Meet David. David was the alpha of our group. Good looking, 6' 1" with a chiseled jaw and a body worthy among the gods. David was the anti-thesis of me. Now don't get me wrong. I wasn't bad looking. Was studying engineering and a really likeable guy. Except one thing;
I was a beta bitch.
I was the one the whole group picked on. I was the one everyone used as their chauffeur. I was the one who wasn't told about the groups next place of outing. I was living in a miserable state of existence. I knew it and they, especially knew it.
Then one day I had enough. I was awake in my bed at 4 in the morning mulling over the fact that these people were not my real friends, these people used me, disrespected me and put me down. I realised that even if it meant being alone, to not accept those types of people because they weren't worth the effort and it caused too much stress and anxiety in dealing with them.
Fuck them. I'd go out on my terms. One night I invited David out with the plan of going out to eat then doing my thing. David was used to this because my beta self used to hope that by buying things for him like smokes, food, petrol etc he'd value me more. Yeah, it was that bad. While we were eating, David could sense something was off. I guess it was my bad vibes. He would ask me throughout the night if I was good. I'd just smile in return and reply "all good".
On the way to drop him off at his place, I diverged from the road and detoured towards a park. He asked me "what the fuck do you think you're doing?" I ignored him and remained silent.
When we finally got to the park, I stopped the car, got the key out the ignition and told him to get the fuck out. I'm not gonna lie, my heart was beating hard. The blue pill faggot inside me was telling me - no - SCREAMING at me to apologise, supplicate to him and defuse the situation. I thought he was going to pop me in the mouth right there from the passenger seat. He didn't stir at once. He said quietly,
"You really think it's necessary?" "Absolutely." "You sure about this?" "Let's go." "Okay. Let's take care of it.”
Well, I wish I could tell you some rocky balboa shit happened. Truth is, I woke up to him staring down at me asking me if I was okay. I also noted (with pride) that I had broken his nose. Thankfully, I didn't get any serious injuries besides minor facial bruising. I couldn't even answer him as I was so dazed, so I just laid there thinking what a horrible idea it was to call him out. But to my upmost surprise, after going to the hospital and checking out, we later went out for beer and I'm not kidding when I say this but I had the best time ever. He profusely apologised to me. He said he wasn't surprised I flipped out on him. We also laughed hard at the fight we had and the events leading up to it. The sweet cherry on the cake was him telling me how scared shitless he was of me when I called him out.
"Wait? He was scared of me?" I thought. Then right then and there, at that moment, I had an epiphany.
The thing is, while anyone could admit that these guys trying to shit test me were lowering my status in the eyes of others, It was my responsibility to recognise and thwart their efforts in trying to undermine me.
I realised how pathetic I was for always trying to placate the situation, always changing the topic, always trying to appease them. At that moment I fully took responsibility for the way I acted. I looked at things from a whole new different perspective, at the end of the day, these were my bros, men have been doing this since time memorial. This is a time tested ritual of masculinity, a passage among men. These shit tests were there to test me, to determine whether I was a man and had their backs or not. If a situation were to arise, would I have their backs? If push comes to shove could they rely on me?
That night I went home and laid awake in my bed with my face aching. I truly felt great, almost a euphoric sense of happiness and pride. But want to know the best part? Ever since that night, I got my respect. David and the others would ask me where we'd hang out. If I said x, we'd go x. If I said I wanted to eat at y place, we'd go eat at y place. David would actually LISTEN to me instead of others, and this made the others realise that the group dynamics had changed after that incident. We got so close (much to the chagrin of the few brown nosers of David in the group) we'd take road trips to all the major Australian cities, talk philosophy at parks half past three in the morning, wing each other at clubs and social events, beat each other's PR's at the gym etc
He became my best mate.
And three years later, I was his best man at his wedding.
Fellas, It doesn't even matter if you actually know how to throw down, I can't tell how many men I've encounter who didn't let shit fly, but were really weak and not very proficient at fighting. If you let other men disrespect you, quite frankly, you'll come across as a bitch. Now every dude will feel like he can mess with you and you'll be relegated to the groups punching bag status. Never be the guy in the group known for being conflict averse. Nip that shit in the bud.
B-b-but majestic I'm short
Lift faggot. I've seen fights between men with a notable difference of height ending up in the shorter one knocking out mini hulks with a good hook shot. Case in point? Jack Dempsey.
B-but I'm skinny
Lift faggot
Why not just ditch these dudes instead of fighting like a bunch of uncivilised buffoons?
True. But it's on you to make sure it never reaches that level of disrespect. Sure, I could've just left, but I could've missed out on the greatest friendship. I can't lie myself, I've also given shit to men who don't respect themselves.
In addition, no matter how many times you leave a group, at the end of the day you're going to have to learn to set and enforce boundaries. Running away won't. Would you respect a meek overweight loser smelling of Doritos and shit?
Violence is never an option.
No. Violence is a staple part of being a man. You can easily be backed into a corner. Maybe a thief has broken into your house endangering your family, maybe you're being trailed by a group of delinquents looking for trouble. As a man, you have to be ready to confront situations like this. Besides, if you call out dudes 1 on 1, 9 out of 10 times they'll just back down.
The Redpill preaches that women shit test men to gauge his frame and to determine if he is alpha fucks or beta bucks. Who says men don't have an inbuilt mechanism to assess other men in the qualities essential to being a man?
RPSigmaStigma 7y ago
Like everything else here on TRP, there is a degree of nuance that needs to be understood. I've definitely had similar experiences, some of the closest friends I've ever had I either actually got in to a fight with, or almost. That feeling after the fight where you can laugh it off afterwords, and build an even stronger bond because of it, is very real.
But that doesn't mean we should all become reckless roughnecks running around picking fights with everyone. There is a time and a place where it is necessary, or at least beneficial to at least be willing to fight.
TRP teaches physical escalation with women as an integral part of Game, and we know that there's a difference between that and just walking up to random women and grabbing their tits. The same nuanced understanding applies to fighting with other men.
Fartfacethrowaway 7y ago
90% of people I know concealed carry, be careful dude
massivewang 7y ago
I'd like to think that being a beta is closely related to, if not interchangeable with being a people pleaser. People pleasers get disrespected because they don't know how to say "no". They don't know how to handle conflict, so they just don't. They take a lot of abuse and bullshit from people because they're naive, weak, unempowered, etc.
As a result, people then disrespect you because they can. Your classmates, co workers, friends, family do and say what they want to you because you won't say or do jack shit about it.
The solution is to learn how to establish healthy emotional/physical boundaries, and internalize that you don't have to put up with disrespect from anyone. Now I'm not advocating for a violent response every time or something extreme. You can simply say "I don't put up with disrespect" and leave - whatever - it's not black and white per se. The point is that once you establish boundaries, people tend not to disrespect you.
Since TRPIng and reading some PUA/no more Mr nice guy I've grown tremendously. What has helped me grow is internalizing that I am not obligated to anyone or anything, and so I don't have to do, say, or put up with shit I don't want. I also found that agree and amplify is a very effective tool to deal with guys who want to mess with you or put you down. At the same time I found that lifting, being fit, and having some level of formal martial art (wrestling in my case) gives the confidence to set a good boundary.
I use to put up with so much shit, and now I realize I don't have to. If someone talks shit, I can talk it back. If someone touches me, I don't have to be passive and allow it. Its not about being a badass who starts bar fights, just about being a person who sets boundaries and doesn't get walked on.
kanyewost 7y ago
What in the actual fuck
Should of just cut them out of your life
Not gone full autist, your lucky that didn't horribly backfire on you
dudeguymanthesecond 7y ago
You must be pretty young OP, I think I've gotten to the age where if I went out of my way to try to fight someone who was being a dick I'd end up getting ostracized.
I find the best way to gain people's respect as an adult is to beat them at poker.
goldnhorde 7y ago
HECK YEAH!!!
Good for you. These kinds of situations are kind of bullying. they just kind of beat you down and beat you down trying to find your rock bottom which, thankfully, most social friends won't push to after a while. but there is a lot of bitch friend bullying that goes way too far.
I have never been on the end of it, but I realized I was on the good end of that shit stick .... and stuck in a mode of "that's what guys do" ... meanwhile a "friend" of mine was going home and wondering why this is the best he could do friend wise. I considered him a brother, all our circle did, and because "that's what guys do" he went home feeling like trash for years. YEARS. This all came to a head one night when we all ended up at this party stupidly with the ex boyfriend of one of our friends. a party that I said was stupid to go to. and this guy pulls his boys into the kitchen and starts playing Billy badass. my friend. let's call him skinny, cause we do. Skinny just pulls the guy around and belts him Wild West style. chaos ensues, punches are thrown, we push our way out to the car. Now I hit a guy with a 12 pack box of bud ice, minus the two beers I had, but NOTHING makes me happier than that moment skinny decked that guy from out of no where.
I took him and one of my other friends for shots and frankly a tribute to Skinny. we as a group always split our bills but I was buying for my boy tonight. and in that conversation, he told me how bad some of our times together had been for him and why. and in retrospect ... he made no exaggerations ... no lies ... no fiction.
the coincidence with the OP of fighting is something that I want to put aside. The coincidence of treating your friends poorly as a social norm is what I really wanted to focus on. we had more than one guy like this in our group of ten. this is a group that had been together for years ..... and this incident happened in our late 20s. I asked skinny to tell the guys what he told me and he did. and we rightfully felt like a twenty three pound bag of big floppy left handed dicks (like I said, we all thought of this guy as a brother despite our behavior).
just take that with you. my friends are sorted across the damn world now. not two of those ten guys even live in the same state anymore and the same country in four of the cases. but we all still talk, etc. , and are the best "uncles" to kids we may have never met (thanks to amazon and making decent money).
tiptopalphagod 7y ago
First off, you are glorifying some other dude, pretty beta. Second off, if you truly were an alpha, you'd realize your actions were the reason they were disrespecting you, you victimized yourself; meaning fighting was a total beta move. This whole story is just a betas wet-dream about his favorite alpha letting him lick his balls. Might as well of linked your favorite gay porn gangbang while you were at it, lmfao. I'm a tip top alpha by genetics and actions and I haven't been in a fist fight in about a decade. Because I'm confident with my actions and I respect myself. Also, when I do get 'disrespected', I always look at the situation in different viewpoints to understand what really happened. You are seeing beta/alpha with no actual depth. And BTW, if your buddy was truly some big alpha, he'd of had the respect levels for himself and you to not just accept all the handouts.
TLDR: This guy is just some closet college beta with a crush on some lanky bitch from the swim team. All betas overall.
I do teach how to be an absolute alpha and can break anyone down quite easily. It's a curse and a blessing. This sub is full of total betas pouting their weak chests... tons of misinformation by dudes who hate women because they are weak.
nrafield 7y ago
You don't have to respond with violence. Even if you're weak, it is possible to hold against a stronger guy as he infringes on your territory if you stand your ground instead of being intimidated. They know you're just holding your territory, and it will be more trouble than it's worth to attack it. Don't think it's going to help you turn the pressure, though - you've already lost when it hit your side.
theJMD 7y ago
What a jubilant feeling reading of your victory! Feeling that sweet spot which can bring tears of joy. WELL SPOKEN!
crx1 7y ago
Great post and thank you for sharing, OP. I think many guys here not only relate to what you went through, but admire you for directly calling that guy out on his shit. It seems you were pushed to a breaking point, and you did what you had to do, on your own terms and in your own way. That alone is highly commendable. I would also say to everyone that lifting alone is not enough. Learn how to fight and defend yourself (you pick the style), and practice. This will go a long way for you, guaranteed.
pbgswd 7y ago
Fucking right exactly. Men are more of a problem to the men here than women will ever will be.
Glorious-Butthurt 7y ago
Violence between friends is called "conflict resolution."
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
The more you train in martial arts or other fighting skills like boxing, the less likely you are to go about solving lack of respect problems like this.
Also, the less likely to encounter people confronting/escalating/disrespecting in the first place due to internalized changes in your frame.
TimmyTurnersNuts 7y ago
Absolutely agree. I actually find myself more calm, controlled since amateur boxing
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Good for you dude. Getting into a fist fight isn't the end of the world. Sometimes shit just gets to that place. I find it weird that a lot of the comments on this thread so far are condemning it. No one was trying to kill each other or cause permanent damage- it was stepping outside of ritualized civility to establish an undeniable dominance hierarchy. But what the hell do I know, as I sit on this toilet and preach.
jseph1234 7y ago
/u/MajesticShadow104 Couldn't agree with you more. Unless you pull people to the side or stand up for yourself people won't respect you. I had to do this (without the fighting) to someone the other night and he accepted what I was saying and its all cool between us.
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Men want to be allied with strong fuckers, not weak bastards that'll turn tail and run or turn coat at the first sign of trouble.
cuteman 7y ago
I'm pretty sure you just described fight club.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Brother you got a concussion and that is the worst injury you can have in a fight. If you two were fighting on concrete you might've died. Don't spar for at least a year and never get into street fights again. Two or three concussions and you get permanent brain damage and that is no joke.
BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
The trick isnt lifting or being tall, its caring more about winning than the other guy
stawek 7y ago
Bullshit. No amount of philosophy will help you against a trained opponent.
If you aren't training in a martial art you are dead meat against anybody who does. What's more, any practitioner will instantly know which one you are - you can't even pretend to be good and bluff somebody when your stance says "dead meat".
BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
No amount of weigh lifting will help you against a navy seal, lets not throw around extremes.
One of the main things about that navy seal being such a badass isnt just his training tho, its that hes been conditioned not to accept defeat.
Ive seen a lot little dudes take a punch from a big guy and then go for the fuckers eyes, knees, or crotch. The point Im making is that you cant go into it expecting a boxing match, being mean is as important as being capable, and wayyy more important than your bench press.
And yes some amount of in shape is a requirement but were talking about the 95% of the population, not seal team 6
-Animus 7y ago
This. Is. So. Fucking. Important. How often have I read bullshit from dudes who were training a Martial Art "Uuuuh, Martial Art is way more important than strength." "Uuuuh, Martial Art is way more important than weight." "Uuuuh I've done martial arts for many years, I know what I'm talking about."
Fuck no, you don't.
I've done martial arts for seven years (yeah, I know), fought opponents who were weighing literally twice as much as me, and I can emphasize every fucking thing you said.
If a dude is stronger than you or significantly heavier than you and wants to fuck you up.
There is only one martial art: Long distance running.
BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
But most dudes that are that big got that big to avoid fights, not get in them. If hes not willing to break a beer bottle over my head but Im already swinging a pool queue at his, that significant size advantage doesnt mean shit. If hes holding my shirt collar pummeling me but isnt smart enough to avoid my thumbs going in his eye socket to tickle his brain, insignificant.
The difference is that the little guy has to escalate it first
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BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
The thing is those beefy guys cant throw a punch either, and they know it. Get in their face and they know you know it too. Im not a fighter by any means. Im 6'1" or so and in college I weighed like 180, 185. But if your willing to throw down and bet on which one of you stays at the hospital that night, even if they know they have a 90% chance of beating your ass easily, they dont want to play with those odds... You fail to make it clear that those are the odds tho, and youre in a fight
I guess part of the trick to this is that alphas rarely square off, its like a gentleman agreement or something
-Animus 7y ago
You know, that actually might be a factor. A lot of that "psychological warfare" goes away when you fight/"spar" (?) regularly. (I guess.) And if your opponent doesn't know what it's like, he might get scared of the unknown.
I also noticed that being regularly in that kind of situation (like training regularly) helps you ceep cool, because you are used to the situation.
But I stand by what I've said. 140 lbs martial art-dude vs 200 lbs dude who means buisness: bye-bye.
BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
at those extremes I agree with u. Unless hes a jackie chan motherfucker lol
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Bruce Lee could have pulled it off too.
Viking_RnP 7y ago
I have a buddy who all through high school and a few years after was our groups bitch. He'd flinch if you turned your head too fast in his direction.
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One day he bought us all some McDonald's. I smashed his burger in with my fist and he full on punched me in the chest. Winded me and put me on my ass.
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I got back up and split my burger in half with him. His bitch status was erased.
fenghsui 7y ago
A lot of you fuckers seem to be unwilling to risk and/or lose. I haven't been in a fight in years. I view fighting as a sign of weakness rather than strength in many situations. The obverse is also true. If you're afraid or unwilling to fight and lose, there's a hole in your social dominance the size of a VW. It's not about violence, it's about moral hazard. It's about being willing to risk it.
360_no_scope_upvote 7y ago
Being a good fighter amongst your male peers does earn you respect, regardless if you think it's weakness. I still have people coming up to me who tell me so and so deserved it and buy me drinks wanting to be part of my social circle.
dudeguymanthesecond 7y ago
People who go around looking for fights don't really have much to lose, and probably have mental problems anyway. These are most likely the people who will try to fight you.
solidsnork 7y ago
The average male has been raised to be a huge pussy. Even some of the experienced guys here think you should roll over to anyone who will attack you. You'll be less of a man to resort to violence. It's sickening.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Of course if you state that you are not a pussy, they declare you an Internet tough guy in an effort to shame you. If violence is warranted, you can bet your ass some of us old guys will bring it.
pizzalover24 7y ago
The battle you face is not respect but it is the insecurity on being on your own.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Ahhhhhh..... sweet sweet revenge
Thebilboestbaggins 7y ago
Dude your post just helped me clean out some very deep psychological effects I had about a guy I absolutely love that's been getting under my skin. For years I've constantly been seeking this guy a validation and I could never figure out why and it's been driving me fucking crazy. But you just hit the nail right on the head. I want to beat the shit out of him. I've always wanted to but thought myself crazy for doing so, but you just obliterated all doubts I had. Thank you friend. I feel like I'm dreaming right now that I've finally figured out after all these years. Thanks.
A_yoshi_Egg 7y ago
great story, funny how after guys fight they end up being better friends! thats called mutual respect :) regardless of who won
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A_yoshi_Egg 7y ago
look, all im saying is after they fought "david" respected him more as an equal. and their friendship strengthened. how is that hard to understand lol. also 90% of your post has nothing to do with what i said.
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A_yoshi_Egg 7y ago
thats very true. according to OP though their fight strengthened their friendship. maybe that's what it took for David to realize how poorly he was treating his friend.
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JamesSkepp 7y ago
Violence is LAST resort. What you're proposing is responding to social-status challanges by other men by trying to intimidate them into a fight.
You got lucky because you met your match (despite being knocked out) AND a dude who knew you well. Go try that on some random street in South LA or Chicago. Or try that with ANYONE who has ANY training in martial arts. You're gonna get your ass handed back to you or get killed.
Because you have a weak frame. People will perform/behave to the standard you set. If they don't, you fire/ghost them, not beat them up.
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One pop from your friend could be enough to fuck you up properly, for a long time. Well this is how I look at it anyway. If they catch you the right way, even if theyre not that strong you could be hitting the deck and smashing your head on the concrete. It might be unlikely but it's feasible.
Arschrapine 7y ago
This.
I completely disagree with OP.
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yea instead of fighting you should agree and amplify or use other tactics in social situations. if you had done this all along, fighting with your friend wouldn't have happened and you'd still have a great friendship
juliusstreicher 7y ago
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...he should have been a billionaire with a huge dick, but, that wasn't where he was at the time.
stawek 7y ago
Just because you take it as the last resort does not mean the other man will do the same. Any man can respond to your social status challenge by simply making a step towards you and invading your personal space. This is legal, you know. No matter how reasonable it is to avoid a fight, if you back off with a slightest hint of fear, you place yourself under that guy in hierarchy. It doesn't make sense at all, but we are hardwired build dominance hierarchies like that and our mammalian brains can't help it.
You are relying on social norms to guard you against bad people. Big, big mistake. This is feminine behaviour.
Any man who disdainfully says "oh, I never fight, I'm above this brutish behaviour" is making a laughing stock of himself. It is never your choice to fight, unless you are the attacker.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
Nope, never said anything like this, what I said was:
Which is exactly this:
vengefully_yours 7y ago
This is the difference between a man who knows his capability, has training and experience, vs some kid who thinks they have something to prove or want to look tough. The latter starts shit and most people back down, the former will rarely back down, yet he has the option to be amused and ignore the punk kid spouting off. I usually go for the amused option, it's been some time since anyone actually started shit. Show no fear, exude confidence because you know you're capable of destroying the other guy, and he will stand there helplessly watching you walk past him.
Katavasis 7y ago
No.He didn't say go around and invite people to fight you.
He knew he was his friend and wasn't really in danger.He is talking in the context of a social group of associates(although he had some animosity towards them,still they were friends),not about strangers.Most of the time you should kill the disrespect before it gets out of hand,but when you spent 10 years being their bitch,then when you stand for yourself you will be shut down again.
Also,martial arts ,because of MMA ,are glorified these days.In a street fight where you can't run and your life is in danger,you should not aim for punches,you should try to find a weapon or take his eyes out. (I am not saying you should not train.But the most important thing is a fight,is your capacity to violence.How much damage are you willing to inflict to another human being).
JamesSkepp 7y ago
So, like...in last 10 years, how many fights were you in or how many years do you train a martial art?
Katavasis 7y ago
A more extensive answer
I've been doing martial arts since i can remember ,but i have to admit,when i was around 20 years old i stopped going to amateur fights and events.Now i just train whenever,maybe 2-3 times a month,some grappling here and there. I haven't been in a fight for the last 7 years .But my definition of street fight,is when someone threatens me( or someone close to me),wants to steal from me etc.So,it's a rare occastion for me to fight outside the ring.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
You have the skill to defend yourself, which is good (everyone should, women included), but you don't actively go and get in the faces of other men, who are challanging you in a social context (like cutting you in line for example), which is contrary to the OP story (got into a fight to sort out that he was "picked on and was used as a taxi").
There is a difference between what the author DID (got into a fight because he didn't want to be "a chauffair") and what RATIONALIZES after (men can be violent when needed, like when "a thief has broken into your house endangering your family, maybe you're being trailed by a group of delinquents looking for trouble"). First thing is STARTING trouble, the second is DEFENDING when in threatning situation.
Katavasis 7y ago
We disagree,because we interpet OP's post differently.
BUT,i think your answers and points have more value,uses and are more beneficial to the readers,so i won't continue.
In the end it doesn't really matter.Everyone who reads this:you should never be in op's situation in the first place.Just hold your ground and frame and you'll be good to go.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
That is possible, but I won't beat you up for challanging my opinion publicly :D
This.
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iamneptuno 7y ago
And what do you do when some male cuts you in line?
JamesSkepp 7y ago
What I don't do is what OP's first suggestion is - actually challange him to a fight so he backs down "because most men do".
From the years of nightclubs and bars, it happens rarely, especially in higher-end ones. If it does (maybe once every 2-3 months), I use my voice and BL to stop him from doing so. So far it failed TWO times (at least as much as I remember), each time he got physical first and since I was sober both times, I was able to handle it physically, but without resorting to throwing punches.
iamneptuno 7y ago
But isn't this obvious that when it works, it works purely because he thinks you are ready to fight, from your voice and body language, even if you aren't challenging him directly?
JamesSkepp 7y ago
The difference is I'm not the one escalating the situation as contrasted by OP's idea to get in his face and directly, I don't know what really, shout at him to "fight you or not cut you in line" or something like this (?).
BTW:
There's an old (not outdated) PUA concept: he who reacts less - wins. Works EVERY time with both men and women.
In this context, he is AMOGing me, I have to remain un-reactive while not allowing him to cut me in line (this is why I use BL and voice).
If I go physical on him for trying to cut me in BUT he backs down (or worse, doesn't react at all), I look like retard (that has no frame and uses violence) because it was I who escalated (violated the social norm of not attacking people), while he looks like holding un-reactive frame (He didn't budge in the face of an adversary, even if he initiated it in the first place).
If he goes physical, it's his second time he makes himself look like retard (that has no frame and uses violence), therefore I get out on top of the confrontation (besides getting out on top of him, literally in two cases).
iamneptuno 7y ago
Here's an example; don't take it too personally, characters fictional. You are standing in line. I push you away and take your spot. You "back down or worse don't react at all". Do you still win because of un-reactive frame or whatever else PUA fanciness, or maybe you lose because you are a little bitch who can be safely shoved aside? And I, am I a retard who uses violence, social norms safe places yada yada, or maybe I just have balls?
In every species that form hierarchies, including us humans of course, you either dominate or get dominated. Domination is an active, and not passive thing. So, the most effective way to get dominated is indeed react as less as possible, i. e. be passive.
You physically dominated; a better way of proving status simply doesn't exist.
iamneptuno 7y ago
This is the first time that I see this simple truth articulated here. Overpowering other males is the only way to get status. I upvoted your post.
As for your little field report -- everything you did was pretty idiotic, wasn't it? You brought no tactical advantage at all, even though you were deciding place and time. And your final goal was obviously a total mystery even for yourself. You got lucky you didn't get injured for real.
MK_D 7y ago
My brain hurts from reading this crap story. What a Bro dudeish fantasy... You would have been better off cutting him out. He does not respect you, you just made him the beta in your relation. Power vs force.
aanarchist 7y ago
i don't get fighting in a situation like that like either tell them to fuck off and find new friends, or kill the fuck if he's that much of a plague on your life.
Steeleshitlord 7y ago
So men don't respect you because.... you don't lift and violence?
I can relate to many of the things you had to say, but violence can be thrown out of context easily. I think what you mean to say is confrontation.
If you confront your mates enough during their shit test to will know not to Fuck with you.
BENDERisGRREAT 7y ago
Considering most of his emphasis was on the confrontation and not detailing the fight Id say youre not reading his post correctly
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He thought you were going to murder him.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
I cant believe i just read this lol. Youre like a sperg who was going "1v1 me bruv. Ill rek u right in ya gabber" in his head
AtlasAtlasAtlas 7y ago
agreed, why do shitty made up stories like this always float up to the top?
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
I do believe it happened. What's hard to believe is that somebody actually did that.
trppr 7y ago
Incredibly stupid OP. Definitely not a RP example.
You are lucky.
What would have been a RP example is working on yourself and finding a new group of friends.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Violence is for low IQ peasants. If you hang out with people who are violent or live in places where you need to resort to it it's a huge indicator that you're low SMV. Ditch the people, increase SMV and chances are you'll never have to resort to it outside of martial arts.
BestSC86 7y ago
This I do not get at all and it one of the strangest things which constantly befuddles me...
I am respected by nearly even male with whom I interact and haven't been challenged in years but the same is not the default from women. Though women with whom I work naturally follow my directions and lead.
I have always thought it strange and down to somehow I must act subtly different around women in social settings.
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veritableill 7y ago
So should I just go find someone to beat the shit out of? Haven't been in a lot of fights.
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[deleted] 7y ago
During my most asshole ish of days (back in the frat in college) I went an entire month and a half with a black eye from numerous fights.
Not a good look imo
But getting fed up with a friend for passive aggressive shit and eventually taking a swing or two at each other does settle an argument remarkably well.
It sounds stupid but sometimes it just needs to happen and you aee usually on better terms after.