A good friend of mine gave me this advice and it could well have already been given here, but I'm posting it anyway as it seems useful.
If you have a one night stand with some random woman from a bar or something, take her out to Breakfast the next day. Yes, I know that's going to be awkward, and I know that you want to be 'alpha' by not spending your money, but this helps reduce the chances of you being falsely accused of anything illegal because what kind of rape or sexual assault victim goes out for food with their attacker the day after? I know you may think that the chances of a problem are very low, but if you are bringing some girl home from a bar and she has been drinking, you don't know what her hamster will tell her in the morning.
TL:DR: Take her out for breakfast because then it makes it much less likely a rape charge would win in court
scarletspider3 7y ago
Remember, Mike Tyson said he probably wouldn't have been charged with rape if he had just driven the girl home afterwards.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
Indeed, its not a big ask and it goes a lot of the way to covering you, both legally and phycologically with the girl
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Another idea is the night before while she's utterly ripped you prop her up on the couch, put a pen in he hand and make her sign a sexual consent contract. Voila: Do whatever the hell you like with no reprecussions.
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Terrible advice: the post aggressive / technically consensual sex breakfast is not going to save you.
What I do is assume a distinct alias for each of my plates. For example if I'm seeing Sheila I am "Peter Jones," an insurance claims adjuster who is originally from Arkansas and therefore has a southern accent. I've got an Excel spreadsheet that includes my alias and historic details etc. for each plate.
After I smash my plate, if I get the sense that she's the type of girl who is predisposed to be issuing faulty accusations of sexual assault at a guy who fucks her after she says "no" verbally, despite clearly wanting it anyway, well then all I have to do is take my alias offline and radically alter my appearance by say not wearing glasses I don't need and removing the fake moustache.
This may sound like a lot of work but it's worth it when you consider how many diner breakfasts I have not had to pay for over the years.
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Depending on which state you live in and the laws, also be wise to wear a secret voice recorder on you at all times. Then if something does happen, immediately make a forensic hash of the recording, upload a sample to virustotal to get a timestamp, and publish the hashes on pastebin, and reupload a copy of the raw audio to Internet Archive and also keep yourself a copy on something like SpiderOak. And make some local copies too. Including burning to archival quality blu-ray like an M-Disc. Use something like MultiPar to make it redundant for error correction against bit rot before you burn to disc. Better safe than sorry, always CYA.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
Thanks for the reddit gold dude, and yep, the recording device advice is key. You can get an app on your phone or use a chinese recording device that goes to a microsd too depending on the laws of your country/ state.
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gnomehome815 7y ago
Or you could just not rape or sexually assault a woman. That works pretty well too.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
Apparently not. That's what the whole thread is about.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
Pretty sure that wouldn't do a thing to prevent false allegations....
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[deleted] 7y ago
One night stands don't know my last name.
Not too concerned.
I have gone out to breakfast with some when I was hungry and pumped for some mimosas.
Some I have kicked out. Some have snuck out in the morning.
Honestly this shit gets over estimated. It's probably more likely that you'll get run over by a car than get a false rape charge from a chick that liked you.
PtolemySpinola 7y ago
OP is actually very very correct. I had a buddy that hooked up with a mutual friend of ours and she accused him of rape despite the fact that they didn't do anything sexually. She felt bad and offered him a blow job and he said no. Yet, still accused him. How he got the charges dropped was the fact that he took her to Starbucks the next morning. Not that it deterred it from happening, but the lawyers used the footage from the Starbucks' security cameras to acquit the charges. Why would said rapist and said victim casually go out for coffee the next morning and seem totally cool? Unfortunately, AWALT.
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JackGetsIt 7y ago
Why so many 'save money' comments in this thread? Breakfast is cheap as fuck and with the false rape hysteria anything helps. Especially if you feel like you need extra insurance. Maintenance text, breakfast, courtesy snuggle time, video/pic of her having a great time before/after, dash cam of sexual intent conversations... You want as much provable evidence as possible of consent.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
Loads of guys here think that the $3 early bird special is too much to ask , because 'alpha fux, beta bux', not understanding that this does not mean you have to spend literally 0.
NYCSPARKLE 7y ago
Girl got $18 eggs and $8 green juice the first (and last) time I did this.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
That's on you, dude. Don't even.
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JackGetsIt 7y ago
That's why you take her to the early dirty bird slut special at your local greasy spoon restaurant. Of course she might complain you raped her because she wasn't able to order organic free range sustainable egg white and soy breakfast salad crapes and mimosa bullshit. In the modern tumblr feminists mind bacon and eggs is somehow patriarchal oppression. I'm sure there's a feminist blogger out there explaining this for us.
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"Hey, wanna grab a coffee?" $5.
Woujo 7y ago
I take girls out to breakfast the next day because it's fun and I like brunch.
Is that ok guys? Or is that not alpha?
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juliusstreicher 7y ago
I think he was being witty...I think.
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JamesBruceGamble 7y ago
If a girl enjoys dinner, she'll take him to fuck. If the guy enjoys the fuck, he takes her to breakfast. I thought everyone did it this way???
Aarxnw 7y ago
There's probably people who'd say it's not but fuck all of that, if you wanna go out for breakfast fucking do it, nothing wrong with it at all.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
If you do, snapchat/instagram/whatever you use, it, so that taken with photos from the night before, people get the message; assuming you want people to know that is
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Your routine of drinking mimosas with your brunch girlfriends is the least of your worries. You're unemployed, balding and hang around "beta orbiters." Are you George Costanza?
Woujo 7y ago
No actually I make six figures, and I fuck way hotter girls than you ever will.
any other questions?
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Ah yes, six figures at Vandelay Industries as an architect. Your submission history shows otherwise, Koko.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 7y ago
your response is even more childish than the guy you responded to.. you might be george castanza after all
harsha_hs 7y ago
Important. Never ever under estimate hamster. It'll spin
thewrightstuff88 7y ago
This also runs along the lines of cuddling with her after sex so she doesn't feel as slutty and lessens the buyers remorse
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prodigy2throw 7y ago
What kind of autistic shit did I just read? Lol
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
It's called good advice. A smart man values it.
You can stop using the word "autistic" now. This isn't 4chan.
prodigy2throw 7y ago
No the post was literally written by "autismus"
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
Ok, I had no idea. Ignore my comment.
(Just came from another thread here where someone was throwing that word around, but with a very different intent) ;)
rebuildingMyself 7y ago
rigbed 7y ago
Save the receipt and take pictures of her enjoying your time together
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IblizTrigga 7y ago
I remember some time ago GLO made a great post stating that making a bitch breakfast is a good way to avoid FRA (false rape allegation).
From my perspective, it's easier to convince a court that "he forced me into the car and drove me to a cheap diner" than "he forced me to eat the bacon and eggs he made".
ZT3V3N 7y ago
Don't listen to these fuckers here saying it won't change their mind. It's a solid defence in law. Get the morning after text and breakfast. A $30 breakfast is better than a life ruined by a rape conviction.
SleekLuigi 7y ago
why not just have breakfast because breakfast is fucking amazing?
[deleted] 7y ago
So much this. Imagine living a life where proposing to take someone for breakfast is considered threadworthy.
SleekLuigi 7y ago
Maybe I'm missing the purpose of this sub, but how much hurt does one have to be to relegate breakfast as a means to avoid a rape accusation? what sort of women are these guys laying with for this to be a thought? I'd want to go to breakfast because I like eating with company. The fuck.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Do you live in a cave or you parents basement?
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flashbang123 7y ago
If her friends or boyfriend find out she was slutting it up she may have to change her mind. Breakfast means nothing.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
They op isn't trying to convince the cuck or the girl. He's about convincing a jury.
bigcitytruth 7y ago
This is overkill. All you have to do is sleep over, and then wake up early, while she's still asleep. While you're putting on your shoes, she'll wake up. Tell her you have a lot of work to do. Don't be cold. Be warm, snuggly, nice, etc. Kiss her on her forehead.
Then, a couple hours later, send a warm, kind-hearted "maintenance text" that says how "Last night was awesome [smiley face]" or "Still thinking about how hot you looked" etc.
She'll respond kindly. Text a couple times back & forth. Boom. You have your safety net, and you didn't waste time & money on a bullshit breakfast.
NYCSPARKLE 7y ago
I wouldn't use emojis. And I wouldn't complement her.
"Had a great time last night"
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Did I say emoji? I didn't say emoji. I said smiley face. I actually meant winky face. Looks like this
;)
or
;-)
Fedor_Gavnyukov 7y ago
bro
Bullfrog777 7y ago
You probably don't know where the original reference came from but don't embarrass yourself by posting a very low quality image macro.
https://youtu.be/rTzO-_Yl4d0
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[deleted] 7y ago
Just getting a "had a great time tonight" text from her is enough to dispel all those worries, and save yourself some cash
crush-it-snort-it 7y ago
Yeah just unlock her phone and send it to yourself.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
True, but that's harder to get if you don't know her number for instance. I've had an ONS where I didn't even bother to get the number (was pretty drunk)
my_sfw_alias 7y ago
Numbers!? I don't even want to know names.
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Get the number anyway. If she's hesitant, then you're already in the clear.
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In the case it's a one night stand, I don't think you have to worry, especially if she doesn't have your full name, or anything like that. As long as you didn't do anything really fucked up.
Some women actually want to be pumped and dumped. I met a chick on tinder and I only had her snapchat and tinder. We had sex and she blocked me off both, after saying she had a fun time. lol
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
I didn't do anything even the slighest bit dodgy, but it was at my place, so she would know my address , and hence I would be v easily identifiable for example (this was months ago so nothing came of it, just an example)
Fedor_Gavnyukov 7y ago
not if you film her sucking your dick
redaftrp 7y ago
If you decide later you want to plate her, it leaves her with just a little bit of sweetness to remember, otherwise, she will remember you as that ONS she had breakfast with. The plausible deniability is a great comfort if she tries to accuse you later.
FallToRise 7y ago
I go out for breakfast the next morning all the time, not for those reasons but I guess that's a bonus. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I don't but I go because I'm hungry and not wanting to cook and it's a cool little spot where we all know each other. If the girl can hold a conversation and is chill why not? Don't mind paying sometimes either, it's cheap, I make good $ and I'm not afraid of a beta trait here and there. If having breakfast with her turns her off, lol not my problem.
TheCeilingisGreen 7y ago
I think people get this impression here that being alpha is always screwing people over. Who cares if you pay? You just fucked this chick. It's breakfasts its not a $300 date.
PatsFever 7y ago
I'm starting to think half this sub are betas that can't hang in corporate world. Skip a few delt days and get those earnings up if cost of breakfast is even a thought.
[deleted] 7y ago
half this sub (probably much more) are pure keyboard jockeys who don't do jack shit in the real world, and just rehash the same old bullshit they read online.
crush-it-snort-it 7y ago
Lol, REALLY people, any breakfast chain is the CHEAPEST AND BIGGEST MEALS i have ever had, better value and healthier than fast food. Breakfast chains are the fucking shit.
TheCeilingisGreen 7y ago
I can't shit on people though because this sub to me is us trying to figure things out. It's true we live in a feminized society. It's true women are ruthless. But I once heard a Muslim say that the woman was made from Adams rib. So if you attempt to bend her you will break her. This hating on women stuff instead of accepting our reality is really backwards to me. They're biologically wired to be this way. Work on yourself. Being cruel is antisocial and is nothing to be proud of. I know there's a lot of dudes that want revenge. Awesome. Outgrow it though. I'm not perfect either. I fall short in areas others here excel. But i don't want this place to be an echo chamber of weakness. Besides the getting pussy part there are a lot of conversations related to stoicism and self work. Red pill is really a positive thing for us.
NightwingTRP 7y ago
Breakfast won't save you. Waste of money. She'll just go how she was intimidated into doing what you told her to do. Or she reluctantly went along because she didn't want to anger you etc.
The text message is the best thing to get. Something which gets her saying how she had fun etc because it's practically impossible to twist that type of evidence.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
But she is much less likely to hamster this after breakfast.
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skipennsylvania 7y ago
Best way is to mic your bedroom so you can hear her voice consenting
DesignerTom 7y ago
Take a photo of her smiling with her face full of food maybe?
goldnhorde 7y ago
How is this different when she says "he intimidated me into writing a text to make it appear as everything was fine"?
I'm not trying to just throw darts, but just a devil's advocate question.
NightwingTRP 7y ago
Because that's easier to disprove. When she says it about breakfast, you'd need to take her somewhere with CCTV but even then she can say she's faked her smile.
With the text, they can check the telecoms info to see where she sent the text from. So if she says you intimidated her into it, they can read the text exchange and find out whether you were physically together. If you weren't and the text exchange reads as casual, then that's about as convincing as it gets that she's bullshitting.
balalasaurus 7y ago
Good to see you round these parts my man.
NightwingTRP 7y ago
You too. I notice you've been MIA... almost as badly as me.
rigbed 7y ago
Texts are good but the courts side with the women nevertheless. Make money for having a lawyer
NightwingTRP 7y ago
There is no 100% foolproof way due to modern rape hysteria. However the text is by far and away the best we've got.
Praecipuus 7y ago
Jesus fucking Christ. There should be a sticky 24/7 on how to leave the US. No man deserves to have to deal with those laws.
Askada 7y ago
You are kinda joking but I have to say as long as I respect all the advice given here, it's not the first time I'm reading similar thing and shaking my head unwittingly.
As a man living in middle Europe I'm FUCKING TERRIFIED how you portray things to be in the US if you actually need to implement and use strategies like that. I'm not saying shit like that never happens here, or women are different here (they are not, AWALT), but rather society and courts don't buy bullshit. That would just sound really stupid in my country. Neither I, nor any of my friends, relatives or even people I know, have ever in our fucking lifes been anywhere close to the false rape accusation. Good god.
gnomehome815 7y ago
The US is not like this. This is a very small subset of men who believe they need to protect themselves from rape charges because they exert dominance through aggression towards women. Mix that with alcohol and you're gonna have a bad time. If you don't force situations into sexual encounters either explicitly or through the 35D mental chess game you feel the need to play, you are not going to face allegations of sexual assault or rape.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Almost all rape accusers fucked a simpering mangina. Chads fuck women and use them like dirty diapers and almost never get accused. You are simply wrong.
Woujo 7y ago
What the fuck are you basing this on?
rigbed 7y ago
My court case which just ended with no trial and my mother in jail
Woujo 7y ago
??? ok I have no idea what happened there but you can't generalize based on individual cases.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
The best thing you can do is take multiple steps so that you are covered on as many angles as possible. Obviously, get the text if you can, but the best thing to do imho is to cover as many possible angles as possible. She can easily claim you forced her to go to breakfast or that you made her write out the text as you sat there, but claiming a series of events was forced is going to look increasingly like the lie it would be.
redaftrp 7y ago
Save the receipt and send the text after you get home.
rigbed 7y ago
We had evidence that it was consensual with texts but the court ignored evidence. Maybe an exception but it can happen
Sandman616 7y ago
I'm confused. Did your mom rape someone?
rigbed 7y ago
I'm illustrating how fucked up the justice system is. My ex got mad at my mom and included her in my accusation statement for no reason and my mom got effed over despite being innocent
crabpipe 7y ago
we need the full story here - how did you escape jail but your mother did not?
rigbed 7y ago
A technically illegal coercive plea deal the district attorney set
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 7y ago
Congrats on avoiding jail yourself. Sorry to hear about your mother. I hope she isnt inside for too long.
What justification did the court use to ignore the text messages?
If you theoretically were to have recorded the sex with video or audio would that have made any difference for your defence?
I might buy a watch with a microphone for one night stands. I came close to being accused a few years ago (didnt even have sex or anything with the girl) and it still gives me nightmares.
rigbed 7y ago
The worst thing in anything that goes to court is: people don't care about justice, they are about making their stints as attorneys magistrates etc look as productive as possible. A rape charge looks better with someone charged than the whole case dismissed
Solon64 7y ago
Actually, probably wouldn't help to have video or audio.
There have been several recent cases where the man did have actual hard evidence that it was consensual, and the evidence was dismissed on the grounds of "protecting the emotional health of the girl/her family." The video was considered too traumatic for the girl and was dismissed as evidence.
Yeah.
Let that sink in for a second.
Your best bet is to not get involved with women at bars in the first place.
wn36 7y ago
Fuck her as hard and as good as you can, wipe your dick on her sheets, kiss her on the forehead and leave. Fuck breakfast.
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I prefer to wipe my dick on her forehead.
reecewagner 7y ago
Bad post. There's nothing worthwhile being accomplished in buying you breakfast that buying you dinner the night before wouldn't have already done, and if I'm not willing to pay for your company then, I'm sure as hell not doing it after I already fucked you.
In fact, what are you still doing in my bed the next morning?
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
Turfing girls out at 3am-how to make them feel slutty 101 and how to get their Hamster to justify a false rape claim 101
Aarxnw 7y ago
That comment wasn't even worth responding to lol
reecewagner 7y ago
No one said anything about turfing, unless you're that socially daft. Perhaps others have experienced different anecdotally, but I'm not living my life or conducting myself sexually to solely avoid false rape claims. 0 for 51 so far.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
'turfing out' is an english phrase for 'throwing out'.....
reecewagner 7y ago
I know what it means, what I'm expressing is that you don't need to throw a girl out for her to leave your house not feeling used. I do it tactfully several times a week, with zero repercussions and zero breakfast tabs.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
It's not possible to get every girl to leave in the middle of the night multiple times voluntarily, especially if you happen to live somewhere that is not a major urban city
reecewagner 7y ago
That's your experience and not mine bud. It's entirely possible.
Edit: Sure, downvote because you're shitty. Whatever.
WhorehouseVet 7y ago
If I have her phone number, I would text her that I had a great night. Then I'd ask her to reply back with a text right away, keeping it fun.
Peter_B_Long 7y ago
you ask her to text you, when she's in front of you?
WhorehouseVet 7y ago
Yes, while we are in the same room. Pretend it's like a game. Joke that you know how women love to text to get her to text you back.
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That makes the text message worthless in the court of law if she says "he sent that text right in front of me and asked me to text him back. I was scared I thought he would hurt me if I didn't so I just sent him the message" etc
WhorehouseVet 7y ago
Hmm, good call, I didn't think of that.
RetiredTimeHo 7y ago
Now she's got you for rape and kidnapping.
lol jk some of you guys are really fucking extra about this accused rape bullshit. yes it's a possibility but come the fuck on. you guys act like it's a common occurrence. a lot of this false rape bullshit is fearmongering and way overblown
NihilistMonkey 7y ago
It's also a great way to turn an ONS into a plate, if you're into that.
Ovadox 7y ago
Exactly. Besides, if she isn't worth keeping around for more than one fuck it may be time to reconsider your standards.
BullshittingNonsense 7y ago
I dunno. There was that recent case of a rape case where the guy was drunker than the girl and he got charged.
cashmoney_x 7y ago
Or, fleshlight, video games and none of the bs.
TheGreatPompey 7y ago
That is called 'how to be an incel' lol, there is a subreddit for that
thy_brokenwings 7y ago
You should be cautious, but some of you guys are just way to paranoid. Go to breakfast to finish on terms where everyone's relaxed and happy. Perhaps practice you convo skills in a no-pressure environment and possibly even increase your network for possible future gain. Plus breakfast food is the best! but hey maybe im to beta, meh. Plus if your really worried about that sort of thing depending on the state download a good passive app and record your conversation, weird and creepy but 100% effective.
Peter_B_Long 7y ago
I've been in an LTR since discovering TRP last year, but I I've told myself that if i ever do a one night stand (or even have sex for the first time with any girl) I would record the audio on my cellphone.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Make sure single-party consent is legal in your jurisdiction. "Proof" that isn't admissible in court is worthless, and unlawful recording opens you a new legal can of worms.
gokurakumaru 7y ago
Worst case scenario you leak the recording to her social group to discredit her, and if that's not enough to make her retract her claim you then leak it publicly. What would you rather be prosecuted for?
Peter_B_Long 7y ago
sheesh I didn't think of that.
plasticslug 7y ago
Some may agree or disagree, but when a girl called me over drunk off her fucking ass a few weeks ago, I went to "save" her as I was able to unlock her door and peel her off front apartment porch.
Of course she was touchy and wanted to held/cuddled, and I was a bit buzzed prior so we just kind of chilled for a bit, while she put her brain together. Now to be honest I had no business cuddling with her, lol but she didnt seem to care and neither did I and I left within 2 hours.
Regardless the next day I showed up with breakfast for her, it was a way to break the ice, chat, and make sure she had her thoughts together (which she did) and more importantly my name was clean. We no longer have a "friend like" relationship. I was really put off by the whole experience but it at least covered my ass.
darksoldierk 7y ago
What? I've seen court cases where the man has text messages of her consenting and he still was accused and convicted. You think taking her out for breakfast is going to protect you? No.
Ovadox 7y ago
Some evidence in your favor is def better than none.
jrdnsln 7y ago
"Anyone who comes in my room is being recorded" - Dennis, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1nsMy-kVEg