Many Red Pills
There are many red pills one might encounter as he grows. Many who grew up religious eventually experience the epiphany of atheism (or the logical inconsistencies of religion). Very few who grow up with a particular view of politics keep that view into their older age. And for us, we grew up thinking that the secret to happiness was love, and the secret to love was being a good, faithful husband.
We’ve already covered the ingredients for the initial state of the blue pill mindset. And I’ll discuss what I think keeps people perpetually there in a future essay. But what is the mechanism that is used to look past our biases and preconceived notions to formulate a more functional world-view? What gives us permission to suggest the unthinkable when our culture is built in such a way that we are immediately ostracized and suspect if we were to admit our counter-cultural hypotheses?
Part of it is easy- you don’t have to accept Red Pill truths to test them. You could dip a toe in without selling your soul to the devil. Many did just this and discovered instant results with women. Just trying out the tips you’ve read here can give you immediate results that you can bank on. Very few would go back to failure after tasting success.
But there’s more to the discovery of reality, or our approximation of it, than making up random hypotheses and testing them. Something drives us and points us in a particular direction. That something is a combination of observation and gut, an unconscious effort giving us a ‘vibe’ that something’s wrong, even if we aren’t exactly sure what it is. Two possible worldviews collide, and your mind must resolve the cognitive dissonance between the two; that’s the feeling that drives the pursuit of truth.
You’ve been told since grade school that the moon has no air to breathe, and that nobody lives there. There is little reason to think otherwise. But if you arrived on the moon at a future time and discovered a full atmosphere full of breathable air, and a population of moon-men, you might suspect something is wrong. Undoubtedly, most people would assume that either they’ve gone crazy and can’t trust their senses, or that our school books were wrong. But you cannot hold both views- that the moon is habited and uninhabited simultaneously. Your mind must build one model with which to work, and so it rejects information it does not believe meshes with the rest of your world view.
And that brings us to our example...
All Women Lie About Rape
My observations and understandings about rape and sexual assault have a few conflicts. On one side of the coin, I’m told by the media, my liberal friends, college professors, and the women in my life that rape happens constantly. Every woman I know has a rape or attempted rape story. Every woman I know can talk about the time they were sexually assaulted. I know literally one woman who hasn’t given me this sob story (so I raped her…. Kidding, I’m dating her).
But on the other side I don’t know a single man who is interested in raping women. I know many guys who lament their sexlessness, and others who bemoan long dry spells. But not one has given me a reason to think they’d rather rape than go without. Most are characterized by pain, caused by undesirability rather than the lack of sexual release. Rape wouldn’t make women desire them, so it wouldn’t cure their problem.
If sexual release were the point of rape, there are easier and less dangerous ways to go about achieving said release. Although prostitution isn’t legal everywhere, even hiring a prostitute where it’s not legal is both more pleasurable and less risky than raping somebody. If legality were still too high a risk that you’d avoid a prostitute, it stands to reason that rape is even farther down your list of options, and travel to a place of legal prostitution is inexpensive anyhow.
Some make a point that rape isn’t about sex, but rather about control and power. If I kidnapped you and put you in a dark room for three days, that would be an example of control over you. I could just as easily kill you afterwards. That would be control sans sex. Certainly then, we can understand that the crime of control is not explicitly about sex, nor is sex explicitly about control. Needless to say, if somebody were to rape – that is, take control over somebody else and have sex with them – then they’d be more closely related to the group of monsters who control other people (kidnappers, killers, etc), rather than in the group of people who have or want sex (everybody on the damn planet).
I’m not convinced rape is simply about control, I think that’s an over simplification. But I think it would be hard to suppress the male libido in an otherwise completely psychotic male who has already decided to kidnap or otherwise assault a woman. In that sense, I’d say sex is a weapon in the hands of psychos. Most men find themselves thinking about sex on a regular basis. Luckily, most men are not psychotic. There doesn’t seem to be a public opinion that most men are likely kidnappers, attempted killers, or otherwise criminals. It should stand to reason, then, that most men are not rapists, since these groups are more closely related than not.
By this point, there are a few pedants out there banging their heads on their desks because I’ve contradicted myself about rape. I stated at the beginning of this series that All Women Lie about Rape. How could I have this conversation at all if I didn’t believe in rape in the first place?
It should go without saying that yes, there are rapists out there. And, despite my inflammatory title, there are obviously rape victims out there as well. If you’re smart- something didn’t line up for you about my title. You might have gotten a feeling in your gut that what I said didn’t quite match your observations.
But that’s not the only thing that gives me that feeling. There’s another extraordinary claim being made: Almost half of all women experience rape or sexual assault.
We know observational data tells us neither is true. So how do you move forward on this information?
We’ve got a ton of victims, and an invisible enemy that doesn’t match observational data. Admittedly, I don’t understand or observe murderers either, but our culture has been happy to dismiss them as either unlikely, maladjusted, mentally ill people, or people caught in a crime passion (and that’s actually a defense! Imagine defending rape as a crime of passion!).
Our culture treats rape very differently. Every male is a potential rapist. Our culture accepts rape to such a degree, many men aren’t even aware they’re raping and need to be sent to classes to teach them not to rape! Becoming a rapist isn’t a rare disease you hope not to get, it’s genetic for men. There are sensitivity seminars at student orientations on campuses world-wide. They teach our students the perils of accidentally having sex with a woman.
Of course I can’t tell you the inner workings of every single man on the planet, but I can tell you the inner workings of my own head. Rape wouldn’t be pleasurable to me. If getting my rocks off were the goal, there’s plenty of internet porn, lotion, or prostitutes to get the job done. Sex is fun for me because of the surrender. The surrender is the challenge. Most men I know agree with this assessment.
So how do you reconcile these two viewpoints that don’t match? Do all women lie about rape? Probably not, since it’s unlikely that this is the one crime on earth not being committed. Are all rape stories true? Once again, that seems unlikely, as we know that some percentage of all accusations are false, it would be odd for the universe to select rape accusations as the only thing people don’t lie about.
The world view that we must choose is that some rape accusations are true, and then gauge to what extent these must be true. It would be hard to determine the validity of every accusation, since most rapes don’t have spectators, and we can’t read minds.
It’s safe to say at least some of these accusations are false, because we know from personal experience that when we’re present we’re not seeing physical rapes take place, nor are we seeing men going from woman to woman groping as many breasts as they can find. If half of all women experienced this, surely at least a small percentage would take place in way that would have to be observed by an onlooker. Perhaps not, though, since rape happens in private.
If these crimes were hidden from public view, certainly at least the mindset of men would reveal that these crimes take place. We’d hear tales of rape in the locker room. We’d hear tips exchanged on how best to commit a rape, and what the most pleasurable rape methods might be. At the very least, we'd know men who aren't against rape.
Much like the fact that I don't personally know any men that would murder anybody, I do not know any men who would rape.
As an aside, it's fascinating that when you say "I don't know personally anybody who is a murderer" most people are perfectly fine with such a statement. Obviously there are murderers out there, but they are few. The statement is most likely true, as most people simply don't know any murderers. But when you say that you don't know anybody who would rape, the public reception to such a statement changes. Rape is a dark crime committed by all men regardless of ethics or personality. You simply don't know that they're rapists. I reject such nonsensical reasoning.
Since we’re seeing all demand but no supply, we must assume that the amount of accusations being made is simply not matched by the amount the crime must take place. If we conclude that false accusations are possible, then there are some questions this raises:
- What are the advantages to advertising false rape statistics?
- How can false rape accusations affect my life personally?
- Who is likely to make a false accusation?
- Can I predict when I might be a victim of a false rape accusation?
- Who benefits from false rape statistics?
Not every subject will raise the same questions. A claim about global warming might raise questions such as “How soon will this affect me?” and “What changes can I make in my life today, if this is real?” But every subject that requires scrutiny can still be screened in a similar fashion. What mechanisms can we use to determine whether we’re on the right track or not?
This will be addressed in my next installment.
mynameisalso 7y ago
Stupid shit like this is why MRA are never taken seriously. Congratulations OP, you're a jackass.
hicctl 7y ago
QUOTE:"But on the other side I don’t know a single man who is interested in raping women."
Here you make a common mistake. You think because so many women report sexual assaults, there must be many men doing it, but that is not true. A single predatory man, who just does 10 assaults a year, does 300 in 30 years. So a single predator can cause 300 stories of sexual assault from different women, there do not have to be all that many, and 10 a year is not really much, it is less then 1 a month. A really predatory man can easily do more.
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You should have changed the title.I know you don't care a fuck, because you probably live in a country where, indeed you can go to jail just because women have the leverage but what about the rest of the world?
Do you think that Reddit is available only within the "borders" of the western society?
My grandma, who survived two rapes, would have kicked your ass right now, as she kicked the asses of those men who tried to take advantage of her.
The title is nonsense, since even you claim that not all women lie about rape.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
Perhaps then, you might realize there's a reason for my title. Have you read all three installments?
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lakezurich 7y ago
your post seems to me like a bonfire of strawmen... you associate rape strictly with outlier kidnap by psychos. but campuses have advisories because kids get drunk and thenhave been known to ignore the protests of a girl/ fuck a girl when shes comatose. it happens. its rape. and because its really awful,that's why the blokes dont talk about it in the locker room.
and also you say that if half of women have been assualted, then surely we'd have seen it. perhaps yes if half of women were assaulted continually? because otherwise your logic seems out of whack. maybe its me who misunderstands..?
also: why would women lie about it? doesnt it similarly take an outlier nutcase to lie about being assaulted? are most women like this?
cheers for taking any time to consider my points, and sorry if theyre a bit garbled ... i just wrote it as it came out!
iamlikethewindbaby 7y ago
Women lie about rape all the time. There seems to a news story about a wrongfully convicted man being released every other week.
We've had law enforcement come out and say things like "the majority of rape claims we encounter are false" and then get lambasted for it.
I had a girl tell me once that only 1 of her 15 sexual encounters had been consensual.....
Surleschemins 7y ago
According to statistics most of the rapists are people close to the victim. Family, friends, friends of friends, colleagues, etc. The cliché of the guy raping a girl in a dark alley because her skirt was too short is, well, a cliché. And I can swear to you, for having friends in the law enforcement, that rapes within family or friends is a far too common thing.
crushedsombrero 7y ago
If a woman/girl is assaulted once, that's all it takes to be included in the disturbing stat. if she reports it. Which means it can be a very small minority of people assaulting other people. Men/boys are also assaulted at a rather high rate. I guess they are lying too? You act like the stat means that 40-60% of men are rapists; as if that's what women are claiming. There are violent people and people who want to abuse others who are less powerful. It's not a men vs women issue. What you are attempting to do is perpetuate stereotypes of women being liars when really men and women lie sometimes and men and women don't lie sometimes. You drive a wedge which is grotesque. People are raped and molested. It's a real problem and your posts make it easier for some who already hate to have a justification for not showing compassion for our fellow human beings who have been abused. Just bc you dress this shit up as some high minded analysis, doesn't make it not stink.
Edit: grammatical error
TALzFGxawb 7y ago
i think your definition of rape doesn't line up with their definition of rape. by their definition, i've definitely seen rapists (by their definition) at bars and parties, and i also get why it's a problem. you can call them liars, or you can accept that "rape" is a label for a concept, and not a concept itself, and you're using the label for different things that have similar but distinct meanings
when you think of rape, you're thinking of some guy grabbing a woman, dragging them off, maybe tying them up or threatening them with violence, having sex with them. (maybe murdering them, either to silence them or just because the guy is nuts)
what women are talking about when they say rape is something less existentially threatening, but traumatizing nonetheless. some guy who won't leave them alone at the party, following them to another room, laughing and making jokes when they try to lose him or subtly try to get him to stop. this guy uses a combination of persistence, physical force (picking her up, dragging by the hand. not hitting, at least in public), and social pressure (making her look like the jerk for not complying, or making his absurd requests seem normal because others in the room aren't calling him on it). i'm not sure what happens after that, but presumably he holds her down and fucks her, and she feels completely powerless.
i know that sounds almost identical to what y'all think women want. but i've seen it in several cases, and there's a clear difference in demeanour when they want it vs when they don't, and there's a clear difference in men that care whether the woman wants it, and the ones that don't. it's alpha vs psychopathy (they can overlap, but often don't).
anyway, you should keep an eye out for those men. not only do they make women feel gross and traumatized, they make you look weak for letting them do it right in front of you, and it'll hurt your chances with everyone else in the room. best way to deal with them in my experience is to get it in your head that they're in your space, and they're trashing it (from there, kicking them out or making them stop comes naturally).
Shadow_R34per 7y ago
Right, and I'm sure every man who is planning to rape is dying to tell you about it.
baronmad 7y ago
When it comes to rape, and experiences of rape feminism has diluted the word rape to such an extreme form i have even heard of "benign rape" what actually transpired was a guy not even using direct language suggesting that sex could be on the meny, she declined and their day went on, that is what is called "benign rape" they have diluted the word to such a degree it has lost all its actual meaning. So for women who adhere to feminism they often take on this diluted form of rape. All of a sudden anything that could even be misconstrued as sexual can be refered to as rape to garner sympathy and its a free victim card which is the highest currency in the pc culture, it is what places you above others, the card you play when you want others to listen to you.
Just look at what is being reported as rape by young impressionable girls in collage, they swollow feminism whole without so much as tasting it, being lured in by that warm secure feeling of "you are the victim nothing is ever your fault" in comes a guy, awkwardly asking her out and she agrees, they go to the movies and he drives her home, when she leaves the car he tries to steal a kiss "RAPE" where do you think all these false rape accusations comes from, from feminism itself because it doesnt give a fair representation of the real world.
What is even worse to me personally is that this victim narrative is directly harmful to these individuals, it robs them of what is the most valuable to all of us, our agency, our will to navigate reality to a certain goal. It traps these people into being "failures" if one would choose such a word for it. They cant aspire to anything, they live underthe notion that the world happens to us, and not that we happens to the world which is the truth so far as i can tell.
If one wishes to dismantle the pc culture, identity politics and social justice warriors, the only direct route of attack as i see it is to make these people think that no one should have, or do have the right to speak on another persons behalf. It robs them of all their power, they think in term of the collective and if we make them start to think in terms of that no individual has the right to speak on another individuals behalf it all comes crashing down.
What do we see from these groups constantly, a sob story, a victim narrative, "feel sorry for me" and then they proclaim to speak for the whole group. Why is intersectional feminism needed? It gives them more power, now they can claim the voices of other minority groups so they can wield more power. If they lose the ability to speak for others, nothing works anymore since their path to power has been erased.
PatrickIIDX 7y ago
False rape accusations are going to promote gender segregation. The more guys know that women are likely to do this, the less likely men are going to interact with women. That's one reason why MGTOW exists. Eventually in the future, the people will demand a 1984 big brother where there are cameras in people's eyes and speakers in people's ears and every room will have cameras and speakers with every video footage being automatically uploaded in to a cloud that has over 200,000 zetabytes of storage space to store 24/7/365 footage because people lie to much about everything. Not to mention, I deal with a friend who has false memory syndrome claiming I did something I didn't do and people will always want to prove it.
rombios 7y ago
or just do what my friends and i do , install cheap hidden cameras in your apt, bedroom, living room, kitchen. but those 1/4 inch signs that say your premises is under surveillance tape it to bottom of inside door.
who cares whats legal for video taping its my home. does manager of 711 or staples ask you if you are ok being tapwd in their premises.
if am headed to jail on false rape charges shes going to be internet famous.
this threat happened to one of our friends before we all wised up.
linux has free open source software for video surveillance using cheap $10 usb webcams. it will upload encrypted videos to cloud or ftp server of your choice (for cases where judge sends police goins to seize your equipment)
PatrickIIDX 7y ago
I should definitely get some cameras and record 24/7. Do you by chance know the name of the open source software that uploads videos to the cloud? This would help just incase someone tries to go after me.
tekn0_ 7y ago
One of the main reason many women claim rape is to get access to the disability money from the govt. You get paid $1000+ per month in disability and get access to therapy with that money. Having seen what a real third world country looks like, I suppose its an easy life to live. Not to mention all the attention you get for the pity party you throw upon others.
Betterthanuatlife 7y ago
What really bothers me is that false rape accusations are widely accepted in schools. All a girl has to do is to point at a guy and yell rapist and he's pretty much expelled immediately. Remember back when black men were lynched by hordes of angry hicks because a white woman claimed he raped her? A 15 year old boy had his brains bashed in with a baseball bat by a beta male vigilante due to lies dripping from a whore's cunt mouth. We seem to be doomed to repeat history.
SatanAscending 7y ago
sounds like:
Huh. Where did I heard that last time, I wonder?
starkmatic 7y ago
It's interesting to think that this narrative out there now about assault is essentially made and propagated to keep the 80% of creepy men down and that's it. That's the primary purpose and its hive mind mentality for women to help other women out bc they would be mortified if a bottom 80% was to even touch another woman. That poor thing she must have been assaulted.
vankorgan 7y ago
Just so we're clear, you are admitting that rapists exist. And that some women have been raped? How can any man be sure that a woman is making it up? How can any man be sure that the individual woman he's talking to hasn't actually been raped? If certain people always lied about being robbed, and someone told me they'd been robbed, how could I know if they had actually been robbed?
TyrannyVengeance 7y ago
Listen to the song "date rape" by sublime...
Even date rape has changed.
Date rape is now standard rape (promotion) and regret sex is "date rape".....
Welcome to the game kids. Make them beg for it.
TyrannyVengeance 7y ago
My wife hates rape lol. I have been drinking, she's gonna rape me later for sure. I can't consent and she doesn't drink.
Cheers to double standards and tequila!
NaughtyFred 7y ago
Step 1: Wait for a woman to say "All men are potential rapists"
Step 2: Reply with "All women are potential child molesters"
Step 3: Enjoy the cognitive dissonance which follows
The key word is "potential"
adjective 1. having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
noun 1. latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.
In other words men have limbs, genitals and a brain (everything needed to perform a rape) so it's true to say that all men have the potential to be a rapist...but so do women! They have limbs, genitals and a brain (everything needed to molest children) so it's equally true to say that all women are potential child molesters.
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riverraider69 7y ago
I'm assuming you're familiar with the "I notice that I am confused" mantra?
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
Yes, and that's a great link too. Check out part three when you get a chance!
HoffAmazing 7y ago
One part that is completely ignored is the level of secrecy people are able to maintain. In the world of pedophilia, the actual worst crime imaginable, you are dealing with people you would never imagine could be like that. The local priest, school teacher, or press secretary, they have now been proven to be possible pedophiles. Are all of them? Of course not. But was there a seriously major issue that has finally seen some light and no one really knows the magnitude of the abuse? Yes.
Eastuss 7y ago
This is way too long, you repeat the same ideas over and over and they are rather simple. You spent 2/3 of the texts to tell us about cognitive dissonance. REALLY? And you admit yourself that the title is just a bait.....
There are major flaws in your argumentation (which /u/psirico123 exposed), and fallacies.
This really doesn't deserve 2 sticky posts.
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Obviously the title is click bait. It is not true that all women lie about rape. It is true that a lot of lies are told about rape. The, ahem, 'statistics' about one in four, or 5 out of 4, or whatever it is in the current year, are clearly lies. Nothing surprising there, because the statistics come from feminists. Official statistics say the rate is 0.7% (slightly lower in college populations) in the US, but bear in mind that this includes successful false rape accusations. It also includes 'rapes' that aren't true rapes but the law now says they are, such as if the woman was drunk when she said yes. It was consensual sex, and it is just garbage that a woman cannot consent if she is drunk (but a man can), yet she is still responsible for anything else she does while drunk. But that is another topic.
In part, on the society level, it is just the usual feminist power-grab coupled with the determination of officialdom to keep men battened down, no different from the 'gendered' response to DV, which is also bullshit. On individual levels, it is hysteria, and the usual bullshit that we are familiar with that comes from women - attention-seeking, wanting to elicit sympathy as a victim, fantasizing that they are so desirable that a man couldn't control himself around her, etc. Keeping in mind that women are encouraged to do this, particularly in universities now.
What we can be reasonably sure of is, a) that rapes do occur and always have, but they are very rare, and b) most rape accusations are false. The actual numbers are difficult to pin down, not only because most who make an official report are lying, but there are also women who were genuinely raped who do not report it, and we don't know either figure (and keeping in mind that if a woman says she was raped but chose not to report it she may be lying too - in fact I would say the probability is greater, as she is afraid an official investigation would expose her lie).
The other question is, how serious a crime is it? I think nobody doubts that it is near the upper end of seriousness, but feminists would have us believe it is the most heinous crime that can be committed (for obvious motives). I'm not buying that. Apart from genocide, murder, child molesting, etc, I would say it is also a lesser crime than making a false rape accusation, and also a lesser crime than cuckolding or paternity fraud. From what I have read, rape victims commonly become depressed, but recover on average in five months. Clearly it has a big impact, but having sex when you don't want to is not in the same league as spending several years in prison for a crime you didn't commit, likely being raped yourself (other inmates like to white knight), and being a pariah in society from then onwards. Also, while it is bad for a woman to not be able to chose the genes of her offspring (evolutionarily speaking), it is even worse for a cuckold or victim of paternity fraud, as the children don't have his genes at all.
Also, most of the reasons that made rape so bad (dangers of childbirth, and difficulty getting a good marriage thereafter if you did have the child successfully) are pretty much gone.
In short, a storm in a teacup, and just a power grab, on the whole.
Horus_Krishna_5 7y ago
using click bait titles is blue pillish. just state the facts concisely.
conquerlifegroup 7y ago
It's honestly hard to express how amazed I am that you're choosing to do this installment, nor how grateful. Being falsely accused of rape is on a higher list of fears for me than being murdered. You are greatly appreciated.
off_i_go 7y ago
Well written but why is this stickied? Just because you're a moderator doesn't mean your threads should be automatically put to the top.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
We decide the message and tone of our page. When we can't find the content we want on the front page, we sticky or write it ourselves. You're welcome.
Horus_Krishna_5 7y ago
kind of seems like you're trying to make red pill look bad
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
That makes sense. You know how much I hate the red pill.
TomFoo 7y ago
Every woman has a victim mentality. Every woman has daddy issues.
No woman wants to take responsibility for her own actions. No woman would take private justice over public attention.
Every woman wants to be conquered. But they don't want to say it.
This is what we mean by AWALT, feminine imperative, solipsism, hypergamy, shit testing, dualistic alpha/beta sexual strategy. It means this is the default setting. Start with that, work your way backwards.
FTFY. Alpha means nothing more than getting away with anything. In other words, grab 'em by the pussy. If you're alpha, they'll be squirming with delight.
GamingAtheist 7y ago
You are a fucked up person you now that?
TomFoo 7y ago
Welcome to The Red Pill. Take a look at all the goodies in the sidebar, if you haven't already.
Horus_Krishna_5 7y ago
all the talk of rape is offensive to the senses but yeah is red pill supposed to just ignore this topic
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[deleted] 7y ago
Another forgotten fact about rape, children and men are victims as well. Why are feminists so worried about sexual dynamics at college while kids are being raped for real? Why is their no attention focussed on men who get raped in prison? Why don't they focus their attention on places where women really do get raped a lot (the Congo, Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram)?
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newName543456 7y ago
Boko Haram are Islamists, and acknowledging their wrongdoings would spoil the main narrative of multiculturalism, which most staunch feminists subscribe to.
How do feminists reconcile claiming to fight for the rights of women while ignoring many women being violated when it opposes their narrative? Most just change the subject or ignore it.
jcrpta 7y ago
Feminists, in my experience, don't even understand what evidence is.
They will invariably give exactly the same credence to some nobby nobody's blog as they will to peer-reviewed science. Trying to get anything that constitutes genuine evidence for any of their assertions is like trying to get blood out of a stone; they'll listen to anyone who agrees with them and ignore anyone who disagrees while paying no heed at all to the credibility of assertions they're agreeing with.
I honestly think they don't understand that this simply isn't how you establish anything with any degree of truth. So, in answer to your question "how do they reconcile this...?" - they don't need to. They can simply ignore anything that doesn't marry up with their worldview.
Shadow_R34per 7y ago
aren't most kids raped by men or something?
17rashaa 7y ago
I'm not arguing with your points or anything but I live in Nigeria and I'm in university and I don't know anyone who has being raped or even sexually asaulted. Not even accusations and certainly not on the scale it happens on in the west and theres almost zero accusations of lack of consent due to overindulgence. There are other problem but rape (or accusations of) is not an issue at all.
[deleted] 7y ago
I should have qualified the comment about Nigeria to the Boko Haram situation.
logicalthinker1 7y ago
doesn't fit the narrative: us women are victims of these evil bastard men and we need to be supported, given attention, given social status, etc. because of it.
TomFoo 7y ago
I don't know how TRP is still on Reddit.
Keep this going, RPS and veterans/EC's.
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drkstr17 7y ago
Y'all are spending way too much time thinking about rape and convincing yourselves to not feel guilty about it. How about this: don't rape people and don't make sweeping generalizations about rape.
SetConsumes 7y ago
20% is way too high. It's more like 5% of men as op said. 20% of men are not effectively evil.
riverraider69 7y ago
I also think OP went the long way with his arguments, but the core stands: there is a discrepancy between the statistics you see in the media and what your senses, intuition and logic tell you.
I've had a few arguments on reddit about the studies here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
If you filter out very small studies and you actually read the source material, there is a surprising agreement around 40-50% of rape accusations being false. This includes police complaints only, not "I was once assaulted" stories. Which is quite in line with OP's conclusion.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
You've jumped ahead on my next part- so I'll address this one then.
Obviously, as I've pointed out, the number of criminals are very slim compared to the larger population. However, we don't have the same outrage about most people being murdered - there are no "do not murder" courses before you're allowed to start your freshman year of college.
My point still remains that if the very small number of men who are committing these crimes have managed to affect half of all women, then this small number of men must be very, very busy and have managed to get half of the women they know into a private place to commit such crimes. Unless, as you say, they do it in public. In which case, my original point stands- no matter how few people there are committing the crime, if it happens in public at a rate that affects 50% of women, then we'd be witnessing it.
In fact, it's the very basis of the feminist "rape culture" dogma. That we do see it daily and just do nothing about it because we expect assault and rape to be normal in our culture. It's also nonsense. If a man gropes somebody on the bus- and it does happen- that man doesn't usually walk off the bus, thanks to other men.
Obviously if we could identify all criminals before they commit crimes, we wouldn't have a crime problem to begin with. But you yourself have admitted you got to know somebody who was a rapist. So, they're identifiable to a degree. I suppose my question would be why you didn't help those women lock him up after rape number one? Or maybe you did. I would hope so.
But I think you missed the subtlety of my point. I don't suspect you're going to know if the weird guy down the road is just weird, or is going to lock up, rape, and murder young women. We're not psychic. But that guy needs to find women. And there needs to be enough of him to hit 50% of the female population. OR we follow the suggestion of feminists that it's all men committing these crimes, such as college students and average frustrated joes, who are just horny and don't know what to do about it.
Therein lies my point: For rape and assault to be as prevalent as they say, you don't get to just count the small number of actual rapists, and assume they've got santa's technology to get all over the world in a night. You must know some average frustrated chumps in your own life who are helping with these numbers. IF the numbers are correct.
Yes, part three discusses the motivations for a false accusation.
You may notice that I'm taking the statistics literally, using the most generous interpretation of them, and being a little obtuse to prove a point. There is much nuance that I'm skipping here that will be discussed in my next few installments.
This one was simply about taking things at face value to make a quick calculation to determine something is wrong. Not exactly what it is.
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tekende 7y ago
Many do exactly that.
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Most don't. But in any group there can be a minority of extremist nutbags, so anything is possible.
2dogsandpizza 7y ago
So you agree that we should teach muslims not to perform acts of terror.
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Yes. And most mosques already do that through religious teachings saying murder is wrong.
Christians teach kids murder, adultery and other things are sins. They can be taught this morality lesson without kicking and screaming that they're being called murderers and adulterers.
Investment bankers and traders now have to take ethics courses. Not all of them are going to do shady illegal shit, but it covers bases by at least trying to teach them the difference, for the few idiots who might try to claim ignorance after.
Why is it so hard for men to be taught about rape without kicking and screaming like a kid? If you're not a rapist anyway, cool, no one was calling you one, just take the damn lesson and ace it and move forwards.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
My sources on rape stats are in the first installment. I just posted number three, I recommend you check it out.
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Was just about to comment with some of the points here but you killed it. Great post. And if anyone says that red pill guys hate women, they should read this.
conquerlifegroup 7y ago
I benefited from this comment. Was wondering what your job is?
downvotesanimals 7y ago
Another (obvious to those familiar with TRP) issue is that of the ever expanding definition of rape. If both parties were drunk someone will say she couldn't consent, hence, rape. If she regrets it later or will fear that her friends will thinks she's a slut, again, rape.
It is claimed that 'rape is rape.' Of course, this is undeniable, but certainly there are material differences between a horrifying violent assault and a situation where two people go home black-out-drunk and neither remembers much come morning.
jaan42iiiilll 7y ago
I agree with you that the rape statistics are insanely inflated, for one simple reason. We all know that a lot of girls (if not all) like dominant and brutal sex, they like to be fucked hard. When a girl is dating a guy or sexually involved with someone this agressive sex is within a safe frame with someone you know and trust. After the relationship ends, they become strangers and retrospectively identify with being abused when in fact they wanted it.
That's my theory at least. Complexity can be added.
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The "rape culture" at universities, the alleged rape epidemic and the idea that all men are rapists is a fiction invented by angry feminist intellectuals within a college environment. The false statistic of one fifth of all women is an extension of a legal definition. Women were asked if they feel they have been sexually objectified or made to feel uncomfortable due to a sexual advance. Many answered yes and this was bundled up as a genuine statistic to be reported on, screamed about and weaponised for a degenerate movement with warped views on nature and society.
Many of the feminists from university subsequently find themselves with a job in the liberal media, working for a local council or working as a counsellor (not a psychiatrist, that would require hard work and real intelligence) or some other soft social work occupation. They then perpetuate the myths which they weaponised in college to make themselves feel like a victim, and to fulfil some dark fantasies that dwell in their head due being unattractive and unwanted by men generally.
The media outlets realise that fear sells. Half of their buyers are women so they run with these fearmongering headlines "X% of women will be sexually assaulted between the ages of 18-35" etc. This allows them to continue to sell lies and therefore their product. They can point to a large female readership to advertisers who then pay to advertise with them. It feeds a cycle and the narrative continues. I would say that the liberal and mainstream media is the main reason this false narrative lives on. It was weaponised by groups of unattractive women who were doing gender studies as a major and then it was monetised by the media.
There are huge psychological factors at play here and I would need to write an essay and do a lot of research to do that any justice. The real reason these lies are perpetuated is financial. The owners of the media outlets have two target markets, liberals and conservatives. Conservative outlets sell fear of migrants, gun laws, and xenophobia, then liberal outlets sell the evils of racists, the evils of the patriarchy, fear of Trump and the lie that women are victims. The media outlets do not care about the left or the right so long as they get to move product. Fear sells.
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Your hamster is simply reacting to the truth. Rape means rape, it does not mean being objectified or made to feel uncomfortable. Women should not use terms like rape culture or extend statistics with false definitions, it reduces the reality of the crime. Women need to take a look at real statistics, not make them up. Men are more likely to commit suicide on a ratio of 4:1 and 4 times more likely to be assaulted. Is there an "assault culture", does anyone give a shit? Should we start to include threats of assualt as an actual assault or "feeling threatened" as an actual assault? That is what women are doing. Fuck feminists, fuck feminist lies. They can go and live in the middle east or the congo if they want to experience rape culture. Fucking morons.
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You are obviously smarter than the average feminist and you have a reasonable command of the languauge and decent debating skills. Use your mind for better things than third wave feminism and blatant lies like rape culture. There are people who are really suffering out there, have some priorities. What about child brides in Africa who develop fistulas, what about black men in the USA who have it worse than any other demographic, what about bacha bazi dancing boys in Afghanistan and children who are victims of paedophilia and war world wide. Grow up, stop prattling on about non-issues like "wimmin's feelz" when there are real problems in the world. Worrying about the stupid shit you talk about is like worrying about a sore thumb while you are having a heart attack. Use your mind for something useful and stop being a solipsistic princess. You are probably a white girl which makes you a member of the most privileged class of human beings to ever walk the planet. Check your privilege and worry about some real issues.
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Oh and I also retract my earlier compliments. My attacks were on point and cannot be rebutted by mentioning the "suffering olympics". We already have laws and police which protect women from rape. Perpetrators go to jail. If you do not believe women invent rape allegations read up on the Jian Ghomeshi judgment. Talking about things such as "rape culture" is offensive to victims of rape which include children, men and women. The obscene third wave feminist movement which claims 1/5 of women are sexually assaulted at college needs to be called out for their lies and bullshit.
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One could reasonably argue that any crime is unacceptable. We have burglaries and men getting assaulted daily yet they are not marching topless through university campuses with tape on their mouths whining about "assault culture". Exaggerating the numbers and women making false rape allegations is a real issue so we call those degenerate third wave feminists out on their bullshit. Even very respected media outlets have questioned the idea of rape culture as a pervasive thing. There is no rape culture, the term is offensive and does nothing to resuce the incidence of sexual assault. Expanding the definition of sexual assault is equally offensive. Canada is a degenerate nation of cucks and libtards, so is any country which believes in quotas for women in government, increasing women in STEM roles or any other vile and unnatural nonsense that is dreamt up by third wave feminists. It should be illegal to be a third wave feminist or one of their mangina white knight cuck supporters and they should be rounded up like al queda or IS and put in camps.
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conquerlifegroup 7y ago
This was very well articulated, in my opinion.
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RPS, just a matter of time til TRP is outlawed if you continue to share these THOUGHT CRIMES that the world may be very different than we were told!!
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Women do not know they are divorce raping, they need to be sent to classes to learn about it.
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throw17453 7y ago
The concept, definition, of rape has been redefined in recent times.
Your post is largely grappling with two phenomena:
However, what if rape no longer means physically forced to have sex against their will. And sexual assault no longer means, assaulted in a sexual way?
The categories of both have been widened systematically by a subtle shifting of the goal posts. Yet the words have been kept the same "Rape" has power, "Sexual Assault" has power, when used in arguments they can silence any opposition... when used in sentences they carry weight and influence.
The reality - as I see it - is that many women have had experiences that no sane person would consider rape or sexual assault. However the words rape and sexual assault no longer have sane meanings. And can be used to garner attention, influence and power.
Critiquing the circumstances of a claim is not acceptable - you get the "rape is rape" - thrown out, to quell any attempt to assess what actually occurred.
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goldnhorde 7y ago
this also helps from a few other points of understanding.
the fact is that the term "rape" gets morphed depending on the time and audience. someone might tell you a story where they regret what they did and term it rape. this is what they have been taught is acceptable socially. when they are prompted to go to the police the conversation turns and it becomes about the legal term "rape". conveniently, the women knows there is a difference so if she wants to be convincing or keep her story at this level, then it will turn into things like "consent" which itself is also defined vaguely. and remember, she never has to report it for it to be a full blown rape, after all .... it's just too hard to talk about .... except to most of her friends.
kevin32 7y ago
In the workplace they have the "reasonable woman standard", where a woman complains about a male co-worker who touched her shoulder in a way that made her feel uncomfortable, when he actually briefly touched her in a friendly, non-sexual way.
But if you ask any "reasonable" (read: emotional) woman her perspective, and she will dismiss the dozens of Chads who groped her at the club within minutes of meeting her, and go way back to that ONE "creepy" old man who touched her, and render a guilty verdict.
wiseclockcounter 7y ago
The weaponizing of terms like rape and sexual assault is all part of the Orwellian tapestry of feminism's power. When you boil it down, it's just a way to legally and socially enforce the standards and mating strategies of women only. If a "creepy" guy touches a woman, bring in HR and sentence him to sensitivity training. We can't have any sexually unworthy men acting out of line. Men who meet or exceed the standards of a woman are free to do as they please, of course. But men who fall below the bar will make themselves of use only when permitted and in only the way they are told.
Which is why arguing with women about feminism, with rare exceptions, is a complete waste of time because the entirety of feminism is a macro-manifestation of women's subconscious motivations. They will burrow deep into their ideological cubbyhole, all-the-while the true reason those beliefs stuck in the first place is hidden to her because they are the base mating instincts TRP has come to identify.
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Harry_Fraud 7y ago
Reading this made me really think. Yeah, it may be true that stranger on stranger rape may not be extensive, but I have heard that most rapists know that victims.
A dude ignoring hard no and interacting with a chemically incapacitated girl is a different story. Just because no lives were at risk and no strangers were at play doesn't change it as an earth-shaking experience for those it happens to.
You're right, rape has changed.
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rp_newdawn 7y ago
Idk man I only graduated college 5 years ago but I remember many girls drinking to sedative levels and passing out throughout the homes, apartments, and fraternity houses of men.... and yet every single one was taken care of, given water and a ride home in the morning. It's amazing what happens when you train a brotherhood well (and the group as a whole is attractive and sexually satisfied already).
LethalShade 7y ago
Why did you start your sentence as if you were gonna disagree with him and then agree with his point?
rp_newdawn 7y ago
Because the women's behavior left that opportunity open. And I knew other fraternities did not behave as benevolently as us
APSTNDPhy 7y ago
A large majority of the men I know would most certainly dick a passed out female at a house party without her consent. Preferably using permanent marker. A crudely drawn penis directly on her forehead.
Franklinstain 7y ago
False statistics are an easy way to support a narrative, any narrative, that transfers power from one group to another.
S74RK 7y ago
Somewhat off-topic but this caught my eye right away:
A recent red pill I've encountered is the utility and historical context of religion, and seeing how closely coupled atheism is with marxism, and therefore feminism.
I'm currently of the belief that religion has been incredibly instrumental in forming monogamous, less hypergamous, i.e. functional societies, and that breakdown is occurring in its absense. I'm not saying religion fixes bitches, but having been indoctrinated in moral (and family) values from a young age probably helps.
le_king_falcon 7y ago
Religion has done great good for the world but any man who studies it with open eyes and a reason based analysis of it can be easily swayed toward atheism. The same can't be said for Marxism or feminism though as neither stands up to analysis or reason when compared to reality.
I'm not here to bash religion, just point out that it's a lot easier to burn blind faith away than it is to instill it in someone who chooses to be open and critical of the world around them.
EdmondDaunts 7y ago
The link between atheism and marxism may be due to some of those who aspire to both. Atheism in itself is not Marxism as it is an ideology that there is no God, or more precisely that there is no God as described in religion. Atheism is about not knowing if there is a higher intelligence and as such you do not expend effort following rituals and incantations that deal with worshipping a God.
It is similar to the scientific idea of Null Hypothesis, or the trivial solution in mathematics. If you do not know then you don't know. You don't invent a theory and cling to this just because you need an explanation for things.
I've heard this argument about man-made global warming. If you don't believe in the theory presented then you need to come up with an alternative. You don't. The default is we do not know especially if the data is not to sufficient resolution as to ascertain if the theory can be tested.
0GOODGAME0 7y ago
I share a similar belief. Religion is a fundamental in the recipe of building a society centred around creating monogamous societies, I'm ironically an atheist of somali descent. I can already picture the decadence that the west will fall into. That indoctrination is key to conserving the family unit, its such an important detail.
EDDbDG 7y ago
Very well written. Honestly, a good deal of casual rape accusations (think telling a friend or a prospective fuck about it, but not telling authorities) is to inflate SMV and/or to make the listener of the story feel sympathy.
This is what probably goes through the female's head as she's casually telling you about a rape that happened to her:
-I want him to hear about me in a sexual context.
-I want him to look at me like a precious fragile flower that needs to be protected.
-I want him to know that I'm so attractive men will rape me.
If you think about it, makes sense. How else is she going to subtly tell everybody that she wants to be taken and protected by a strong chad?
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EDDbDG 7y ago
But they are though, there's been many studies debunking false statistics regarding rape and assault.
Everything is about sex. Sex is power. When she tells you about her rape in order to make you think of her sexually, she is exerting her sexual prowess.
Good for you. Why do you feel the need to go ME ME ME about this?
Women are stupid. Why do you think women constantly talk about their exes?
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EDDbDG 7y ago
http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
Here's one to start.
What's your argument even? My original comment was to provide some inside info why women lie about rape.
Are you saying that women are being raped left and right?
Did you even read the original post? You know that the title, "all women lie about rape" was a hook and an exaggeration right? Or have you just been replying to comments on this board because your jimmies are rustled because... how dare men doubt us women's sincerity?
If you want people to take you seriously, how about instead of telling people "I'm totally different!" you tell people like yourself to be less histrionic? Or if you really believe that rape is an epidemic... tell women to protect themselves well?
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EDDbDG 7y ago
yeah i'm not gonna continue the conversation with someone who believes the 1/3 or 4 or whatever statistic.
that statistic was done in the 90s, over an anonymous phone survey. It did not ever ask the participants if they were sexually assaulted or raped, but rather asked questions like "did you drink before sex" or "was the sex enjoyable" and then, based on the answers, determined whether the participant had been a victim of rape or not.
That is not a good metric of measuring statistics.
Consider drinking responsibly. Should be common sense
MrBellsprout123 7y ago
I was at a party and there was a girl I knew hanging around me the entire time. I asked her to come back to my place and she obliged. I try to have sex with her and she doesn't let me take off her underwear, but lets me finger her and make her cum. Then she doesn't do shit to me, and i didn't even cum that night. She then starts sobbing about how she was fucking raped or some bullshit.
Yeah, she didn't get a call back.
coffee_34 7y ago
Women do not think this deeply. She's thinking one thing and one thing only.
"I bet I can get attention for this."
It goes without saying this is for false rape accusations only.
We all know that, but it needs to be said anyway. It's a very sensitive subject we're encroaching here, so let's try and have some tact with the discussion at least.
Rapists and false rape accusers should both be buried beneath the prison IMO.
Troll_Name 7y ago
This is the way of thinking that causes false rape accusations to become the beast they are today.
Once people get whipped up into a frenzy, their critical thinking is suspended. We live in a society that stops just short of outright criminalizing critical thinking; if you've got it then hang onto it.
coffee_34 7y ago
I didn't say "Accused rapists should be treated as rapists without evidence."
We are innocent until proven guilty (or we should be, sadly this isn't the case in many rape trials).
I said that actual rapists should be buried beneath the prison.
The guy that chloroforms women or holds them down and actually rapes a woman.
Fuck that guy. Destroying a woman's life because he doesn't have the skills to get pussy.
Fuck the women who lie about being raped, too, knowing damn well what they're doing. Destroying a man's life for revenge/ power/ attention/ removal of accountability/ whatever else.
Just my two cents.
enfier 7y ago
It's not worse than murder. Treating it as worse than murder gives every rapist the incentive to kill their victims instead of releasing them.
coffee_34 7y ago
I think it is worse than murder personally.
I understand why you think otherwise.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
Okay, if you had a choice between being raped, or being killed.. you'd choose death? Fat chance.
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logicalthinker1 7y ago
lololol rape is worse than murder?! We could ask the victims of both but only one group can answer because the other is FUCKING DEAD. Gone. Their life is over. They don't get to restart. Their entire existence is never coming back.
But you're right, that non-consenual sex is so much worse.
EDDbDG 7y ago
Right. But I've seen many cases of women who were, in truth, sexually assaulted, but since has gotten over it and is now using it to get attention. (But you can't call her out on it without looking like a mega ass because it actually happened.) That's what I find disgusting about it. If you want others to treat it with sensitivity, you should do that yourself too.