Edit: please read slowly, to absorb everything. Activate your mindfulness.
Haven't looked at porn since the 10th of December. Will never watch it again.
I haven't looked at porn even once. Sometimes I get the urge to masturbate, WHICH IS NORMAL. I have masturbated about twice in those days, I do have a girlfriend to have sex with, blowjobs, etc.
Just said to myself, "Porn will destroy me. Masturbation is normal, natural and healthy. Porn is fake, it's unreasonable. It's breaking down my social fiber, it's making me scared to talk to women, it's filling my head with dirty thoughts 24/7. I want them to leave my head. I will NEVER look at porn again."
It worked. Previously, I would associate masturbation to porn use. I would think about nofap. I would say, I've relapsed and binge on porn and let 2-4 loads go. That was my mistake.
I disconnected porn from masturbation. That was the main step I took. Suddenly, it was so apparent, so easy that it surprised me. I am still in shock, at how easily those Dirty thoughts just left my head! They're gone!
I will say though, that I am doing a bit of visualisation. Of the 2 times I masturbated, and once in a while when porn urges come, previously "saved clips" in my head are playing, but I see it as them being played for the last time. They are leaving my head, of course you would see them go; right?
Don't worry. Disconnect porn from masturbation. Masturbation is not the problem. Porn is the problem.
The "superpowers" from nofap may or may not be real. I personally don't advocate quitting masturbation. However the immediate benefits of quitting porn; in only 3 weeks, the constant, nonstop dirty thoughts in my head are almost gone. My erections are ROCK HARD. My gf is in awe at how hard I get so quick. The best benefit is the feeling of power over yourself, the rush of feeling victorious.
Quit porn. It's bullshit. Wether you're forever alone, incel, dating, married, divorced, young or old...quit it.
It will change your life. I am here to talk to you if you need any help. I will not however entertain self-pitying repeat relapsers who aren't serious. You can quit porn, even after watching it religiously for over 15 years (my past situation).
It's easier than you think
BlindBoyGunnn 8y ago
Dude, whether it's from porn or an IRL experience, if it's in your head it's called "The Spank Bank." You're welcome.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I like your conviction. It's now the spankbank for me
throwmebaba 8y ago
Well to explain it better, sometimes she's not around, sometimes I am in a different country, sometimes she's on her period, sometimes I'm too busy, it can be many things. I travel a lot and stay in countries away from her for long periods of time, so I used to resort to porn.
Also, porn is a progressively changing thing. You need more and more extreme porn to get you off over the years, to get that fake dopamine rush.
A real woman stops being enough to get you horny, sometimes you won't even get hard. There have been times I fuck for an hour or two straight and don't cum, no man or woman can take that much sex at a time.
You start losing interest in relationships, she starts doubting herself and her ability to get you to cum, you get tired of no pleasure.
There has been times my dick stops working even during sex; imagine! Your erections are never really hard, they're soft. You can't cum from blowjobs.
Even cumming with a gf doesn't give you pleasure because the porn just stimulates you so much more. The thing you're chasing is the very thing that you end up destroying.
Bro, I could go on giving more reasons for days!
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[deleted] 8y ago
wait....you jerk off to yourself in the mirror?
human_bean_ 8y ago
What's wrong with dirty thoughts?
[deleted] 8y ago
What's the point of quitting porn when most of us aren't getting pussy?
throwmebaba 8y ago
Try quitting porn and see if it helps. If you're not getting any, you're not getting any. Might as well try something new. It may help.
honeywall 8y ago
Im in a streak of 78 days of quitting porn and masturbation. Keep up with it man, porn really fucks our brain and our sex drive. Now im getting some signs of improvement. I really recommend to all the people here: quit fucking masturbation to porn now.
GoingTheHardWay 8y ago
That's a great achievement and you should be proud... but a word of warning.
While there is zero debate to be had about the benefits of cutting out porn 100%, I personally ran into issues when cutting out masturbation. If you're not sleeping with anyone at the time (FWB's, LTR's etc etc), you're setting yourself up for failure.
After a lengthy dry spell and no masturbation, I managed to finally get my dick wet, only to last a grand total of 5 minutes. I was out of practice and unfamiliar with my own body.
I think no-fap is a silly concept and fundamentally flawed. You're going to have nocturnal emissions anyway so it's not like it serves any biological purpose. An argument can be made for your mental well-being, but that boils down to how you approach the subject and treat it more than any puritanical sense of "Masturbation is a sin" BS.
You're far better off getting to know your body, yourself, and your sexual edge by masturbating. The key is abstaining from climax and focusing on your thoughts, physical experience, and discipline. Climax once or twice a week depending on your age and as needed - but more importantly recognize when you're using it as a vice and the "cost' of climax.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I haven't talked about cutting masturbation. I've only quit porn. No-fap is the reason so many people fail!
sric2838 8y ago
"While there is zero debate to be had about the benefits of cutting out porn 100%"
How so?
paragonofcynicism 8y ago
Because he said so, bro. Haven't you heard all of this anecdotal evidence, clearly there is no possible counter-argument to be made.
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GoingTheHardWay 8y ago
I certainly have no disrespect for them or their cause.
If that's what works for them, that's great!
I just wanted to point out that it's not a black and white topic where anyone who isn't no-fap is just lying to themselves because they're addicted to fapping (which i'm sure does exist). Likewise, it's not totally untrue either, fapping all the time to climax isn't generally a positive for everyone either (again, exceptions exist).
What matters is that you're assessing yourself, exploring those limits and seeing what works for you - while being honest about your goals and intentions.
I'd say if you have even somewhat frequent access to pussy, No-fap is totally fine. If you're incel or very rarely get laid, I'd have concerns about impacting your sex game once you finally do.
thrillhouss3 7y ago
I agree dude. Was forced to do nofap for boxing comps that were approaching. Exhausting myself kept my mind of it. But after 3 weeks my balls were aching really bad. My trainer forced to wait it out after the fight.
What I'm trying to say is that, some bodies want that release. Maybe I have high testosterone, I don't know.
honeywall 8y ago
So, the reason I cut out completely porn AND masturbation is because i suffered from Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction like in the beggining of 2016. I tried to recover only by quitting porn, but I didnt see much recovery after some time. Guys from YourBrainOnPorn tell us that we dont really need to cut out masturbation, but still masturbating and fantasizing can slow the recovery process.
I will try to reach at least 120 days, and try to implement a healthy masturbation habit, because I have doubts too if no masturbation whatsoever is healthy for my sexual performance. I didnt really get an oportunity to test my performance now, but I really can see some improvements as I refrain from porn and masturbation together.
I dont see lasting few minutes being an issue, as long as I dont suffer from fucking PIED when trying to have sex. Please, if you can, give me some advice or opinions regarding this. Thank you.
throwmebaba 8y ago
It's just time based. Your mind takes some time to lose its hypersexuality.
I had the PIED too. No cum after hours of fucking. Erection loss if there was any pause in stimulation. Soft erections.
Just like your tolerance of anything goes up with too much consumption, it also goes down with no consumption. Stay strong, you will get back to normal. Just quit porn.
honeywall 8y ago
Please, share your experience! Are you now able to have sex to orgasm with a condom? How are your erections?
thor_away92 8y ago
Would you be so kind as to list or note the changes you encountered?
Spuwk 8y ago
I've gone about 75 days on nofap and the benefits vary within everyone, but something that I found was a peace of mind. I felt supreme mental clarity like I'd never had before. I could think much clearer, which just improved my life overall. I personally do agree with OP, I'd rather masturbate than watch porn. Porn has fucked my brain and it's thinking. ever since I started, I've became awkward around others. I didn't feel that type of way around girls before porn. It's been about 2 years since that streak, but I hope to get there and beyond. If I were to give advice to anyone who's on the fence about nofap then here it is: just try it. I personally think everyone can improve from nofap, it just takes a while. It doesn't come easy.
helgisson 8y ago
I'm also interested in knowing what he's observed. The anti-porn crusade often gets mixed up in the pseudoscience of NoFap, which makes me skeptical to say the least. Not to mention studies like this one which find no correlation between porn use and ED - which is one of the main arguments against porn in the first place.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Go on the NoFap sub-reddit.
Lots of people have listed the positive impacts that quitting porn and masturbation have had on their lives.
I'd personally recommend watching this video, because it finally convinced me to quit masturbation and pornography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
I don't know whether its placebo, but I'm only five days in since I made my decision and I already feel more energetic and productive.
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grass_cutter 8y ago
five days isn't that much really.
I think porn and masturbation are two different things really - I guess giving up the latter automatically gives up the former, but eh.
I can see porn killing sex drive, creating unrealistic ideas about reality, etc ... masturbation, yeah it's probably good to cut back, but ... I don't know, can't be good to give up completely long term ... once a week probably reduces cancer risk.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Yes, quitting porn has automatically killed my masturbation drive.
GoingTheHardWay 8y ago
No-fap is stupid. You're going to have nocturnal emissions anyway - they never talk about that though.
I think there's a wide spectrum of what "works" for different people. For some people it might be full on cold turkey no-fap. Some people might not be negatively impacted by wanking it every single day.
I take the approach that blowing a load more than once or twice a week is draining on me - I lose motivation. Masturbation can be done without climax and then becomes a productive exercise in discipline and understanding of your body.
grass_cutter 8y ago
Yeah I got to give it a go.
It kills my sex drive to masturbate too frequently ... but at the same time, the first 5 days I quit, I feel like I'm constantly horny at work.
Probably best to cut back though.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I can tell you're bullshitting and never visit that sub. Every day newbies are scared of losing everything with those emissions. Every day people say it's normal and healthy.
honeywall 8y ago
So, a lot of NoFap guys say that they suddenly they get a lot of energy, motivation, confidence and joy.
I really didnt feel this things, and I think these effects are just for people who suffered from excessive ejaculation and numbing of their dopamine system, so they quit and experience for some time the good effects of NoFap.
In a long-term, I think this new "drive" becomes something normal, and you think the "benefits" are fading.
I'm now getting this confidence and motivation from Red Pill and self-improvement, that guides me to become a better man each day. And I think everybody from TRP can have more motivation, confidence and drive just by reading the stories and the guides from this subreddit.
As im in a long streak, the benefits I see regarding sexual function are:
-Morning wood EVERY day
-Improved erections (i get them sometimes just by talking to some girl I really find attractive) -> (I didnt get the chance to test if im free from Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction yet, but I really think that if I get the chance I will be able to perform)
If anyone wants some advice regarding Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction / NoFap / Quitting Porn / Performance anxiety (Its a very concerning problem for everyone who suffered from PIED, I will make some post on NoFap about how I managed to overcome this anxiety that brings suffering and fucks up our mind and performance) message me.
helgisson 8y ago
I'm just going to leave this study here regarding Porn Induced ED: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12853/abstract
TL;DR: it doesn't exist. That doesn't necessarily negate the rest of what you said, but I wish people would stop associating porn with ED. There's 0 scientific evidence to back that claim up.
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Premiumslr 8y ago
There are other studies showing a connection between ed and porn. Plus plenty of anecdotal evidence, and real reports of doctors prescribing ED meds to younger and younger patients. No one is saying that porn will cause ED in 100% of people, but for some it seems to be an issue.
http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2011/02/24/visualizza_new.html_1583160579.html
helgisson 8y ago
Anecdotal evidence is meaningless because it's self-reported. People with other health issues (physical or mental) that cause ED will latch on to porn as the "problem" because it's an easy scapegoat and they read on the internet that it's bad. Then they'll go online and tell people they have PIED. What does that prove? Also, I'd like to see those reports of doctors prescribing ED meds to young guys, because I've never heard of that happening. Any doctor giving viagra to men under 30 is crazy. Even if it does happen, that still doesn't prove anything (general anxiety among young men is on the rise, for example, which is a known cause of ED).
As far as that article goes, it doesn't actually cite any evidence of porn causing dysfunction. It's just a survey of how many people watch it, then a quote claiming that it causes problems. The problem statement is never backed up with numbers - it's just some guy who runs a medical society making the claim out of nothing. His title is meaningless if he has no evidence.
If a real study comes out that confirms PIED, I will believe it. Right now 0 studies have supported it and 2 have discredited it.
EDIT: clarified my thoughts a bit.
Premiumslr 8y ago
If you are asking me for reports of doctors who are prescribing or being asked to prescribe ED, than you are simply uninformed on the issue and should not be commenting. The issue of anxiety, porn addiction, ED are very complicated and can't be disproven or even discredited by a single study despite your claims. Again, no one is claiming if you watch porn once you will suddenly have ED. It is for this reason the studies you cite are lacking, at best, since this is the test hypothesis. No need to get defensive.
At this point it is not a well researched subject, if you choose to have a default opinion beforehand, so be it. I have an open mind, and have no reason to suspect that patients and doctors are lying about their experiences. Milleage may vary, but I would suggest giving no porn a try for many reasons, none religious or ethical.
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just saying, you're calling the guy an idiot but you haven't provided references for a single claim you made. its all "lots of young men experience this", and "lots of doctors are doing this ". learn to debate bro. also why is redpill so infested with nofappers? when did this crossover happen? there is like 4000 of you in here. 4 posts about "quitting porn" in the hot section alone.
helgisson 8y ago
You are correct. I have not encountered anything that supports your claim, so I am "uninformed." I'm asking you to cite your sources. If you don't, then your points carry no weight.
The test hypothesis relates to regular porn use. Nowhere does it say "watch porn once." You are misrepresenting the article's point and arguing against your incorrect version of it.
I showed you two scientific studies that refute your point. You have shown me zero scientific studies to refute my point. All the research so far supports my view, none supports yours. In what way am I the one with the "default opinion"? I'm just going with what science has actually found.
I am more than willing to change my view on this if you provide facts to back up your point. In no way am I being defensive, I'm legitimately curious. But if you can't cite your sources then I have no reason to believe you. That's how this works.
Azzmo 8y ago
Even if the porn doesn't have much effect, the corresponding masturbation does.
And honestly - be skeptical of that study. Hypercharged ultra maximum stimulation of one's arousal systems via whatever hardcore pornography they need to get a boner definitely makes normal women less arousing.
helgisson 8y ago
Does it really? I've never experienced that. Having a real, naked woman in bed is always more exciting than pixels on a screen could ever be.
Azzmo 8y ago
PMO definitely affect arousal in some people, but everybody is different.
It's like drugs or alcohol or smoking. I could smoke a pack a day for a year and quit on day 366 without the need to continue smoking since I just don't have the substance addiction gene. Despite that, I believe people when they say that it's an incredible burden to resist.
Porn and masturbation definitely affected how aroused I was by women. Porn did it by pushing the boundaries of what is arousing (a lone, naked woman didn't compare to my powerful imagination) and masturbation did it by lowering libido and by tying physical sexual stimulation to the extreme fantasies that porn provides. Drastically reduce or cut either thing out and I'd see improvement. Reduce both and it's night and day difference.
helgisson 8y ago
You sure you weren't just anxious? That blows my mind. I'd buy the "everybody is different" thing, but in that case (if you'll pardon my slight concern trolling) redpill needs to drop the narrative that porn is terrible for all men. It should be, "if you have ED and it's not health or anxiety related, try cutting back on porn," not "if you watch porn you will get ED and be a beta," like it is now.
Azzmo 8y ago
I've been anxious and I've been bored. Either way, it's not productive arousal.
But I think the anxiety theory is a decent angle to examine this from. It stands to reason that one's mind starts to conflate fantasies with reality. Can I compare to the guys in the videos? Since I've seen all of these "satisfied" women, obviously it's expected of me to blow minds too. What if she this, what if I that.
When one dedicates 99% of their sexual life to complete fantasy, they have no real basis for realistic encounters. So yeah anxiety. And unfairly high expectations for partners.
All that said, I think that the anti-porn crusade is similar to AWALT. With experience we come to know that it's a buzzword that isn't entirely true, but it's a hell of a guideline for inexperienced people. You'd probably find a much less hardline stance on porn and masturbation in a place where the population was generally mature. Here, we're usually in some stage of learning.
RavelsBolero 8y ago
This is about as wrong as it gets. Try googling "your brain on porn".
Are you new here? Every few other weeks there are posts on this sub about nofap, getting off porn, PIED and PE, all with people who have been through this same thing and who say the same things about the benefits, too.
It gets bothersome seeing the deniers repeat the same old tired arguments, despite increasing evidence to the contrary. It's like watching someone seriously try to deny global warming.
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yourbrainonporn doesn't have a single study that proves porn addiction is biological, just saying. i used to read that site all the time. they link studies on rats and sugar and stuff and then say "THE SAME THING HAPPENS TO A PORN ADDICTS BRAIN", which is just retarded science.
they also link correlation studies about people who watch lots of porn having smaller brains, but its likely those people had smaller brains to start with, and simply seek out more pleasure.
even the owner gary wilson admits he has no concrete proof of porn addiction, he goes by anecdotes and testimonies.
RavelsBolero 8y ago
No it isn't, using rats for animal testing of drugs is quite a standard thing, and animal testing precedes human testing usually because it is illegal and unethical to give untested drugs to humans. The researchers aren't stupid, they wouldn't get excited about what works on rats if there weren't implications for humans. I mean, these people do this for a living, you really think they've never once thought about the difference between rats and humans?
Good. Anecdotes and experiences are what create the basis for scientific inquiry. For example, people said for years marijuana had a multitude of health benefits, and just now mainstream science is finally, as it becomes legal in a lot of places, starting to seriously study it and find the "proof" that retards on the internet beg for before they believe anything anybody says.
It's the same thing here. Researchers don't just have money to spend on whatever they want, there has to be something of interest that comes about and that we think there might be some benefit to us if we look at it.
Just the same way that mathematical proofs begin with conjectures which may or may not hold true in every case, medical science begins with things that people have observed, which may or may not have a useful effect or a knowable explanation
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they test the effects of sugar on rats then say the same thing happens to humans who watch porn. if you can't realise how dumb that is i can't help you. you can easily test the effects of porn on people, quite ethically. get 100 men to quit porn, get another 100 men to keep watching it for an hour a day. do brain scans, done. the fact that these simple studies haven't been done yet is amazing. why doesn't the yourbrainonporn guy fund them? he makes money off selling programs to "porn addicts". what you dont understand is, that the "porn addiction" business is huge. they have a vested interest in proving porn is a big bad boogey man, just like the porn industry has a vested interest in proving it harmless. you should google the price of some of these porn addiction retreats and programs, holy fuck you can make a mint off treating "porn addiction".
sure, the problem with nofap is that it skipped the part where there is proof. it just went anecdotes ---> this is a fact !
not all men get ED and fucked up from porn, do you nofappers ever consider its just you that has that problem? as an extremely heavy porn user, it never fucked my boners. however i eat a very healthy diet, work out, and take supplements that raise T. for all these nofappers know, they are just really low T. they never actually get a test or anything to find out what is wrong, they get diagnosed with PIED by doctor google.
RavelsBolero 8y ago
Not done. Designing good studies to produce results from scan relies heavily on mitigating confounding factors as much as possible, and 100 isn't really a big sample number.
Most people just talk about their own experiences, though it's not like there is a lack of scientific study supporting what they say.
Something like this is clearly an indicator that this is an area worthy of more real clinical research, but importantly it shows a lot of people are sharing this experience.
Maybe, but this is where anecdotes are helpful - people on YBOP have a ton of topics explaining their own rewiring process and how it has worked wonders for them.
As someone who actually works in a university and who has been involved in research, I'm not going to start denying the importance of anecdotes. Afterall, there is a lot of serious research dedicated to improving people's sex lives, and this is just one area. I'm sure in time more of it will come about
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so do a study with more people, don't nitpick, it was a half assed example, its easy and ethical to study the effects of porn on human brains. humans watch porn all the time, we are already part of an "experiment", all you need to do is some proper note taking.
well yeah there is......no study to date has proven porn is chemically addictive to your brain. if you believe there has been please provide it, i haven't found any such thing and i even went through yourbrainonporn.com thoroughly. mostly they link studies on non related subjects like drug addicts or obesity, then make a correlation with porn's effect on the brain. i did used to be part of that whole "nofap" community, im familiar with this stuff. never saw one decent study proving what they claim.
see personally i would think that is death gripping, not porn, though the two often go hand in hand (pun not intended). that quote leaves out important info like how much porn where these guys using? were they edging for hours? is it simply watching porn itself that does it or is it the edging and death gripping for hours? i have no idea from that small quote you posted. death dripping and fapping constantly for hours fucks up nerves in your dick, why does nofap not blame this, instead of "dopamine" related made up pseudo science? its far more logical to assume that they fap too damn much, and their dick nerves are fucked up. its a really weird conclusion to come to that its neurological changes in the brain causing ED, when a more simple and logical cause is right there. men who don't death grip for 4 hours a day tend to do just fine with erections, myself included.
90% of men use porn in this day and age and most of them can get boners, so there is no direct correlation with porn, obviously. there has to be more factors involve like extreme length of time, death gripping, etc etc. if it was as simple as just watching porn, every man would have ED.
which leads me to another problem with nofap, they are extremists. like vegans, who have concluded instead of just eating moderate amounts of meat and not too much, in order to avoid health problems, nofappers have concluded you must cut porn entirely from your life. most people do just fine watching it moderately, or only sometimes, most nofappers are addicts who watch it for startlingly high amounts of time, like hours and hours a day. this hardly represents the porn use of normal men.
basically porn like everything else is fine in small doses, its YOU that has the problem, just like an alcoholic. they have done surveys on porn use and addiction and very small percentages of men actually claim to even be addicted, its not a universal problem. however nofap just frames that as "those men are just in denial", because they can't see outside their cult like little boxed view of the world.
EDIT: retarded spelling errors and mistakes.
helgisson 8y ago
That's true, but then the corresponding studies have to back them up. All real studies that have come out so far have not backed them up.
RavelsBolero 8y ago
http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2011/02/24/visualizza_new.html_1583160579.html
Here is one thing from a professor of urology at the talian Society of Andrology and Sexual Medicine.
As someone who has a PhD I'd say this qualifies as "back-up", but if you want a "brain scan" study like the clearly uninformed guy above, I don't have one to offer.
What I can say is, we see a lot of men experiencing the same thing, and a lot of men saying they benefit from nofap etc in their recovery. That in itself may say something about how humans work. Whether it's rigorous enough to satisfy random people on the internet, I neither know nor care.
helgisson 8y ago
Someone else linked that article to me as well. Unfortunately the the article doesn't back up any of its claims. It's just a survey of how many people watch porn, and that professor claiming it's bad, but he doesn't provide any facts to back it up.
If someone feels real benefits from quitting porn, by all means do that. I just don't like the dogmatic acceptance of PIED's existence when it hasn't been supported by any science. There's a tendency towards absolutism around here, and I feel it's worth reminding people that no one is really sure of anything, especially when it comes to this stuff.
UziNidalee 8y ago
Your post targets an important issue and all but don't get me wrong quitting something for barely a month is not quitting. You need at least 90 days (average amount of time to rewrite your brain from addiction) porn free to even start saying that you made it. Just my two cents.
thatguy1321 8y ago
That's the biggest problem with the nofap subreddit...a bunch of noobs posting "Oh I've been clean for a week and it's changed my life" then the flatline hits and they relapse. I'm 71 days in (oct. 28) and initially in the first week there is a huge increase in mood, energy, and libido. Then, however, after about 20 days, I crashed. Hard. Harsh mood swings, increased social retardation, ED, the works. Lasted till bout day 60, then I went back to just a normal state. Despite what they all say, you don't magically become fearless and approach all women with ease. Only difference is that I have more energy for working out.
throwmebaba 8y ago
You're right. However, sometimes you just know. You have an innate surety. I have it for the first time in my life.
barrelsroll 8y ago
I do support everything you said but I am interested in the 90 days statement. Can you link any source to know how long it will take for the brain to rewire itself from the addiction?
UziNidalee 8y ago
It is a standard amount of time thrown around NoFap/NoPorn community. There are articles that it takes 90 days to break a habit that is how it started.
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SmilingWatermelon 8y ago
Is it really 90 days? Like if I wanted to destroy my gaming habit, I would just need to stop for 3months?
MrZz108 8y ago
The general consensus is that it takes around 21 days to form a new habit, and 90 days to break one.
[deleted] 8y ago
While 90 days is the gold standard that is thrown around the noporn community that doesn't mean it's an end all be all for every individual. Recovery time for the heavy porn user may be different than recovery time for the casual porn user.
If OP has rock hard erections after almost a month of abstaining I'd say he's close to a full recovery as long as he keeps it up.
throwmebaba 8y ago
You've understood. It's not just about what you read online, a stupid 90 day nofap challenge. It's about surety, it's about knowing yourself.
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[deleted] 8y ago
This. Unfortunately, while the post and pursuit is noble, claiming you have defeated an addiction in 3 weeks is almost a sure sign of impending relapse.
It starts to read like an overzealous NoFap post. "This time it's for real, I swear"
I always applaud effort and commend positive change, but one must remember the nature of the beast.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I've been in that position. However as you said, it was for nofap. Here I've not cut masturbation, I've cut porn. M is healthy, P is not.
Sometimes, a different approach is the solution. I've used a different solution, it's worked.
OneMoreBadger 8y ago
You cannot say it's worked after less than one month, that's the point here.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Your point is valid bro.
I will come back to post a part two after a month has passed. Like I've mentioned I've used a different approach. I feel a shift, sometimes you're just sure.
Tough_Luv 8y ago
Considering the night and day difference he mentioned, I'd argue that he can.
There is certainly a pronounced effect, and almost certainly attributable to the very blatant life change he made.
What we do not know if will the effects be sustained over time? Or is this a temporary?
throwmebaba 8y ago
We will see, although I am feeling a calm surety. A different kind of peace, as in before I would count the days and think about how I'm not thinking about it. It was still giving attention to the issue. This time around, it's not on my mind anymore.
pinechas 8y ago
I have full confidence in you. I've been porn free for about 2 and a half years. The biggest shock for me was in realizing how nearly effortless the whole thing is once you defetishize the naked body.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thank you. This is what I'm saying. Porn free is the goal, not nofap. As we both agree, it's shockingly easy!
pinechas 8y ago
I don't know how what I'm about to say is going to come across, so disregard it if it doesn't resonate, but, there is another side to the coin.
The most immediate and obvious benefit to a caveman who learns to carry fire is that he loses the fear of burning himself. This freedom, after a time, gives way to the secondary benefit of being able to harness fire's power. In the same way, you should right now be most conscious of your increasing invulnerability to what used to be dangerous triggers.
But I would encourage you to not settle for mere freedom from porn--as great as that is, in itself--but, to drive on and lay hold of that which the firey coals of lust had previously made untouchable. I'm talking about indulging in a sensual appreciation of the female body that is decoupled from the pornographic gaze. Of course, I don't mean some kind of snobbish taste for soft core porn: that's just the kind of shallow idea that comes to the porn ravaged, crippled imagination. Its not unlike the idiotic conception of a wine tasting party that comes to the mind of a man who's drank a $10 bottle of vodka, alone, every night for the last 20 years.
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
I can testify to this. I've been on the NoFap thing since May 2nd (don't know how many days, but it's way past 90 days). I was watching porn every day for years and then stopped cold turkey. I was doing really well this whole time but this domino effect caused me to do a small relapse a week ago.
I have a friend who's gf's face looks like my (past) favorite porn stars face. So little by little those old videos started creeping up every time my friend posted a pic with his gf online and it eventually got to the point where I had memories of the videos of the porn star playing in my mind for 2 days straight. I kept telling myself that it would pass and to just hold out but at the end I just couldn't take it and I watched a video.
Fortunately I didn't fap. and after I watched the video all my urges vanished and now I'm back to not thinking about porn. My point is that no matter how long you've gone, you can always relapse. There's triggers out there and they can be as small as looking at a girls face. I didn't see any bikini pics of my friends gf or any sexy selfies. Just her face and smile triggered me. Even with OP's attitude and drive, which I also had/have through my journey, it can still happen.
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Peter_B_Long 8y ago
Yes somewhat. I used to masturbate every day sometimes 2-3x a day. In the shower and before sleep. Shit, I remember I used to masturbate in the shower at Gold's Gym lol and at friends houses in the restroom. It was pretty bad but I did think it was normal. I didn't know or care about self discipline or the harm it did of doing it so often.
Now with porn it was a different story. I guess it started when I found out I could watch videos on my phone at night which was probably like middle of my high school years. It wasn't too bad at first since I only watched the basic stuff, just regular porn, I really didn't think much of it. But after I graduated and I was becoming a young adult and I was having sex with my girlfriend, I started getting into heavier things. Like gang bang torture kinda stuff. After I would watched the video and ejaculated I would be like, damn what am I watching. I wish I had noticed all the harm it was doing. Like my mind could only see girls as sexual objects, and not in an alpha chad kinda way where I would flirt and give off sexual IOI's. It was like a creepy awkward vibe but I didn't know why I was like that. I didn't know why I couldn't keep eye contact with females or act charming with them.
I would be at work and I would remember what I watched the previous night and I would just tell myself, "Damn why are you watching that, that shit needs to stop, it's pathetic and gross." but every night I would pull my shorts down and watch hardcore shit all over again. I was like a zombie, or like a hardwired robot, doing that every night.
One day I was on the forum on bodybuilding.com and this guy posted a thread titling 'Go ahead and try to convince me to fap' and the comments were just guys going back and forth on benefits of nofap and then the other guys saying that it's natural. But it got me curious. So I just did a google search on the benefits of no fap and that's when I found the nofap forum on reddit and that same day was the same day I gave up porn and masturbation.
Sorry, I know this was long, but to answer your question, yes I did think at first that porn was normal but I also didn't really care ya know. It felt good and the girls were hot. But I am thankful every day for finding nofap and giving up porn. My life has changed, honestly. I can look at any girl and stare right into their eyes and feel comfortable and be myself. Sex with my girlfriend is way way way better. I was never satisfied with sex sadly to say. Porn had brainwashed me into thinking that I had to last at least 10 minutes and that I had to make my gf scream my name at the top of her lungs or else I wasn't good enough. And I wasn't even mindful during sex. I used to put my gf in positions and remember her in certain positions so I could masturbate to her in those positions later. What kind of stupid shit is that? lol.
But yeah man, if you're thinking about giving up porn I highly super omega 3 recommend that try it out. It's going to be hard as fuck. I used to smoke like 6-8 cigarettes a day when I was 17 and I made myself stop, and I rank giving up porn as the same level as giving up cigarettes, but the benefits are much more and so worth it. What helped me along the way was telling myself, "Do I want to watch some losers fucking HB10 porn stars, or do I want to be the one fucking these HB10's?"
weiguk 8y ago
So you never had any experience with normal masturbation. 2 times a week or something like that.
You went from one extreme to the other. Which is honestly a common theme about advocates of nofap. They cannot have a normal relationship with porn/masturbation. Yet the thing is the problem, not their own fucked up minds.
And here's a hint: Most people never have those problems you described even though they watch porn and masturbate occasionally.
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nofap is a culture of blaming the activity and not themselves. normal men don't fap so much that it ruins their entire life. but you'll never make these nofap autists realise this, its a borderline cult.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I've been there. Masturbating in random places due the nonstop dirt in my head. Not being able to focus on real friends. Real conversations. The creep vibe. All of it. The not satisfied with sex, the ED, the whole 9 yards.
It's stopped because porn was the problem.
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
I'm glad someone has walked the same road as me and I'm happy to hear you found the virus in your life.
StoicCrane 8y ago
Virus? It's metaphysical cancer that spreads and destroys all aspects of pleasure, joy, and satisfaction, from life.
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The only thing i would notice about your otherwise good post is that you call them losers when they fk hb10 for good money, and you are a winner if you get it free. I guess it's just lingo but if it was said publicly you'd gain some bad eye look about your confidence (if the world was RP, i mean).
Otherwise it was good.
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
You're right I agree. What I meant is that some of them are fat and ugly, and it really makes you feel some kind of way ya know.
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I do struggle in the same area, BP me would belittle any kind of jokey guys i would be far far from.
Now i seldom do that but when i do i remember that either the person i'm belittling is present, either i'm being a bit of a coward.
Abundance is key there, you can be happy for these guys too. And if you can't, just think what would be of them if they weren't born with a big dick. Just don't tell it anyone!
I would rather envy these lucky persons that are born ugly with a small dick in a world full of pornstars and promisquity, and still proceeded to decreet their will upon the world later on no matter what.
As for stoicism, you can't envy luck because it's in none control, but you should totally envy strength, because that's what you should strive for. Find positive role models for that and those pornstars will be out of the picture.
Edit: just to be clear, i don't think they are winning anything. They probably went in with a narrow lifeview and will come out the same. Those that win are those that are forced in a narrow hole, only to destroy it and reclaim the world with a smile.
st3roids 8y ago
This is just unfounded un scientific bs , you wanna cut porn fine you wont do any good or bad however is like saying i wont wear a red color from now on it wont make you better nor worse.
cutting masturbation is bad , science clearly demostrates that masturbation raizes test lvls in a long run for starters. Is a perfectly fine action every mammal is doing and is self release that helps with anxiety.
Fyi redpill community is so filled with so many bs
ThaBoii 8y ago
Filled with egotistic dude-bros
StoicCrane 8y ago
And BP ass-boiis who love it up the rear.
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StoicCrane 8y ago
Delusion BP faggotry is strong with this one. Porn destroys/desensitizes neural pathways required for regulating mood, well being, and general pleasure in life. It's like reward crack. The more you watch it the higher the dose you need to feel the same sensation of ecstasy until you hit the point where you watch it 10 hrs a week just to get a boner and everything else in life feels bland and insipid.
Porn not only desensitizes but it also leads to severe depression unless stopped. Take your deluded bullshit elsewhere. People here warn against it for a reason. Many have felt it's effects and it's far from pretty.
[deleted] 8y ago
when did redpill become nofap? seriously go away.
StoicCrane 8y ago
The BB hamster is strong in you. Go to the cuck side of the force. The fact that you're trying to justify choking your dick and spraying your DNA on Kleenex tissues to imaginary chicks says it all. A man on his purpose that pulls chicks on the regular has no use for beating off like a loser.
[deleted] 8y ago
I don't actually watch porn, but nofappers are weird cult like faggots.
StoicCrane 8y ago
I'm no nofapper. I just see no viable use for spraying semen on restroom walls. That's precious Zinc that could regulate metabolism.
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that isn't how the body works but ok.
Mrmayhemful 8y ago
The numbers I've read say 21-25 days is enough to break a habit and form a new one.
Say I wake up in the morning and do 100 push ups or something. After 25 days (or so, very generalized number) I don't have to "tell myself" to do it anymore, my mind is automatically used to it and I just do it.
My wrestling coach taught me that and that as soon as it turns into an instinct, you bump the number up to 125, then 150, then 200. It seriously builds mental strength and obviously helps with physical strength.
southernmost 8y ago
That's for habits, not addiction. A lot of the guys who find their life adversely affected by porn and wanking are way, WAY beyond what most would consider normal, and spend 20+ hours a week watching porn and jackin' it. That's addiction.
p.s. The "superpowers" those tards on nofap claim are not real. There are no superpowers. Anyone who tells you otherwise is scamming you.
StoicCrane 8y ago
The "superpowers" are real. The true power is the power of time and testosteral energy to accomplish productive aims rather than force choke your dick like a loser.
yomo86 8y ago
I would not say superpowers. Ut they conducted a study about semen retention. Testosterone increased for 5 days in test subjects then the study was halted.
Mrmayhemful 8y ago
Ah, makes sense. But the superpowers thing, wouldn't keeping the sperm in you increase testosterone? And for men the benefits of having more testosterone are real
StoicCrane 8y ago
Time more importantly. Time to do other things that palm your dick like a paddle.
[deleted] 8y ago
who the hell masturbates so long that it gives them significantly more free time when they stop? seriously? you guys are a small subset of really fucked up addicts. normal people don't spend hours masturbating.....
StoicCrane 8y ago
So...you're trying to justify milking your dick like a cow udder instead of find healthy outlets to direct constructive energy to? See how far it takes you in life. More power to you.
Now for anyone sensible reading this the toll of masturbation far exceeds the benefits. Not only does it waste vital nutrients but it causes men to become effeminate self-gratification seekers. Few things say high value like a man who makes himself bust a nut instead of finding a chick to fuck.
[deleted] 8y ago
this is why you nofappers shouldn't be in redpill. you are disturbed masturbation addicts that don't realise normal men can do it like once a week, or only if they haven't been laid in a while. i don't masturbate so much that it takes up absurd amounts of time and energy you freak. stop projecting onto me, i don't replace sex with real girls with masturbation like you.
And you don't lose minerals and vitamins in sperm, if you did, then i guess you better not fuck girls either right genius? god you idiots are retarded.
StoicCrane 8y ago
Way to show frame. Stick to lurking brah. You're making youself look like a fool.
[deleted] 8y ago
whatever you say. you're just a pathetic beta that can't handle the occasional wank, and got addicted cause you have no self control. now you're projecting onto others and making out like its a huge deal to have the odd wank. you need to grow the fuck up son.
btw i only wank when its been a long time since i've had some ass, like a week or two or longer, i generally avoid porn and avoid jerking off, more motivation for real sex. i just think the shit you go on about is hysterical. its like you think every man on the planet wanks 5 times a day to extremely creepy fetishes just like you did lol. no, you're just a freak. most men can control their jerking off habits loser.
Bartand 8y ago
Lol, I will quit TRP before I quit porn. Keep dreaming.
reecewagner 8y ago
Lol says the guy who quit less than a month ago
throwmebaba 8y ago
Recognise the confidence. Block the hate :)
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raizo87 8y ago
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throwmebaba 8y ago
For the 2 times I did in the last month, I've used my own experiences, my own thoughts. No more porn.
Doing that also has stopped my daily masturbation automatically, I felt kinda stupid sitting there holding my dick when my senses weren't being consumed by the porn in front of Me.
raizo87 8y ago
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throwmebaba 8y ago
I won't tell you what to do, but I will say that you can try to quit using any visual aids. Pornography does very messed up things to your brain, eventually that photo won't be enough, then the video won't be enough, the Genres will get more and more extreme, apart from other adverse effects in your life!
raizo87 8y ago
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StoicCrane 8y ago
On both porn and masturbation they wreck the dopamine receptors. The more one indulges in either the less pleasure one derives from life in general and it paves way for depression among other ills.
Hope and despair are one and the same. The greater the height of pleasure the greater the height of pain.
[deleted] 8y ago
No, masturbation doesn't. This is a pseudoscientific meme.
http://i.imgur.com/F0pI1dv.png
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation
ladopairts 8y ago
This is definitely true.
There has been a lot of talk about dopamine and the "reward pathway" of the brain lately.
Porn and masturbation are just the start. There are numerous activities that mess up the reward pathway in your brain. Video games (especially addictive ones on mobile like Clash of Clans). Social media (Facebook being the worst), even texting. All of these things mess with your reward pathway.
Pretty much anything that involves a feeling of instant gratification.
Before the internet and smartphones, instant gratification was almost non-existent. One would do well to realize that although these new technologies are very helpful tools, overuse can be really bad for you in the long run.
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holy pseudo science batman !
StoicCrane 8y ago
I was just thinking about this last night. Though advances in information technology are unprecedented the potential for sending disinformation and manipulation from obscure locations are obscenely high. The rich ruling elite class no longer needs to force compliance physically when they can subconsciously influence obedience through a synthetic plasma screen with Delta wavelengths. What's the point of setting bounties when the can track every with Androids and iPhones through their GPS service?
Unfortunately the way it's used en masse tech is becoming more of an imposed liability than an asset since basic purchase transactions and the like are becoming more and more integrated with software that only a select few fully understand and can easily exploit to their benefit.
ladopairts 8y ago
Your post sounds like you are trying to convince me to go halvsies on a credit card scam with you.
StoicCrane 8y ago
With the way tech is now it's all too easy. Sad thing is, few would be able to stop us.
circlhat 8y ago
Porn is fine, addiction is not but porn didn't ruin/effect me, I grew out of it because it became boring after I started getting laid regularly, it just felt like a waste.
Porn will not destroy you, in fact most girls I dated we would watch porn together, one girl even downloaded bible black.
eliteHaxxxor 8y ago
Goddamn. That is deeply disturbing.
AttackOnKvothe 8y ago
So, you mean masturbating only with your thoughts?
throwmebaba 8y ago
Initially for me, that was the plan. To use past experiences, of my own. Eventually after 2 times (in the last month) I've stopped masturbating as well. My gf does the rest :)
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I found increased focus, attention and presence after quitting. The biggest realization for me a couple weeks in is seeing what "triggered" looking at porn.
Difficult task? Welp, better beat it first.
Horny? Let's fix that.
Bored? Let's see some titties.
A while after quitting, I had no other choice but to start the task, actually engage in sex with another human, or let myself be bored in a constructive way.
najaanwe 8y ago
I've always struggled to understand posts on this subject. Just stop watching it, it's not that hard.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Some people struggle more than others. Every mind is wired differently. I hope this post helps those who are facing difficulties.
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suske127 8y ago
Masturbation is actually good for keeping your pipes working down there if you know what I mean. If you haven't had sex in 2 weeks, it's a good idea to jerk off just to keep things working properly. But more than once a week and you're ruining yourself. You're right that porn is even worse. The psychological effects it has on a person is just terrible. The only single benefit it could have is if you're looking to last longer in bed - porn desensitizes you to sex and makes it less enjoyable, and then you'll be able to "last longer" because it doesn't feel as good. Not worth it to me
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throwmebaba 8y ago
Relapsed to masturbation? That's ok without porn. Try it. Next time you get an urge to masturbate, go do it. Just do it without an aid. Use your mind to go to a past experience. You'll understand what i mean when I say you don't need porn.
Soon things will start changing.
helgisson 8y ago
In my experience, the stress of shaming myself into quitting is far more detrimental than porn itself ever could be. Don't beat yourself up over it.
chokobomaster 8y ago
Does your own intimate videos count as "porn" (i.e. an amateur video taken from your phone as you fuck a plate)?
throwmebaba 8y ago
I would leave that to the community to answer. Although In my opinion it's better than generic porn because it's you, in an experience you were in, with someone you know.
KvackPack 8y ago
I've also managed to quit porn, I've tried to quit for over a year but finally succeeded. This mainly because I was working so hard for a student side-project over a period of 3 weeks and was too exhausted to watch porn when I got home. I've currently gone around 40 days as of now.
Porn is like any addiction, you need to replace bad habits with new better habits.
xddm2653 8y ago
Good for you man. I can count with my right hand how many times I watched porn last year. Spent much more time chasing, less being beta-tized
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genesisofman 8y ago
I did the same but I used the fact that it's used as a weapon against whites by Jews
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ScroogeMcThrowaway 8y ago
100% the reason I quit. I can't find much info online about pornography in Israel. But the amount of filth here, 90%+ is produced by the Jews. I'd love to see some BBC gangbang on a Hasidic in Israel.
genesisofman 8y ago
it's banned in israel. just a cohencidence im sure
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/porn-sites-blocked-adult-websites-israel-law-bill-ban-opt-in-out-a7389271.html
cryptoreporter 8y ago
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genesisofman 8y ago
i know the jew propaganda runs deep and it's hard for you to disassociate yourself from it. believe me, i was there. i can only lead you to water. it's up to you to drink or not
cryptoreporter 8y ago
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genesisofman 8y ago
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. just acknowledging a problem as i see it.
https://i.sli.mg/PKAK1i.png
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/10/the-pornification-of-the-west-part-ii/
http://web.archive.org/web/20151010022658/http://bravenewworld.in/2013/01/23/the-jewish-century-and-pornography/
http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/the_pornography_business.html
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/06/portraits-of-masters-of-porn-the-systematic-promotion-of-recreational-sex-sexual-callousness-and-sexual-deviancy/
https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/
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dts2016 8y ago
Quitting porn forever seems very extreme. Everything in moderation. I watch porn maybe, MAYBE once every two months and it's usually something that I find somewhat kinky/erotic (older ladies getting fucked, say in their 50s or early 60s). Or even just 'normal' young hot girls. It's good to fantasize. I don't see an issue.
Now, blowing a load to porn every day is of course bad for you. Once every month or so? Not that bad at all, maybe even beneficial.
Eyeswears 8y ago
Don't be fooled into thinking if you visualize porn when you masturbate that it's just on its death knell and will eventually fade. When you associate orgasm with thinking about those images, you are strengthening those neural pathways. I don't condone masturbation because even if you are "creating" you own scenarios in your head, they are often very porn-like anyways, so there is little difference.
throwmebaba 8y ago
As I've said. I'm only seeing them as they leave.
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RedsideoftheMoon 8y ago
While I have watched some hardcore porn in the past, my preferred method of masturbation was always to fantasies in my head. I haven't watched porn in forever (haven't counted) but once in a while to fuel my mental images I pull up old nudes girls have sent me. Thoughts?
throwmebaba 8y ago
I maintain that past/real experiences are the best way. The unreality of porn is dangerous.
I feel you are not struggling with a porn problem. For you the next step would probably be getting women to jerk you! You are free to play with your situation.
I felt this post was needed for people like me who struggled Years with porn use, daily. Failing to stop masturbation then giving up and bingeing on porn. Days lost man, days..
RedsideoftheMoon 8y ago
Yeah everyone has their vice. I have other vices.
I've been spinning at least 1 plate at a time since I joined TRP earlier last year, but I definitely prefer a nice jerk in solitude once in a while. It's just one of those alone time things
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npnbf 8y ago
I'm having a similar problem. I was able to kick porn for about a month, but I came back to it.
Unfortunately, it's too easily accessed. Almost all social media I go to, I just have to type in certain keywords and it's right in front of me. Whenever I'm in the mood, my mind almost instantly directs me to seek it out because of how easy it is.
I'm gay too, so almost every gay related site I go to has something related to porn. It's rather ubiquitous in the gay scene, unfortunately. I was even on a gay news site (which I barely browse, mind you) and they had an article about some poor Korean actor who had masturbation videos leaked.
I'm a sexual guy (I'm Scorpio and my general astrology is rather sexual too, if you believe in it), so erotic stuff doesn't necessarily bother me unless it's done tastefully an not blatantly. But I've been rather desensitized to porn and I hate how I nearly automatically think about it whenever I'm in the mood.
EveryoneIsGod 8y ago
I have never thought about the disconnecting porn from masturbation - it seems like the alpha omega to stop watching porn.
Thank you for the great post buddy!
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thanks for your compliment. Tough crowd over here after the pill lol
EveryoneIsGod 8y ago
Yea, some people have a hard time giving others props.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Hope it helps you as it helped me. As I mentioned in another reply, this is a community to help other men. If it helped even one person we have won
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throwmebaba 8y ago
I wish you luck. I will say however, if you fail the nofap thing (although I hope you succeed and win), please try disconnecting porn from fap. Porn is the problem, not fap.
YoungHef 8y ago
Thanks for the honest post OP. I'm thinking about making the jump myself. Your story is helpful.
throwmebaba 8y ago
That's the first step, friend. The intention.
Do try the method I've outlined. Quit porn, don't quit masturbation. It works . I'm available on pm to talk.
momomotorboat 8y ago
It's awesome that you've shown discipline and achieved a goal that's helped you progress. This is what we're all about.
At the same time, I watch and masturbate to porn and my sex life is amazing. I have two plates whom I'm very attracted to and fucking like animals, and am moving in on a couple more. An old ex is also trying to get together to catch up.
I watch porn with girls and share it with them as well.
I'm not saying any of this to discredit your progress. I guess you could say that drinking is an issue for some people, but not for others. So is gambling, food, even social media. A vice is a matter of the persons internal constitution and its relationship to the external object.
I have different vices. Porn hasn't been one of them. But I didn't make much progress until I tackled my vices.
I'm not jacked, I'm not balling, I'm not tremendously popular. But I accepted myself and have stopped trying to impress women. It's made a huge difference.
I'm glad you tackled yours, OP. Cheers to you. If any of you feel like OP does, it could likely help you to follow suit. If that's not it, keep looking inward until you identify yours.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thank you for your candid response. Those are the best ones.
A vice is exactly what it is; a vice on you. A grip, a hold, something you can't just shake off.
For me porn was that. It was invading my mind. I would sit in religious, holy places and even during prayer porn would be flashing in my mind.
I would sit with old friends (women), who I have no intention of banging: and would fantasise about the filthiest things with them, while sitting there WITH them.
Porn flashes and dirty thoughts would take me away from where I was into its world and distract me.
My increasingly extreme porn fetishes would get caught by friends at times, and I've lost good friends because of it. I would have maybe used a friends computer and forgot to clear the history in my daze; they would see it and judge me on it.
It was a vice. FUCK. PORN. It's brought me nothing.
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Noporn is life changing. Nofap is unhealthy. I'm glad you were able to differentiate the two, OP.
Guys, I strongly suggest you form healthy masturbation habits along with quitting porn. Take it from someone who did nofap for months and completely lost his sex drive after a few weeks. People on the nofap sub will call this "flatline" but it's really just a lowered sex drive due to a lack of release. If you don't have any kind of release you're going to lose your sex drive and become extremely irritable and depressed, especially if your T levels are sufficient.
Masturbation is completely healthy, masturbation to pornography is not. Know the difference. Or just put yourself through months of unnecessary stress and see for yourself.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thank you. I'm glad you understand!
Nofap doesn't really make sense and it's really unhealthy. Especially the "hardmode" they have; imaging telling a girl who's willing and ready that you can't have sex. Ridiculous.
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I haven't jacked off in 94 days now. Although I do peek sometimes. But don't jack off. Feels good bro. The problem though is that it's a LDR so I don't have her to give me blowjobs or for sex. There's only so much phone/skype can do
throwmebaba 8y ago
I don't advocate nofap. It's unnatural. I'm against porn use.
But your willpower is commendable. More power to you!
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks man. I'm genuinely curious, why is NoFap unnatural ?
OneInAZillion 8y ago
I needed to read this. Thanks.
I just yesterday used LeechBlock to block every porn site I could think of, put a password on that, made a setting where I couldn't ever configure it again (which is a mistake - you should be able to ADD sites to that block list whenever), and so your post comes at literally the perfect time for me because this feels like a hard battle to win.
Cheers.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Don't take this the wrong way; the mote attention you give it, the more it will take from you.
Try this. Disconnect porn from masturbation. Next time you get an urge, go jerk. Just skip the porn and use a recent or past experience.
You'll see how you aren't dependant on porn at all. Things will start changing for you. Please post Your results!
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Katavasis 8y ago
Although as everyone said,3 weeks are not enough time to say you quitted porn,i must say that your overall advice IS solid as fuck.
Quitting masturbation AND porn,especially if you don't have someone,is not only hard,by counterproductive.Think about it:
Your last orgasms was with Porn.You now went 1 month without orgasmisng and not watching porn.Your brain is hanging in the notion that you can only orgasms when porn is present.
Of course this is a bit far fetched.
I,myself,give you guys the same advice.If this is your first time trying to quit Porn,start with eliminating just that.Keep masturbating/fucking as you previously did. Then if you want to try the NoFap thing,go ahead(which is nothing more than sexual energy manipulation).
*One personal experince,is that if i masturbate(with NO sex) every 3rd or 4th day i can maintain high energy,withouy the dumb after orgasming.Try it.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thank you for your open mind
NotAlwaysAppropriate 8y ago
I've gone the no fap route for months. It just made me angry. I mean really angry. I'd wake up in the morning, feel angry, and spend the day feeling angry. I don't know what the positive benefits are supposed to be.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Try it this way. Just pornfree. There's a sub on Reddit. There's yourbrainonporn. I'm approaching a month of quit, but as I've said to other comments, i am not struggling. I have no anger, little to no urges, no cravings.
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Overzealous_BlackGuy 8y ago
Why is porn bad for someone who is actively dating or in a happy relationship?
Sometimes I rather rub one out than have the "get away from me feeling" after sex. I lose interest in whoever I finish having sex with for the next 20 minutes.
throwmebaba 8y ago
You start hypersexualizing your needs, your desires, your fetishes.
You lose interest in your own wife/gf. You subconsciously compare her. You forget that those pornstars go through surgeries, makeup, training, mind fucks, drugs, alcohol, suicides, etc to get how they are.
Your woman fails to satisfy you. You stop gaming her. You stop wanting her.
Etc
Overzealous_BlackGuy 8y ago
What happens if I get this same feeling without porn no matter who I'm dating?
I always seem to want someone else. Is this a sign I should avoid monogamy. Or is it normal to always want to fuck other women.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Normal to want to fuck different women. It's a male equivalent to hypergamy. But I'm not the person to speak about that, you have the legends in the sidebar to help you.
Quitting porn will bring you instantly closer to who you're dating. Be careful of oneitis though!
51m0n 8y ago
Just saying, Im not quitting. :)
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Lice138 8y ago
To each their own...some people like porn, there is nothing wrong with it. Im sure soon we will be hearing about his moral superiority he has achieved through only having sex in the missionary position and ONLY to create children.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I'll message you personally about that don't worry
Lice138 8y ago
It's cool bro. I enjoy ass, vag and mouth ( in an order that may surprise you ) and i tried this because i learned some things watching porn.
Eyeswears 8y ago
It's about not having control. These kids come on here reading about how porn is addictive and makes you a worse person but if you could just shake it off, you'd become a superhero. So they have all of these wild fantasies and when they fail, they become obsessed with it as a personal failure and crusade for everyone to understand their struggle as a Great Struggle worthy of admiration, respect, and mimicry. When in the end, all they needed to do was set personal goals and standards and work to achieve them and they would be happy. Happiness is actually really really simple: you do what you know you need to do. Most people are too lazy to actually follow through with that basic idea, though, so they keep looking externally for solutions. Everyone knows exactly what would make them happy and how to get it but they choose not to run uphill. And when they don't know, they convince others and themselves they do instead of putting themselves in a position of humility to ask.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I agree. I was among those who "fought the fap fight". I segregated the problem: the dirty thoughts from constant porn, the break in thought processes due to hypersexualized needs, the need to see beautiful women getting banged on the daily, the extreme changes in my sexuality due to constant use and desensitisation. These were all porn related. They were constantly changing factors. The only thing that was constant was my dick, my hand, the motions and the result.
I identified porn as the root of my problems, not masturbation. I cut porn.
Lice138 8y ago
K, so how is porn any worse than a romantic comedy?
Eyeswears 8y ago
If you're talking about how romantic comedy is called porn for women, I'd say there are some pretty significant differences... You don't masturbate to a rom com, normally... Having a full blown sexual release kinda changes things.
When you do it in the context of seeing a sexual image, you are associating an intense reward with a passive experience. That's fine if you want to be a passive person, but I don't think most people do.
At its heart, philosophically, rom coms are similar in the fact it they also involve being a spectator or passive observer of the pursuit of personal happiness by another person. If it is a typical one, it involves success, so you get a vicarious feeling of fulfillment which is nothing but empty diversion distracting you from being involved in the actual people around you.
At the end of the day, if you want to enjoy your own life, you have to spend time living it and getting good at it. If you don't want to be happy, spend your time watching other people have a great time instead. It's your life.
Lice138 8y ago
I was getting at Porn and Rom coms both set up unrealistic ideas of how a relationship should go.
Moonwlkr50 8y ago
I don't see porn as a bad thing. I've been watching porn since my early teens. But like anything else, I believe too much of it can have a negative impact. Now that I look back, it was when I got out of my 6 year LTR that my porn use started increasing.
I went a good year or so without any new partners (I was depressed). I was jerking off once or twice daily to porn and I have porn subreddits all over my Reddit feed where I casually click multiple links throughout the day. Pair this with smoking too much pot here and there and drinking a lot when I go out and I started seeing it impact my sexual performance when I actually did start dating again. Not all the time, but often enough that I was getting frustrated or embarrassed while making excuses. If I watched less porn or didn't masturbate I saw the problem go away (but I didn't really think a lot of it I just thought I was jerking too much).
Fast forward another year to now, and I'm seeing a girl I really like and I know I'm attracted to. I've been back with my old porn habits though. We've hung out at least 5 times. Each time we've gotten sexual I've been able to give her several orgasms whereas she's only been able to make me cum once in all the times we've hung out. My dick will either be slow to get up or my erection is good but my stamina/desensitization is so bad that I've either fucked myself soft or had to stop and finish myself off for her (like with vigorous fapping).
I'm definitely attracted to her and the chemistry is better than most any other girl I've been with. But now I can see it's impacting her confidence because she thinks she can't get me off. She's been really cool about the whole thing, but I can't keep doing this without trying to fix the problem. I'm basically about to cut all porn out now to see what impact it has. I've never tried this before in all the years I've watched porn, but I feel like I need to know. I will still jerk off, but less often and not to porn anymore. If I see improvement, that will be my cue that I've overdone it with porn. When I think about it, it makes sense though. Just like with drinking or drugs, it's not a party if it happens every day. You get bored of it mentally.
Maybe this is what I need. Idk. Point is I don't see this as a superiority choice or a need to cut all immoral shit out of my life. I see it as a thing that might be impacting my quality of life in general. The whole fantasy of porn is wishing you were doing what is on the screen. Now here I am trying to do just that, and the fantasy itself might be the reason I can't enjoy it. If that isn't reason enough to scale my porn use back, idk what is.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Just try it. In my 15 years, I either quit masturbation AND porn, or binged on both. This is with or without girlfriends. Heck, I even told myself porn induced ED was good because I would last so long.
Try cutting just porn.
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throwmebaba 8y ago
It'll feel very weird at first, This is what will happen step by step. First, you'll feel ridiculous holding your dick with no screen in front of you showing you how to feel. You may not even get it up the first time. Your mind will instantly try to short cut and pull up saved scenes to arouse you. Let go at this point and stop until the scene stops. Visualise it leaving your head. That ones gone. Bring up a real past experience. See if it'll get you off.
This helped me curb my masturbation automatically from multiple times a day to only twice in the last month. All the while no porn.
Just try to get used to no porn and remember masturbation is healthy.
Thanks for your feedback. I wish you luck! Please update on the progress.
[deleted] 8y ago
Haha.
I generally fap once in a while, especially when I am too exhausted to fuck. Masturbating to porn never affected me in any way.
I don't understand redpill's fascination with porn.
Lice138 8y ago
I have no idea. I don't like or watch porn but that is not out of any moral duty i feel i have. It's not my thing but I think its harmless.
jorgander 8y ago
I think it's similar to Alcoholics Anonymous' fascination with drinking, in that they've had such a problem with it and feel the need to warn others, and this is not a bad thing. For sure, any addiction has negative effects.
But not everyone gets addicted. For every addict, there are five who partake responsibly. If you're one of the addicts, or potential addicts, then by all means abstain. But the majority of us want to experience what life has to offer, whether it be alcohol, marijuana, or pornography, and have no problem recognizing how much is too much.
helgisson 8y ago
It's pretty strange. Especially all the "porn induced ED" stuff, which has been scientifically disproven recently. Yet it remains a myth on redpill that if you watch porn your dick won't work.
wtf793 8y ago
yourbrainonporn.com
If anything, it has been scientifically proven. This is new research. After the advent of tube sites in 2006, more and more people started getting ED and when they stopped watching porn/fapping they were back to normal.
It's just like how many people thought smoking was not detrimental to our health. In fact, fake research papers were published claiming there was no link between smoking and cancer.
Also don't you find it weird that the ads on porn sites are all about viagra and cialis?
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don't link a website link a study. that site is just mountains of anecdotal evidence and bullshit.
wtf793 8y ago
Alright. I challenge you to fap to porn for 3-4 times a day for full year. Watch the most hardcore stuff. And then get back to me if you don't get ED.
helgisson 8y ago
That's a shitty benchmark. No one does that in their normal life. Also, I've had days where I ejaculate 3 times in 12 hours (from sex and masturbation combined) and still get a boner if I'm naked in bed with my gf. The boners don't go away, my dick just gets sore. ED isn't even part of the equation.
wtf793 8y ago
I did. For a very long time. I was addicted to it and so it affected my life. They always said that porn is healthy and has no side effects. I just don't want others to fall into this trap. So yeah even if you do it 2-3 times a week, it could affect you later in life.
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that's obviously excessive though. most normal men don't fap that much. that's like me telling you "don't even drink beer ever", then saying "I want you to go drink 40 beers a day for 4 years and then tell me you think beer isn't bad".
you do realise most people fap to porn like 1-3 times a week right?
wtf793 8y ago
Alright. I used to fap 3-4 times a day and I thought I just had a high sex drive or something. Turns out I was addicted. There's a lot more people out there who think 3-4 times a day is fine.
Porn is like refined sugar. It's a supernormal stimulus. Today a guy can watch so many naked girls in one night, more than his ancestors would see in a whole lifetime. Too much sugar gives you diabetes. Too much of this gives you ED. Plus it also reduces our motivation to go out and talk to girls.
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i think its just pathetic to watch other people have sex while i jerk it. the time you spend searching for a vid could be spent trying to get real ass, in real life, thats how i look at it. but i do indulge from time to time cause im not a james bond level player, and sometimes i've gone weeks without pussy and i just cave. but yeah, fuck doing it daily.
BassNet 8y ago
What "dirty thoughts" are you talking about? I get dirty thoughts all the time regardless of whether I watch porn or not. You're supposed to be horny, it's normal.
throwmebaba 8y ago
As in flashes of porn scenes I liked even in religious settings, thinking dirty thoughts about women when with them which would interfere with my conversation/game/friendship; this led to pedestalization, led to fear, miscommunication, interference in my daily thoughts, my business thoughts, etc
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"even in religious setting", we've hit the nail on the head, you're religious and you feel dirty for having sexual thoughts. normal men don't care are just fine.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Sorry to burst your bubble, I am not overly religious, just do the weekly visit. It's a normal setting, like millions of other people.
The dirty thoughts in my head were almost 24/7 and wouldn't leave, they would interfere with everything, my social setting was getting messed up, I was dependant on the daily jerk, I was drained of energy all the time, among so many other things.
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Pornography addiction is something hard to talk about for most guys. It's seen as an acceptable behavior in most social circles and is often written off as a harmless behavior that 'all guys do.'
It's also one of the most harmful habits for a man to indulge in. It rewires your brain and completely fucks your ability to build healthy intimate relationships.
That shit is poison.
[deleted] 8y ago
I always had a hard time maintaning erections...
Alright fuck it you convinced me
helgisson 8y ago
The connection between porn and erectile dysfunction remains scientifically unproven according to two independent studies. Here's one of them:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12853/abstract
I'm not sure why the myth remains around here that this is a real issue.
[deleted] 8y ago
Is it connected to masturbation then?
If not you bet your ass i'm gonna keep jacking off
helgisson 8y ago
Not unless you're jacking off twice a day or more. Which most people aren't. Causes of ED that are much more likely include: old age, smoking, drinking, lack of exercise, being overweight, and anxiety/mood issues. If you clear yourself of everything on that list and still have ED, then maybe try jacking off less. But chances are it has nothing to do with it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Mmmh... My doctor said that it probably was performance anxiety. I mean, I do have a general anxiety disorder/depression, and I can get it up fine by myself... oh well.
helgisson 8y ago
Yeah man, it's definitely anxiety then. Work on getting your mind in a good place first. I've been there too, I know it's a bitch but it can be done.
Handbone1469 8y ago
Didn't read every comment yet but what are your thoughts on say jackin it to social media? Lots of girls I know constantly post some seriously sexy shit, so I guess its kind of like porn but just really softcore?
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Schwaggaccino 8y ago
Porn targets the dopamine pathway same as nicotine and drugs. You get that feel good urge and within minutes it's gone. It's a crazy imbalance. I've cut down on porn as well. Noticed that I've become more social, charming and outgoing.
Please note it's extreme difficult to go cold turkey. What you should be doing are baby steps. Slowly and gradually cut it out. One less porn video a week one and less masturbation session. It's much easier that way. Don't cold turkey you'll relapse hard. Set longer term goals and stick to it.
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better stay away from real sex, and delicious food, and music, and everything else fun, better yet just sit in a cave, don't wanna fuck up your dopamine balance !
Schwaggaccino 8y ago
Those are all actually positive influences in your life. Music barely releases any dopamine as compared to porn. Wtf are you on about?
throwmebaba 8y ago
Quitting porn wasn't difficult at all for me. It just took time to realise that I had to sever the link between porn and masturbation.
We are programmed to release our seed, masturbation has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Porn is recent.
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throwmebaba 8y ago
Good luck to you. Quit porn, your masturbation will go down. Porn is unhealthy, jacking is not.
CalfReddit 8y ago
Porn isn't unhealthy, but it may not be right for you.
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Porn hasn't effected me in this way since I was a teenager; fake, disgusting - even worse are dating site asking questions about sex and they always include bondage, pain, and abuse as a preference. Some people are going to have their kinks but when it's the majority of women, and most men get off on really twisted pornography - to me that seems more like stress of civilization driving us to seek an outlet for neurosis, than a natural outlet for sexual energy and curiosity. Rare where the couple is physically attractive and look like they are enjoying themselves in a mentally healthy fashion. America's pornography is all about fake tits and larger than life dicks while the whole thing plays out as an overly developed stage performance to compensate for a decreasing sensitivity, Japanese is rape, fat unattractive guys gang banging - sex is seen as a painful thing that must be forced upon. As if porn becomes a projection of how men are treated in their professional and personal lives, while women's sexual preferences are based upon the amount of hedonism she is allowed to get away with by society, like a drug addict who must keep increasing the potency to overcome tolerance.
ladopairts 8y ago
I would like to also add that, for men having trouble reaching orgasm from penetrative sex, start using a FleshLight to masturbate.
For those that don't have trouble reaching orgasm right now I would caution you that if you keep masturbating with your hands (with or without lube), the sensory nerves in your penis will eventually get used to your grip pressure and you may run into trouble orgasming later on.
I believe that this is a problem many older men have but few talk about it because it's sort of a taboo topic.
I also feel that circumcision contributes to this problem as well. I believe non-circumcised penises retain their sensation better than circumcised penises. Non-cut penises have a protective cover over the most sensitive part (right below the head on the underside), which prevents stimulation of the nerves. However I have never heard anyone talk about this. Or of any studies done about it. Which is weird, because it seems like a common sense kind of thing.
plasticslug 8y ago
Lot of comments here have not read through, wondered if there was any support for the fap? I mean we have no fap etc, and the constant post like these that claim how bad it is... But is it really that bad?
For example what if you had mastered the fap achieving both a mental release as well as a physical one. Most people get the only the physical release. While you are improving your self, making money, spitting your game etc. I have been in shitty LTR'S where yes I hate to admit it, the sex was dull and a good fap would do the trick after they left... Is a good wank really so bad?
throwmebaba 8y ago
A wank isn't bad man. Porn is bad.
Look up yourbrainonporn
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LidlKwark 8y ago
Masturbate every once a while, but try to quit porn. My two cents.
throwmebaba 8y ago
If you stop porn, your mind starts changing. My thoughts now go towards my gf. Where before saved clips of porn would play in my head, now things i want to do to my gf play. It makes me want to grab her, makes her feel wanted. Makes me happier. There's a lot more sex, a lot more unsolicited blowjobs. I love it
helgisson 8y ago
There's no scientific evidence to support the anti-porn arguments, and in fact most of it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Guys hear porn causes ED, they know they watch porn, they get worried about ED, then their worry turns to anxiety and it kills their boner when they go to have sex. (I know this because that's exactly what happened to me). It was never porn's fault to begin with.
EDIT: I would love for people to debate me on this instead of knee-jerk downvoting me cause they're mad. I'm open to other views, but so far I'm not convinced.
Horus_Krishna_5 8y ago
I don't understand how it can decrease your libido
Lionlocker 8y ago
Its called 'flatlining' and its a common phenomenon in quitting porn addiction.
Eastuss 8y ago
Me too, absence of sex sometimes makes me more willing it, and sometimes it makes me forget the need of it.
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Eastuss 8y ago
What if I want to stay with my wife? Because, in my country, marriage and children aren't economical rape.
Meat-on-the-table 8y ago
A very helpful tip: replace your porn usage with something. Whether you simply do push-ups or meditate or read--replacing your bad habit with another, good habit is highly recommended.
If you ever feel like relapsing, here's a bit of tough love for you
Cam4mia 8y ago
This. My porn activity had been linked to boredom/finding myself alone. Finally got a home gym for a healthy replacement.
SnarkyFella 8y ago
Just got back from fucking a girl and i couldnt cum. I think I am watching too much and jerking off too much/too quickly. Going to try doing monk mode for a few weeks to see if it helps.
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[deleted] 8y ago
honestly thats probably the only logical reason to quit porn. not because all this "i quit and then suddenly i have powers !" bullshit. it is creepy and weird to jerk off while other people fuck.
ethreax 8y ago
Amateur porn is real, so why do you say it's fake?
throwmebaba 8y ago
It's a fake experience. You aren't there. You aren't involved. You are just watching, and fantasising.
JFMX1996 8y ago
Yeah man. I get that. Fuck, I'd first started with that shit a few years ago when I was 13 and got my first phone. Was opening the browser and watching bitches get railed non-stop, haha. It started off with that and eventually it spiraled down a dark rabbit hole that got progressively worse. Dang, it actually wasn't too long ago that I was watching this shit. I'm surprised the stuff was even legal, haha. I was watching a video, then holy shit, I'd see 3 more interesting looking ones in the "suggested" section and open them up. Eventually would have like 25 opened up tabs and would spend so much time watching that shit.
Shit like facebashed and throatfucking and all sorts of stuff that left me looking at myself in shame after busting a few good nuts. It's despicable, I was getting off on watching this broads get degraded and humiliated in ways I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy. I still laugh my ass off about it to this day but holy fuck porn was ruining my expectations in general.
Every day I was going out, seeing these girls and with my hyper-sexualized mentality seeing them in the most deranged manner. Also, due to me seeing them as theses sex objects I'd sort of pedestalize them and be really cautious around them trying to please them and so forth. Big mistake.
Anyway, fast forward to now, to day 108 and I feel way different. I'm past the 90 day mark and haven't jacked off or watched porn ever since I made that commitment. I don't see girls as these sex objects now and am no longer putting them on a pedestal and am just more myself. Plus with all the shit I've learned and applied from Red Pill, my conversations with women is pretty awesome and I'm getting more numbers now and getting along better in general.
Also since I've stopped wasting so much time on that I spend it researching other stuff and reading which has benefited me far more.
You can't get rid of a habit without replacing it with another.
I'd strongly suggest reading "Awaken the Giant Within" by Tony Robbins. He has some awesome stuff in that book.
The first few weeks are difficult for most, but some have it easy and then they get really bad hardlines. I wouldn't discount NoFap so quickly. A lot of these dudes on here who bash it, for all we know, could also be people who don't want to give up their habit. Kind of like a drug addict or alcoholic who denies that its bad for them or that they could stop whenever they want to.
I've noticed since I stopped PMO my erections are way stronger too and actually added half an inch so I'm not complaining.
I'm just glad I cut that shit out now as a 20 year old and not letting myself continue on and be one of those creepy balding guys who has a huge porn collection wearing Hawaiian shirts and what not, going on forums and trying to hit up porn stars online.
Try going 90 days first, I think you would benefit from just having sex with another person and cutting out porn and masturbation. Masturbation is sort of just a thing we use to relieve stress and run from our problems, there's typically much better ways to approach that and save your nuts for blowing your load on your girls face. No fun when you spend it all by yourself.
See how long you can last without it, only limiting yourself to sex. Most people can't and try to rationalize against it, but to each their own.
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The best 87 days of my life were when I was on that NoFap streak. It could me a coincidence, but I feel like that wasn't the case.
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I started when I was twelve, was an everyday user by fifteen and I'm late twenties now with a mind that has been fried from porn use. I can still fuck like I'm nineteen, but my idea of intimacy is not the same as non-users.
Even worse, my little brother just turned thirteen. My dad recently had to password protect all the devices in the house and limit the internet connection because he was subscribing to online sites and buying movies. A thirteen year old boy watching gangbang and choke fetish porn, it's awful. I don't want him to end up going through what I have.
JFMX1996 8y ago
Yeah man, it's fucked up what people do as they even practically market teenagers. They try to pass it off as normal to appease the consciences of the youth. Indoctrinate them at a young and malleable age and you'll have a loyal customer for a long time.
It's shitty. Poor kid, I hope he learns. Ever introduced him to NoFap? yourbrainonporn(dot)com by any chance?
Hexyl68 8y ago
Funny, you talk about women getting degraded, but used the word "broads."
DICKPIXTHROWAWAY 8y ago
Yeah bc getting throat fucked until you gag is the same as using the term "broad".
Mos def bro
JFMX1996 8y ago
Yeah I don't care about their degradation that much. Words are words. Actions are a whole other thing. More the fact that I was getting off to complete breaking of any sense of self-respect and also losing my own in the process.
Hexyl68 8y ago
I applaud your efforts. I sincerely wasn't critiquing. I was being a goof.
JFMX1996 8y ago
Oh, haha. No hard feelings. I'd actually laughed a little when I first read it but wasn't sure if you were a one of those feminists that occasionally comments on the Red Pill sub.
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Respectfully, 3 weeks off of any addictive behavior is a really small sample size.
My personal best is 6 months off.
Lesson from experience: thinking you've won is when you are most vulnerable. That goes for anything you can get addicted to
throwmebaba 8y ago
I'll keep it in mind. Thank you. I know how overconfidence can fk things up.
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Anymation 8y ago
I was looking for you. Honestly this stuff seems ridiculous for me
StoicCrane 8y ago
This sounds morbid AF but throughout the day everytime you think about porn go into a nearby Cemetary and think of dying diseased people. Do it continuously. The more you make a cross association between porn, pain , and death the more of a turn-off it'll be. Way I cut off my habit.
Dookiestain_LaFlair 8y ago
I tried that, now I want to fuck dead people too.
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ladopairts 8y ago
I think OP really has the right idea here.
I've tried the "NoFap" thing many times and I always end up relapsing.
I would say the following are the key to success:
1 - Pick a quit date. It helps if it is more significant (like New Years or a Birthday, or even just the first of the month)
2 - Delete your browser history and any saved videos or pictures
3 - Buy a FleshLight. You can get them for under $80 and they last forever. Only masturbate with it. This will help reduce the frequency you masturbate because setting it up requires a bit of effort. Plus it prevents the "death grip" phenomenon.
I think masturbation is healthy, but too much is definitely not.
Sheepie26 8y ago
That's all I needed to hear. My girlfriend has been out travelling for 2 months and I've been relying on other girls on porn to get off. This post brought me back to the point that if I jerked off to porn before I saw my girlfriend I wouldn't be as hard, would have less to give, and much less cum for her.
You're right.
throwmebaba 8y ago
Thank you! I'm glad you understand. Many people on this sub are harsh, judgemental or strongly opinionated; but they forget that we post on here to help each other. If this even helped one person, we have reached our goal as a community :)
daydaypics 8y ago
The hentai is too dank tho
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Fredo100 8y ago
Glad to see people on TRP knowing about the ill effects of pornography and masturbation. In the Blue pill world, it is perfectly fine and even considered "Healthy" but we know the truth. It's basically a smaller form of castration and makes males much more "obedient" and more likely to follow society like sheep without any retribution.
surgeon_general 8y ago
Why are pornography and masturbation "basically a smaller form of castration and makes males much more obedient and more likely to follow society like sheep without any retribution?" I'm just trying to understand your post.
Fredo100 8y ago
When you constantly give yourself an orgasm through porn and masturbation, your brain generates huge amounts of dopamine which is an antagonist of it's own receptor so your dopamine receptors becme less sensitive, and since it is responsible for pleasure and motivation, you will be less likely to take action (such as lifting or going rallying against society), and taking action will feel way less enjoyable than it would if you didn't masturbate so often. Not only that, it also reduces the sensitivity of androgen receptors which has the same effect of having lower testosterone and other manly hormones. I've been trying to find the studies for this but cannot find it anymore. I will link if i do.
When the manly hormones are reduced you become naturally more feminine and weak, therefore become more accepting of other things which they generally wouldn't accept. Just try abstinence over a 2 week period and tell me if you feel any difference. I've done this enough times to notice. My workouts feel better during abstinence because not only is the more sensitive dopamine receptors allowing me to motivate myself easily, but it gives me more pleasure doing it. I feel less anxious to approach and speach comes out naturally (No idea why this is, but it happens everytime i go on a long streak and not placebo cause i never expected this in the first place. Maybe this is caused by more stable hormones from not giving your brain an electroshockwave of dopamine every single day. There are countless other benefits, just give it a go.
surgeon_general 8y ago
Interesting. I'm still undecided about the goodness/badness of pornography. I have simply made a rule that I am only allowed to engage in alpha fantasies- and that sure beats masturbating to the thought of another man having sex with the girl. But between your post and the rest of this thread, I'm going to give abstinence a shot and see how it feels.
Fredo100 8y ago
Great. People naturally go on the defence when something that generates dopamine for them is being attacked. Good to see open minded people.
Eyeswears 8y ago
Because when men aren't getting sexual release, they get restless and want to destroy and create things, all of which may not agree with the existing status quo, in social, political, and cultural spheres.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Lmfao. Talk about pseudo scientific nonsense.
sea_weasel 8y ago
Elliot Rodgers, an infamous college shooter killed several young students in a hate induced rage, all because he could not get laid to save his life, let alone develop even a friendship with the opposite sex.
Sure, he was a psychopath (undiagnosed, but the dude went on a random killing spree) but his reaction to having no success with women is not uncommon.
Sadness, shame, and anger will eventually lead to something happening.
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Elliot Rodgers was a bitter incel who went on a shooting spree because he was mentally ill.
GC0W30 8y ago
That would have quickly devolved into hopeless beta orbiting. Unless he was in a friendship with a woman older than his mom, he would have wound up shooting her when she refused to put out.
Such a damned shame he was hung up on chicks that were California dimes. If he had been willing to settle for a 5 or 6, that damned incel rage could have been drained into a low-self-esteem-having fat girl on the nightly, and he might be in therapy instead of the grave.
Avskygod0 8y ago
I never understood how people can watch porn
It's more often than not straight out gross and feels like cuckery
throwmebaba 8y ago
There are people who watch porn and don't masturbate. Imagine.
Sensei_Hensei 8y ago
Not to shit on your motivation but you have to cut both porn and masturbation. At least for your first 90 days around. It's easy to bowl a 300 with the bumpers on.
Also recovering from porn is a marathon not a 40 yard dash. Once again not to discredit your counter but 20 something days is just the beginning and you feel invincible right now. But those urges are always lurking. Remember when the motivation wears off discipline is more important.
Reboot well friends.
throwmebaba 8y ago
I've tried that multiple times over my last 15 years. Haven't made it past a month with daily struggles, minute by minute fights in my head. No masturbation; stress is building up, hormones are raging, can't think straight, super horny.
This time around I'm calm, I'm in the zone. I'm getting sex and head from my girl, so release is present. This whole post is just about quitting porn. It has nothing to do with nofap.
DirtyProject0r 8y ago
My bottleneck is not my desktop pc (have installed a porn blocker on that one) but my phone. Sometimes when I come home from going out I cannot help to think of masturbating and then look up porn on my phone.
How do I block porn on my phone?
LidlKwark 8y ago
Discipline might help. Not saying that it's easy, but it's still a concious decision that only you have control over.
throwmebaba 8y ago
This was my problem too.
So as my post says, you get horny, then you think to masturbate, then you use porn.
Try to skip the porn part. Go from being horny to masturbation, try thinking of an experience you've had yourself. You'll see about porn becoming more and more useless.
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You can't. tried several times.
ladopairts 8y ago
Don't look at the porn. Just masturbate without it. Draw on past experiences.
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throwmebaba 8y ago
I can't explain it; I haven't had porn urges. I have only been horny, masturbated twice in the last month to real experiences, in my head.
The further I get away from it, the better I'm feeling. There are no porn cravings at all.
I think it's the habitual association of porn to masturbation, then the hypersexuality that porn creates that gets you.
gareiu 8y ago
whats so sad about this is that you already have a gf, and you still watch porn? the other sad thing that i see is that you treat porn like it's the devil or satan, no. porn is just porn and you can watch it because you have the power to, but you dont have to make it taboo because that will actually draw you in more, you'll relapse soon with porn, i can guarantee it. but if you see porn as just porn then thats all there is to it, plus you have a gf so wtf are you complaining about?
throwmebaba 8y ago
Bro, don't be upset. Don't be judgemental. Don't predict other people's futures. Rather you'd be in a better position to learn something from my post and the responses by other members.
Porn is a problem, and it can come in between you and your girlfriend. It pollutes your mind with nonstop dirty thoughts. There's a lot of issues that porn presents. It is as bad as I make it sound.
Check out yourbrainonporn on the internet. Read a bit, learn a bit. I wish You luck on your journey if you are also a porn user.
gareiu 8y ago
so why not both? i learn and ridicule, what's bad about it? it's not judging, i'm just saying the truth. it's pretty sad that you having a gf needs porn and when you put this in a comparative example, you'd be happy you're not someone who doesn't have a gf and still addicted to porn
porn is a problem, i agree with it, but you have a fucking gf. how the fuck does that make it a problem?
yes, i'm reading anti porn things a lot too