*This is quite long. Lots of information. I'm not going to TLDR. Read motherfuckers.
For the safety of my own job I can't specify the nightclub, let's just say it's quite famous. I perform security duties there and while I've done security my whole life, nightclubs are a different beast than anything on Earth.
1.Status is Everything. I used to frequent this night club before I began working there and let me tell you something: My success rate was average at best. I could grab the 6/7s at a decent rate, but even they would stick their nose up quite often and make me work for it. The 8-10s wouldn't even give me 10 words.
The second I put on my uniform--a uniform that looked exactly like the outfit I would wear to the club---these women began coming on to me without any provocation. They want to dance on me. They want to talk to me. They give me their numbers without me even hinting at wanting them. When I say the same girls, I don't mean women like them, I mean THE SAME EXACT WOMEN.
What women perceive as status and power and what is actual status and power are the same thing. Remember that.
2.Eye Contact is Strong. I've learned through years of security how important eye contact is. I make it with everyone who comes through the door, men and women. It's a fantastic criminal deterrent because people feel like you've noticed them and made contact, and now they don't want to disappoint someone they know. They're also easier to handle if something does happen.
This strong eye contact works absolute wonders with women. I refuse to look away first and women LOVE being noticed. I get most of the numbers simply by refusing to look away and women feel compelled to come figure out why.
3.Smiling is Stupid. Never Smile Without Great Reason. Ever notice how black guys never smile in pictures? Notice how bouncers and security rarely smile ever? This is on purpose. Smiling is a powerful tool, one that says a lot about you and the situation.
People, especially women, like making people happy. They are submissive at hearts which means they gain ultimate pleasure from pleasing others, especially a strong man. Not smiling makes you look unhappy and unsatisfied with their company, and women and weak men will do anything to make you like them. The things women have done to make me smile is hilarious---I had this white girl bend over, exposing her no pantied ass, and shake that shit just to make me smile. Not smiling is a very powerful tool.
4.There Is No Such Thing As Degrading Women. No one is forcing women or coercing them to be slutty. No one. No one makes women show up in the shortest mini skirts humanly possible. No one makes them cut their jeans into shorts until their butt cheeks show. No one makes them wear no panties then bend over to shake it.
Women could dress however they want to. They choose to dress this way because they WANT TO BE SEXUAL OBJECTS. Women could dance however they want to. They grind and dry hump BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE SEXUAL OBJECTS. I have a massive dance floor but women beg me, literally BEG ME to dance on the poles. Beg me. They want to be sexually gratified, to be seen as sexual objects. They want to be wanted. They all want a Blue Ribbon that says 1st Place.
Never ever forget this. Your girl, as perfect and sweet as you think she is, wants to be a filthy slut for you. She wants you to make her a sexual object.
5.Wear A Suit, Nigga. Wear A Suit. Not much to say here. The difference between that untucked button up(woof, don't ever do this) and a man in a suit is MASSIVE. Handsome men in that sloppy button up look worse than average men in a nice fitting suit. Fitting part is very important. I'm not saying you have to go European Cut, but get that shit tailored my dude.
6.The 90/10% Effect is Painfully Obvious. When Tinder released its results about how a large percentage of women were swiping the same small amount of guys no one who reads here was surprised, but seeing it live is absolutely astounding.
Each night the bar is packed with dozens of guys in their shitty button ups tucked in watching a the same guys talk, grab, flirt, kiss, and grind every girl in the club. They stand there and order 20 dollar drinks that only cost 20 dollars because they're paying a Hot Girl Tax---which means you're paying extra because of the quality of women in the place---and they aren't getting anything out of it.
It's like paying for Social Security and then choosing to kill yourself the day before it kicks in. It's like paying for Medical Insurance and then never getting a check up. And these men willingly accept it, hoping some woman walks by and magically likes them.
7.Know Your Type Of Woman. I'm going to be frank: race matters more with women than it does with men. Most men react to most situations pretty much the same---The only difference is with tipping: British guys tips ALOT, Indian men not at all.
But with women it is fascinating. The most friendly, outgoing, and receptive women are Latin women followed by white women. Latin some dress more conservatively but are more likely to approach you with interest. White women dress sluttier than anyone in the club and usually approach you to impress their friends and get attention. They're also the most likely to ask what you're doing after work because they have a room.
Indian Women will never, and I mean ever, make eye contact. They either consider us beneath them or are too timid to hold eye contact with someone imposing. The point is, know what you're looking for and know what to avoid. Unless you're Brad Pitt or Channing Tatum, handsome, world famous, and powerful, every woman will not be into you. This is ok. Know your target audience and learn how to deliver to them.
8.Women Are Followers. We've all been there. We've all heard it. Women saying they're special, wanting to be treated unique. That's projecting. Women are followers and they KNOW IT. How do I know?
Because every girl shows up wearing the same exact outfit: Belly shirt and high waisted shorts. This is the style. This is the trend. They all follow it. They all knowingly wear the same outfit day after day. They all flirt with the same guys. They all drink the same drink.
Most importantly, when the crowd moves to an area, you can literally watch women impulsively move with it. They HAVE to be a part of the group and crowd. They crave, nay, they NEED to be accepted by it.
9.Direct Game is the Best Game. I've watched average looking dudes pull women 2-3 points higher than them by being direct. I don't mean walking up behind a girl and trying to grind on her. That's stupid and corny and will get you the "creepy look". What I mean is walking up to a woman, touching her as soon as possible, and bringing her into your center of gravity. Make your intentions known from the jump. These women are out here to meet people and don't have time to waste on men who are scared or hesitant.
Clank_clank 10y ago
For people questioning the tip about wearing a suit to the club:
In my experience, you can wear pretty much anything you fucking want as long as you wear it with confidence. (I feel like this should be a no brainer on the sub)
For example, some of my most successful nights out have been accompanied by just my bathing suit from the pool after day drinking and a half unbuttoned button down. (In regards to the bathing suit, I'm not talking some overly obnoxious knee length surfer suit, I'm talking a shorter one, similar to the shorts brand "chubbies")
In my experience, women flock to the "idgaf this is comfortable and I'll wear it attitude".
Allow them to be the ones who suffer through the night in their heels and super tight corset or whatever the fuck they are wearing while you stay comfortable and in charge.
NOT_MEEHAN 10y ago
I've always said this to everyone. We've all seen this many times. Quit being a "wallhanger." Don't just stand there and act cool. Take action. Go talk to anyone you wish and continue talking to attractive women over and over. Most guys will just stare and make snide remarks but, the women will notice you are having fun and don't live in fear of rejection. Bring your reality to them. In your reality, you don't give a fuck. You don't because it's just fun to meet new people and be social. It's not about getting #s etc. It's about meeting as many gorgeous women you can full time 24/7 with no regrets.
I've never ever had a rejection more painful than the self shame of not even talking to her. That applies for day game stuff as well.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
rejection hurts a lot less than regret.
Mymobileacoconut 10y ago
Yes. This is huge. And a cornerstone of RSD. You build up incredible social momentum from approaching constantly and physically. I like to give out hugs, spins, dance moves, kisses, make outs. It's all fun. Making out to a girl isn't a big deal if you don't make it a big deal. And it does incredible things for your value.
lucifa 10y ago
Cocaine also has this effect.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
That's why approaching gets addictive
VegasHostTre 10y ago
Well I would say the best days to hit the clubs are when they are relatively dead. I get the most action on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays when every John Q Paycheck has to sleep for work. Less competition means your SMV automatically goes up and if you look good its an even bigger plus.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
weekends are terrible club nights. that's when the professional club girls are out. if you don't have bottles ans tables I don't care how cook you are.
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SethMemVegas 10y ago
I lost it at "don't smile" dude.
This isn't a battle of who looks like they hate their life more. If you are in a club, having fun, it's only natural to smile . Why would you fight you natural tendencies to pull a girl? She ain't worth it.
lightfire409 10y ago
I believe his point is to selectively smile. Don't smile to try and defuse awkward situations. Don't smile And laugh at yourself, dont smile to try and gain acceptance or favor with someone else. Those behaviors are submissive.
Do smile when you are genuinely happy. When a girl pleases you. That's his point. Too many men smile a crack a joke at the first sign of a lull in a conversation.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
smiling is like talking: better to be laconic then loquacious.
better to smile too little than smile too much.
Haus_of_Klaus 10y ago
There have been studies that show women favor photos when men do no smile and find them more attractive.
Strife450 10y ago
It's not about that. It's about the idea that you should always be smiling to look friendly/welcoming. This works the other way around psychologically alot of the time, and there are studies that back that. Simply not smiling unless you literally have the reflex to, gives you loads of benefits in attraction.
MrArtfulDodger 10y ago
Same. Nothing wrong with smiling as long as you're not the guy grinning 24/7. Women are attracted to guys having a good time and smiling displays that.
FallenHighSchoolJock 10y ago
Clubs are a scam if you are average.
AcidCheese5 10y ago
Debatable. I know I'm average, fuck maybe even below average at times, so I stay away from those ritzy-EDM crazed clubs not just cuz I hate the music (it's fucking horrible lol), but I honestly don't stand much of a chance against these high status muscular men...yet. Granted, I'm doing my absolute best to change my game and better myself (that's why I'm on TRP) but the only clubs I go to nowadays are music venues if the artist playing is someone I genuinely respect and have interest in seeing. This is a huge advantage for me at least knowing some sorta information on the band or performer and I can use this as a good conversation starter with women. So I'm still going to clubs, but I seek out the music I like. Call me a hipster faggot, but this is working for me.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
yup. pretty much. you have to be above average in either looks money game or all 3
dandeezy 10y ago
Clubs are a scam if:
You don't go there at peak time
You don't walk right in because you know the bouncer (please tip them discreetly on busy nights). This takes 6 months to get down. They don't just accept tips from anybody..It's easier if you know someone who already does and walk I'm with them and thank the bouncer (eye CONTACT!) so they remember you.
You actually go there to drink lol
You are not good at body language. No one talks over loud music other than a few words.
I could go on, but ask or I'll make a post about club game.
E: formatting
Dat_Black_Guy 10y ago
Ask someone who uses the club as his primary weapon, i'd like to see that post.
OH an you're 1 through 5 is right..Most of these guys don't get it
CreepAcceptance 10y ago
If you're interested in club game then check out Christian McQueen's site and podcast.
Mymobileacoconut 10y ago
1230 am show up? Not a lot of time to warm up...
dandeezy 10y ago
This is not the gym, you don't need a warm up. It's a pool, don't be a pussy and dive in. The only reason you should go early (10 pm) is because you don't know the bouncer and want to get in.
Another Tip: if you can walk in with girls, do it. Even if they're your sister, cousin, some girl you just met but aren't taking home because she's with her bridesmaids, tag along. Bouncers let guys in if they're with as group of girls.
There has been actual coincidences where I chat up a group of girls that were intimidated by the big line on busy nights and I opened up, hey guys I know the bouncer, you guys want to skip the line. All three clinged to me like a magnet. Little did they know the bouncer would have let in with just one of them on my arm.
Sorry for any typos, on mobile.
FallenHighSchoolJock 10y ago
This poster already wrote a very thorough article about why clubs are bullshit http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/24kdzo/clubs_are_a_scam_if_you_are_average/
dandeezy 10y ago
Oh I saw that post, had a long reply in that thread too.
It's a whole different animal. Like fishing and hunting. If you don't know, you will make shitty posts like that and out gets popular because that's all what newbies experience upon entering the club game.
redpillschool Admin 10y ago
Approved. Sorry about that.
FallenHighSchoolJock 10y ago
S'okay holmes.
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
True.
Girls get into free to attract the suckers who pay for watered down and overpriced drinks all night.
jmg83 10y ago
Which is precisely why I prefer bars with no entrance fee to these jumped-up clubs.
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The cover fee does have value. There are definitely a different class of people at these places.
jmg83 10y ago
I'm not interested in all the posturing and foolishness that comes with places like that. It feels ridiculous.
[deleted] 10y ago
Fair enough. I feel ridiculous surrounded by drunk 19 year olds trying to get in fights.
hulk181 10y ago
I don't know about wearing a suit to a club. Most clubs are hot as hell especially on the dance floor. Most guys are going to be sweating and want to take their jacket off after 30 minutes in a club. The other advice sounds pretty solid though.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
women wear heels. its uncomfortable but it loons good.
suffer.
hulk181 10y ago
The difference is that women won't be sweating in heels. Guys in suits in 90 degree clubs will. Any sweaty guy is automatically at a disadvantage when it comes to approaching a girl compared to a guy who isn't. It's just common sense.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
No club is that hot... Well, no good club.
Every club I've ever managed or worked detail in purposely keeps people as cool and comfortable as possible. That's customer service 101.
everyone_wins 10y ago
I think it depends on the city and the venue. Where I live, an untucked, fitted dress shirt and pants that fit me well get me tons of pussy because most dudes wear t-shirts and baggy jeans. I think the point is make sure you are dressed better than the average chode at whatever venue you may be.
Dress is about displaying status and social awareness. Looking stylish shows social awareness, wearing quality clothing shows status.
Manuel_S 10y ago
You know it man.
Tell us other points that might cross your mind.
1 - what other things scream status to them? Whats obvious to men may not be to women and vice versa.
3 - its not silver, its platinum.
5 - the suit must really fit, no shit shoes or accessories either. What else looks decent in your parts?
Rest is straight TRP... on 7, how do the chinese go?
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TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
ever meet a hot girl at the book store and think
fuck I wish I dressed better it would really boost my confidence?
well I did and I hated it. now I suit up or blazer or v neck everywhere
Daredfenomeno 10y ago
I was gonna say exactly that: while I agree with most points,the suit one is EXTREMELY dependant on the country you are. In my country nobody, and I repeat NOBODY would go to a club in a suit, no matter how high-end and nice the club is.
Killmelol12 10y ago
No suit, no potato. Such is life in Latvia :(
1NV0K3R 10y ago
I live in a...smaller southern town, and I used to be one of those guys who would stroll around in jeans and an untucked button up, thinking I looked like top shit. I'd go home alone at the end of the night wondering where I went wrong.
Since coming here, started lifting, starting "no fucks given"(NFG), started dressing way above my part. Suits would be a bit extravagant for the nightlife scene here, but just wearing photographer pants, a nicer fitted button down, and a tie have worked amazingly for social purveyance. I can almost walk up to any girl regardless of what the perceived SMV is and I can tell you the reciprocation is nearly 100% compared to how things used to happen.
Don't look like every other chump at the watering whole. Be the BEST LOOKINg chump.
cliffjumpers57 10y ago
you can get away with murder in a suit. This goes for just about everywhere
BadgerBurger 10y ago
High-end club in Vegas or Miami: Rock that suit.
There are some places where it won't look out of place. At your average nice bar, however, it will look out of place.
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Ties5o 10y ago
I read this as specific to a high end club. Most bars and clubs you would be well overdressed, which is not always a good thing.
snowflake1993 10y ago
i dunnno, a good fitting suit can be worn heaps of different ways, you can still look fucking tops while being casual about it, plain colored shirt (whites with a stitch) and your jacket open, looks good and isnt over the top
mast0rz 10y ago
Dark shoes, dark jeans, light shirt and dark jacket always looks good.
redpillschool Admin 10y ago
Jacket stays closed if you're standing- but no tie, open collar is casual.
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I remember talking to a friend studying psychology who told me about a social psych study indicating that people become more uncomfortable when faced with someone making a blank neutral face than someone who is clearly angry with them. It's unnerving to have someone look at you and be unable to tell what they think/feel about you.
I also remember reading of a study that indicated that women are more interested in men whose intentions are unclear. Not men who make it obvious that they are attracted to them and not men who make it obvious that they aren't attracted to them, but men who are genuinely mysterious in their affections/motives.
Now I understand that this flies directly in the face of your last point but I don't really think the two have to be mutually exclusive. There's certainly something to be said for keeping a poker face.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
Smirk. smirking occasionally is worth Feb million smiles.
unless you're a high energy guy smiling serves only to remove all mystery
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TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
that's some pimp level self awareness.
most guys lack this self awareness and would rather just complain.
dbtng 10y ago
I liked the post. I worked (deleted) I've since moved on to less shitty employment, but I've gotta agree with you on most points. -Why smile at morons? Pointless. -Women want to rape bouncers, particularly women on too much Molly, coke, and booze. -As for the wardrobe advice, meh. I play my game my way, and that doesn't involve trying to look like I'm a CEO in the middle of an over-rated sweatfest. I get your point, but confidence can utterly supplant the need for a suit. Take care, brother.
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cray-cray-cray 10y ago
Pretty strong post, but I'll take issue with this regarding eye contact...
Nope. They've made no connection with you and don't give a fuck about your disappointment. If anything, they know you can identify them if asked, in your capacity as a bouncer.
On a regular street encounter... eye contact also deters attacks, but that's because they know you're not afraid to look around, and consequently, might be someone who would defend themself.
Maybe you understand those things, but I don't want some social newbie getting the shit kicked out of themselves. What you said might be right for you, but it's not right for the 140# guy walking down an american street. Please remember that most of the audience here is not you.
Some sociopaths take eye contact as a potential victim cue... There's a big difference between the "stay away from me" eye contact and the "I'm friendly" eye contact.
Please elaborate if you like, but I don't want any random person here thinking that all eye contact is the same, or that eye contact from you in your club capacity is the same as their eye contact anywhere else.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
I hold the men here to a higher standard. I expect them to know the difference between standing firm and staring down a group of skinheads.
cray-cray-cray 10y ago
It sounds like you, and 23 other people at this count, must miss the constant newbie posts here.
I also didn't quote you as "the difference between standing firm and staring down a group of skinheads." That's not what you said. You said:
I just don't find that to be true, in theory, or experience. If criminals are deterred because they share a momentary glance with you, it's highly unlikely to be because they felt they made some personal connection with you and don't want to disappoint you.
Can you point to anyone besides yourself who thinks momentary eye contact with a criminal is a "fantastic criminal deterrent" because the criminal doesn't want to disappoint you?
If so, that shit should be taught far and wide to everyone with a pulse. Imagine the lives it would save.
Sippin_that_Haterade 10y ago
Just as a complement to this, if you're in NYC and in public, do not make eye contact with random men. This is a poor life decision that me end up with you getting your ass beat/stabbed. People here are crazy.
CarlsPudding 10y ago
White suburban people are really shitty at judging how and when to make eye contact, and they almost NEVER do it right.
[deleted] 10y ago
Where can I see these tinder statistics?
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[deleted] 10y ago
Yeah I don't know where he found that. Tinder has been pretty secret about their statistics. This is probably due to the fact OP is right and the truth would discourage the average guy from joining.
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lol'd
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
good. it is funny. red pill shit needn't always be so serious.
Da3dalus42 10y ago
As far as clothes go, what about tucked in button ups? Worn properly? You can't just walk around in a suit 24/7.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
wear a blazer.
if its that hit rock a v neck
CocaineOnThaSink 10y ago
It's for higher end clubs. Not your common I'm a wage slave getting in here with my $20 because I just got paid kind of club.
Da3dalus42 10y ago
I figured as much. But, I'm talking day to day here. Business slacks? Boat shoes? What do you wear?
CocaineOnThaSink 10y ago
Everyones style is unique to their body. What looks good on me ain't for the next man. That said, im pretty much a oxford and tapered jean kind of guy, something like this.
http://us.levi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=33710116&&cp=3146842.4305630.11510053
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sideoftheham 10y ago
Difference between staring and long eye contact?
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
if you don't know I can't explain.
there is a line and its pretty obvious once you do it enough.
CarlsPudding 10y ago
Staring is dead-eyed. You want to be reading with your eyes.
needathrowawayplease 10y ago
Whether she's attracted to you.
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Sherlock--Holmes 10y ago
This was a great post. I take exception to two items.
3. The whole attitude "I'm gangster and don't smile, knowhaimsayn" is completely backward. A lot of women enjoy laughter and if you can make them laugh you win. Smiling is a sign of stability too. You can play your "gangster wannabe" face, there are other ways to handle yourself that are better. Way better.
5. It really all depends, but wearing a full suit usually looks out of place. Take the tie off and relax in a club.
But yeah, too many slobs out there can't dress at all.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
its not a tough guy thing. most guys smile too much and it makes women feel like they get them. women like mystery. most men today over smile out of fear.
again if you're a high energy guy then go for the smile and laugh routine.most guys are not though.
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JGH8763 10y ago
What can be done to be successful despite the 90/10 rule? It's mostly based on looks, completely based on looks when it comes to Tinder. So, I suppose only guys who are 9s and 10s can use Tinder successfully? It's impossible to increase your looks past a certain point, so I suppose lesser guys are just doomed to a lack of sexual success in that venue.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
and this is why men are angry.
the great veil imof equality has been removed from this thing we call society. communities exist so lesser men can procreate . remove that and violence cometh.
JGH8763 10y ago
That's a good, though-provoking point.
So do you recommend working in a night club or a similar environment, or do you recommend frequenting them as a patron instead?
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
Think of the most violent places on Earth: Africa, The Middle East, American Inner Cities.
What do they all have in common other than a lack of white people? They contain large groups of men with little to no chance of procreation do to one factor or another.
Working in a nightclub is a dead end industry unless you're trying to network or learn the ropes to how to run a high risk business. It's a good stop gap because the money is fast and loose.
Frequenting night clubs is for guys with some high end skill: either you're attractive, wealthy, or have killer game.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
Think of the most violent places on Earth: Africa, The Middle East, American Inner Cities.
What do they all have in common other than a lack of white people? They contain large groups of men with little to no chance of procreation do to one factor or another.
Working in a nightclub is a dead end industry unless you're trying to network or learn the ropes to how to run a high risk business. It's a good stop gap because the money is fast and loose.
Frequenting night clubs is for guys with some high end skill: either you're attractive, wealthy, or have killer game.
throvvvvavvvvay 10y ago
I just want to smack you right now and I'm saying this because I care.
BadgerBurger 10y ago
Can you comment on bottle service? To me, it seems like it makes you a beta bucks chump from whom women are more than happy to take drinks. However, depending on club, it seems like the only way to not be shoulder-to-shoulder with people.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
at a high end club, bottle service is like bait for gorgeous girls. they don't need to drink it just know that you got it.
but only spend it if you got it.
hamstercide 10y ago
Can you elaborate on or give an example of what direct game is? I thought "mean walking up behind a girl and trying to grind on her" was as direct as it got, also, it's what all the hot alphas seemed to be doing.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
walk up. don't introduce yourself. make a statement based on her appearances. make your intentions clear: I think you're attractive and I don't wanna be friends.
since you guys are my niggas ill give you my freebie: you probably don't hear this a lot but you're very pretty. pause. wait for it to click. don't look away when she feigns indignation. smirk.
hamstercide 10y ago
Haha, gold. Thanks for the response.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
no problem. i'm always up to help when can.
needathrowawayplease 10y ago
Direct vs indirect is one of the most basic game concepts. Google it.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
No longer at the casino then Ryan?
Do you mean "are not" ?
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AfterC 10y ago
In reality, yes, they're not the same thing. In this case, I believe he's trying to argue perception has more importance than reality in the fast paced nature of club game.
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pounds_not_dollars 10y ago
Can someone elaborate on the 90/10% rule please.
Also what is the difference between suit and a button up?
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
don't be the guy in khakis or black slacks with the same button up everyobes got.
wear a suit. a fitted suit. tailored preferably
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
90% of the women go for 10% of the guys
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lepies_pegao 10y ago
I definitely agree with #5, but I just don't like how I look wearing a suit.
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throvvvvavvvvay 10y ago
Maybe you need a different suit?
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
TLDR
Take Charge.
Fuck her hard and use her body.
Let her know your intentions plainly, immediately and boldly. For club game apparently you ignore the rapport and comfort building stages.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
yup. no time for all that at clubs.
adamlikesprettygirls 10y ago
how do I become less scared and hesitant?
adamlikesprettygirls 10y ago
Thank you for the advice folks.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
fail. Alot. I still get rejected every day
Johnny_Shades 10y ago
Practice practice practice. Approach girls more often, it'll get easier.
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
Go and do something where there's a chance you could die.
Lifting weights is great, but you're not going to find your masculinity in an air conditioned gym. Go climb a mountain. Go to war. Go sailing. Go on a safari. Go bushwhacking. Dedicate yourself to a martial arts that has legit sparring. See a pattern? Just do something daring and dangerous that takes focus, self reliance, and self mastery.
Once you reforge yourself in the fires of strife talking to some stupid whore is going to be the easiest thing in the world. Trust me.
wildchild11 10y ago
lift weights, jerk off much less, develop and take pride in some kind of skill/ thing that you are good at, and acquire testosterone
adamlikesprettygirls 10y ago
hm. those things sound good and well, but do they make me less scared and hesitant when i'm at the nightclub?
i ask not to be an ass, but from the observation that the relationship between your advised lifestyle changes and my nightclub behavior hasn't been exactly linear, so far
Adach 10y ago
it's living the alpha lifestyle that gives you confidence, if you're being the best man you can possibly be, you don't have to try and convince yourself to be less scared and hesitant, you simply will be less scared and hesitant
Ganadorf 10y ago
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but becoming less scared and hesitant anywhere takes practice. It's a skill like game or sports. You were obviously not born with it (the majority of people aren't), so you have to learn and practice.
1independentmale 10y ago
Go out, fuck up, don't give a fuck.
The only sure fire way to get good at something is to fail at it repeatedly.
TheRedderPill 10y ago
Very true. If you look, act and dress in a Euro-trash style, you are seen as the beta who dresses way too nice.
wazzym 10y ago
What's Euro-Trash Style? Give an example please.
considerthis215 10y ago
This guy http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/eurotrash2.jpg
TheRedderPill 10y ago
just google it, especially in google images, and you will get the idea
deadlee_ 10y ago
people who wear suits to clubs are colossal douchebags.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
colossal douchebags who are not standing by the bar lonely or scrounging for 5s at night's end.
the opposite also works: if you're at some hoity toity lounge or hotel bar in a place like Manhattan or la then a blazer and jeans is better
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I know I'm going to be downvoted into oblivion...
but my number one problem is that I get so nervous when I go out alone. Why go out alone you might ask? Well I'm new to town and don't know anyone. I always get really self conscious. it feels like no matter where I am everyone is in a group and I don't know how to just infiltrate groups.
I've been wanting to go to a club recently to try this stuff out. I'm in that beginner phase where the best thing I could do for myself is juts fail hard so I can build up a tolerance to it and stop being a big pussy. I just feel like it's so much harder to do it while you're alone. Am I the only person who feels like this?
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
going out alone is rough and I don't advise it. going to clubs alone is suicide.
make some female friends quickly.
bscutajar 10y ago
Go to a gym and make friends there. A lot of guys at the gym make for great bros to go to the club with because they are usually confident and social. Use this advice bro because I accidentally hit the back button and I had to look for your comment again just to post this.
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TRiPdonGame 10y ago
I feel ya, bro. I'm still getting over my nervousness, and I've been living in the same place for a few years now.
The hardest part about going alone is, well, actually DOING it. It's hard to get out the door when you have no guarantees that the night will bring you any good. It's also hard to hit the gym by yourself when you haven't done anything physical in years.
Have you heard of Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich"? It runs around $.99 on Amazon and B&N. The little book provides a pretty good guide to developing confidence and determination.
You might check out a few of the clubs and bars during their slower hours, too. Become a regular, and chat up the (not super busy) employees. After a few weeks, you can have a solid support network in the bar itself.
Aside from that, remember the RP tenets. Focus on your body and mind. Work out. Get fit. Dress well. Develop strong frame.
We have the ability to become awesome, you and I. Let's f***ing do it!
icumdollars 10y ago
Focus on making friends first. Avoid married or betas, though.
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cooltrip 10y ago
... for Alpha^TM
Anyway, I'll concede that no woman is comfortable with the idea that you are not sexually attracted to her body and her looks, even if you are NOT an Alpha, because if you are not attracted to her body, then you won't be actually attracted to her at all, since her body is the best thing she has to offer (also: if she isn't good even at something as easy and simple as being fucked by you, then she isn't good at anything).
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i duno about the smiling thing, i smile quite a lot when im out in public, and its genuine because im often in a good mood, its just how i feel.
most of the population, at least here in the UK, walk around with a dead expression on their faces, and many even with permanent worry lines on their faces, almost contorted sometimes, its bizarre .... so when you are the only person walking around smiling it really stands out, and people do notice it.
there are different kinds of smiles .... there is the forced one and the real one.
and honestly i dont like the "ive got attitude" dead serious look that a lot of guys use ....
ymmv but im a smiler
[deleted] 10y ago
Exactly this. I was on the tube a few days ago and I was acutely aware that I was the only guy with his head up and a natural smile. Makes a difference in the UK.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
I'm speaking for American Game. Every chump walks around smiling just because a woman says hello or is in their general direction.
If you're in a place where people never smile then smile a lot.
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This is dependent on the individual. Some people can smile all night and radiate energy and women want to be in their orbit. Some people look goofy or insecure when they smile. Some people look like serial killers if they're not talking or smiling. It's about self awareness and finding what works for you.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
most people aren better served rarely smiling, smirking some times, and leaving it at that.
trying to break down things on a micro level is too confusing for the audience.
Confluenced 10y ago
naw man, I smile all day when I get in the club, make eye contact, and walk over and introduce myself. People who aren't having a good time look autistic.
But my smile is a smirk, I am usually thinking "Look at this lil slut, she wants it".
Panzer_Geist 10y ago
I still disagree. I have friends who look like somebody farted in their face all the time, even in clubs, they never get laid. To be fair, they never approach. But they sure as hell don't have women approaching them either. One of them is a good looking Mexican guy who's got it all going for him. He's tall, dark (still white though), in excellent shape and has an impeccable sense of style. His problem is that he takes himself way too seriously.
In my experience spreading a fun vibe works much better. Picking up the hottest chick in the club is impossible if you're not having a good time. If I'm having a good night and I have my A-game on I'm walking around and talking to everyone, male and female. I don't even know what constitutes an approach anymore - I'm just being friendly. I'm joking and shooting the shit and people congregate around me because I'm fun to be around.
It's not a conscious effort of "trying to get laid" at that point - I'm just enjoying myself. Consequently these are the times when I bring home the kind of women who most men wouldn't even dare to approach.
Humankeg 10y ago
I took his smiling bit as "as soon as a woman looks at you, don't be a douche and give a big toothy grin". A nod and small smile when you lock eyes, or a simple thank you if she holds a door open for you or makes room for you at the bar.
I still make this same mistake occasionally when I am around girls I am into. As soon as a conversation starts, I find myself with a grin on my face and have to wipe it off. It looks foolish and just weird.
If the girl actually says/does something to merit a smile or laugh, go ahead and do it. If you are having a good time with your friends, enjoy your time and let it be known. But goofy smiles just to smile... no.
pleasedontknowme30 10y ago
Look at the RSD guys..they dress like slobs sometimes and get so much pussy
CarlsPudding 10y ago
This is going to sound racist as shit. It probably is. Fuck it, whatever. Not smiling works for black guys. Smiling works for white guys.
Your average white dude in the club with a scowl looks like he just sucks at life. Average black guy looks tough and enigmatic.
Average white dude with a smile looks fun and interesting. You see a black dude smiling, you assume he's gay.
TRiPdonGame 10y ago
Whitey in college here.
I find that the whole "amused mastery" thing works out for me, though admittedly I do more day and social-circle game than club or party.
There are a lot of smiles. There are a lot of smile-free faces. There are a lot of frowns. There are a lot of laughs.
Be Machiavellian. Test 'em out.
CptDefB 10y ago
Can confirm.
Am black.
Don't smile.
lucifa 10y ago
Same with being fat and bald.
Fat and bald black guy - hard, dangerous, dominant.
Fat and bald white guy - soft, weak, submissive.
Just picture one of each race stood in a corner trying to look intimidating.
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Johnny_Shades 10y ago
Exactly. Social white knights make it impossible to point out differences in races now. It's similar to how we point out differences in guy/girl behavior. Any differences we point out are either met with being called a misogynist or a racist.
Anderfail 10y ago
Actually it depends on how big you are as a white guy. Big and muscular? Don't smile. Have a body like a twink and low muscle tone? Smile.
Panzer_Geist 10y ago
I think there's a lot of truth to that.
I don't think us conventional looking white guys can pull of the "mysterious guy" game. We pretty much have to go with the "fun to be around" game. Which works great for me because I'm the type of person who pulls a lot of jokes. At the end of the day I care less about pussy and more about having a good time. Now if you're a white dude with piercing and what not then yeah maybe you can pull it off.
If you're pulling off the stone-face thing to get laid - meaning you actually are having a good time but you're hiding it - good, keep at it. I just think that it will seep into your actual mood and ACTUALLY make you bored and resentful. At that point you fail at life because you're not enjoying yourself.
At the end of the day, pussy is only one factor in an overall enjoyable life. It's an essential factor - but it's not everything. Again - the end goal is to have an enjoyable life. Hard work, pussy, building a legacy, good friendships etc. are all a part of it.
JudgeRedPill 10y ago
That's not really racist. It's just how women perceive different types of men. Not racist to point it out.
CarlsPudding 10y ago
Fair enough. Not just girls though. And it's not a hard and fast rule, but in general.
pleasedontknowme30 10y ago
White guy here...when I don't smile I look intimidating as fuck..but not sure if in a great way.
Pill_Red 10y ago
I have kind of the same problem. My mother says I look pissed when I don't smile.
pleasedontknowme30 10y ago
I have an older picture of me (pre working out, face is chubbier, etc..) and I think I look like a complete loser/dork. A friend of mine said I looked "intense" and someone he wouldn't want to fuck with...but now that I am stronger, ripped, and bigger, he really wouldn't want to fuck with me...LOL, despite I have never been in a fight my entire life.
deville05 10y ago
intimidating in a serial killer way. not great
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
chicks love serial killers.
Nieben 10y ago
Bitches love serial killers.
pleasedontknowme30 10y ago
No not that...but I notice when I am at the gym I am very focused and when I see my face in the mirror I don't look very approachable but I also am intense with my workouts and lifting...so conversation is the last thing on my mind.
deville05 10y ago
No one has a pleasant look in the gym. Its always shitting bricks
pleasedontknowme30 10y ago
OP, just curious but do you feel girls tend to go for any particular race of guys at this particular club?
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
rich. that's the race.
but white guys do best by a landslide.
GhostInTheRedPill 10y ago
Whatever race you are, as a man, you have to go for the girls.
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JudgeRedPill 10y ago
You nailed it, man. Assertiveness, assertiveness, assertiveness is key. If you look like a powerful guy doing shit, you will succeed. I used to be such a damn simp before getting redpilled. Women were not about it then, and I wasn't lacking on paper.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
the girls i pull in my suit whike working are vastly higher than me in a suit normally.
perceived dominance and status is crack to women
throvvvvavvvvay 10y ago
About the suit thing - I think this is highly dependent on the crowd and venue, but I agree that you should try to be one of the best and most appropriately dressed guys there.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
I'm aiming for the majority here. better to talk too little than too much better smile too little than too much better over dressed than under.
Nettom 10y ago
Absolutely, but putting on a suit in a venue were no one else is wearing a suit... might look even wierd, instead of good looking and appropriately dressed. You really need to have the 9 or 10 looks to pull this of.
throvvvvavvvvay 10y ago
9 or 10 style, not looks. I've seen some funky looking people that know how to dress and can pull off being the only suit in the room - I'm ballsy (and handsome) enough to do it but I'm not up to date enough on clothes right now so I know better.
Humankeg 10y ago
Exactly, don't be the douche that shows up in a hole in the wall in a suit at 11pm. Coming to a bar after work (which you wear a suit at) is fine.
CarlsPudding 10y ago
I've done this and pulled it off. Going from one local hole in the wall to another though. You HAVE to be comfortable in your own skin to pull it off, its the whole IDGAF attitude that makes the difference yet again.
It undoubtedly helped that I was a regular, but you can really pull off anything with the right attitude. If you look like you're wearing a suit because you just came from court/work/whatever and could give two shits, it'll work to your advantage. If you look like you're just doing it to get laid, you're fucked. And not the way you want to be.
spicy_fries 10y ago
Do you have a link to this data? Last I read it was Okcupid and not Tinder. I would like to see the Tinder data to also further confirm this ratio. Google searching didn't turn up anything.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
it actually popped up on my facebook. ill look to find it.
I remember because the girls I was with had this story about how they were all talking about the great guys they met recently on tinder. turns out it was the same guy. I sat there laughing.
JudgeRedPill 10y ago
Look up the top rated searches on /r/tinder. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone.
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CreepAcceptance 10y ago
I've not seen the tinder data but there is a similar conclusion from the Ok Cupid blog, in addition to a large amount of other analysis.
Medikamina 10y ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/23gvy0/its_hard_being_average_my_tinder_experiment/
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ManowaR1488 10y ago
Number 3 is subjective. I'm in the zone I'm always smiling and making jokes. You can do this without being "weak"
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
I write this for the majority. most men aren't the high energy types.
moresmarterthanyou 10y ago
i dunno what club u work for but i live in hollywood and do the whole table thing once a month (for free my friend is a promotor) the less u dress up the better. i would laugh my ass off at anyone wearing a suit, and i RARELY see anyone wearing a full suit dude. alot of the rest is good info but dress snappy. i wear v neck and jeans all day and hoodies and hats do great dude. less u care and dress up the better
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
that's because everyone is trying ti pretend they're important.
where I work everyone is important socially or financially.
LA clubs also blow for the most part
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
suits = slave uniform
the point was poignantly drilled into my skull during my last round of VIP security. I woke up at 5AM to go to work in a suit with body armor underneath.
The VIP was still in his bathrobe at 5PM.
If i'm doing out errands i'm in gym clothes. If i'm hanging out with friends I wear a form fitting dark v neck, jeans that actually fit, and converse shoes or boots. The dudes wandering around in suits are more than likely 30k millionaire tryhards and girls see right through that shit. No one likes a paper alpha. Save your suits for funerals and job interviews.
Killmelol12 10y ago
Protip for TRP: Don't take your dress tips from people who work security.
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mormon-virgin 10y ago
Yep..lived there for a while. Tourists would come to clubs wearing suits. In SoCal the dress code for guys is jeans, t-shirts, and muscles.
moresmarterthanyou 10y ago
yessir, workin on my muscle outfit now!
garlicextract 10y ago
OP how tall are you? Unfortunately women see vertically challenged men as lower in status, and #2 is more difficult as well since you're low in status, they will think you're "staring" at them instead of "noticing" them.
Ever notice how sometimes you'll see a fat, out of shape dude with a lot of pull? $1000 that the guy is tall. You'll NEVER see a short, fat, out of shape guy with pull. I've got friends who are either skinny as a pick or way out of shape (but 6' or taller) and have way better luck with women than our shorter friends (myself included). And I mean WAY better luck where it can't be attributed to handsomeness or whatnot.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
short guys are like fat guys: the suffering makes these men work real hard on their game.
and yes I know fat guys can lose weight and short men can't get tall but a lot imof famous men are short. Its not a coincidence.
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Confluenced 10y ago
Everything you said is pretty much what I have learned. There are some points where I think it isn't so black/white, like smiling.
As for a suit, I guess it depends on the place if they require button ups. I do the typical V cut with matching watch, shoes, belt and a sick ass necklace.
If its a fancy place, then I'll wear a vest, bitches love guys in vests. Vest will match the pants, black belt with black shoes shined and primed.
Being direct and sexual works, you gotta first get into the pack and make them laugh, say whats up to each one, then boom it's easy to isolate.
Good read man, good read.
HedRotPiliCeppers 10y ago
vest with a t-shirt is a bad look dude. V necks naturally accentuate braod shoulders, but a vest with a t-shirt is a fucking bad contradiction of formality level. Vests are to be worn as part of a tux or 3-piece suit.
Gold_Leaf_Initiative 10y ago
Vest can look very good with just a button up, a tie, and sleeves rolled up, no jacket
Confluenced 10y ago
lol wut? I never said I wear V necks with a vest. I said if I go to a fancy place, I prefer a vest (vs a suit). With matching dress pants and shiny black dress shoes.
HedRotPiliCeppers 10y ago
sorry bro, misunderstood your post.
Just because clothing is something I know a lot about, a suit consists of 2 parts, both pants and a jacket made from the same fabric (same color/weave etc.). Traditionally, a vest such as you're describing is not meant to be worn completely without the suit jacket, but its perfectly acceptable to take off your jacket when indoors, leaving a vest, shirt, and pants. Basically rules like that are really only relevant in very formal situations, so if you have a job interview, don't wear a vest without a jacket. In fact, I would not suggest a 3 piece suit for a job interview, but otherwise if it looks good and fits well, go for it.
Confluenced 10y ago
Hakuna matata, I didn't make it very clear from my writing.
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Humankeg 10y ago
Worked as a bouncer for years in Los Angeles. OP's advice is solid for sure. Other than his absolutes he used, such as "every woman" and so forth, I don't disagree with much he said.
You enjoy a different scene. That's fine. You probably aren't the 8/9/10 that op was speaking of. That's fine. Even if you are, you have a different taste than what these women op was speaking of have.
But as someone who has done the bar and club scene for a long time, there really isn't anything wrong with what was posted. I tend to believe there are women "leaders" in clubs, but for the most part, they are even looking for a man to take control.
You are a woman. Probably not a lesbian. So you have much less dating experience with a woman, or experience picking up women than someone like OP or even myself.
Generalizations are out there for a reason. They are generally true. I believe OP did a pretty poor job at stating this and using words like most, many, very likely, ect, instead of all, every, always. But that is just semantics.
Btw, you yourself have fallen to the same level of accusing everyone here to believe a certain idea, an idea which is just wrong. I do not believe woman are inteleectually inferior, and nor have I heard anyone here say so (though one person hinted at it the other day).
And as for TRP thinking that you think we will topple out of: I used to be a nice guy. And women walked all over me. I was more into pleasing them then myself. Now, I aim to please myself and now women enjoy being with me as I am my own man. TRP didn't teach me this though, but it does echo a lot of the things I have learned on my own and have been taught by other people and experiences. There are too, too many manipulative women out there that make hell (and easily can based on government and laws) for men financially, mentally, emotionally, and more. We share experiences and stories to help guide us to not being fragile little pussies, stand up for ourselves, be our own man, and enjoy life the way we wish. It does not mean be a shitty person, abusive, or a liar.
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How many women did you seduce on clubs? You can't give advice about something that's completely foreign to you.
TheSKSpecial 10y ago
All that effort just to say "not all women are like that".
Sherlock--Holmes 10y ago
As a man who clubbed-it-up in Miami Beach and all over South Florida through the 90's and 2000's, the post OP made nailed it. It was my experience that men who followed that recipe were successful most of the time. And not just with "whores" but with the above average, the sophisticated, and the academic women. There are always exceptions to every rule, especially when it comes to human behavior. His encapsulates the vast majority, yours is the rare exception. Don't get them confused.
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Sigh
So much fail, so little time
Ace-of-Spades88 10y ago
The lack of proper capitalization...so...horrifying.
adayattheoffice2 10y ago
DAMN GIRL
I think this place has some redeeming qualities, but there is definitely a lot of stupidity and ignorance around here and this was a damn fine ass handing.
(cue chorus of "LOL white knight!!!" comments hurled in my direction)
TheSKSpecial 10y ago
You do realize she's not going to fuck you just because you gave her a compliment, right?
adayattheoffice2 10y ago
I think it's sad and pathetic that you see every interaction through the lens of "will this get me laid or not"? I guess it makes sense if you are a thirsty for sex and are preoccupied with it the way a starving person would be preoccupied with food. Surely you can appreciate, however, that where food is plentiful, people don't care so much about it. I have a girlfriend that I'm very happy with and I'm very sexually satisfied. Maybe you will have this one day, and then you will realize that not every interaction with the opposite sex has to be geared towards increasing the likelihood of sex.
TheSKSpecial 10y ago
-Implies I'm alone
-Holier-than-thou posturing as if you're "above" thinking about sex
All you needed to do was call me a virgin, a neckbeard, or say something about patriarchy and you'd hit the White Knight trifecta. Her wanting to fuck you is still not happening, though.
A question, Sir Galahad: if you have a girlfriend and you're satisfied...why even bother reading TRP? Why would you be reading a report on nightclubs?
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
'most of your advice is balanced perilously on faulty premises. here we see the sneaky "hasty generalization'
While I agree with your assessment of night clubs and the people who inhabit them you're generalization of this subreddit and the people contained therein are also assumed on faulty premises.
The Red Pill, when you get to it isn't about scoring 'mad pussy', dark triad machiavellian plots, it's about identifying, avoiding, and defeating the many pitfalls and wealth redistribution traps society has devised for men to fall into - of which has said in the bible, they are legion, for they are many. It's about becoming a man in a world where single mothers, manipulating media agendas, and spinelessness rule supreme.
52576078 10y ago
Damn, the original comment has been deleted. What did it say?
agirlsomewhere 10y ago
look, any generalization is inherently flawed because there are always exceptions. but i CAN make a generalization of a fairly specific subreddit. (a comparable logical fallacy to the one OP made would be to read this subreddit, then make a generalization of all internet users.)
CptDefB 10y ago
A fairly specific subreddit full of anonymous people on the internet. :/
You can't bash a generalization for being faulty, then make one that's faulty. Well, I guess you already have, but I don't recommend it as regular practice.
edit: at first I didn't even read it, then I saw the almost accurate logical fallacy talk, and then read it... I shouldn't have.
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
A fairly specific subreddit that has people from all works of life. We have numerous military vets, college athletes, video game shut in nerds, blue collar joes, white collar cubicle cattle, bouncers, and all sorts of men from all walks of life on this sub reddit that are willing to sit down and share their unique viewpoints on the subject of masculinity, which is anything but concrete and specific differs wildly from who you to talk to.
As the other poster said you can't bash a generalization for having faults, then make one that contains just as many holes in it. As Red Beard said 'He who is slow to believe anything is very wise, for the belief in one false principle is the root of all un-wisdom'. You can't just stroll in here, read one post, then go 'AH HA, I have these rascals figured out'.
This subreddit has an infamous and notorious reputation on the internet because it wipes away the pretty lies for the ugly truth, so I think you came in here with a certain agenda in mind.
agirlsomewhere 10y ago
i'm making my generalization of this subreddit on the content of the posts i've read in the past month, plus the "required reading" as listed by the sub. am i wrong to conclude that this subreddit GENERALLY regards women as being intellectually inferior, status-seeking and promiscuous? because i have been here for a while and have read very little to the contrary. please correct me if i'm wrong, as i would really prefer to be.
Blood_Vaults 10y ago
I can say for sure some users of this sub reddit do indeed regard women in such a manner, and they're not exactly wrong if you take into consideration the values of many American women. I've met women that had zero hobbies outside of watching TV, looking at pictures of cats on the internet while they're supposed to be working, and go home with a different guy every friday night after the bar/club without fail.
I've also met women that speak multiple languages, have unique hobbies and talents, and are very feminine and loving to be around. I'm sure all but the most puritanical and bitter users of this sub reddit agree will agree with this and can back up my anecdote.
You're focusing on the negative outliers of this sub reddit i.e. over the top misogyny, brohard pussy fucking schemes and what not. The core of this sub reddit is a group of disenfranchised men that have been lied to all of our lives reclaiming our masculinity and teaching others to do the same. This is essentially a self-help and rehab group for men who grew up without fathers, were babied by the public education, betrayed by the state's wealth redistribution schemes and grew up believing the Disney fairytales that 'being yourself' is good enough and what not so the bitter and anger will be unavoidable.
Generalizations are a powerful tool of observation and can be very useful, but they're not the end all and if you rely on them completely you'll be putting yourself at a disadvantage sometimes you can't use the spread of a shotgun when the precision of a scalpel is needed to get the job done.
agirlsomewhere 10y ago
i can appreciate that. the misogynistic shit sticks out for me because i'm a woman, so when we read the same thread i am much more likely to notice and absorb the sexist statements, whereas you're more willing to view them as outliers and move on. legit point. i also realized as i was posting that people were probably going to point out the generalization i made.. should have worked around it but it's 3am. so... touche.
for the record, the red-pill you describe is a lot more interesting to me than the red-pill i've made myself familiar with. i probably won't stick around this sub for very long, as it's not exactly my demographic.. but i will try to be more mindful of the positives you mentioned.
i think both men AND women were done a disservice by the popular gender-neutral approach that our parents/teachers/media have propagated in the past few decades. from the moment we differentiate in utero, men and women develop gender-specific (often complementary) traits, strengths, weaknesses, and biological imperatives. these differences carry us through life, lead us to seek different kinds of stimulation and pleasure, and ultimately lead us back to one another. the differences are fascinating and not to be underestimated. they also present us with very different challenges in this world, and i agree that men are given less of a voice in this culture to identify as victims of the system than women are.
there's something to be said for discovering and strengthening the attributes that make us valuable to the opposite sex and powerful in our own lives. i was raised in a very blue-pill household (mother is a judge, father is a musician) and my brother and i were essentially treated as a genderless unit. i had to teach myself how to dress and wear makeup, because my mom found those things to be incredibly trivial. it wasn't until i got to high school and "grew into my looks" that i realized how powerful and exciting female beauty can be. i got boyfriends even though my mother thought girls who dated young were stupid, and i was nominated to prom and homecoming court which she openly scoffed. i had to actively suppress my conditioning as a gender-free being and seize my identity and sexuality as a female in spite of it.
it's a shame that our culture is unable to recognize the differences between the genders without also ascribing status to those differences. i think the message of finding power and strengthening your positive gender-specific attributes is important, but it gets lost in divisive rhetoric. so, to bring this back to OP... a list of things you can do to attract girls at a club would be just as useful without the negative speech attached to the girls themselves (they are all followers who want to be objectified). i know, i know, i'm not the target audience here.. but aside from being personally insulted, that kind of rhetoric doesn't seem to serve a real purpose? the end.
52576078 10y ago
Actually, your story sounds interesting. I hope you stick around. I agree there is often a divisive tone, but show me somewhere on the internet that there isn't?
jobs33ker 10y ago
The fact that you come on here to stir the pot and the ONLY real flaw you can point out in this post (nevermind RP as a whole) is "GUIZE, GENERALIZING IS BAD, MMKAy!?" yet you agree with the generalizations made, and throw in plenty of your own, is testament to your solipsistic worldview. The strange part is, you are obviously intelligent. You came here because you probably read somewhere on reddit, probably on a comment thread to some retarded advice animals meme, about how "horrible" we are. Meaning you came here with an agenda, and pre-conceived ideas as to what we are all about. Oh, was that an 'unfair assumption'? Sure it was, but we both know I'm right. You and all the other mainstream reddit browsing cattle need to grow out of the idea that nobody can "offend" anyone else with their "privileged generalizations", because guess what, they exist for a reason. And they are true most of the time.
The above is correct, but for the wrong reasons. The divisive rhetoric comes from your camp, not ours. RP men seek to only navigate the currents that have been put in place by the forces and influence that you seem to support, it is not of our own doing.
Again, I just want to point out that I find it strange that someone who is obviously intelligent, and articulate would comment on this post JUST to point out that we're "painting with broad strokes". Never mind the validity of that which is discussed here, nevermind that you actually agree with much of what has been said about the denizens of the nightclub scene, but since you've been taught that "generalizations are BEEYAADDDDDD" you feel like you're doing something "good" by pointing this mundane bullshit out. Think for your damn self, and stop towing the party line that's obviously been spoon fed to you by some leftist, man-hating, feminist rat.
52576078 10y ago
Looks like she got banned anyway, so there won't be any more dialog. Do mods not understand, that when you ban dissenting voices, that you end up with an echo chamber? There has to be open discussion between all points of view.