So in other words: this girl, a whole human being with thoughts, emotions and innumerable ways to make a man happy outside of sex would feel threatened by a plastic hole that feels kind of good for a man to stick his dick into.
To be honest, I've always wondered about this and I've never found an answer that satisfied me: why more women don't try to add value to themselves in a non-superficial way.
Sex is the only thing men want from women where the want has trumpeted feminists' suppression attempts. In other words, men want a lot more from women than sex, but everything else has been deemed misogynistic.
Patrice answered this one quite succinctly. "That's not all I want. Unless that's all you've got." In which case, that's all that she could ever hope to receive.
if women dont want dick like men pussy the world economy would break down in a day
No. Women still need provisioning from men, and they're willing to trade pussy for it. Women can want no dick at all, and the world economies would still float under my model. They just need to be willing to trade pussy for what they want.
Sex is the minimum you want. To be your girlfriend, she has to go beyond sex. If she takes away sex, she friendzones herself.
Edit: bah, didn't really answer the question. My wife is very good at telling me what nonsexual things she gives me to try to excuse her low sex drive. You can ask a girl "what makes a good wife/girlfriend?" And point out that she has to include both sexual and nonsexual things.
What a great way to put it. Can I run with that? "Sex isn't all men want. it's the minimum."
As someone who has spent too much time browsing pof. I think this is such a concise yet layered way to say something so many women need to realize. Don't worry. I'm not going to go preaching to hamsters.
Go for it. What made me realize it was a comment in this sub, something along the lines of: "Having a vagina and using it on me makes a person an option. Not having a vagina or not using it on me makes a person not an option." (talking about romantic relationships)
A man is very hungry. He makes conversation with women and eventually one woman offers him pie. The man is grateful for the pie. He tries to pay the woman for that pie. The woman doesn't take his money. However, he continues to regularly come and eat her pie. They get to know each other and he takes her to places, does nice things for her, and often helps her with bills or pays her way.
One day the man comes to eat but isn't in the mood for pie. Pie is all the woman has. The man still comes, but now only when he is starving. He is tired of pie. He doesn't feel like eating it, much less paying for it. The women is upset that the man isn't spending so much time and money on her. Afterall, she has the pie.
The man used to think he could eat pie his whole life. Now he is noticing that other women offer steak, potatos, salad, and a variety of many other things. He gets to know a woman and she offers him to come over for a nice chicken dinner. The man accepts and is now regularly eating chicken dinner with this new woman. Now that he has had something else, he may still up for pie as long as it doesn't interfere with his chicken dinners.
Except in my situation with my wife, she used to give me full course meals daily. Then after signing the government contract stating her as the sole provider of my food, and going into a side daycare business (mommy to our kids), her personal catering service's quality and reliability dropped to levels that would put it out of business if it needed paying customers.
After getting bacon, eggs, and biscuits for breakfast; steak, potatoes, salad for dinner everyday, of course I'm going to complain or go elsewhere when I'm tossed only chips and soda once a month.
Yes and no. The chips and soda once a month is my analogy for my darkest bluepill hour right before I started popping redpills... which has turned things around. Now quantity isn't a problem, but quality is homerun or strikeout, oddly nothing in between, like 2 weeks of hamburger helper, then sudden surprise 11 course Chinese wedding banquet.
The change didn't happen with wedding bells, though. It was first hint of pregnancy. It didn't seem to occur to her that being a good mom does not preclude her from being a good wife, or that being a good wife makes her a better mom by keeping dad in the kids' lives. And back to the beginning of this comment string: I don't think she ever considered being sexual part of being a good wife until I manned up and told her. "but my mom says~ and your mom says~" "Honey, you're married to me, not them, and my mom says divorce a woman that makes me unhappy"
This is all too common, unfortunately. Not only did it happen in my marriage, it happened in the marriages of every one of my friends.
The conclusion I draw from this is that women use sex as a tool to get what they want. Once they've got you, they no longer feel obligated. Sure, a wife will throw you the occasional maintenance fuck, but the days of enthusiastically satisfying you in every way imaginable are gone. It's fucked up. I felt used and manipulated. My ex was always happy to spend my paycheck and enjoy the fruits of my labor, but God forbid I try to enjoy her body - which was, unfortunately, all she brought to the table.
I've realized now that the only power I have over women is the power to leave them for another. Marriage and kids grossly increased the cost of leaving her, making her feel safe.
Want to know something really fucked up? After I made my intention to leave my wife known and started partying with younger, more attractive girls, she suddenly became incredibly sexual. Unprompted blow jobs on the regular and all the dirty, nasty sex I wanted any time I wanted it. Prior to that? God fearing church girl who reluctantly laid there and let me fuck her with the lights off once a month if I was lucky.
I hate that I have to maintain an "I don't need you" attitude in my relationships. Unfortunately, it's the only thing that seems to work. Once you let yourself fall hopelessly in love - something women claim to want - they instantly lose respect for you. The things you need from them dry up, and I'm not just talking about pussy.
This is the essence of TRP. Congratulations! The second you let your guard down they lose respect and passion for you. Fucked up? Not so much as when I didn't understand it- but my eyes are still hurting (because I had never used them).
Hmm, they like the journey, not the destination, or maybe the destination is the wedding party. Telling that my wife, my sister, my sister-in-law all cried at their own weddings.
That's the problem with women these days; they have nothing else to offer men besides sex. Women view themselves as sex objects as well.
A woman who is hot, skilled in bed and has hobbies/interests beyond makeup, cosmetics, fashion (which all support her as a sex object) is a rare thing these days.
no wonder its the biggest turn on for men (at least me). I love seeing a woman have hobbies that she is good at. It is insanely attractive since it presents value other than vagina (which is limited in how much value it holds long term).
My new attitude is "what do you have to offer, because if its nothing but a hole, then you are NOTHING to me"
This is basically what it comes down to. Ask a woman how being married to her or being her boyfriend will improve your life. You'll get something like "you get to have sex with me."
Ok great, but there are 3.5 billion other vaginas on the planet, yours isn't special. What else you got?
Today an 8 kept bugging me about giving her a kiss like she always does every time I see her. Every time I ask her what I'm getting out of this and she says "you get a kisss!!!!".
As a black guy I disagree. Most black women don't kiss at all. It's kind of a turn-off to fuck a chick without kissing her. It's like fucking a prozzie. Agree about the Latinas though.
It's not about getting the kiss, it's about putting her in her place. Kisses come easy, they're cheap and effortless and you can get it anytime you want
Why should you get anything out of a mutual display of affection other then the enjoyable sentiments associated with a mutual display of affection? What's next, blow jobs in exchange for fist-bumps?
Heh ... Whenever I got asked why I'm single, I'd say because I don't want a relationship. Women would get all snotty and say, "you must not like getting laid much." Like a relationship is the only way to get sex.
I'm still trying to work out the best response to this.. I HATE this shaming technique and I love to remind them that I do get laid, and they mean nothing to me.
Edit: oh shit I got it! Take your exact response and add "or" to the front and give it with a playful laugh! Let her imagination run away with it. You have not revealed anything.. and she will wonder if you are joking or serious.
Agree & Amplify works a lot of the time, but I don't think that it could be executed here without sounding butt-hurt or misplaced. Your response wouldn't trigger much of a positive reaction. I'd just laugh it off.
You need to digest 'glossary of shaming tactics' if you haven't already. Women will always attack a man by belittling their manhood i.e. Penis size / Gay / or a mans ability to attract a woman (get laid.)
If you haven't already noticed, this is their goto attack/defense if they don't agree with you.
"What you think women are all the same? You must not get laid much."
"Oh you don't want to be seen publicly with me because my skirt is so high that it's showing off my asshole? You must be a faggot."
Episode 12 of The Black Phillip show displayed this best when they had an extremely entitled model as revolving 3rd mic. She displayed these behaviours to a tee, playing the victim card when she was the one attacking, and quick to label the male hosts gay when they didn't agree with her sexual commentary.
After I laugh at them, I pretty much say that I get laid more being single than in any relationship. Then they blame the girls: "You must've dated the wrong girls". Oddly enough, this same type of woman will/has given advice to married men complaining about not getting laid, to romance her more, do more chores around the house, buy her more stuff. Which as we all know, we result in even less sex.
there are other aspects to relationships besides sex, such as mutual support.
There's SUPPOSED to be for relationships that are meant to last, yes. Doesn't mean in practice there is..and I'll point to the high divorce rate as proof of this.
Mutual support is great, but for most men sex is the first test a woman has to pass. If she's ugly or can't fuck then GTFO. Everything else comes second.
Also, where are these special women that give you support without you giving them something in return? Namely your resources and protection.
I do not hate women. I see relationships as a transaction. She gives you sex, you give her resources.Clearly you see things from a more emotional perspective.
You basically state the the only thing valuable in a women is that she can provide sex. Reality is that the majority of women have sex in relationships (excluding religious people). So the value of a Women is much much more complex than your simple, and might I add pathetic way of viewing relationships. I want a Women that is caring, that helps me when I need her support, that reciprocates what I do for her -- and quite frankly that's what I do have. Also, note that I still believe in the traditional Male/Female roles and that Male-dominance and Female-passiveness makes for a healthy relationship.
Please leave your shaming language at home when you visit here. "Pathetic"? Because I have a different opinion? Leave that to feminists.
To addresses your statements directly...the primary value a woman has to a man is her womb. If you have something she wants, she grants you access via her vagina; let's not forget that sex is for making babies.
As far as your statements about support and whatnot, I agreed with you, they're great. But it comes at a cost. Once you stop fulfilling HER needs, she'll "fall out of love." Same goes for men.
You're obviously coming from a different point of view. I avoid emotional entanglements with women because of the reasons I listed above. I already procreated so I really have no use for a womb, a vagina and fun times will do.
Edit: also, your replies indicate you didn't read my original post very carefully. I didn't say the only value women have is sex. What I said was if you ask most women what they have to offer besides sex they don't have an answer. Women have a one hundred point checklist about what they want in a man, but struggle to figure out what they're bringing to the table. Hence, the attitude that they're entitled to a great man without doing anything to earn it.
Thomas is right, and why he's getting down voted...fuck if I know. It's a weird trait of this sub reddit to rail against women putting sex on a pedestal while putting sex on a pedestal. The reason women try and succeed at bartering sex is because men see it as something to be bartered for. If a woman has sex because she wants to, that's seen by some men as lowering her value...Because he didn't get the chance to "win" her pussy. And linking your own value to your ability to win pussy is STILL putting pussy on a pedestal. I really don't get the whole "any woman that would fuck me is a woman i don't want"mindset.
When Thomas says other aspects to relationships beside sex, he doesn't necessarily mean commitment.
That's the problem though, Thomas ISN'T right. He didn't even read the reply.
blarsen's point was that women will often point out that one of benefits to being in a relationship with them is that they get to have sex. If that is a woman's first answer, she recognizes that her sole value is her body. That doesn't make a woman special.
That is the point that is trying to be made. There is no hatred, there is no pedestaling of sex.
The idea behind the promiscuity of women is that it is bad news for relationships. A promiscuous woman is likely to cheat. How good can her values be if she's shopping her body around?
Men and women are valued differently with regards to sex: men who have bedded a lot of women have more value in both a man and woman's eyes (because he has status, wealth, etc.) and women who have bedded a lot of men have less value because they are giving themselves away. It is by far easier for a woman to get sex at any given time regardless of how physically unattractive it is as compared to a comparable man.
With one point, I agree. If the first answer is "you get to have sex with me", then yeah, that's sex as trade, and not to be respected.
However, the rest of your post is nothing BUT putting pussy on a pedestal. It cannot go both ways. I get that through socialization it's seen differently...in no way does it make it correct, it just means we understand the analysis behind the socialization.
If a woman says the primary reason to be with her is sex, yeah, that's wrong...but in the same exact post, you're saying that sex is the primary reason to be with her.
The problem is that you believe that linking your own value to your ability to win pussy is the act of putting pussy on a pedestal. It's a correlation. Your ability to get pussy is a much bigger indicator of your standing in society. That doesn't mean that pussy is on the pedestal, that is simply an indicator of how much pussy you can get because of who you are/what you have/etc.
When I am discussing male and female values, I am putting it with regards to sex and sex ONLY. This is not a person's overall value. This does not put pussy on the pedestal. A person's value is composed of many things, and sex happens to be one of them, but it isn't undeniably very important.
As an example, think about hookers/prostitutes/escorts/pornstars. They have a low sexual value because they are offering their bodies in exchange for currency. However, this also relates to other values too because sex is important in relationships.
We'll have to disagree on that one. The disagreement starts at "winning" pussy, and continues at the idea that the ability to have sex is an indicator of your standing in society. There's no way that ISN'T putting pussy on a pedestal. Even your statement about prostitutes/porn stars/etc. illustrates that point. If a woman has sex for any reason except self gratification, it's prostitution, whether it's attention, money, relationship, or a third date. But if she has sex simply because she wants to, she's shamed for that, too. That shame comes from guys who think their status comes from their ability to get pussy, because if they can't get the chance to win it , their own status in their eyes is lessened.
He was never defending me, he was simply agreeing with some aspects of what I posted. Such a petty way to encourage conformity instead of trying to reason with clear rational thought.
So let me understand this: if I comment agreeing on a highly upvoted comment, it's cool, but if I comment agreeing on a highly downvoted comment, it's white knighting.
No, when you start trying to interpret what someone else has wrote and defending what YOU interpret their position to be, AND that person has made no attempt to defend themselves... THAT is white knighting.
There's a pretty good counter point made further down in the comments though though:
Thing is, when a lady has an orgasm, she can still have sex. Hell, in my case I usually really WANT to have sex after a clitoral orgasm. But for a dude, an orgasm is an orgasm. You only get one, and you're out of the ball game.
She said she wouldn't fight it, so she recognises that doing so would make her a hypocrite. It's just a concern. I'm sure that the boyfriend could have concerns about her having a vibrator but he doesn't say anything because he doesn't think it's an overly big deal.
Just because you have concerns about something isn't wrong.
shouldnt she realise though that her husband may have concerns of competing with her own vibe though? And it would have the same detrimental effect on their sex life.
Quite possibly; we don't have much context to go on.
Alternatively, what's to say that the husband doesn't enjoy the fact she has a vibrator, and integrates it into their sex life? He might enjoy watching her use it - so he could support her having the vibrator, but she might not feel the same way towards him having a flesh light and it just comes down to preference. Hell, perhaps the reason he never went and got one is because he doesn't feel inclined to.
I think in this case, we don't have enough information to judge. The fact that she recognises the potential for hypocrisy makes me think that her having a vibrator is an accepted part of their relationship already, not something she's hiding or holding over him.
Thank you for mentioning one of the reasons for my impending divorce. Apparently, one of my jobs was as a life support system for her dick. Then again, my soon to be ex wife having BPD didn't exactly help...
I think you are reading a lot more into it than what she's saying, she understand it would only be fair for him to have one, she wouldn't even stop him, it sounds more like she just has a lack of self confidence that she would feel sexually threatened by it slightly.
Her having worries about stuff is perfectly normal, hey we all worry about something. Just some people feel the need to make something out of nothing because she voiced an opinion, seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction to her comment IMO.
Sex toys have a very different social stigma for men and women for good reason. If a man has a sex toy, it's an indicator that he cannot get laid. Since we are RP we know what a devastating blow this is to a man's attractiveness. It's pretty much despicable to a woman. It's not the toy; it's the indicative social status.
However, for a woman it is a tool to quench her insatiable thirst without slutting it up. It shows that even though she needs sexual release that she is not going to lower her standards and has confidence that she will find an appropriate man in time. Of course, this assumes reasonable toys and frequency.
I believe this underlying thought process is why these things are viewed so differently. Of course it's not fair between the sexes.
If a man has a sex toy, it's an indicator that he cannot get laid.
for a woman it is a tool to quench her insatiable thirst without slutting it up.
This thought process is ridiculous. Typically, men are the ones with the higher sex drive, and every man masturbates. Is that an indicator he cannot get laid? Of course not. What's the difference between jacking off into a sock and using a sex toy? Why is the latter any kind of social implication while the former is not? The end result is the same.
Not every woman has a problem with male sex toys. Some women get off on it. Just next anyone who applies that double standard to you.
Why worry? Its fun to warm her up or work her over with a toy. There is something better about someone doing it to you, or for you. I'm not concerned about a toy giving something I don't.
Factually outside of the small percentage of men hung like show ponies most men simply CANT compete with the sizes of the toys available, or their range of action.
Not saying that they can complete replace a mans role, "Can it mow the lawn" and all that jazz, but in terms of satisfying a size queen (Read: Women) yeah, i'd say we have something to worry about
1b) Sex for women (generally speaking) isn't a matter of physical size, it's a matter of 1- physical prowess and 2 - emotional connection. 2 is very important because women can get a dick pretty much on command , so something has to enhance that sex...otherwise, yeah, they can pull out the vibrator or the dildo, get off, and not have to deal with drama. (The counter for that goes for men who can get sex with ease like women can. )
Back to 1...yeah, if you're two or three inches, you better have a tongue like a gymnast. But a fair amount of women complain about those with huge dicks having no idea what to do and just banging around like a screen door in a tornado. Size may be a variable, but it's not the entire equation at all.
Being threatened by a dildo is like being threatened by a fleshlight , they're both equally insecure for exactly the same reasons.
I dunno most girls ive known have found it to be a matter of physical size.
Sure prowess comes in, but funnily enough a dildo is never gonna cum too quick and leave her wanting. It'll go as long as she needs it to.
The whole "He's got a big dick but doesnt know what to do with it" thing IMO is just their way of either A: Placating the small penised man they're trying to betafy (When discussing it with men) or B: Their way of snarking back at the big donged guy who wouldnt stick around after blowing his load (When discussing it with women)
Not to attempt to negate with personal experience, but I'm neither a small penised man or the snarkee. I know a lot of the time women say things that are either really false or that they truly believe , but I'm friends (as opposed to friend zoned) with a fair amount of women (some I've had sex with, some I haven't, all I didn't care whether I did or not) and that's pretty universal.
This thinking that dick size is a key component leads to betas sending dick pics all day...like look at my dick! Don't you want it? This gives me value! And it's all wrong. Again, yeah, you can't be hung like a Vienna sausage, but most of a woman's sensitive pleasure areas are located within the first three to four inches. Not only that, but they have babies...they wear tampons...it's not a matter of being the biggest thing she can put in there unless she's Amber Rayne. Technique and desire, neither of which takes being JackNapier.
Sure. SOME TYPE OF MENTAL CONNECTION. Tell me how well "hey, girl, let's fuck" works for you.
Unless every ass hole they're fucking ALSO is hung is like a giant, that point is invalid. But they're not, and let me tell you why...it's the mental that enhances the physical, not the other way around. Those assholes captured the mind, the pussy followed.
so first it was an emotional connection. now its a 'mental connection' whatever that means. it sounds like you're trying to say one needs to talk to a woman and get her to talk to you back before she'll sleep with you.
Groundbreaking.
Those assholes captured the mind, the pussy followed.
Thats a PUA mentality, not a RP one. Those assholes didnt capture anything, they just had high status. You can trick a girl into thinking you have high status, but its better to actually have it.
And once you do, you really can open with 'hey lets fuck.'
Well, of course if you don't believe you have high status, then yeah, you might have to trick somebody into believing what you yourself don't believe.
Mental, emotional...what, do you think these are contradictory or something?
And no, it's not groundbreaking at all, which is WHY it's sad to see so many people in this thread missing the point.
Or maybe I'm missing the point of TRP , for I thought it was to be secure with ones self and not be passive and not put up with bullshit for the sake of ass.
What I'm getting is that it's perfectly fine to be insecure, just as long as you're bitter about it, too.
And I take issue with the whole "dildos make me feel insecure because my dick isn't huge and women want eleven inches or more" baloney. No angst at all, just discussion.
Incidentally, synonyms are literally different words.
Imagine the feminist gnashing outcry if somebody said ban dildos over 6 inches long as very few men can compete with that --- or ban vibrators as no human is able to do that with any body part
I'm a man, I own and use sex toys (flesh lights no as Im gay I don't see the appeal) I don't see an issue with anybody using things to enhance sexual pleasure or get off while alone
shaming men for using toys is wrong, end of fucking story
It is pretty good, I have women as friends (albeit about as far from feminist as possible) but with not having to try and date them it is easier on the soul
They want to keep the price artificially inflated so men will buckle under the provider role and marry the well used and abused women. This is why they dislike porn, male sex toys, and prostitution. They do not want the "desirable" men to have any other options. They could really care less about the undesirable men, but if they find alternatives the desirable men might catch on and not "marry" them.
Its cheap for alphas, and it always will be. But Alphas wont ever care to use anything like this because they get plenty of high quality sex from women who fall over themselves to please.
This is about keeping betas on the treadmill. If men dont need women our own needs are remarkably modest. The whole system will fall down if betas come off reservation
The moment complete VR experience hits the market, things are gonna be so fun. I can't wait to see how the society changes when no man needs a real woman anymore.
(flesh lights no as Im gay I don't see the appeal)
Interesting, though gays are typically naturally pretty redpill, I've never met a homosexual person who overtly endorses the ideology. Do you find the redpill environment hostile or welcoming when you reveal your orientation?
Sometimes that is the case, there is so much social pressure on people of both sexes to be "normal" that going against the grain can be very hard it took me years to accept it in myself
HAHAHA and these women will? The bitch is unhappy that her husband could feel satisfied without her. I'm sure if it gets hard she'll be right there with him
Don't give money to a website that will ban The red Pill the second they have an excuse. Instead, attempt to insinuate red pill knowledge amongst men, lead them from beta, and live well.
Fleshlights don't have boobs, don't laugh at corny jokes, won't be there for life's difficult moments, can't have children or hopes and dreams, and don't have boobs
Saying you can't compete with a sex toy pretty much puts your value at ZERO! I can't even imagine how much of a shallow borderline retarded person you would have to be to have that claim be legitimate.
I remember a similar hamster about abortion. A woman was shocked that a man wouldn't want to "man up" and take care of his kid if a woman had an oopsie he wasn't ready for. The next fucking sentence she says she was pro choice and would abort in that same situation.
Hamstering at it's finest "He's allowed to use toys to have fun, as long as it isn't a replacement vagina, now excuse me while I get my fake dick to masturbate".
They can use their fingers, which they can even do while their dick is in the woman's vagina. At least my husband can... all that video gaming did help him out in life after all I guess?
I've heard many women claim that fleshlights are "gross" and "disgusting" etc, yet they talk openly about how they have a collection of dildo's, and vibrators.
Beyond that I don't get the whole man using a dildo on a woman thing. Seems emasculating to use a fake vibrating dick on a girl because apparently your real body isn't good enough.
Get about a 4-5 inch bullet type vibrator. Play with her a bit, stick it in her pussy.
Then fuck her in the ass. As your dick goes in and out of her, you will be pressing the end of the vibrator against her G-spot and the vibrator will be tickling that super sensitive spot on your glans (where the two side come together just below the hole).
She will cum like a monster. You'll find out if she's a squirter. You'll cum pretty hard yourself.
Meh, a bullet to help get her clit off probably doesn't hurt anything when done in moderation. But yeah a woman that owns some big ass double-wide dildo is an immediate next.
Does the dildo push her face into the bed and slap her ass and pull her by her shoulders into it while it rams her? Then flip her over and push her ankles past her ears and fill her up and call her a sexy little fucking slut while jamming one or two or its fingers in her mouth to suck on?
If you fuck her right the toy isn't an issue. In fact you can use it on her asshole while you beat her pussy up and that feels amazing on your cock.
Some men are asexual bro, I don't really give two shits about popping one, I do enjoy seeing a women get off more than an orgasm, as weird as that is. I don't know bro, sex isn't a big issue for me. I just like seeing people happy.
That is not to say what he said isn't retarded ofc.
" Seems emasculating to use a fake vibrating dick on a girl because apparently your real body isn't good enough."
This. When i was a kid and got laid the first time my gf asked me to use her dildo on her after 15 min of bad sex. Didn't feel appreciated and i dumped her the next day. Didnt get my confidence back until i was 15.
It wasn't a vibe, it was just a silicon dildo that looked like jesus/a rabbit, she got it from her mom when her mom's gf moved in (Yeah, weird family). And i am from Sweden were most people loose their virginity at 14-16. So it wasn't that unusual.
It isn't so bad like everyone thinks, most of the feminists you see in Sweden are the only ones. Sweden is so equal, most people just think feminists are bitches that complain about petty shit.
Take the power of sex from women, and you'll see them for what they are. I say every man who's married get one.Women are the biggest hypocrites i've encountered.
So she better chop off his hands too. reminds me of my ex...loved taking nude pics of me, sent the pics to playgirl, they wanted more photos, but then she got upset with me over it and refused to let me send them.
Isn't there a single male toy besides the fleshlight that even comes close to the real thing?
Not really. I have a fleshlight. It's okay.
I also have a Venus 2000. It's basically a hands-free fleshlight, just put it on, lay back and enjoy the ride. It's an improvement, for sure - I haven't touched the fleshlight since buying it - but it still doesn't compare to a real woman.
A mans hand provide more friction and direct pleasure that the walls of a vagina. Should we ban masturbation. Or perhaps she could be something that fleshlight cannot. Engaging and human
JPboredguy 11y ago
So in other words: this girl, a whole human being with thoughts, emotions and innumerable ways to make a man happy outside of sex would feel threatened by a plastic hole that feels kind of good for a man to stick his dick into.
As Patrice said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnUU2c_i0w "I'm supposed to treat you special, but you just a series of holes to yourself."
down_with_whomever 11y ago
That was unexpectedly profound.
To be honest, I've always wondered about this and I've never found an answer that satisfied me: why more women don't try to add value to themselves in a non-superficial way.
sway_usa 11y ago
Patrice references always get karma from me.
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zyk0s 11y ago
Sex is the only thing men want from women where the want has trumpeted feminists' suppression attempts. In other words, men want a lot more from women than sex, but everything else has been deemed misogynistic.
EvanDeadlySins 11y ago
Patrice answered this one quite succinctly. "That's not all I want. Unless that's all you've got." In which case, that's all that she could ever hope to receive.
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Remind them just how much you bring to the table.
1) A good job/career
2)money
3)Worldly wisdom
4)Material support ie: Car etc.
Where as women only bring beauty and pussy to the table both of which are depreciating assets.
Demonspawn 11y ago
... From you, because you have nothing else to offer which men do want.
10J18R1A 11y ago
It's all I want if I'm bored with you.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah shit!
kick6 11y ago
No. Women still need provisioning from men, and they're willing to trade pussy for it. Women can want no dick at all, and the world economies would still float under my model. They just need to be willing to trade pussy for what they want.
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kick6 11y ago
Not at all. I'm just saying that a one-way sex trade wouldn't tank the economy. Which makes sense considering the ratio of female to male prostitutes.
FloranHunter 11y ago
It's a damn hypothetical.
iggybdawg 11y ago
Sex is the minimum you want. To be your girlfriend, she has to go beyond sex. If she takes away sex, she friendzones herself.
Edit: bah, didn't really answer the question. My wife is very good at telling me what nonsexual things she gives me to try to excuse her low sex drive. You can ask a girl "what makes a good wife/girlfriend?" And point out that she has to include both sexual and nonsexual things.
RPtooLate 11y ago
What a great way to put it. Can I run with that? "Sex isn't all men want. it's the minimum."
As someone who has spent too much time browsing pof. I think this is such a concise yet layered way to say something so many women need to realize. Don't worry. I'm not going to go preaching to hamsters.
iggybdawg 11y ago
Go for it. What made me realize it was a comment in this sub, something along the lines of: "Having a vagina and using it on me makes a person an option. Not having a vagina or not using it on me makes a person not an option." (talking about romantic relationships)
RPtooLate 11y ago
I wrote a parable based on your idea.
A man is very hungry. He makes conversation with women and eventually one woman offers him pie. The man is grateful for the pie. He tries to pay the woman for that pie. The woman doesn't take his money. However, he continues to regularly come and eat her pie. They get to know each other and he takes her to places, does nice things for her, and often helps her with bills or pays her way.
One day the man comes to eat but isn't in the mood for pie. Pie is all the woman has. The man still comes, but now only when he is starving. He is tired of pie. He doesn't feel like eating it, much less paying for it. The women is upset that the man isn't spending so much time and money on her. Afterall, she has the pie.
The man used to think he could eat pie his whole life. Now he is noticing that other women offer steak, potatos, salad, and a variety of many other things. He gets to know a woman and she offers him to come over for a nice chicken dinner. The man accepts and is now regularly eating chicken dinner with this new woman. Now that he has had something else, he may still up for pie as long as it doesn't interfere with his chicken dinners.
iggybdawg 11y ago
Except in my situation with my wife, she used to give me full course meals daily. Then after signing the government contract stating her as the sole provider of my food, and going into a side daycare business (mommy to our kids), her personal catering service's quality and reliability dropped to levels that would put it out of business if it needed paying customers.
After getting bacon, eggs, and biscuits for breakfast; steak, potatoes, salad for dinner everyday, of course I'm going to complain or go elsewhere when I'm tossed only chips and soda once a month.
TheRabid 11y ago
Then you got everything UNTIL she asked / you asked to signed the non-compete clause...then you got fucked (in a figurative sense).
And this is why communism won't ever work. :)
iggybdawg 11y ago
Yes and no. The chips and soda once a month is my analogy for my darkest bluepill hour right before I started popping redpills... which has turned things around. Now quantity isn't a problem, but quality is homerun or strikeout, oddly nothing in between, like 2 weeks of hamburger helper, then sudden surprise 11 course Chinese wedding banquet.
The change didn't happen with wedding bells, though. It was first hint of pregnancy. It didn't seem to occur to her that being a good mom does not preclude her from being a good wife, or that being a good wife makes her a better mom by keeping dad in the kids' lives. And back to the beginning of this comment string: I don't think she ever considered being sexual part of being a good wife until I manned up and told her. "but my mom says
~ and your mom says~" "Honey, you're married to me, not them, and my mom says divorce a woman that makes me unhappy"1independentmale 11y ago
This is all too common, unfortunately. Not only did it happen in my marriage, it happened in the marriages of every one of my friends.
The conclusion I draw from this is that women use sex as a tool to get what they want. Once they've got you, they no longer feel obligated. Sure, a wife will throw you the occasional maintenance fuck, but the days of enthusiastically satisfying you in every way imaginable are gone. It's fucked up. I felt used and manipulated. My ex was always happy to spend my paycheck and enjoy the fruits of my labor, but God forbid I try to enjoy her body - which was, unfortunately, all she brought to the table.
iggybdawg 11y ago
I've realized now that the only power I have over women is the power to leave them for another. Marriage and kids grossly increased the cost of leaving her, making her feel safe.
1independentmale 11y ago
You got it, man.
Want to know something really fucked up? After I made my intention to leave my wife known and started partying with younger, more attractive girls, she suddenly became incredibly sexual. Unprompted blow jobs on the regular and all the dirty, nasty sex I wanted any time I wanted it. Prior to that? God fearing church girl who reluctantly laid there and let me fuck her with the lights off once a month if I was lucky.
I hate that I have to maintain an "I don't need you" attitude in my relationships. Unfortunately, it's the only thing that seems to work. Once you let yourself fall hopelessly in love - something women claim to want - they instantly lose respect for you. The things you need from them dry up, and I'm not just talking about pussy.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
This is the essence of TRP. Congratulations! The second you let your guard down they lose respect and passion for you. Fucked up? Not so much as when I didn't understand it- but my eyes are still hurting (because I had never used them).
iggybdawg 11y ago
Hmm, they like the journey, not the destination, or maybe the destination is the wedding party. Telling that my wife, my sister, my sister-in-law all cried at their own weddings.
TRPsubmitter 11y ago
That's the problem with women these days; they have nothing else to offer men besides sex. Women view themselves as sex objects as well.
A woman who is hot, skilled in bed and has hobbies/interests beyond makeup, cosmetics, fashion (which all support her as a sex object) is a rare thing these days.
dancingwithcats 11y ago
Indeed they are rare, which is why I'll never let my wife go. She is all of those things and more.
[deleted] 11y ago
no wonder its the biggest turn on for men (at least me). I love seeing a woman have hobbies that she is good at. It is insanely attractive since it presents value other than vagina (which is limited in how much value it holds long term).
My new attitude is "what do you have to offer, because if its nothing but a hole, then you are NOTHING to me"
deepsouthscoundrel 11y ago
Don't point this out on askmen - you'll get downvoted.
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Fuck karma, say what you wish where you wish, if they get butthurt and down vote you its their problem. Karma means shit.
blarsen80 11y ago
This is basically what it comes down to. Ask a woman how being married to her or being her boyfriend will improve your life. You'll get something like "you get to have sex with me."
Ok great, but there are 3.5 billion other vaginas on the planet, yours isn't special. What else you got?
crickets
Namerali 11y ago
Needed to see that comment. Rough day for me too.
But yeah, I've slept with some really loose pussy in my day. Don't blame me if I need to seek pleasure elsewhere if you can't get me off.
Veqq 11y ago
Tomorrow, I'm going around and asking people that very question... Thanks for the idea.
RedPill_Rorschach 11y ago
Today an 8 kept bugging me about giving her a kiss like she always does every time I see her. Every time I ask her what I'm getting out of this and she says "you get a kisss!!!!".
netgrey 11y ago
Not only that most girls can't kiss for shit. Try kissing a Latina or black girl, compared to the typical white bitch, it's not even enjoyable.
[deleted] 11y ago
DATS RAYCISS!!!11!!
Jesse Jackson is soooo gonna hear about this. Be prepared to pucker up and "apologize".
LasherDeviance 11y ago
As a black guy I disagree. Most black women don't kiss at all. It's kind of a turn-off to fuck a chick without kissing her. It's like fucking a prozzie. Agree about the Latinas though.
netgrey 11y ago
I just love the full lips I guess. White girl lips are so thin :(
UnclePuma 11y ago
LOL WTF bro, you both get kisses
Invalidity 11y ago
It's not about getting the kiss, it's about putting her in her place. Kisses come easy, they're cheap and effortless and you can get it anytime you want
catipillar 11y ago
Why should you get anything out of a mutual display of affection other then the enjoyable sentiments associated with a mutual display of affection? What's next, blow jobs in exchange for fist-bumps?
Invalidity 11y ago
The only people I give fistbumps are guys... so no... I don't think I'll be exchanging fist bumps for blowjobs.
captshady 11y ago
Heh ... Whenever I got asked why I'm single, I'd say because I don't want a relationship. Women would get all snotty and say, "you must not like getting laid much." Like a relationship is the only way to get sex.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 11y ago
"Why would I eat steak every single night?"
notseriouslyserious 11y ago
getting laid way too much to want a relationship
[deleted] 11y ago
I'm still trying to work out the best response to this.. I HATE this shaming technique and I love to remind them that I do get laid, and they mean nothing to me.
Edit: oh shit I got it! Take your exact response and add "or" to the front and give it with a playful laugh! Let her imagination run away with it. You have not revealed anything.. and she will wonder if you are joking or serious.
enticingasthatmaybe 11y ago
Women know which men get the pussy thrown at them. If they're shaming you about sex then they are thinking of sex with you.
Is butt hurtey. Agree and amplify...
"yeah, that's why I'm into dudes"
IDefyAxioms 11y ago
Agree & Amplify works a lot of the time, but I don't think that it could be executed here without sounding butt-hurt or misplaced. Your response wouldn't trigger much of a positive reaction. I'd just laugh it off.
[deleted] 11y ago
thats really good too!
I do need to filter out the butt hurtey stuff out.. I've noticed it slips into things without me realizing.
Evolved_Red 11y ago
You need to digest 'glossary of shaming tactics' if you haven't already. Women will always attack a man by belittling their manhood i.e. Penis size / Gay / or a mans ability to attract a woman (get laid.)
If you haven't already noticed, this is their goto attack/defense if they don't agree with you.
"What you think women are all the same? You must not get laid much."
"Oh you don't want to be seen publicly with me because my skirt is so high that it's showing off my asshole? You must be a faggot."
Episode 12 of The Black Phillip show displayed this best when they had an extremely entitled model as revolving 3rd mic. She displayed these behaviours to a tee, playing the victim card when she was the one attacking, and quick to label the male hosts gay when they didn't agree with her sexual commentary.
captshady 11y ago
After I laugh at them, I pretty much say that I get laid more being single than in any relationship. Then they blame the girls: "You must've dated the wrong girls". Oddly enough, this same type of woman will/has given advice to married men complaining about not getting laid, to romance her more, do more chores around the house, buy her more stuff. Which as we all know, we result in even less sex.
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Tiny penis? Why yes, its so small I masturbate like a woman, its like a slightly large clit.
ButterMyBiscuit 11y ago
Are you a programmer, by chance?
Evolved_Red 11y ago
Nope. What makes you say that?
ButterMyBiscuit 11y ago
"Go to" or "go-to" is the term you were looking for.
"goto" is a programming concept.
[deleted] 11y ago
Nah I'm pretty sure he was referring to Admiral Goto
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FloranHunter 11y ago
That would be the point of this subthread. Women decreasingly offer anything but sex in a relationship - but already give out sex without commitment.
kick6 11y ago
There's SUPPOSED to be for relationships that are meant to last, yes. Doesn't mean in practice there is..and I'll point to the high divorce rate as proof of this.
SomersetRaglan 11y ago
except there isnt. when things get really rough, your SO may or may not actually support you.
Totenglocke42 11y ago
I get support from my bros without all of the costs and bullshit. Try another one.
blarsen80 11y ago
Where do you detect hatred in my comments?
Mutual support is great, but for most men sex is the first test a woman has to pass. If she's ugly or can't fuck then GTFO. Everything else comes second.
Also, where are these special women that give you support without you giving them something in return? Namely your resources and protection.
I do not hate women. I see relationships as a transaction. She gives you sex, you give her resources.Clearly you see things from a more emotional perspective.
thomas41546 11y ago
You basically state the the only thing valuable in a women is that she can provide sex. Reality is that the majority of women have sex in relationships (excluding religious people). So the value of a Women is much much more complex than your simple, and might I add pathetic way of viewing relationships. I want a Women that is caring, that helps me when I need her support, that reciprocates what I do for her -- and quite frankly that's what I do have. Also, note that I still believe in the traditional Male/Female roles and that Male-dominance and Female-passiveness makes for a healthy relationship.
blarsen80 11y ago
Please leave your shaming language at home when you visit here. "Pathetic"? Because I have a different opinion? Leave that to feminists.
To addresses your statements directly...the primary value a woman has to a man is her womb. If you have something she wants, she grants you access via her vagina; let's not forget that sex is for making babies.
As far as your statements about support and whatnot, I agreed with you, they're great. But it comes at a cost. Once you stop fulfilling HER needs, she'll "fall out of love." Same goes for men.
You're obviously coming from a different point of view. I avoid emotional entanglements with women because of the reasons I listed above. I already procreated so I really have no use for a womb, a vagina and fun times will do.
Edit: also, your replies indicate you didn't read my original post very carefully. I didn't say the only value women have is sex. What I said was if you ask most women what they have to offer besides sex they don't have an answer. Women have a one hundred point checklist about what they want in a man, but struggle to figure out what they're bringing to the table. Hence, the attitude that they're entitled to a great man without doing anything to earn it.
10J18R1A 11y ago
Sigh...
Thomas is right, and why he's getting down voted...fuck if I know. It's a weird trait of this sub reddit to rail against women putting sex on a pedestal while putting sex on a pedestal. The reason women try and succeed at bartering sex is because men see it as something to be bartered for. If a woman has sex because she wants to, that's seen by some men as lowering her value...Because he didn't get the chance to "win" her pussy. And linking your own value to your ability to win pussy is STILL putting pussy on a pedestal. I really don't get the whole "any woman that would fuck me is a woman i don't want"mindset.
When Thomas says other aspects to relationships beside sex, he doesn't necessarily mean commitment.
Invalidity 11y ago
That's the problem though, Thomas ISN'T right. He didn't even read the reply.
blarsen's point was that women will often point out that one of benefits to being in a relationship with them is that they get to have sex. If that is a woman's first answer, she recognizes that her sole value is her body. That doesn't make a woman special.
That is the point that is trying to be made. There is no hatred, there is no pedestaling of sex.
The idea behind the promiscuity of women is that it is bad news for relationships. A promiscuous woman is likely to cheat. How good can her values be if she's shopping her body around?
Men and women are valued differently with regards to sex: men who have bedded a lot of women have more value in both a man and woman's eyes (because he has status, wealth, etc.) and women who have bedded a lot of men have less value because they are giving themselves away. It is by far easier for a woman to get sex at any given time regardless of how physically unattractive it is as compared to a comparable man.
10J18R1A 11y ago
With one point, I agree. If the first answer is "you get to have sex with me", then yeah, that's sex as trade, and not to be respected.
However, the rest of your post is nothing BUT putting pussy on a pedestal. It cannot go both ways. I get that through socialization it's seen differently...in no way does it make it correct, it just means we understand the analysis behind the socialization.
If a woman says the primary reason to be with her is sex, yeah, that's wrong...but in the same exact post, you're saying that sex is the primary reason to be with her.
Invalidity 11y ago
The problem is that you believe that linking your own value to your ability to win pussy is the act of putting pussy on a pedestal. It's a correlation. Your ability to get pussy is a much bigger indicator of your standing in society. That doesn't mean that pussy is on the pedestal, that is simply an indicator of how much pussy you can get because of who you are/what you have/etc.
When I am discussing male and female values, I am putting it with regards to sex and sex ONLY. This is not a person's overall value. This does not put pussy on the pedestal. A person's value is composed of many things, and sex happens to be one of them, but it isn't undeniably very important.
As an example, think about hookers/prostitutes/escorts/pornstars. They have a low sexual value because they are offering their bodies in exchange for currency. However, this also relates to other values too because sex is important in relationships.
10J18R1A 11y ago
We'll have to disagree on that one. The disagreement starts at "winning" pussy, and continues at the idea that the ability to have sex is an indicator of your standing in society. There's no way that ISN'T putting pussy on a pedestal. Even your statement about prostitutes/porn stars/etc. illustrates that point. If a woman has sex for any reason except self gratification, it's prostitution, whether it's attention, money, relationship, or a third date. But if she has sex simply because she wants to, she's shamed for that, too. That shame comes from guys who think their status comes from their ability to get pussy, because if they can't get the chance to win it , their own status in their eyes is lessened.
Invalidity 11y ago
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
blarsen80 11y ago
You white-knighting for him? He can defend his own point of view.
thomas41546 11y ago
He was never defending me, he was simply agreeing with some aspects of what I posted. Such a petty way to encourage conformity instead of trying to reason with clear rational thought.
blarsen80 11y ago
Using big words and grammatically correct sentences doesn't make your argument any stronger.
My issue with him was that I wanted YOU to defend your argument, which you have now done.
10J18R1A 11y ago
With that logic, everybody is white knighting everybody else.
blarsen80 11y ago
Not really. You could have presented your own interpretation of the comment without sounding like you were coming to the rescue.
10J18R1A 11y ago
So let me understand this: if I comment agreeing on a highly upvoted comment, it's cool, but if I comment agreeing on a highly downvoted comment, it's white knighting.
Got it.
blarsen80 11y ago
No, when you start trying to interpret what someone else has wrote and defending what YOU interpret their position to be, AND that person has made no attempt to defend themselves... THAT is white knighting.
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ATBlanchard 11y ago
There's a pretty good counter point made further down in the comments though though:
Jashinist 11y ago
She said she wouldn't fight it, so she recognises that doing so would make her a hypocrite. It's just a concern. I'm sure that the boyfriend could have concerns about her having a vibrator but he doesn't say anything because he doesn't think it's an overly big deal.
Just because you have concerns about something isn't wrong.
NAFI_S 11y ago
shouldnt she realise though that her husband may have concerns of competing with her own vibe though? And it would have the same detrimental effect on their sex life.
Jashinist 11y ago
Quite possibly; we don't have much context to go on.
Alternatively, what's to say that the husband doesn't enjoy the fact she has a vibrator, and integrates it into their sex life? He might enjoy watching her use it - so he could support her having the vibrator, but she might not feel the same way towards him having a flesh light and it just comes down to preference. Hell, perhaps the reason he never went and got one is because he doesn't feel inclined to.
I think in this case, we don't have enough information to judge. The fact that she recognises the potential for hypocrisy makes me think that her having a vibrator is an accepted part of their relationship already, not something she's hiding or holding over him.
RedBigMan 11y ago
Solipsism - I own that dick he should be sticking it in me not some toy!
iluminatiNYC 11y ago
Thank you for mentioning one of the reasons for my impending divorce. Apparently, one of my jobs was as a life support system for her dick. Then again, my soon to be ex wife having BPD didn't exactly help...
DisgruntledBadger 11y ago
I think you are reading a lot more into it than what she's saying, she understand it would only be fair for him to have one, she wouldn't even stop him, it sounds more like she just has a lack of self confidence that she would feel sexually threatened by it slightly.
Her having worries about stuff is perfectly normal, hey we all worry about something. Just some people feel the need to make something out of nothing because she voiced an opinion, seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction to her comment IMO.
LasherDeviance 11y ago
She's just saying it because that fleshlight probably feels better to him because she probably has a big pussy.
RedBigMan 11y ago
Yeah I meant mine as what the average woman thinks. Not necessarily her specifically.
Kimjungillestt 11y ago
Sounds like if she thinks she can't compete with a fleshlight that she has some insecurities
RPtooLate 11y ago
Sex toys have a very different social stigma for men and women for good reason. If a man has a sex toy, it's an indicator that he cannot get laid. Since we are RP we know what a devastating blow this is to a man's attractiveness. It's pretty much despicable to a woman. It's not the toy; it's the indicative social status.
However, for a woman it is a tool to quench her insatiable thirst without slutting it up. It shows that even though she needs sexual release that she is not going to lower her standards and has confidence that she will find an appropriate man in time. Of course, this assumes reasonable toys and frequency.
I believe this underlying thought process is why these things are viewed so differently. Of course it's not fair between the sexes.
1independentmale 11y ago
This thought process is ridiculous. Typically, men are the ones with the higher sex drive, and every man masturbates. Is that an indicator he cannot get laid? Of course not. What's the difference between jacking off into a sock and using a sex toy? Why is the latter any kind of social implication while the former is not? The end result is the same.
Not every woman has a problem with male sex toys. Some women get off on it. Just next anyone who applies that double standard to you.
redpilldude 11y ago
Ok, if a woman is worried about competing against a silicone toy, then she has no skills in the bedroom. This is retarded.
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Why worry? Its fun to warm her up or work her over with a toy. There is something better about someone doing it to you, or for you. I'm not concerned about a toy giving something I don't.
10J18R1A 11y ago
There are a lot of men making this same argument for themselves in this thread.
[deleted] 11y ago
They're just making the opposite argument using the logic of the linked post to show how it makes no sense.
10J18R1A 11y ago
I hope so, but I've heard that same argument from others and they were sincere. Damn you internet and no context!
Edit...there's a post in this thread that talks about a vibrator being "emasculating".
[deleted] 11y ago
Not quite.
Factually outside of the small percentage of men hung like show ponies most men simply CANT compete with the sizes of the toys available, or their range of action.
Not saying that they can complete replace a mans role, "Can it mow the lawn" and all that jazz, but in terms of satisfying a size queen (Read: Women) yeah, i'd say we have something to worry about
10J18R1A 11y ago
This falls to understand a few things:
1) It's not about competition.
1b) Sex for women (generally speaking) isn't a matter of physical size, it's a matter of 1- physical prowess and 2 - emotional connection. 2 is very important because women can get a dick pretty much on command , so something has to enhance that sex...otherwise, yeah, they can pull out the vibrator or the dildo, get off, and not have to deal with drama. (The counter for that goes for men who can get sex with ease like women can. )
Back to 1...yeah, if you're two or three inches, you better have a tongue like a gymnast. But a fair amount of women complain about those with huge dicks having no idea what to do and just banging around like a screen door in a tornado. Size may be a variable, but it's not the entire equation at all.
Being threatened by a dildo is like being threatened by a fleshlight , they're both equally insecure for exactly the same reasons.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
It's always about that emotional connection. You're totally right.
[deleted] 11y ago
I dunno most girls ive known have found it to be a matter of physical size.
Sure prowess comes in, but funnily enough a dildo is never gonna cum too quick and leave her wanting. It'll go as long as she needs it to.
The whole "He's got a big dick but doesnt know what to do with it" thing IMO is just their way of either A: Placating the small penised man they're trying to betafy (When discussing it with men) or B: Their way of snarking back at the big donged guy who wouldnt stick around after blowing his load (When discussing it with women)
10J18R1A 11y ago
Well, part of prowess is not cumming too quick.
Not to attempt to negate with personal experience, but I'm neither a small penised man or the snarkee. I know a lot of the time women say things that are either really false or that they truly believe , but I'm friends (as opposed to friend zoned) with a fair amount of women (some I've had sex with, some I haven't, all I didn't care whether I did or not) and that's pretty universal.
This thinking that dick size is a key component leads to betas sending dick pics all day...like look at my dick! Don't you want it? This gives me value! And it's all wrong. Again, yeah, you can't be hung like a Vienna sausage, but most of a woman's sensitive pleasure areas are located within the first three to four inches. Not only that, but they have babies...they wear tampons...it's not a matter of being the biggest thing she can put in there unless she's Amber Rayne. Technique and desire, neither of which takes being JackNapier.
SomersetRaglan 11y ago
LOL. You mean the kind she develops over the course of forty minutes at a frat party?
yea, the same way they complain about assholes who fuck them and leave. but fuck said assholes anyway.
10J18R1A 11y ago
Sure. SOME TYPE OF MENTAL CONNECTION. Tell me how well "hey, girl, let's fuck" works for you.
Unless every ass hole they're fucking ALSO is hung is like a giant, that point is invalid. But they're not, and let me tell you why...it's the mental that enhances the physical, not the other way around. Those assholes captured the mind, the pussy followed.
SomersetRaglan 11y ago
so first it was an emotional connection. now its a 'mental connection' whatever that means. it sounds like you're trying to say one needs to talk to a woman and get her to talk to you back before she'll sleep with you.
Groundbreaking.
Thats a PUA mentality, not a RP one. Those assholes didnt capture anything, they just had high status. You can trick a girl into thinking you have high status, but its better to actually have it.
And once you do, you really can open with 'hey lets fuck.'
10J18R1A 11y ago
Well, of course if you don't believe you have high status, then yeah, you might have to trick somebody into believing what you yourself don't believe.
Mental, emotional...what, do you think these are contradictory or something?
And no, it's not groundbreaking at all, which is WHY it's sad to see so many people in this thread missing the point.
Or maybe I'm missing the point of TRP , for I thought it was to be secure with ones self and not be passive and not put up with bullshit for the sake of ass.
What I'm getting is that it's perfectly fine to be insecure, just as long as you're bitter about it, too.
SomersetRaglan 11y ago
if your definition of 'connection' is human interaction then that's a pretty stupid definition.
theyre not contradictory, they're LITERALLY DIFFERENT WORDS.
as in, not synonyms.
theres no reason to bring your angst into it, i simply take issue with your whole 'emotional prowess' and 'physical connection' baloney.
10J18R1A 11y ago
And I take issue with the whole "dildos make me feel insecure because my dick isn't huge and women want eleven inches or more" baloney. No angst at all, just discussion.
Incidentally, synonyms are literally different words.
theegrimrobe 11y ago
sexist double standard Much ?
Fuck I hate cunts like this
Imagine the feminist gnashing outcry if somebody said ban dildos over 6 inches long as very few men can compete with that --- or ban vibrators as no human is able to do that with any body part
I'm a man, I own and use sex toys (flesh lights no as Im gay I don't see the appeal) I don't see an issue with anybody using things to enhance sexual pleasure or get off while alone
shaming men for using toys is wrong, end of fucking story
Still the same DS exists with porn and erotica
[deleted] 11y ago
They make butt and mouth ones. You could draw a little moustache on the mouth one if you wanted to!
charlie_bodango 11y ago
I'm so fucking jealous. Not having to deal with women hamstering bullshit to get laid? Talk about living the dream.
theegrimrobe 11y ago
It is pretty good, I have women as friends (albeit about as far from feminist as possible) but with not having to try and date them it is easier on the soul
kasp-throwaway 11y ago
Did you actually read it?
It's nowhere near as bad as the OP suggests, she qualifies it saying she wouldn't stop him because she isn't a hypocrite.
Shes a bit insecure but would allow him to do it. What about that makes her a cunt?
theegrimrobe 11y ago
She by making the comment she did tells us that she supports the double standard
PerniciousOne 11y ago
They want to keep the price artificially inflated so men will buckle under the provider role and marry the well used and abused women. This is why they dislike porn, male sex toys, and prostitution. They do not want the "desirable" men to have any other options. They could really care less about the undesirable men, but if they find alternatives the desirable men might catch on and not "marry" them.
iluminatiNYC 11y ago
Church!
theegrimrobe 11y ago
yup
[deleted] 11y ago
How else are they going to keep the price of poon high so they can leverage its marketability for personal gain?
theegrimrobe 11y ago
I know why they do it, and that makes it even worse
even as somebody not on the market for women it sickens me
[deleted] 11y ago
Yet it's cheaper than ever, as long as you have the right currency.
[deleted] 11y ago
Its cheap for alphas, and it always will be. But Alphas wont ever care to use anything like this because they get plenty of high quality sex from women who fall over themselves to please.
This is about keeping betas on the treadmill. If men dont need women our own needs are remarkably modest. The whole system will fall down if betas come off reservation
elevul 11y ago
The moment complete VR experience hits the market, things are gonna be so fun. I can't wait to see how the society changes when no man needs a real woman anymore.
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah exactly, they tell betas that pesos get poon when its dollars.
The moment they question this and say that maybe I should try something else, they get shamed to the abyss.
Got to keep those worker ants in line.
Retsaot35 11y ago
You know they make ones shaped like ass holes?
theegrimrobe 11y ago
i didnt ... i might have to look into that
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Alien colored assholes for the geek in you as well.
theegrimrobe 11y ago
Huh .... The things folk make
Still we live in the enlitened age of super fast Internet so I guess most anything is possible
rogueman999 11y ago
Chill there, mate. Her comment is actually quite balanced.
We study men/women here - you can't properly understand something you hate.
charlie_bodango 11y ago
He doesn't have to understand them! he's gay!
fopdespotic 11y ago
Interesting, though gays are typically naturally pretty redpill, I've never met a homosexual person who overtly endorses the ideology. Do you find the redpill environment hostile or welcoming when you reveal your orientation?
theegrimrobe 11y ago
To be honest generally quite neutral they don't seem to care
vengefully_yours 11y ago
You're not competition, not putting women on pedestals, so it makes sense. Aren't most homophobic guys repressing it in the closet anyway?
theegrimrobe 11y ago
Sometimes that is the case, there is so much social pressure on people of both sexes to be "normal" that going against the grain can be very hard it took me years to accept it in myself
G3nDis 11y ago
Fleshlights remind me of an old joke. What is the useless skin around a vagina? The woman. lol.
[deleted] 11y ago
Perfect Valentine's Day cold approach opener.
frazzleddd 11y ago
HAHAHA and these women will? The bitch is unhappy that her husband could feel satisfied without her. I'm sure if it gets hard she'll be right there with him
MockingDead 11y ago
On the contrary, a woman bails the second shit gets hard. A fleshlight is there on your worst day.
BaltoSquadGuy 11y ago
I want to gold this but I can't figure it out from my phone
MockingDead 11y ago
Don't give money to a website that will ban The red Pill the second they have an excuse. Instead, attempt to insinuate red pill knowledge amongst men, lead them from beta, and live well.
Also, have some reddit silver
lord_of_vader 11y ago
Yeah they're awesome.
Jaereth 11y ago
Saying you can't compete with a sex toy pretty much puts your value at ZERO! I can't even imagine how much of a shallow borderline retarded person you would have to be to have that claim be legitimate.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
I remember a similar hamster about abortion. A woman was shocked that a man wouldn't want to "man up" and take care of his kid if a woman had an oopsie he wasn't ready for. The next fucking sentence she says she was pro choice and would abort in that same situation.
Pr0xY1 11y ago
Hamstering at it's finest "He's allowed to use toys to have fun, as long as it isn't a replacement vagina, now excuse me while I get my fake dick to masturbate".
imhighnotdumb 11y ago
She said it's not a proper vibrating dildo but rather a small bullet.
NAFI_S 11y ago
Irrelevevent, Men dont have vibrating body parts and cant replicate that naturally.
iKill_eu 11y ago
To be fair that just strengthens her argument.
She doesn't own a replacement cock, she owns something that provides a function that her man can't. If anything, that's fair.
s0nicfreak 11y ago
They can use their fingers, which they can even do while their dick is in the woman's vagina. At least my husband can... all that video gaming did help him out in life after all I guess?
vengefully_yours 11y ago
He's a button masher eh?
NAFI_S 11y ago
haha
[deleted] 11y ago
Hah the ''see a therapist'' comment was -15.
machimus 11y ago
I'm pretty sure the point is that it doesn't talk.
[deleted] 11y ago
Are Fleshlights ever "not really in the mood right now, I've been at work all day and just want to get some sleep, and turn that light out"?
pericardiyum 11y ago
I've heard many women claim that fleshlights are "gross" and "disgusting" etc, yet they talk openly about how they have a collection of dildo's, and vibrators.
benczi 11y ago
Guess who just got a date for Valentine's day?!
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Demonspawn 11y ago
Get about a 4-5 inch bullet type vibrator. Play with her a bit, stick it in her pussy.
Then fuck her in the ass. As your dick goes in and out of her, you will be pressing the end of the vibrator against her G-spot and the vibrator will be tickling that super sensitive spot on your glans (where the two side come together just below the hole).
She will cum like a monster. You'll find out if she's a squirter. You'll cum pretty hard yourself.
You're welcome.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Meh, a bullet to help get her clit off probably doesn't hurt anything when done in moderation. But yeah a woman that owns some big ass double-wide dildo is an immediate next.
shooler00 11y ago
Does the dildo push her face into the bed and slap her ass and pull her by her shoulders into it while it rams her? Then flip her over and push her ankles past her ears and fill her up and call her a sexy little fucking slut while jamming one or two or its fingers in her mouth to suck on?
If you fuck her right the toy isn't an issue. In fact you can use it on her asshole while you beat her pussy up and that feels amazing on your cock.
DownVoteGuru 11y ago
Some men are asexual bro, I don't really give two shits about popping one, I do enjoy seeing a women get off more than an orgasm, as weird as that is. I don't know bro, sex isn't a big issue for me. I just like seeing people happy.
That is not to say what he said isn't retarded ofc.
fiat_lux_ 11y ago
Have you given/gotten foreplay before jumping in? Do you think a fleshlight can replace that?
Neither can a dildo replace that for women. Just gotta get over it.
Hurp4Derp4 11y ago
This. When i was a kid and got laid the first time my gf asked me to use her dildo on her after 15 min of bad sex. Didn't feel appreciated and i dumped her the next day. Didnt get my confidence back until i was 15.
iKill_eu 11y ago
How did you fuck a girl who owned a vibe before you were 15?
Hurp4Derp4 11y ago
It wasn't a vibe, it was just a silicon dildo that looked like jesus/a rabbit, she got it from her mom when her mom's gf moved in (Yeah, weird family). And i am from Sweden were most people loose their virginity at 14-16. So it wasn't that unusual.
iluminatiNYC 11y ago
Sounds like a girlfriend of mine from 11 years ago who got their daughter their own vibrators and dildos when they turned 13. Yikes!
iKill_eu 11y ago
A swedish redpiller?
Jesus christ I feel you man. Good luck and godspeed.
Hurp4Derp4 11y ago
It isn't so bad like everyone thinks, most of the feminists you see in Sweden are the only ones. Sweden is so equal, most people just think feminists are bitches that complain about petty shit.
ny2miami 11y ago
So many questions here....
Hurp4Derp4 11y ago
Want me to do an ama? You could just shoot any questions you got. I'm here to share and learn.
elderstorm 11y ago
Take the power of sex from women, and you'll see them for what they are. I say every man who's married get one.Women are the biggest hypocrites i've encountered.
[deleted] 11y ago
I love how she clearly knows how full of shit she's being... and yet, still makes the comment anyway.
bigbuzd1 11y ago
So she better chop off his hands too. reminds me of my ex...loved taking nude pics of me, sent the pics to playgirl, they wanted more photos, but then she got upset with me over it and refused to let me send them.
porcia918 11y ago
Isn't there a single male toy besides the fleshlight that even comes close to the real thing?
Think of the time, energy & money that guys could save by satisfying themselves whenever they wanted.
On male toy usage...Other people's opinions of whatever you do are irrelevant if you truly do not care.
1independentmale 11y ago
Not really. I have a fleshlight. It's okay.
I also have a Venus 2000. It's basically a hands-free fleshlight, just put it on, lay back and enjoy the ride. It's an improvement, for sure - I haven't touched the fleshlight since buying it - but it still doesn't compare to a real woman.
porcia918 11y ago
The Venus 2000 looks pretty good. I can see how complicated it is to create the right sensations.
I guessed at the price before looking - ~$850 Whoever can invent the ultimate male toy would be a Billionaire.
[deleted] 11y ago
lol, how delusional
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah, I laughed at that as well...
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desalinate 11y ago
There are many retards out there. Don't think blue pill example as much as just a retarded commenter
Freshtowels 11y ago
A mans hand provide more friction and direct pleasure that the walls of a vagina. Should we ban masturbation. Or perhaps she could be something that fleshlight cannot. Engaging and human
bama79rolltide 11y ago
"I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams."
Says who?
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