INTRO:
So the other day, I went to a local crappy 99cent store to grab some laundry detergent and other things. While in line there was a guy who fits the mold for the stereotypical chad we talk about here.. 6'2"+, fit, handsome facial aesthetics, pretty cool laid back personality, and extremely comfortable and social talking to people in line and joking with the cashier. He cold approaches a girl and gets rejected.
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So while waiting in line, Chad's chatting up this chick who's maybe a 6. She's cute, probably looks good naked, average size (little bit of a belly but not "chubby") I wouldn't call her "hot" by any means, but I personally wouldn't mind going home with her or be embarrassed to be seen with her in public.
Chad's game is on point, he's super chill, not nervous at all and keeping things light. He establishes a commonality between them how they go to the same college and mentions he's going to a party with some class mates from grad school. He then invites her along to the party and asks for her number in case she wants to link up and go.
Well the girl rejected him with the classic run around of "Uhh my phone's not working but I can give you Facebook?" Trying to reject him but lightly deflect so she doesn't look like a stuck up bitch or get him mad. Chad replies with "Wow that sounds.. awful" with a light laugh and she laughs too. They check out and part ways. Chad's frame was not even scratched from the interaction and he still left the store with a smile on his face, probably stoked to hit the party later that night and meet more people.
Conclusion
I was rooting for chad to number close this chick upon witnessing the interaction.. But I was 10x more impressed with Chad's demeanor upon getting rejected and actually thought of him in a better light than I think I would have had she given him her number. He didn't give a fuck and left his ego at the door over it. He was still polite to the girl even though he was rejected. Chad had a positive mental attitude about the whole thing.
On top of this, Chad was probably out of her league. I've seen guys like him with way hotter chicks than her, so this is a confirmation that attraction isn't just based 100% on looks and confidence, and hypergamy is more of a score based/gradient phenomena than a black or white concept (e.g.. Some girls are more likely to be hypergamous than others. Sarah has a hypergamy score of 2 so Chad has to roll a 2 or lower on his D20 to score.. Where Stacy has a hypergamy score of 19 so Chad has to roll a 1-19 to get Stacy to cheat on her BF with him.)
This is how you should be in approaching women. You shouldn't be angry or feel embarrassed over rejection because there's guys like me who see this shit happen and say "Hey way to go out swinging for the ball instead of just staring at it, good eye!". I admire chad's courage to just approach a girl in line like that because honestly, I wouldn't and still get hardcore AA after years of being aware of this stuff... But this inspired me a little bit and taught me a life lesson to just suck up and get over it. Just jump into the cold shower.. It's cold, and uncomfortable, but you're going to come out alive in 5 minutes so just deal with it.
Hope this helps and inspires some guys on here to just approach and NGAF about the outcome.
TL;DR: witnessed a chad of male pornstar quality get rejected on a cold approach by a girl who was probably a 6. Chad DNGAF told her "have a good night!" and just proceeded to enjoy his day. He didn't go join an incel forum, he didn't go MGTOW in his off the grid masturbation den in Montana and swear off women.. He probably approached and got some other girl's numbers at the party he went to that night.
Blackhawk2479 6y ago
There is a breakpoint where a girl will disqualify herself because her own perceived SMV is much lower than his.
If he's genuinely as high as you rate him and often approaches 6s he may well be used to it, especially if they have low self-esteem.
Good example though - be like Chad.
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clangplusplus 6y ago
I had an interesting conversation with my coworker the other day. We talk about relationships and dating occasionally, I try to be vague but she'll often spill the beans about a guy. She's got a huge spare tire but has a pretty face. A 5 on a good day.
Anyway, she was telling me about a terrible date she had. This guy is an ex-marine, drives a bmw, and she described him as very handsome. It was a bad date because the guy showed up before her, ordered food and was eating it when she arrived, was totally disinterested in the conversation, and flippantly invited her back to his place after dinner.
She told me she went off on the guy about how she doesn't need him for "validation" and a "confidence boost". This was interesting to me because I think, subconsciously, those are two very good reasons a woman would fuck a guy on the first date. But because the gap between them was so wide, and his behavior made that explicit by not even trying at all, she was forced to consciously reconcile that fact-- and she couldn't.
RedPill115 6y ago
Trp used to discuss how some of the low SMV girls who want a relationship realize getting their count (how many guys they slept with) high is going to leave them with nothing.
For attractive girls they bang 50 guys, they're still hot. For less attractive girls doing that means giving up the only card they have to play to be valuable in a long term relationship.
Acquin 6y ago
Guy probably just called one of his five backups right after and forgot she existed.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
I've yet to meet a girl who has self esteem even on the scale of mine. Insecurities abound with girls, if they appear confident and self assured, it's an act she is putting on. They doubt themselves in everything, they've simply learned to hide it from most people. That's why they need the validation every fucking day.
le_wolfe 6y ago
Cue social media, mirrors, phone calls and a bunch of orbiters.
SilverGryphon 6y ago
That is why they complain that they are ugly so that guys would tell them "nah don't say that, you are so pretty" You can almost see them feed off the validation.
Glacierdust 6y ago
Girls do disqualify themselves if they're super ugly, it's true. But if she's a 6 then she probably thinks she's an 8 so I doubt this is why she disqualified herself. Some women really do have types and he maybe didn't fit the pattern. Or there could be a number of other reasons. Guys on here seem to think everything is about SMV and that SMV is measured very easily with no room for variation or unquantifiable human preferences. I've been rejected by 5s and 6s before and I've also been approached by 8s. Those who approached me later told me I was their type so I guess that makes sense. As for the girls who rejected me, I guess I'll never know the reason but I'm OK with that. It's important to bounce back after a rejection but there's no need to hamster on about how you're so high SMV and she's so insecure. Maybe, maybe not. Just do you, keep approaching and keep your head up when you fail and your head down when you succeed.
CQC3 6y ago
I feel that types are not discussed here very well. There's a lot of discussion about SMV, but not much giving credence to the fact that women have types even though it's not set in stone.
I think it's important to ask yourself what type you portray yourself as. You're doing it even if you aren't cognizant of it.
ranluka 6y ago
Yeah.. gotta remember there's lots of reasons a girl might say no to a cold approach asside from attractiveness. She might already have a BF, she may not like guys, or you're simply not her type, or.. much more common then you would think.. she doesn't trust a random guy who just walked up to her in a super market. The world is fucking scary for woman and many arn't going to give out their numbers to someone without some sort of connection they can draw on. If she doesn't have some connection with you through friends, family or work, she may not feel safe giving you her number.
gELSK 6y ago
Women are fucking scared of the world
They do have reasons to be scared, but not on the level I typically see in suburbanites. If they were really all that scared I imagine there would be more carry permits.
Blackhawk2479 6y ago
I agree, but remember: they’re all insecure about something. Even the 9s and 10s.
DesignerAccount 6y ago
The 9s and 10s are easily the most insecure - Everything they've got/achieved was because of their looks. How would you react if your entire life depended on something this fleeting, and someone questioned it?
_the_shape_ 6y ago
Add to that the consistency with which they are validated based on their looks (ex. compliments, preferential treatment, double takes, staring) and the brutal crash they experience when someone either behaves with complete indifference or 'negatively' (scowl, grow frustrated, sharply disagree) toward them.
It may sound preposterous, but there probably are women out there who get downright destroyed when a selfie only gets 8,903 likes and they're accustomed to breaking the 10,000 mark with regularity.
russbussdp 6y ago
This is why there's a "dad bod" craze right now. It gives low confidence females an opportunity to hold the power. And then there's the disgusting whales that make absurd fucking comments like, "I'm the hottest girl here right now." Sure, if by hot you mean unable to maintain core temperature haha.
holytrpbatman 6y ago
Hottest is synonymous with heaviest, when dealing with entitled ham planets.
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[deleted] 6y ago
I think you're on to something here.
Fat shaming is good because being fat is a damned shame. I don't give a rats ass that I'm making people look bad by making myself look as good as I possibly can.......and yeah, it sometimes feels like I'm breaking some unwritten societal rule by pushing so hard.
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Holy shit dude I laughed so hard.
Menchstick 6y ago
What she means is that in a couple minutes her mass will be high enough to start nuclear fusion.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
Wasn't the dad bod craze confined to a six month period in like 2015?
russbussdp 6y ago
I dunno about that, but what I do know Is that every chick I get with eventually tries to talk me out of lifting by saying some dumb shit like oh you're already attractive. You're already muscular. Ya and the better I look the shittier they feel about their saggy tits or fuckin whatever. The more attractive you are the more competition they have to deal with. They want to fuck Chad, but they want to date beta bucks pot belly faggot who's comfortable buying his way in.
gELSK 6y ago
// , Never had a woman who actually gave any positives toward my exercising and body shape improvement
sketchyuser 6y ago
Yeah my ex didn't like me trying to get a six pack. It made her feel bad about herself.
It's among the reasons I couldn't see a future between us. I didn't want to be with someone who was going to make me feel bad about my progress in the gym and become more self-conscious as I continued to improve myself.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
You got it. Lifting is a passive form of dread game.
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CQC3 6y ago
I mean, generally speaking (hopefully), the more in shape you are the more your own standards should go up.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy lifting as an activity itself, but make no mistake I'm not busting my ass here just to date some fatty who can't bother to keep in shape.
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my thoughts too, long forgot about that.
Acquin 6y ago
Don't know where else to post this, but the other day a girl I had not yet met that I was only texting gave me a comfort test which of course I failed hardcore. Proceeded to block me on everything. Instead of getting butthurt I really took it as a "damn I'm starting to look good". Thought it was quite strange she'd comfort test some guy she'd only known for a couple days. But that too was self disqualification. This shit is real.
Nonetheless, gotta keep the ego away despite this event.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
So what was the comfort test.
Acquin 6y ago
"Do you think I'm easy?", I agreed and amplified of course.
CQC3 6y ago
I wonder how a pressure flip would have worked.
I feel a "I dunno, do YOU think you're easy?" would have been really fun. Almost by default she'd probably have to say no, and then I'd test the waters with a "Okay then, shut the fuck up". Totally unsure how it'd pan out but that's my instinct.
smirk_addict 6y ago
That's a tricky one though to be honest. But I think it's hilarious that you agreed and amplified.
Acquin 6y ago
We were having quality banter just moments before she asked that too. These tests are impossible to detect.
RedPistola 6y ago
From the question alone, that very well may have been a shit test, with your response being a bit inappropriate
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mwobuddy 6y ago
Difference is 'chad' represents an attractive quality male, and therefore it is fine if he approaches in random locations. its creepy for someone of your caliber, but not of 'chad's.
gELSK 6y ago
// , Seems like you've cracked the code of:
#metoo
ziggmuff 6y ago
Lol what chicks phone in this day and age is "not working"?
Shit test.
Though i prolly woulda failed too, whats the best thing he could have said or done next?
DerpishGambino 6y ago
Nothing, really. Go for the add on FB, get ignored, become another dude liking her pics. React as he did, no number exchange, end of interaction.
blackedoutfast 6y ago
he did exactly what he should have done. the whole "i dont have a phone but u can be an orbiter on facebook" was where it ends. this Chad isn't interested in becoming an orbiter and he isn't going to waste a lot of time and effort chasing after some 6 in a dollar store. it's likely that the onty reason this girl got any attention was because he was waiting in line anyway.
there are an abundance of hotter girls out there that are a better use of his time. there isn't anything to do next except say "k have a good night" and then move on to the next one.
no matter how good you get at this, no matter how high your SMV, even if you are a jacked rockstar billionaire Chad you will still get rejected sometimes even when you do everything right.
weiguk 6y ago
He didn't fail the shit test. Passing a shit test doesn't mean that you get what you want. Passing a shit test establishes that you have alpha traits (and aren't a beta).
"No, I will not be one of your Facebook orbiters"
Yes, he could've tried to invest more resources (time) into convincing her, but why bother? She's a random 6 in a store. He will see multiple similar women throughout his day. And he will definitely see women like that at the party. Why bother? Abundance mentality.
Women like that are not worth the effort. And pursuing them is actually a beta trait, since you put that single woman on a pedestal "I have to get her!".
Colt42O 6y ago
The Chad in this example didn't fail at all in my opinion. He stated clearly what he wanted from the girl, her number and for her to go to the party later. She refused to give him what he wanted and offered a lower value alternative of her FB, something that he was not interested in at all. So he rejected her offer in turn, saying that it sounded awful, and left the interaction. He knew what he wanted and didn't want to settle for less, so he won in my eyes
red-arctic-tern 6y ago
The reason Chad didn't get the number was that the girl didn't want to give it in front of all the people.
Peter_B_Long 6y ago
Nah he played it perfectly. Maybe she's lesbian. Maybe she's engaged. Maybe she gets social anxiety at parties. There's a ton of reasons on why she rejected him. Maybe she had plans already.
I'm sure that the Chad didn't take it personal at all and didn't even think or care about what the real reason was for the rejection.
TheRecycledMale 6y ago
OR... She's on her period - timing with any woman is as much a factor as anything else. The woman that fucks your lights out on that ONS was probably ovulating - the one that didn't "play the game" and shot you down in the first round, could have a yeast infection and not be feeling good, and sex is the last thing she's thinking about.
Women have cycles, become aware of them and things get lots easier. In fact - Awareness is your #1 strategic weapon in almost everything in life.
halfback910 6y ago
Sure. You only need one to say yes. Pretty difficult to get upset over someone you have 0 time or financial or emotional investment in saying no, imo. If anything, slight embarrassment? Very slight.
People overestimate how much other people are paying attention to and/or caring about the things they do/say/wear/whatever. So embarrassment tends to be pretty overblown.
Ou-tis 6y ago
Sorry,my facebook is broken
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Sorry, my Facebook is out of batteries
HolyNards 6y ago
If it feels like a test rather than a rejection go for address instead imo. "Yeah the crank fell off mine too. (Open phone in front of her) What's your address? I'll write you instead, only I'm not sure it will arrive in time, so I'll see you at 8."
Fonzoon 6y ago
i think you can get both address and phone number if you just ask for the social security number (as well as FB via the name, if you decide to become an orbiter). it's the full package, 3 in 1.
HolyNards 6y ago
Overlooking your snide comment, I see you've given your opinion elsewhere in this thread, and to that your thinking is in line with mine, hence my 'if it feels like a test rather than a rejection' caveat.
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ionforge 6y ago
This broken phone is probably a lie, I would tell her I don't use Facebook, give me your number and I'll call you when you repair your phone. Then call her the same day.
king-schultz 6y ago
Then she makes up another "excuse", and you look like a desperate fool sweating a 6, instead of a cool and confident guy that she missed out on.
ionforge 6y ago
Or you will look like a confident man that knows what he wants. In the end why do you care how you look in front of her, you are not losing anything more than a couple of minutes asking a second time.
king-schultz 6y ago
Meh, no way I'm giving her the satisfaction of turning me down again, and making me look like I'm desperate for her number. Fuck that.
You do you tho
ionforge 6y ago
You still care too much about what she thinks/feels. In the end you are going to miss a change on getting laid with a girl you like because the possibility of getting rejected.
king-schultz 6y ago
Lol, whatever. You could be Brad fucking Pitt, and she wasn't going to fuck you given that scenario. Sorry you can't see the obvious.
Fonzoon 6y ago
I agree. Insisting doesn't work. Makes you look like a cuck. Gives her the satisfaction (twice!). it's an obvious lie that her phone doesn't work.
if you did say something like, "i don't use fb, ill call when u 'fix' ur phone", she might end up giving you her number and never respond btw. which is even more annoying than what happened here.
in my opinion, unless it's an obvious win, a guy should wait for the girl to make suggestions (via body language) that you should ask to keep in touch. otherwise just leave a good conversation to be a good conversation for its own sake! (with perhaps some confidence boosting on both sides)
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
So, why didn't you open her first?
PlanB_pedofile 6y ago
the latest episode of rick and morty showed a right way of moving on.
Dude's date turned bad, he kinda bombed, date rejected him, so he boads his farewells and spots a single gal at the bar.
this is how rejection should be handled. just move on to the next.
rejection should be more acceptable in society. However lately it seem theres a toxic and public shaming to being turned down.
mcr00sterdota 6y ago
Haha "Non-toxic Morty" had such good frame.
trees_away 6y ago
Non-toxic Morty was a pimp.
grewapair 6y ago
The wrong way
Fanaticism 6y ago
That's magnificent. Where is that from?
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Snuff Box. It's a comedy show from BBC.
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biggerbetterjobs 6y ago
Exactly, there are multiple avenues of reason in which rejection is the end result. The point of this post was 1.) Acceptance/rejection isn't always just boiled down to looks and game. 2.) Chad can't always get the girl. 3.) You shouldn't give a fuck about rejection cause no one cares, some people might even be rooting you on for stepping up to the plate. 4.) Sometimes women are simply just loyal to their BF and not hypergamy-bots.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
This is something to be aware of. Location is important, is it public or private? Often the girl who publicly declines will eagerly accept in private. They're so embarrassed they were asked out at work that they say no. I used to pick up girls in the drive through, the rest off the store couldn't hear the conversation out the window, so it worked very well. Isolating them in a public place is possible, but there are ways to get her alone other than at the drive through.
max_peenor 6y ago
Particularly when there is a serious SMV mismatch. She knows she is just a series of holes to him. There is a very low chance of lockdown. Everyone else around her sees this. To publicly agree to meet him is the same as admitting she's a slut worthy of the title Cum Receptacle and nothing more.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
This is something to be aware of. Location is important, is it public or private? Often the girl who publicly declines will eagerly accept in private. They're so embarrassed they were asked out at work that they say no. I used to pick up girls I the drive through, the rest off the store couldn't hear the conversation out the window, so it worked very well. Isolating them in a public place is possible, but there are ways to get her alone other than at the drive through.
gELSK 6y ago
// , Reminds me of this https://youtu.be/Lv2zKslLLik?t=33s
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
Something to keep in mind, especially for beginners, warming up for social occasions is definitely a thing. The chad here probably was doing it here, among many other positives, to get himself out of his shell before it was game time.
I went out with a group of friends before going to a social event I didn't really want to be at and by the time I got there I was already "hot". Easily the life of the party. Don't underestimate the value of a good warm up.
Poppinredpillsallday 6y ago
This is a great tip. I do the same to get ready for a big party. Just remember, have the right mental attitude especially when getting rejected and you'll be hot around party time.
setsuna0 6y ago
Last night I was walking out the bar. Omw out I saw a lady with a nice body (couldn't see a face) and just acted like I came right up to talk to her. She hit me with a "aww you're way too young for me" I laughed because I'm 3x her height and walked away laughing.
It felt good to get rejected tbh because before I'd over think myself out of it
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its all awww until its glugh glugh mate.
fuck em.
compsickman 6y ago
"I know right? It's gonna be weird when you start calling me daddy."
If you want a nice laff
setsuna0 6y ago
Using that next time lmao ty
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yessum447 6y ago
That's not rejection man that's just her testing you. Agree and amplify.
setsuna0 6y ago
Right. I was leaving so I just kept it moving. I did see it as a rejection though ty.
TaylorWolf 6y ago
Well if you fail a shit test that is a sort-of rejection
BullshittingNonsense 6y ago
This is nice to hear that a rejection is viewed positively by an onlooker. That's what stops me from talking to chicks - other people are gonna overhear me and think I'm weird or a loser.
giggity23 6y ago
Whe should view it as a win when we even dare to approach a girl. So a rejection is technically a win, no matter what. Also, people who are overhearing the convo probably admire your guts.
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prodigy2throw 6y ago
Numbers game bruh. This Chad know what's up
rahl_r 6y ago
Its Idaho. Idaho is where its at.
Usename13579 6y ago
Well done, Chad. This is normal and healthy. People are attracted and rejected all of the time. Most people realize that it's no big deal and that attraction needs to go both ways for a relationship (or even just a hook-up) to work. If one person isn't attracted, another will be.
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biggerbetterjobs 6y ago
To me it's similar to jumping in the ocean when the water's still kind of cold. It's super uncomfortable but once you just say "fuck it yolo" and go for it, it's not so bad.
smyger 6y ago
Now when I think about it like you put (thx btw), about being ashamed to approach. Since if all chads are used to getting rejected, and this is something that happens to everyman. Why would we be too timid to approach?
cashmoney_x 6y ago
She was pre-rejecting him d/t him being so much higher in SMV
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This ties well into post about women lacking any character or substance. Why feel bad about rejection when you're being rejected by a creature famous for making bad choices in life? hahahaha
It should be taken as compliment.
Think of how many women that reject you will end up fat parasites on some poor chump. Rejection should be celebrated maybe as much as fucking a chick you really like. Cause even most of those will end up nowhere.
biggerbetterjobs 6y ago
I think it's ego driven to just say "women are bad decision makers" and it's coming from a place of feeling inferior because they're not attracted to you or rejected you.
Men make lots of shitty decisions too, I mean look at the state of the world right now lol. Yeah some chicks might wind up fat and leeching off a beta bucks, but that's just the way she goes.. Not everyone is going to pursue the alpha path. Lots of people are content in mediocre lifestyles.. Working shitty low wage low skill jobs that pay them just enough to have a place to live, cable/internet/phone, and food to eat. They don't care to compete, they don't care for much else because that is their little reality bubble.
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meh, it only works if you are high value person. Of course u can rationalize it but for some men here, being rejected is 99% proof of girls failure to see that the guy is awesome.
Im talking about guys like one in OP's post. Whos obviously a grade few above the girl. Not talking about average joe.
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rightwingwarrior666 6y ago
Once liberalism is erradicated from society, cucks and chads will have nothing against us, libtards have corrupted the females mindset and that's about to go down. Rejection in every case is just a demonstration on how the left has imposed their depravated ideas on the females mind, and that's a cancer worth getting rid of
gELSK 6y ago
Or, and bear with me, here, maybe she doesn't want to get fucked by you
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Jesus man, I'm no liberal but youre way out there on this one
Cross_De_Lena 6y ago
Lol what are you talking about M8?
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LandoChronus 6y ago
Really? A real Chad would pick her up against her will and take her home for some Chad style rape? Or club her over the head and go for it in the store?
Don't be ignorant.