I do nofap because the last time I got my cock sucked it was close to impossible for me to nut, I literally had to think about that last clip I saw of Jynx Maze getting her ass banged in order for me to cum. And that's when I started taking this whole Nofap thing seriously.

downvoting me doesn't change the truth

NoFap is a still a cult.

Some ideology has actually managed to convince guys on here that not touching their junk will give them super powers.

Now they can desperately sign their lives away in the hopes getting some used up n=30+, blue hair, single mom, ,fat and proud, rageaholic feminist poon.

Your male sexuality has been successfully pathologized and owned by the femocracy. It's like "one flew over over the cuckoos nest", except nurse ratched doesn't need to bother scheduling the lobotomy.

You're just rationalizing reasons to touch yourself. It's degrading and damaging to your soul. Also disgusting.

Get yourself a plate/gf.

I'll weigh in here, even if it gets buried underneath a mountain of replies.

I've done nofap dozens of times. The longest I've gone is just under a year, I've done two lots of three months and I've done miscellaneous lots ranging from a few days to a few months. I've done the Stalin method (I got it from old school fastseduction for those who remember that lol) where you masturbate to the brink then stop daily. I found with that method, the ramp up in effects is far, far faster. I'd be so horny I'd get hard from eye contact sometimes... the thing with doing it though is I can't go too long, one or two denials to the max, otherwise I get ED. Also it takes ages. The normal method peaks around 7-10 days, the Stalin method gets to the same level in 3-4 and IME, doesn't fall off as dramatically. From normal method I'd lose my sex drive after a month or two, but Stalin method seemed to stave that off a bit.

Damn that's a terrible name...

I've also read all of the research on it (that I've found) mostly after I stopped doing it. The study everyone cites about the 7th day spike in testosterone is likely bullshit. The authors said themselves it was probably a measurement error- I'm almost certain it's in the discussion of that paper but it might be in the reply they made in a journal, it's been two years since I've read these. The other studies show far larger and more consistent spikes after ejaculation than abstaining. I'd say the reason to abstain from jacking it is self control, not actually spiking your testosterone. There are way better ways to do that.

Having said that, I definitely feel more masculine when not masturbating. I think there are other unstudied benefits. Also, hormonally, the decrease in prolactin is probably huge and definitely helps ED.

Also for the record, I have had ED with girl rarely, tonight actually. I had my main girl over last night and gave me like 4-5 blowjobs, then had a date tonight and could barely get it up. The other times were either extreme sleep deprivation, being way too drunk or having ejaculated too many times int he last few days.

No fap is for hardcore addicts. People that watch porn for hours a day everyday, fap multiple times a day every day. The problem is all men seem to think they need no fap because they think their sexual appetite is somehow wrong when in fact it's normal.

I could ask the entire male population how many days out of the week would you want to get laid I can assure you 95 percent would say seven.

You ask if there is a benifit to no fap and I say for the average male no, there isn't one because once you get to day seven you lose your ability to focus in things that should be routine. You start looking at all women (even the ugly ones) as potential gain. I've done no fap and to tell you the truth it's a placebo effect past a week or two. There's no energy boost, no mental clarity, etc. After 7 days your body is in fuck mode and in my experiences when you are in fuck mode you tend to make mistakes that can last a minimum of 18 years, in more sever cases life.

No fap should be used to recharge your battery and nothing more. If you tell me that you are on day 3450 of no fap then you're telling me you have been castrated and are now a unic . There are a few good ways to cut down on porn or masturbation, going cold turkey is probably the most unhealthy.

Yes, there is. https://redmalehummingbird.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/masturbation-24-liters-of-cum/

I am trying to say this for a long time already. Excessive masturbation and ejaculation affects some people more than others- usually those who have tendency to addictions or come from a stressful childhoods, our brain plasticity really can differ due to this.

Also current Western science still does not know a lot a lot of things and how everything is connected, sometimes something just opposes mainstream science and should be studied in other ways.

If you feel you have problems with this and feel that you benefited with stopping this addiction, you will know it for yourself and you won't need to convince anyone.

I, myself, was somewhere in the middle, certainly got a problem with addiction to porn and orgasms (dopamine rushes) but also had a medium-long streak with mixing sex, drugs and porn in the past ,too. (something that a lot of young men are doing nowadays anyway, eh?) and it certainly affected my energy levels. There are men out there who would probably kill me just by saying this and try to force me to believe that modern science does not show any correlation (YET!) - what can I do? It's just their way, they aren't able to see that someone can have no problems with this, and others can.

Whats the most important thing is that I realized how it works and figured out how to heal myself.

PS. Eastern science such as Ancient Chinese Medicine, Tantra , Yogic Sciences etc are hundreds of years older than Western Science and they all preach about the importance of preserving your own seed and not indulging into excessive ejaculations. Why would they if they wasn't onto something?

Moderation is a key with everything. 3 times per day every day for 20 years certainly isn't ''moderation'', and 2 minutes in front of a screen has nothing to do with having a sex with a woman. Go figure.

I just can't wrap my head around why some men call us liars or just don't want to believe us when we say that yes, for some men it matters a lot. It hurts so much to believe that both options might be true and it all depends on how your past life (childhood, young adulthood, experiences, addictions , behaviors, habits etc etc ) shaped you and your brain? How this is even going to be tested by "modern western science" if they haven't even started to look at our bodies holistically, not even mentioning something like our environment. Everything matters!

ps2. Even when I am reading those comments my brain somehow produces some scenes from porn that I've watched in the past - if that doesn't prove brain plasticity and habitual addiction patterns then I don't know what will...

Why go past 7 days? Its called rewiring your brain, which takes much longer than 7 days.

I don't get this whole nofap thing. I watch porn and fap daily, but when I see an average looking girl in real life I still get horny and turned on as fuck. Could be that I'm still a virgin.

For me it was bc after the "flat line" i just didnt want to lose that "edge" and wait another 7 days to peak. But you diet 7 days a week too, i thought i was the only one that did that?

No Fap is a Cult.

The more it doesn't work, the more convinced they become that touching their junk(too much, not enough, wrong way) is their problem.

It's a non-religious rebranding of the shaming of your sexuality. I've known no-fappers and they'll always talk about how they've relapse and felt disgusted with themselves, that's a psychological hang up, nothing to do with how their prostate and dopamine system functions and some of the other junk science that gets peddled along with it.

Because the shame, forbidden act, relapse, repent cycle is so psychologically intense it appeals to a certain mentality. If shit ain't working out, well maybe you fucked up in your don't jerk it cycle. So it's a easy grab-bag excuse for whatever other failures and problems they aren't addressing. NoFap theories tend to increase complexity with time.

From a sexual strategy standpoint not being allowed to jerk it when there isn't a woman available to you has a number of negative consequences and implications. 1) You are ashamed of your own parts and your sexuality is effectively owned and managed by external forces. Most mothers will tell their "little boys" not to to do bad stuff and touch themselves down there. The church tells you to "be pure". Either you graduate to adult sexuality or you continue to have womenkind or superstitious stories own your sexuality. 2) You are susceptible to making stupid, life altering or ending or debilitating choices because you are physically desperate . If you'll do anything for pussy because it's your only outlet or release, you are easy to control and enslave.

From a health and sexual performance standpoint, the evidence going back as far as the 50s is strongly weighted towards masturbation being good for you. 1) Prostate Health 2) Ejaculatory ans Sexual Control 3) Vascular, Pelvic Floor and Penile Health, 4) Psychological well being (related to control)

Jerk off as you like it, If you want to hold off as an experiment in self-control, that's great, if you're edging and avoiding ejaculation for a few weeks as part of some sort of tantric focus exercise that's great. But end the Shame cycle.

It's just occured to me that part of the appeal of NoFap is that it's basically tantric edging without the actual touching your penis part.

So they keep "building up their sexual energy" as they get psychologically excited but have to refrain from touching.

The difference being that in tantric practice, either the semen is released in coitus or as a more intense and spiritual scheduled orgasm when they decide to masturbate or have sex. You can be arroused, and be sexual and tactile then choose not to orgasm. That teaches discipline.

NoFaping you just basically just edge all day long until you "lapse" and feel ashamed of yourself till next time.

Finally, a post in this sub to which I can contribute.

Long time Fapstronaut here. As I understand it, the reason the NoFap subreddit recommends going past the 7 day mark is that MOST MEN of the internet generation have been HOPELESSLY ADDICTED to porn and masturbation their entire lives and DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. I certainly was. Ever since I discovered masturbation at age 13, I did it practically every day, sometimes twice a day, until age 23. I never even fathomed it could be a problem whatsoever, since the mainstream (read: bluepill) myth is that "masturbation is normal and healthy". I had no clue at all until I tried to stop.

The recommendation is 90 days for a reboot. My first try, I lasted 2 days. It was excruciating! I simply could not stop! It took many, many tries to get to 90 days. After a 7 day streak, I feel amazing. I can vouch for all the benefits described on the NoFap sub, it was so dramatic to a lifetime addict that it really did feel like "superpowers". After every relapse, I feel like utter shit. It is as clear as night and day. Even with this knowledge, my scumbag addict brain tries every trick in the book to hamster me into fapping, even to this day.

So yes, the benefits peak around 7 to 14 days. But like an alcoholic, for a lifetime addict (read: most men of the internet age) total abstinence is the only way to go. When I fall off the wagon, I binge and it can take weeks to get back on track and get a streak going again.

Absolutely recommend NoFap 90 day reboot to any man that watches porn. If you don't believe me, try it, come back and tell me I'm full of shit. You won't.

There is a reason successful people abstain from sex/masturbation for long periods of time. This is know since antiquity, until Freud came and said that by redirecting libidinal components/energy to other tasks, you can gain more energy (paraphrasing "Civilization and its discontents).

Is NoFap worth it if you are not addicted? Probably, if you do it once every 7 days. But that has nothing to do with NoFap itself, and everything to do with orgasm frequency; a fact that is well documented in peer-reviewed literature.

If you are addicted however, like I was, then it is something that should become a lifestyle. I will probably get ripped apart, but I don't care. I started masturbating during high school to pure fantasy. At 18 I got a computer and started using porn. Pretty vanilla stuff - back then Pamela's sex tape was all the rave. Then kazaa came and I started downloading like mad. Again vanilla stuff. During university, my daily routine was to study, then masturbate 2-3 times a day, to increasingly more hardcore porn. Went through lesbian for starters, milfs, gangbangs with one woman, orgies and kept on going and going. I reached incest (fake). Kept on going. At some point, none of this would make me hard enough. So one fateful day, by accident I clicked on a shemale video. That was the start of the fall. The ratio of "normal" to shemale porn kept on getting smaller and smaller, until by the time I went to graduate school it was practically 0. What was terrifying, was that I deeply hated doing it, but my heart was racing knowing I was doing something that was against my own values. Fear, anxiety and disgust while I was doing it, magnified by dopamine spikes.

At some point, about a year ago I stumbled upon the most vile category of porn, in my view, which I will not name. It was designed to try and make the user think he is a woman. That was the last straw. My inner male awoke and said this is enough; I am not going down that road. I refuse to become a faggot. I refuse to spend my time injecting my mind with poison. I just refuse to be that zombie. This is not how I was raised by my father. This is not how I was until my early manhood. I used to walk around half mast during high school and early college, just by merely looking at an exposed thigh.

So since the start of the year, I have gone full monk. Stopped porn, stopped masturbating, stopped playing games, don't read news, devoured everything on red pill, meditate for 1 hour a day, go to the gym 6 days a week for an hour and 2 hours on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Discarded all the poisonous people from my life (Law #10) and started hanging out with alphas exclusively. Have I had success with women during this time? No, because I choose not to pursue them and waste time, at least for a few months. I chose to forge stronger male friendships, work on lifting and expand my knowledge. Every day I die, every day I am reborn; I contemplate the fact that I will die and erased from this world every single day. TRP for me, was the glue that put all these things together. NoFap was just a large piece of the puzzle.

So is NoFap worth it? For ME totally. Not as a challenge, but as a lifestyle. No superpowers, none of that crap. What it has done is that it allowed me to reconnect with how I used to be before porn entered my life. Sharpened both my memory (e.g. I now remember stuff from when I was 4 years old and I am 27 now) and resolve. I redirected the 2 hours I was spending every day, to work and the gym. I had no physical issues (PIED, ED) etc. so I cannot comment on that. What I can attest to however, is the fact that the fetish train has no brakes. NoFap was the roadblock that stopped its advance. I refuse to remove that roadblock.

Don't think that anyone will even read this with 200 comments on this thread, but for whoever had the patience, do yourself a favor and stop porn completely. Remove that poison from your life; it's too short to waste it watching other people having sex.

God bless

You start feeling the benefits after like 7 days in. Two to three weeks in, your brain is craving release so much you hit the so called flatline. Month in, the flatline is over. Here comes the massive increase in overal energy and what I have noticed the most: aggressivness. See, I never was an aggressive guy that was looking for a trouble on every corner, but lord, most of the days on second month I felt like I could fight a fucking grizzly or two at any moment. Then I relapsed and am unable to get back on track. It's just too strong of an addiction to beat. Will never stop trying though.

It's not just nofap. A lot of those dudes were addicted to porn on levels unheard of. It's for them to get off porn addiction and develop healthy sexual desires. Semen retention is a different story. I practice it and only release on suitable women. I've gone months without sexual release. I'm not driven by sex it doesn't control me and I don't live for fucking bitches like 99% of the men do. You want success? You want ambition beyond belief? You want to feel like a fucking God? Go a month without sex or fapping. I bet you won't succeed. I'm 28 and been practicing for nearly a decade. I'm not going to sit here and brag but I'll tell you this practice has been the root of my success.

I tell you right now on this thread. Video games, TV shows, social media, alcohol, womanizing and porn are the reason most men are failures and the reason why WOMEN RUN SHIT!

Men live for some simple pleasures and cheap thrills. Most of these are available on their fucking phones. Competition is none!

In a natural setting, wouldn't we be having sex more frequently? Since civilized society prevents that, doesn't masturbation take the place of that sexual activity? Also, in a lot of the justifications I read, there is a sort of fantasy scenario of the benefits and an undercurrent of suppressed religious conditioning. As if NoFap makes us "cleaner."

Since 12 I had been fapping to porn 1-3 times a day . Just like with any addiction , I needed more and more dopamine . So I watched more and more extreme porn . Fast forward to 18 , I couldn't get it up when it was time to fuck . Like , it was limp and useless . Time and time again , nothing worked . I googled bout this shit . I stopped watching porn for 8 months . Then I could have sex 3 times a day . About 1.5 years from then , I relapsed to Porn and kept going for about a week or so . As a result , I had a little difficulty getting it up . For the oncoming month . Now about 2 years later , I can say that I am absolutely terrified of Porn and Masturbation . For a recovering addict such as me , I can't even imagine fapping to Porn again . I wouldn't evenrisk fapping without it , although I think it wouldn't be detrimental to my dick health . Now I enjoy sex , and don't fantasize to fucked up shit .

I believe everyone should try it . It is a cuck situation I mean . Kinda . You are watching a man fuck a woman in front of your eyes ....

I didn't go into details and the chronology I provided may not be accurate , cause I am too bored to explain this for the 5000th time . But the facts speak for themselves . For someone not as addicted and fucked up as me , then the results will be not as important .

I once tried this, and I went for 60 days. I made a promise that I wouldn't masturbate until a hand that was not my own touched my dick. (It was about 60 days until that happened, but that story is for later.)

I keep seeing all of these things about how it makes you feel better or gives you a boost. I can tell you that I felt none of these things; if anything, I felt worse. After a fortnight, I started noticing my focus slipping. Not just to sex, but to other, random things that I would not have normally allowed my mind to stray to. After a month, there was a constant fog in my mind, subtly misdirecting my thoughts and making it harder still to focus on tasks at hand. I had seen no marked increase in physical strengths or endurance, none that could not be more easily explained as my already-entrenched workout routine.
Near the two-month mark, I found myself watching quite a lot, and had a hard time focussing on work, even with the self-discipline from years of martial arts. After I was free from my vow, not by my own hand, I was free of this haze, and I felt better than I had for quite a while. I considered how I had been for the past two months, and realised that whatever was being told on message boards and Reddit, it was not true for my case and my body. I began only doing it when the mood struck me, making no effort to keep to a schedule or routine. I made no conscious attempt to limit it or encourage it. And I found that I felt best when I listened to my body. There are some days where I do not masturbate; there are some days when I do so once. There are the occasional days when I do so more than once, but those are rare. I have found that since I began listening to my body, my mind is clearer and I am able to focus more clearly than before. My moods have stabilised, and I am able to keep my emotions under discipline.

I understand that everyone's body is different; I simply seek to share my experience and to remind you to listen to your body and to respect what it tells you.

Go in peace.

For someone addicted/desensitized by porn to the point it's affecting their "real" sex life, I can see the point of no-fap. Seems that they would get the same benefit by just cutting out the porn, but it's a little bit like a recovering alcoholic - don't go to a bar if you're trying not to drink.

However, porn aside, couldn't the same benefits be achieved in other ways?

For example, zinc deficiency lowers testosterone. Semen is a prime way to lose zinc, along with other essential minerals. Most people don't get enough zinc, or other minerals, through their diet. In those cases, I can see why strict no-fap helps - biological and nutritional deficiencies being gradually corrected over hundreds of days, resulting in higher testosterone and balanced estrogen levels, resulting in higher drive and mental clarity etc.

For those who aren't nutritionally deficient, e.g you supplement with zinc because you lift weights, no-fap probably doesn't have the magical powers some experience. Personally it just puts me into irritable caveman mode and I can't accomplish anything, and get way too socially aggressive.

Or if low libido is a problem, why not just supplement with libido boosters e.g maca or ashgwanda/KSM-66? Best of both worlds.

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Just a clarification that needs to be done: yes, there's an increase in testosterone on day 7, but it has zero effect on muscle building as it is not stable, it lasts very little. The reasons to jerk off less are many and solid, but muscle building is not one of them.

in our society a lot of young dudes pretty much grow up with porn in their lives, and it warps them in a way that isn't natural. think of it as like a person who grows up taking some sort of drug their entire life, or someone who's been eating a certain type of junk food or soda all their life. usually an addict has to give that thing up forever otherwise risk a relapse, and there are dudes who believe the same thing with porn. i did a long nofap, like almost a year, and eventually made the decision to end it, and i actually kinda enjoy watching some wierd pornos with my girl. on the other hand experiencing nofap was one of the best thing i did for myself and it really is recommended for anyone new to trp to get their hands off their dick and out in the real world doing real stuff.

ultimately you decide for yourself what is worth it and what is not worth it. try it and find out, then share with others what you've learned. some people don't see any point in nofap even having tried it, some dudes used it to give themselves that edge they need to push themselves in things since you tend to lose motivation after cumming, then there are dudes who have been porn addicts who spent a lot of their free time just jerking it and can't even get it hard when they're with a real woman cuz they're that stuck in a fantasy world and have that much anxiety.

But Wait!!!

It is true that we experience a test spike about 7 days in. This is completely temporary, and those levels will return to normal by the 8th day... really, test itself is not whats important here. Whats important is its ability to express itself via androgen receptors in the brain and body.

Long time addicts to porn and other dopaminergic/serotinergic reward behaviors experience significant downregulation in androgen receptivity and upregulation in estrogen receptivity. Androgen receptors, if you don't already know, are responsible for testosterone expression... If you have no androgen receptivity, or if your receptors are downregulated from porn or drug use, your testosterone will have no means of expressing itself.

Commenting to start discussion here rather than share RP logic. Am I just one of the rare few that arent addicted to porn and wanking? I started at 13 too but since age 16 or so I only feel I want to every few days, and I've never really felt I NEED to except in certain circumstances (dancing with a girl all night and going home by myself etc). Going 7 days without fapping wouldnt be a problem - I do it quite often.

Maybe I am just more sensitive to testosterone so need less of it or just have naturally lower levels than most of you guys - doesn't affect my motivation or character though.

I've found that week 1 is when it spikes and by week 2 nothing changes for me passed that. Did this in comparison to not fapping for months back to back (30 days). Left a journal explaining how I felt. Each month was the same. By day 7 I felt great and energized and horny often. By day 15 it had "leveled" and I could go in stride. There was no more changes passed that for me.

I understand it, but good luck in trying to hold this 7-Day-Cycle.

Look up for "Chaser Effect" for more information

The only time that I went NoFa was when I was at college...and that was mainly because you don't want someone walking in on you...cause you know that is going to spread. The thing is that you just have to keep yourself busy...and stay off of the computer.

I ve made extensive experiments on myself, for science of course, on the topic of nofap.

When you get off with porn, two things happen. First you loose that "magic" juice that drives your engines. Second, you overload your reward system so much that it becomes numb.

7 days is about the first peak where you feel those so called super powers. Around that time you feel great, feel the energy pumping thru your veins. Women act differently around you. Than in 3 or 4 weeks another high comes. This is more intense and powerful than the first one. But this time is is almost too much to handle.

As other things in life everything should be done under moderation. So holding your domain between 7-14 days should be optimal.

But porn is another story, you should get rid of that no matter what

Well for men who had less than 21 orgasms in a month they ran the risk of 33% higher prostate cancer.

So you have to out weigh the risk vs the rewards. If you are hooked on porn you are likely wanking your monkey to a woman. A woman is trapping you in sin.

So ultimately if you became an asexual you would not watch porn, wank your monkey to yourself while thinking of nothing but yourself so as to remove lust of other beings towards your sexual desire. But, realistically when would that be possible? We like what we like, are brains are just programmed that way.

So, not watching porn is good, but it isn't wrong either. I am neutral on the subject because anyone from any culture, class, religion, race or group could have porn addictions. I don't want to judge what is right or wrong on this subject.

Because if we judge each other in a 20-30 years many men will start having high risk cancer. Or they will have to go back to the plantation I don't see a good alternative.

So the risks are Option 1) You do porn your still hooked on flesh, you grow further away from God, eventually you will tire of your hand and go play in the real world. One day in the future you will be hooked for child support or something like that. Porn is a road that leads back to the plantation.

Option 2) You swear off all flesh, you may get cancer in your balls. At least you have a better chance of going to heaven though right? If this is your path, maybe as an asexual. I would suggest you see your doctor and let him know. He will likely have you do regular visits with him to test your prostate because you are abnormally not ejaculating.

Option 3) Expatriation- Find yourself a country with better laws that protect men from divorce rape laws.

So yeah, I just don't see a good option either way to be honest. We shouldn't judge, that is my opinion.

BTW here a video of the subject of Porn. There was a guy making fun of people in the manosphere for not marrying women and breeding white people because they were sexual deviants to busy masturbating at home. https://youtu.be/g7gz-BJ3fUE

You use the loop hole of actually having sex.

I tried it. I cannot go over 30ish days, unless I have a woman to smash, in which case it's easy.
I do see some positive effects, the one I like the most is an increase in confidence, and I am in the process of cutting porn completely out. I see some benefits for myself, so I will keep at it.

It wasn't until around day 14 that I began to see different results. I stopped "needing", having urges. They came under control and I found myself having deeper, more relaxed conversations with girls.

Why? At a guess I'd say it's because I no longer had the constant cycle of sexual gratification/hunger going on. With sex not forefront on my mind, my being "on the prowl" wasn't distracting me.

Find ways to stay busy to keep the noFap going. Video games, going out with friends, exercise (highly recommended, but you'll also get a bit of a testosterone surge).

tl;dr - The longer you go without, the less you need it.

How about you fuck a girl every 7 days?

Porn is a pacifier. Once you've acquired the necessary knowledge, it's time to trash it.

NoFap and Fapstronauts are pathetic. Literally the lowest common denominator. They are so incredible weak willed that they cannot make it more than a few days without relapsing, and then they go and make a feel good post about how they failed but will not quit because they are so strong and determined! They are literally a slave to their physical urges, truly, truly, pathetic.

With that being said I support No Porn, and I think the idea of not fapping may be good for some people, but if that's the path you chose to follow, avoid that subreddit like the plague.

EDIT: For all of those downvoting me, have fun justifying your 10th relapse.

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7-9 days seems best for me. After that I start feeling the depression. I think the main point is to avoid porn, not fapping altogether

A man should never make any major decision unless he's busted a nut in the last 20 minutes. If I go a week without release I cant think as clearly in regards to women. Nothing against nofap but its not for me. I find that lifting heavy (wendler 5/3/1) and eating well give me the same amount of drive as taking time off fapping without the sides.

At around 7 days you want to be where women can see you, and you want to have sex with those women. If, let's say, you fap on a Sunday, maybe on Tuesday you'll be at a party and will want to get sexy, but it's only 3 days since you last ejaculated. Best is just not to fap at all and you're ready to go more often.

Remember the 7 day theory is not just about masturbation, it's about all ejaculation. Although, masturbation does emasculate more than person sex, and internet porn odd highly addictive, both deplete testosterone equally.

Also the hardline is a temporary stage that hits nofap men after a few weeks of abstinence. It goes away after a day or two. It's part of the detox, probably the brain getting used to less dopamine.

So skimming through most of the comments and I can come up with a conclusion that most people DO benefit from a 3-7+day period of abstinence.

There were one or two who did not feel the benefit and even felt it being a negative in the long term (60+ days).

So in essence, it stands to good reason that one tries NoFap due to the overwhelming majority of TRP users finding it has a net positive affect on their lives through metrics such as mood, libido, focus, etc.
It's of course a good idea that one listens to their own body when testing NoFap, as everyone is different so therefore everyone should to some extent act differently.
For example, one may reset quicker than others, other longer than others. For Joe it may be 10 days, for Fabrizio it might be 5 days. Experiment, see what works for YOU and repeat.

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Is it the same that my wife and I have sex once a weak, bust she blows me every day and often twice a day. Am I still dopamine addicted? I don't really enjoy the intercourse much anymore. Is this weird?

I don't know, man. I'm on day 3 and almost fucking my own pillow. 80% of the conversations that I have with my plates/girl friends end up getting sexual. I hold eye contact with every girl that pass by me.

All I can say for now is that I'm getting a few more over the shoulder looks than usual, and that I had a killer training session at the gym today.

Maybe those things aren't related to NoFap, maybe I just dressed better this week and rested well for my training.

Let's see what the next 4 days are going to be like.

I'd agree with your perspective on it OP. Just have at it once a week or so if you don't have plates to do it for you.

But if you have to do it yourself I'd prefer to probably avoid porn and a vice like grip because those are other things that can negatively affect sex life.

On the biege Phillip show Dante and folks talk about how they don't watch porn or jerk of unless they are within so many feet of a woman. Haha.

But there is a certain swagger or feeling of confidence that comes around 3+ days in.

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The golden rule is anything too good must be done in moderation or it will consume you. Depriving yourself of joy is unhealthy to your psyche.

All of these NoFap threads filled with anecdotal figures really ony makes me wonder one thing - what is average or "normal" sex drive? Is it really "healthy and okay" thay you bust a load, wheter it be by yourself or with a woman every single day? Is it normal when the semen marinates in your balls for a year(figuratively speaking, since I think even grown up men get wet dreams when they do not burst for a while)? In layman's terms, if you have to pull out your dixck every day or do not interact with it at all you have clearly a problem. This is the part of the problem nobody addresses.

the theory is put simply, if you dont ejaculate you will be more driven to find a real girl rather than fuel the desire online

I can give you an insight of the benefits of exceeding the 7 days, but bear in mind that I am 18 yr/o, so my energy and hormones are in a different state comparing to an adult.

It's been over a month since I last fapped and yes, it was fucking hard, but somehow I managed to turn that energy into running like a Jason Statham in Crank almost every day. The first week I was very productive.

After 7-14 days, as it was stated here, you begin seeing women as cold, frozen walking holes in which you must burry your burning dick to make the pain end. My energy was so high that I managed to lose weight even if I ate like shit.

The benefit would be that your body needs to relapse, but you can't jerk off because that would beat the purpose of Nofap. So you automatically start flirting with the majority of girls you encounter for the solely purpose of unloading your abortion into something.

The drawback is that you want to fuck, and want it now, so you are too direct, impatient and bitches sense that you are desperate. Unless you are ripped or lucky or you manage to control your urges, you are not going to fuck. I still have to work on this.

After a month it's basically over. Girls will no longer occupy your mind and you are no longer desperate to ejacualate. I, personally, still get a hard on every morning and I still want to fuck, but I'm no longer conditioned by this fact (as much as a man can use its will against human nature). This is very useful when going monk mode or when you want to work on a long project you've tought for a long time and bitches continuosly crawl under you dick and you feel the butterflies.

Also, I noticed I am more objective in a way. The SMV of the vast majorities of women dropped by 1 point. Desilussional or not, I just added a point to my SMV due to

Note that this was purely based on my experience and yours may differ.

I hit the hardline and stayed there for as long as I kept going. Sex was fine but I found that I wasn't ready for round 2 nearly as soon (the girl I was seeing exclusively was long distance so regular sex was only had during visits). Wanting to have sex again and not being able to be aroused was VERY frustrating. Before all of this I could do the deed and be ready to go again 5 minutes after or even close to immediately. I came to the conclusion that my sex drive just wasn't what it used to be and that it was due to me forcing my sexuality into submission instead of cultivating it carefully and using it to my benefit.

All in all, as with most things, the two extreme ends of the spectrum are terrible. My true path lies somewhere in the middle and I'm sure a lot of you have found the same.

 

Your routine should be a minimum of seven days.

At times you should try longer just to see what happens.

I find that seven days is the cycle your body seems best adjusted to in a relationship (not Fapping, but just normal sex) and so you should recreate that in your recreational off time.

Think of it this way...

If you were a woman with a monthly period would you want sex every day?

Probably not.

The best idea is to do a marathon fuck session during your girlfriends "horny time" and then give it a rest for a few weeks.

Get your Alpha fucks then ignore her.

...but that's not related to Fap.

 

One very important part of nofap for me (200+ days in) was that fapping is the easiest way to release a high amount of dopamine. When you fap frequently, lets say three times a week, give or take, your brains become accustomed to always have a fake escape from reality when stressed.

When you abstain yourself from fapping, you force yourself to do something productive in order to get that sought after dopamine release. Thats why it turns so many lives around in a good way.

I think a lot of people would prefer long term satisfaction, like a career or a personal project, instead of short term satisfaction like fapping.

In short, nofap makes you strong willed, disciplined and motivated to reach your goals

I think this whole thing is broscience bullshit. If you're beating it 5 times a day, you've got a fucking problem. Your life WILL improve if you cut it back. If you're beating it once or twice, you might notice some slight improvements if you cut it down to 2-3x per week. Anything beyond that, seems fucking ridiciolous. You'll just have a wet dream once a week anyway, so why not just use extreme discipline to jerk off 2-3 times a week? Or maybe even 1x a week if you're that disciplined( i'm not).

Try Semen retention when you fap. Still trying at the moment to separate orgasm from ejaculation. Ah I remember the good old days before I could ejaculate. I would have a full body orgasm every time for like a minute. If I don't fap my dick becomes more sensitive, then when I fap again it is really sore next day. So I hust do maintainence fapping once a week to keep foreskin strong. Sounds weird but it's true. Anyone here successfully separated orgasm from ejaculation. This would be amazing during sex?

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I dunno I noticed that I started getting nocturnal emissions or wet dream, but I didn't get them when I masturbated regularly. Interesting change. I am like at 100 days + currently, and I want to be able to do 420 days :3

I got to 73 days and I haven't seen the stupid magical powers that everyone has said.

I did however see less brain fog, I've been more focused on my goals and I've had more energy. Instead of sitting in my room stroking my skin flute I've been doing more productive things in that time.

I've also seen a rise in confidence in myself. But that could be from TRP or a mix. I've noticed women listen and pay attention to me more and some of my coworkers have been eye fucking me lately. I have more energy throughout the day and I just felt better about myself.

With that being said there was no oneitis just spreading her legs begging me to fuck her. None of that bullshit but just you feel better overall and get more shit done. That's what I've come to conclude of it at least but everyone is different.

I think it's healthy to an extent. I've never had a PMO addiction before but I did it because I was tired of seeing my friends get laid and have LTR's and there was me on my Saturday nights staying home being an unproductive fat neckbeard beta. So I did something about it. Instead of trying to just abstain completely I decided to do it once every 7-10 days. I have a set time and I use that time for masturbation. It is a healthy thing to do. When you don't cum for that long it can throw your sex drive out of sorts and when you do get with a girl while on NoFap you're gonna last about as long as a vine video the first go round. I'd say try to participate in it for at least a week and just try to notice the significant changes it's made for you.

it's for quitting. takes longer than 7 days to break bad habits

it's not the only way to break the habit, though. i still look at porn, and i still fap, just not together. like, i'll look at porn on the shitter at work (it gives me ideas). and i'll fap before sleeping fairly often, but with no porn, and i'll take my time

something that helped a lot: fap with someone else in the bed. it makes it feel less like you're doing something shameful or weird. first time i did it was when a fwb had a yeast infection, but i'll also do it if i'm just in bed with someone and not in the mood to fuck (sometimes it turns into fucking or a blowjob, sometimes it doesn't. the plan is never fucking, though)

i have unusual views on addiction, though. i try to figure out my mental model and then break it, rather than go cold turkey and hope it works. i think the standard way ends up with you balanced precariously above addiction, and it just takes a nudge to fall back into it

NoFap long streaks is good for guys with fetish problems. Sometimes weird fetishes can override your desire for normal sex so in order to change that is to stop jacking off to weird fetish porn.

This is what I found about Nofap:

When I first tried it, I became full-energy, high sex drive, confident and happier. But nowadays I don’t get that same effect anymore; if I do Nofap then I feel less drained but that’s about it.

Let me start off by addressing the fact many people believe NoFap only works for those who have a porn addiction and a permanent hand imprint on their cock. I am an exception to this belief. (I started masturbating around 13, never really got into watching porn, and never masturbated more than 3 times a week)

When I use NoFap I see these obvious effects around day 20: I lose all my social anxiety, become much more disciplined in areas that aren't NoFap (such as eating healthy), aquire extreme confidence around women, and I seem to become more attractive to women, as if my presence alone sparks sexual tension within them. The only problem is that sometimes I don't realize how much sexual emergy I uave built up and I actually escalate too fast. I need to learn to go slow and let the sexual tension build for ger too haha

It's very simple: If you're having sex with any regularity you don't need to fap. The 90 day reboot isn't about testosterone peaks specifically, it's about breaking a habit, shifting your time priorities and developing some discipline (yeah I get OP you're very disciplined, some guys aren't). "I get wet dreams blah blah" suggests to me you're not having sex. I did a 90 day reboot and didn't wet dream once, because I was fucking.

Porn fucks with your head, don't use it.

it's not about the benifits after day 7 - It's about not falling back into addiction

Porn is hated by the female imperative, NoFap has minor placebo benefits therefore Beta's do it to appease women(Mostly subconscious)

I'm not sure I'm adding anything that other people who've done NoFap haven't said, but from personal experience I can tell you that you need to go 90 or 100 days at least once in your life.

You might not think of it as an addiction, but have you ever actually exercised the discipline it would take to totally refrain from sexual release of any kind for 3 months? Master yourself first, and then see what it does to your game.

That said, if you have the chance to spend time in the company of a lady friend don't ignore it for the sake of this challenge.. but also put your mission before your woman at all times in life. (<--not just true for NoFap)

If you tell a girl you're not having sex for 90 days I bet you strong money she'll be at your door with pizza every day waiting for those 90 days to be over.

Your post and answers seem to carry a lot of rationalization, you're talking harshly about the no fap community that seem to be trapped into rules and dont want to change their view but as a popular saying suggest it, when you're blaming someone for something make sure you don't have the same flaws they have.

People tell you to do it and you come with answers like "but what if you're x and do y already".

Only yourself can judge if it's worth it or not for you, so do it, go for the full 90 days or more and then reflect the good and bad about it.

If you want my answer i'd say it is worth a try just for the fact that it might be the hardest thing to stop doing for a lot of people and so taking it out will only make you grow more, you also say that you already disciplined and don't need more, that's fine but then don't expect to get better results than the one you currently get.

Lastly you're saying that after a time you feel bad (flatline ) which is a way for your body to tell you that you're doing something wrong, that's flawed logic imo and full of rationalizing, your body will fuck you up if you stop anything you were used to be doing compulsively, does that mean alcoholics and drug addicts should keep doing their thing ?

Sit down and think really about why you're not willing to do it.

I've been on abstaining from fapping for about 6 months now, with a single fap inbetween (smoked some weed, thought it would be fun to fap, cause I had finished my 90 days reboot). I didn't notice much change when I fapped at day 94, I think it was. But I definitely did notice change when I didn't fap for 94 days. That's why after that single fap I didn't go back to my old habits and decided to keep going. Currently thinking of never fapping again, cause I had the flatline, but it never came back again. Every single day of NoFap feels good to me. Do whatever works for you, doesn't matter if it's fapping every week or abstaining from masturbation forever.

I vouch for NoFap 150%!

I started watching porn and masturbating well before puberty started (couldn't even produce semen), and back then I just did it because it felt good. My taste never got too kinky or extreme but I'd always jack it one to three times a day. Always. Fast forward to high school and I remember how out of place and inferior I felt compared to guys my age. I was depressed and self-conscious and I didn't know why, but I kept jacking it because the BP media told me it was healthy and good for you. Girl's didn't look at me twice, I was as skinny as a toothpick, and I had convinced myself I could never be determined attractive or worthy by a female. Looking back, it depresses me because I never gave my body the testosterone it needed to sculpt me into the man I was supposed to be, and you guessed it, I was a super late bloomer (No Pit hair until almost 17).

Then halfway through my senior year, I stumbled onto TRP and through this place I discovered NoFap. That's when everything started to change. I decided to give it ago, a test per say and I made it almost two weeks but gave in. That's when I realized how addicted to porn I actually was. So I kept trying, and trying,... and trying. For months I didn't get past a week, a week and a half if I was lucky, but I saw things starting to change. With each streak, I would notice I would think about porn less and less, attention from girls would skyrocket after a week, my confidence would be sky high, and I would kill it in the gym. That's when I knew I needed NoFap, not because of the benefits but for myself.

NoFap just like TRP is all about improvement. Yes, the incentive (read: end goal) is pussy, but as time passed I noticed it became more about helping myself and eliminating an addiction that had been quietly breaking me for years, and I didn't even notice. If you watch porn and jack it, try it out. Worst case scenario, you make it a day and give in, in that case, you should probably pursue NoFap. Best case, you find it easy to cut out the porn, in which case it was never a problem for you in the first place but to say that NoFap has no merit is just bullshit. Currently on my longest streak as of yet, and although it's only been three weeks I feel better than ever. I can say in confidence that NoFap is a game changer.

As one that has been mostly off and rarely on in terms of porn and fapping for like 5 years i can tell u that the problem IS PORN. Eliminate porn and become the man you were meant to be. Jackoff every so often without porn its ok but completely eliminate porn and thank ur boy later

Go past seven days and get than burly lumberjack deep man voice op.

The bitches can't resist it.

I jerked off after a 104 day streak then my voice sounds like a pencil neck bitch boy again.

Nofap has its uses.

Most men are addicted to porn. And many keep seeking out more and more depraved shit until they can't get it up without watching an old tranny midget taking a dump on some retard in a fur suit, while another guy watches. Bit of an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Doing nofap for 90-100 days gets rid that weird shit. So you can be normal again.

I'm assuming that the guys that have done it for 3 years still fuck. It would be plain weird to be celibate for that long.

For the love of god people - when you don't fap it alters the shape of your sperm - negatively - especially if its more than 1 day. No fapping is a good way to become infertile

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7820161

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15950636

If you do it enough times, the sperm is permanently affected according to some research as the body is trained that healthy sperm is bad. There is a reason why mother nature has instilled the need for masturbation in males.

There are a few topics in this sub that often generates bad advice, over and over again. This is one of them - listen to science people