It's best not to comment there. Just thought you might like to see what's going on.
Apparently, we're NiceGuys (tm) the popular meaning of which is that we are nice to women and then get angry when they don't have sex with us.
And the concept of alpha/beta is flawed because it only applies to animals and, you know, humans are different
And my favorite, the requisite, anyone who disagrees with me is a virgin
[deleted] 11y ago
The thing that gets me is, bigger picture aside, no one asks "Well, does it work?". As if we're all here strictly out of theoretical hatred of women or something, instead of a selfish need to get better at understanding relationships between the sexes.
You know, the first time I "threw" (IE, acted confident, disagreed, flirted, and was playful) some game at girls and it worked, well hey it could have been a coincidence. And then it worked again. And again. Girls would not just want to date me, they would actively talk up cheating despite having a boyfriend (even when their boyfriend was my friend [No, I didn't do it]), or mocking their boyfriend, who has done nothing more than be attentive and nice to her. And I'm not talking trashy women either, I'm talking about educated upstanding middle class women.
I can't believe we live in a world where it is controversial to suggest that the different sexes might have different views on life and relationships and attraction. Its absurd. We've been told to shun traditional wisdom about sex for the new total equality. It is almost Orwellian. As if every gender difference between the two different genders was some hateful construction of old white men. There's no such thing as human nature, we're all plastic.
I don't really care though. People want to make excuses to stay out of shape, to stay in debt, to stay unhappy, to have poor relationships, so be it. Not my business. Keep hatin.
MrCheeze 11y ago
So basically, you're saying you guys are /r/seduction with a vengeance.
That... doesn't really make it any better.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
bedfordfalls 11y ago
I prefer: "Reality doesn't owe us comfort." ~ Richard Dawkins
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah, although i might agree with redpill, this is a meh statement.
Lots of falsehoods stay at the first or second stage, so this is pretty bad "test of truth".
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
This is not a test of whether or not something is true. That's what evidence is for (and we here at TRP have plenty of that already).
This is merely a retrospective observation of how people respond to truths.
[deleted] 11y ago
This is a good thing. Even if they are trying to make fun of this sub a few of them will actually read it and realize that the things that we talk about are happening around them.
zionController 11y ago
So thats how plugged in people speak to eachother. Its like they're stuck in a cave or something...
FountainsOfFluids 11y ago
It's an echo chamber.
mayonasa 11y ago
Yeah, but not in a man-cave where women only come in to serve us drinks, amirite?
[deleted] 11y ago
We also accept steak, and blowjobs.
gotsickfromweed 11y ago
The Nice Guy comment.... I have zero idea how they got that from this sub. Surely GLANCING at the sidebar would show that we encourage the complete opposite of 'nice guy' behaviour?
Goes to show that 'Nice Guy' has evolved into a catch-all insult for any man a woman deems as unnattractive
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
It's just a general purpose insult. It's lost all original meaning.
thebizzle 11y ago
I think it has become analogous to neckbeard or shitlord. They use it as a stand in for a man who expects his relationships with women to work as a barter system and is disappointed when it does not.
5F42DE47BC 11y ago
How is it possible to be nice and hate filled?
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Ex-Nice Guys, perhaps.
RedHonest 11y ago
"Nice Guy" was originally a term meant to invoke a bit of cognitive dissonance among women, to get them to look at their own dating histories and note that none of the guys they spent any attention on could be classified as a "nice guy".
Well, hell hath no fury as the feminine imperative's scorn, and backlash has been to turn the term "nice guy" into a pejorative.
DavidTIntellectual 11y ago
So it's the new "creep"?
josephtkach 11y ago
I just found out I have never talked to a woman for longer than three minutes!
FountainsOfFluids 11y ago
I just found out I'm not self-aware!
SpawnQuixote 11y ago
Congrats!
DinosBiggestFan 11y ago
Ahhh, Mystery Men.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
The girl I've been dating for 3 months and screwing like animals? All in my head!
westcoastwiking 11y ago
Oh mercy, the projection in that thread!
They have this picture in their minds of "alpha males" as loud, domineering, selfish and happily incapable of forming a lasting bond with a mate.
Shit guys, they're onto us. Being loud, selfish and 'happily' misanthropic is our core mantra.
They do make one decent point though; there's a certain amount of "bitter boys" in here. That's going to be this philosophy's Achilles' heal.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Try and focus less on "feminism sucks", and more on constructive TRP analysis. (There's MRA subs for feminism bashing, if you are so inclined!)
FountainsOfFluids 11y ago
I've been trying to say that, too. People need to be called out on their negativity. Bashing women is not helpful. Men and women are different, and the point of this whole topic is to help both be more happy by offering an explanation as to why gender roles makes sense, right? Not saying women are inferior, but that women don't fulfill male roles ideally, and men don't fulfill female roles ideally. That doesn't have to come off as hatred toward women.
hobodick 11y ago
I'm one of those bitter dudes. So far, luckily, I have been called out for my negativity and I've really appreciated it. Keep it up!
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
You're my favorite success story!
hobodick 11y ago
It's all thanks to you!! I wouldn't call it a success quite yet, still have a ways to go, but I swallowed that pill and doing my best to keep it down.
VZPurp 11y ago
It's a rough transition for many. As long as one doesn't remain bitter, I don't think it's abnormal.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
How bitter people become when they read these theories will have no effect on the philosophy.
Feminism is one of the loudest facets of the feminine imperative. To ignore it would be unwise.
Frankly, the only thing we need to avoid in the future is concern trolling. Anybody who comes here with the idea of "making the movement better" by silencing any part of it is a detriment to the theory.
Luckily, I'm in charge and we won't see that happening.
If you believe bitter is the wrong way to go- I encourage you to try to help the bitter users.
I'm sure being bitter probably isn't the most efficient way to finding happiness, but it's a personal choice. Some men move into the woods and want nothing to do with people. I say, fair game.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
It's worth pointing out that emotions aren't arbitrary, they're instincts. Emotions are how we perceive our instincts. A rational person doesn't deny their emotions (saying for example, "dude, stop being bitter") but he also doesn't blindly follow them (saying, "I'm bitter and that's valid and everyone else can fuck off").
People feel bitter, I think, when their inputs produce seemingly random outputs. The purpose of this instinct, I believe, is to motivate us to create a theory of system - that is, to organize what we know about the system so that we can make predictions about it.
I remember learning to drive a manual transmission. I was told what to do in specific circumstances, but whenever I'd encounter a new situation, I didn't know what to do. I would stall, or I'd be told, "you're lugging it!" and it was very frustrating because I didn't understand why.
My dad drew for me a diagram of an engine, clutch, and transmission. That was all it took for me to understand everything. It gave me a theory of the system, and internal representation that I could reference. I didn't need to remember if-then rules for every possible situation, I could quickly deduce the right thing to do using the theory.
Guys are out there are desiring healthy, rewarding relationships with women. They want sex, they want purpose, they want to love and be loved. People demonize them constantly and cruelly. It's so shitty to say, "oh you just think you're entitled to sex!" - nobody thinks they're entitled. They just want to understand why they're failing.
People follow them around with random advice and disjoint rationalizations. "Oh just be yourself." "Well no, don't be yourself, that was creepy." "Well, creepy is defined as being creepy." "Look, just be yourself!" "She cheated on you because you didn't meet her needs, you have to make a girl feel special." "That other girl left you because you're such a pushover."
They're bitter because they don't understand. It's not a choice, it's a result. It's an instinct that motivates them to systematize. Even if TRP isn't totally accurate, there is clearly some truth to it, and that makes it better than the hollow advice you get elsewhere.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
Indeed. I suppose I'm talking more about after swallowing, some people don't want the new goals. MGTOW decided that if blue pill marriage isn't a reality, they'll have no part in mating.
At a certain point, the bitterness is less a reaction, and more a choice not to change your goals.
And that choice is one each person will have to make for themselves.
Obviously people's goals will have to change to meet the new information they learn here, if they don't want to be bitter.
I consider myself somewhat bitter. The conditions of my life are currently ones I cannot change (at the moment), and because of this, the goal posts for me might include going my own way (or fucking fat feminists). I choose not to resign to a life of celibacy, so instead I remain bitter until the day I can change the variables. (Expatriate)
Downvote-Connoisseur 11y ago
Still, we should put a positive spin on how we present our arguments. Red Pill should be explained as a way to understand, and thus succeed in, society and relationships. It's a life enhancing alternative.
The reason people often prefer to stay "plugged in" is because they don't want to swallow a bitter pill. We have to emphasize the benefits of being Red Pill.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I invite you to be positive and lead by example.
That is the only way to encourage change.
The only thing I really resist is forceful change via shaming language or "we shouldn't" language. Censorship is the tool of the feminine imperative.
[deleted] 11y ago
As with anything else, once the ideology ignores reality to further itself for the sake of it, that's when it fails. Never get divorced from reality, stand on guard for extremism.
soapjackal 11y ago
I would be a lot more open to disagreements about TRP if they could figure out why assholes get women, 50% of marriages fail, and why we're anti-suffagists so goddamn accurate about the future without taking any data from here.
If you have evidence that will disprove points on this subreddit, good. If you have rational points that will disarm the subreddit, also good. Ad hominem and strawman attacks? Not so good.
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soapjackal 11y ago
I don't have the links on hand, some Redpill source (I think it might have been cap capitalism or heartise mentions them) but the one of hand was
"women were more inclined toward legal enforcement of morality"
And that they accurately guessed that he voting away of freedoms for security programs would occur.
To be fair you could argue that feminism and consumerism were bigger factors then the woman's vote, I'm just still impressed by the predictions.
I'll look for them,I'll let you know when I find them.
[deleted] 11y ago
Lol, I'm a nice guy ~
Honestly, I find it hilarious that people with nothing to back up an argument just have to resort to shaming. It's like a fucking preschool bully... "Teacher! Johnny called me Poopy Pants! Teacher!"
[deleted] 11y ago
We all know you're a fedora wearing virgin neckbeard Nice Guy.^^^TM
[deleted] 11y ago
Fuck... who DOXXED ME!!!?!?!?
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
So, Tokyo Pickup is all the reddit users!
[deleted] 11y ago
Let me know when any one of them does a reasonable counterargument to our points without any shaming language or insults.
30303030303030 11y ago
I grew tired of these re-posts in here. If someone wants to argue that there is no certain behavioral pattern (alpha) that makes women very attracted towards and there is no certain behavioral pattern (beta) that women shit on no end no matter how much evidence we all can see in every day life and on various subreddits like /r/relationships then really, waste of the keyboard.
VZPurp 11y ago
Didn't you know? All behaviours are equal and responded to in the same fashion. Just be yourself. Play nice and we can all just be friends.
SpawnQuixote 11y ago
ANNYWAAAAYYYY
Shut the fuck up!
Let's be bff's.
Deldar 11y ago
Sarcasticus 11y ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you , then you win. - Gandhi
theubercuber 11y ago
That was fantastically inspiring... I think we are transitioning from laughing to fighting. Still lots of laughing though...
[deleted] 11y ago
On the Internet. Not so much in real life where we're gaming hot chicks, spinning plates, and holding harems. There the "hating" is a lot closer to jealousy.
hobodick 11y ago
I feel like Copernicus. The people believed the universe moved around the earth, and they had a mathematical system to predict where the planets were headed. It wasn't 100% accurate, and deviations were ascribed to supernatural phenomena. Copernicus realized that the planets moved around the sun, and all of a sudden everything fell into place and his system was more accurate. Things could be predicted, and it helped lead us into the scientific revolution.
JamesRyder 11y ago
People are starting to wake up and see that the over feminisation of society is:
a) harming men
b) the direct result of women complaining there are "no good men around"
Basically, if feminists hadn't taken over schools and politics we wouldn't be in this mess. It's cultural Marxism and Feminism is the tool to implement that, by first convincing the women it's in their best interests and then figuratively castrating men so they can't resist it.
The government can already arrest and detain you without trial, and can seize your personal property on a mere domestic violence accusation.