling" because the men they REALLY want DON'T WANT THEM.
Don't get caught up with them "settling" for you. These women will ALWAYS resent you for not getting their "first choice" and will divorce, take the kids, and as much of your wealth as possible.
You've worked too hard to allow that to happen.
A woman has to be motivated to be with you, attracted to you, and EARN her position in your life EVERY DAY.
doladolabillyall 7y ago
Yes this is so fucking true.
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LavaPipe 7y ago
Keep on improving then homie. Then when you are the shredded rich chad you’ll be the one doing the rejecting
majorbollocks 7y ago
This. Also, beware the provider hunter who jumps into bed with you very early on but eventually starts to ration the sex to condition you into a beta husband. I'm dealing with one right now and it's hilarious. Time to move on i guess
NationalLurkersParty 7y ago
Be extra cautious that they don't 'accidentally' get knocked up. Then they've succeeded in their quest to condition you into complete Beta submission. Once they have you locked in for guaranteed child support, they'll go back to chasing the Chad, even if they've gained 30+ pounds. I've seen these types of women inflate faster than a 3rd world economy after having some Beta's kid, yet they STILL have this delusion that they can somehow get a Chad to take them seriously despite everything.
red_matrix 7y ago
Slow fade then add to the stack of plates.
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College educated women need to get off their high horses regarding occupation. My advice to most educated women in their 30's looking to settle down is to look hard at tradesmen.
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Most educated women are fucked because the tradesmen already got married. The less education a man has the earlier he marries; income comes in and he doesn't have to service the debt
kieran9323 7y ago
hmm, I know someone like that, in that age range, and it makes me wonder what's wrong with her, why she chose a harder life for herself?
AnotherGypsy 7y ago
They don't because they see their education as value that the lowly uneducated worker can't reach.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
A divorced tradesman with kids and child support is about the best they can do. Better move on them quick ladies, before MGTOW finds them.
xxxbaltimorekidd 7y ago
Lmao. I enjoyed this comment. Mgtow all the way.
SilverGryphon 7y ago
I'm educated to a Master's level in engineering, I have my own car and I have my own place with a low mortgage as I was able to buy 30% of it with cash. Yet, I'm still not good enough for these women. Tradesmen won't stand a chance in dating these women unless they are chads looking for a one night stand. But chads don't bang post wall women.
red_matrix 7y ago
If they are good looking they will still get laid. I had a fling-thing going for a while with a 35 year old yoga instructor that had a tighter and better body than most 25 year olds. The post-wall pool has some gold nugggets that work great for casual fun.
buddhadarko 7y ago
Chads DO bang post-wall women, but there's not enough of those Chads willing to do so. The post-wall women would have to be the upper echelon/in shape, no kids, etc. So, these post-wallers are always holding out, waiting for the Chad they think they deserve and that they can actually get, but it's rare.
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magnificent18 7y ago
Are you decently good looking? In shape, wear nice clothes, take care of your face/skin, and got swag?
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stick w college girls homeboy
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Hell yeah, you are but they don't, new crop every year.
Redacto 7y ago
The Chads will bang them, but only bang them. Post wall women are looking for commitment... they are running out of time... they think...but in reality, they are already out of time for getting commitment from the quality of men they think they deserve.
The problem is that they are adjusting their expectations behind the the curve. They are searching for 9’s when they should be looking at 8’s. Now they are 35 and looking at 8’s, but can only get 7’s.
Last weekend I was at a big birthday lunch and sitting next to a 36 year old single woman and she was complaining about this. This girl was probably an HB9 or HB8 in her 20’s. She was telling me that “at this point, I’m just looking for a man, any man, that isn’t married and speaks English.” All she is getting is offers to be a married man’s side piece.
EDIT: spelling of piece.
kieran9323 7y ago
I don't think so, I'm pretty sure that if I would create a fake profile of someone like her on a dating website, she will be popular relationship prospect, at least in the UK. Probably she would still get more matches and attention than your average civil engineer, just because she has a pussy.
DodgedAFew 7y ago
"any man" = "has a job, not an addict, not crippled, not heavily in debt, willing to have children 'some day'" etc.
Redacto 7y ago
Yup. Probably also means "white collar" but she wouldn't admit to that in the setting we were in.
VanityKings 7y ago
A part of me wishes I could feel bad for her and the millions of women like her doomed to a life of unhappiness as they get older and uglier.
But a bigger part of me knows they had plenty of time to find a "good man" and passed on them to try for someone better.
Karma is a bitch
FinancierGuru 7y ago
"Attractive women often wait until they're hitting the Wall before they seek high-value men for long-term commitment."
Translation: She starts blue-pill provider hunting.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 7y ago
Here is one of the top comments regarding one of the YT videos you posted lmao, its hillarious:
Isabel, you don't want guys who will like you only if you're thin enough or pretty enough. It's superficial and you deserve much more. Look for someone who will love you for who you are and not for what you think they want.
I know the loneliness you're going through. It sucks. My loneliness was so bad, I used to call in sick to work on Valentine's Day just so I could avoid all the flowers being delivered to the office!
I wasn't married until I was 37, but I finally found the woman I love and when it happened, all the bad feelings I had were history. We all know you'll find someone special. It will be OK, I promise.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Poor dude, he hasn't accepted reality, or had the chance to. I have faith in him though.
clonegreen 7y ago
I can't feel like this is going to lead to an inevitable downfall of the nuclear family and the west. I've seen so many waste their youth and met post wall women who become SJW feminists with a lot of clout.
With so many pissed and entitled people it causes desperation which can translate into a last ditch effort to make all suffer. Hopefully I'm wrong. Its going to take a new form of conditioning which doesent glorify so called equality through sluttiness.
Ananonguy88 7y ago
I haven't even read this and I can say that was my latest plate. 9/10 29yo with a cat. She was still acting high and mighty expecting to be "treated like a princess" and "spoiled".
She used to date 180cm men with sorts cars and full account before me and she would always complain that she has to reduce her standards now (for me).
It was so worth to see her face when this lower standard guy told her to get lost and no for settling down with "a nice guy" since he can get better than her.
Aiming for younger chiks now.
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
She said that to your face? lol. Glad you got out of there.
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5'11" isn't that tall. Sports cars isn't a big deal. In the US I see LOTS of people making 30-60k gross with sports cars. Now they're living month to month but...
...the hard part is finding somebody that CAN actually afford nice things while saving 20% or more of their gross income for retirement. Like 100k or more for gross income. Even most men who make the top ten percentile of income (105k gross) don't know how to manage money. Regardless they don't learn this until marriage.
reecewagner 7y ago
Lol where on this planet are you
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Alex24d 7y ago
Lol that's so true. 180 cm in Europe is a cutting height from manlet to a man as 6'0 in the US
Reformed65 7y ago
You guys are way overthinking this.
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[deleted] 7y ago
God, that OkCupid Reddit thread is like a drink of fresh water.
I wish I could upvote every one of those replies in there. OP basically OD'd on redpill.
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TheDreadnought1 7y ago
That thread got me at the guy saying some RP truths and then saying
lol
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Can't wait for the follow up, "35 and miserable", when she ends up forcing herself to settle for Billy Beta because its either that or have no kids.
She blogs about how miserable she is and how much she repulses her husband, how she truly never loved him, and how she obligates herself against every fiber of her being to give Billy once every 3 months starfish sex to get him off her back. How she believes that she can do better than Billy if she just musters up the courage and willpower to divorce him. Billy is holding her back from truly finding her Prince Chadding.
AllahHatesFags 7y ago
Then she starts fucking Chad behind Billy Beta's back, and calls it "female empowerment" to cuck Billy.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 7y ago
Even better when she starts fertility treatments to gain the hope of having children. Or she ends up becoming lesbian and getting pregnant using frozen sperm and eggs and has an autistic child.
Sounds wonderful!
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
I find it harder to set up dates with over 30s women. Like, 10 minutes to set up a date with a 21 year old, vs 2-10 hours for a 31 year old. Its a hassle. Interested in any tips you had. But on the other hand, why should I waste my time with their neuroses? lol.
Women can stay lush and attractive well into their thirties if they;
1) Eat well
2) Do a lot of yoga and leg/ab work.
Hot 30s women are out there: I was at the buffet the other month and saw a stunning women of about 35. Lush skin, sporty body... When I was in university, I had a massive crush on my Spanish teacher. She was 37. I knew other women in their late thirties in London, sleeping with hot young men, cos they looked after their bodies and walked into their power.
Unfortunately, most women don't put the physical gym work in, so they get pushed off the carousel. If I was a woman, I'd become a yoga teacher. That's as alpha female as you can get.
SeemedGood 7y ago
This is true. However, they often come with extra helpings of low quality attributes - almost by definition as they are still single for reasons that typically boil down to more solipsistic and less introspective.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
What? Alpha female is a yoga teacher? In what way?
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
Flexible, strong, well paid, wide social network, commanding, lush body, good social skills, works for herself. IMO dating a yoga teacher or dancer would be the equivalent to snagging a muscular dude who works in a bank... or whatever women fantasize about.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I go to yoga regularly. The teachers are just normal women. Most, completely broke while working on some masters study. The students are mostly dancers, also broke. You've put a lot on there.
Yeah shes hot and flexible. Doesn't mean she's an 'alpha female' by any means. What does alpha female mean to you?
physicalbitcoin 7y ago
The yoga teachers I met were making huge amounts of money. Many of them were lush. This is in Bali and London. YMMV.
I just gave you a long list of alpha female qualities.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Lol funny response bro. What kind of non answer was that? I even gave you the opportunity to define your 'alpha female' but you got defensive instead. Disappointing!
Btw I live in London :)
Have a good day anyway bro. It's all love ❤️
panzerbier 7y ago
Looking forward to your new essay!
A data point: I'm nearing 30 myself, well put together. I'm spinning 3 plates, each nearing 30, literally without effort - all 3 have sought me out. I didn't spend a dime, and only a few hours on each before sex.
It's wonderful. They're not significantly worse than younger 20 somethings, but come very steeply discounted.
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Don't be bitter that high quality men have sex with peak smv women. They aren't jerks, thats a blue pill illusion
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
this entire thread is such a waste of time. Anyone who has read TRP already knows this shit, theres no point in sitting around and gloating about it.
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It's good for the newbies but they could get the same thing reading the top posts
cherryCanSuckMyDick 7y ago
good to a point. The wall is a great teaching concept for explaining why women do what they do, but its dangerous because its very easy for a guy at the bottom to sit back and laugh at women because he now knows theyll probably get whats coming to them. Thats not what TRP should be IMO
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
For someone who is hopeless, it helps to understand that women don't have it perfect forever. And that everyone has to deal with shit at some point in their life.
MKSsystem 7y ago
TRP is amoral. It's great for understanding why these things are as they are, but what you do with it is up to you
LavaPipe 7y ago
Although these are basic concepts for redpill, I really enjoyed how you wrote this. The in text examples are perfect for redpill noobs who are on the fence or in disbelief. Sweet post man
coco5440 7y ago
As a guy in my early 50s this type of woman is a great target. By the time she's in her mid-thirties guys like me (i.e. decent job and still physically OK) start looking pretty good.
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Lift like your life depends on it, right?
Also, if you're not looking to get married, that's a good age gap.....age gaps are good for fending off commitment. At my age, 45, a woman of 35 could hamster away a 10 year gap....at your age, say 53, that's 18 years, a much bigger deal.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
The hamster of the girls he is banging are not the ones that need to hamster it away. He is in charge, despite- or because of- the 18 year age gap.
devilslittlehelper 7y ago
They are called Christmas Cake in Japan. Not good after 25..
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nebder 7y ago
Your essay was written well. However, the wall isn’t a new concept. Ultimately, I cannot determine what the point is that you’re making.
What actions do you propose should be taken here? If you add in how to handle/bang a leftover then there’s much more value here.
red_matrix 7y ago
There's always new people joining. Let them take their pill
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
It's red pill porn. Weren't you rock hard during the entire read??
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
I visit this sub for posts like this now. It makes my day.
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That's exactly what this is! Not even slightly cutting edge and fucking hilarious.
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kevin32 7y ago
Good points. The essay is meant for newly Red Pilled members, and I've updated the summary to reflect this. I'm also writing a piece on how to have NSA sex with these women.
nebder 7y ago
Interesting follow up essay. That one sounds useful.
Some women around 35+ have realized they’re not gonna get what they want and given up the bloopie dream. These ones are ok with getting back on the carousel. You can get a feel for women with this attitude. They’re fun. It’s the provider hunters that you gotta watch out for.
TheReformist94 7y ago
This is complete fantasy and does not happen in most cases. This is part of the pill.no offence,but everyone woman at work more or less is OK.