Congratulations- you've been alpha shamed. It's a great feeling, and you should bask in it.
The correct response? A toothy grin and a "Thank you".
Let's take a look at what it means to be a narcissist, and why this BP culture looks down on it, and why it enrages beta males so much that they exist.
"Narcissism involves cockiness, manipulativeness, selfishness, power motives, and vanity-a love of mirrors. Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism. Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem."
Step by step here people.
First of all- Mirrors are your friend. The mirror doesn't lie. It shows you where you are. If you've been working on your body, and making progress, the mirror will show you that progress. It will affirm to you that what you are doing is working and motivate you to keep it up.
I love my mirrors. And they love me.
Beyond the mirror on the wall, there are lots of mirrors in life. If women won't give you the time of day, that's a mirror. It's showing you that you need to improve. Your bank account? Simply another mirror. It doesn't lie. It doesn't make you look richer or poorer or uglier or prettier- the mirror just shows you how things are.
Why do BluePills hate this? They look like shit. The mirror to them, it shows them a truth that they hate. So they despise the mirror, the mirror that just wanted to help them and is honest to them. And they demonize those of us that respect and appreciate the mirror, because they are jealous that we love what we see in it.
Cockiness- a trait that women love. A belief that you are great, and that you can do whatever you set your mind to- redpill through and through.
So why do BPs think that's a bad thing? They have no pride in themselves. And why should they? They realize that they are shit, and the idea that someone else is better than them, and realizes it, pisses them off.
Manipulative? That's a social skill. We're always being manipulative. If I'm wearing deodorant, I'm manipulating you into thinking that I don't smell like BO. If I'm friendly with a customer, well, I'm manipulating him into buying something.
The problem for BPs? If I'm smooth and charming with a woman, she's being manipulated into sleeping with me. As we know, having sex with women is a big No No for blue pills.
I don't feel the need to explain why high self esteem is a good thing,
As far as Psychopathy, this is just you know, a smear. Narcissism is not related. But regardless, ", lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships,".
You don't want to form a meaningful relationship with the single mother? You piece of shit, physcopath. How dare you! As the bluepills would say, There's nothing wrong with her!
As far as selfishness, machievlism, power motives- you know, everyone has a duty to take care of themselves. If you don't take care of yourself no one will.
BPs hate this. They don't take care of themselves. No one else takes care of them. Their lives are in ruins.
Remember- The man that gives to all and asks for nothing in return, soon finds he has nothing left to give.
Being called a Narcissist is one of the greatest honors someone can give you- Look at the people that betas call Narcissists. Billionaires. Body builders. Pro athletes-- anyone better than themselves. Be in the company of those guys.
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Rocky_Bukkake 7y ago
listen i've heard this 'everything is manipulation' argument before and it's really quite foolish. i suppose it can be said that yes, everything is manipulation; down to our smallest of communications with each other, everything is meant to affect a different creature/thing in existence. even when we unconsciously yelp from being bit by a dog, our yelp is a signal whose 'potential hopes' or whose 'objective' it is to cease the pain. in essence, an attempt to change the action occurring to the body. since manipulation seeks to change others in one way or another, every form of communication, having its roots in portraying a message, usually for the purpose of affecting an idea, action, etc, can be considered 'manipulation'. in that sense, a person or thing is under constant manipulation and constantly manipulates. you can argue that through this post, i am attempting to manipulate your ideas, to mess with your world, to play with you like clay. in a sense, sure. but practically this is a bit foolish - who's to say my motivation isn't just to make this idea more concrete with myself (self manipulation?) or to toss something out totally at random?
manipulation to me is communication with a clear malignant intent. deceitful communication. communication seeking to con, seeking to lead to imbalance between parties without consent, but specifically to another's detriment. one can give more than another without having the same detriment. in essence, it is communication clearly founded in unethical behavior or ideas.
it's not manipulation to use deodorant. again, i think that's silly. mostly because the person will be aware of your potential body odor. being friendly does indeed get better sales; but both parties will profit, so long as the one in sales is not seeking specifically to oversell something unworthy.
as for a quick personal opinion, BP is not necessarily disorderly people entirely. BP can certainly take care of themselves and prefer whatever they prefer. narcissism is definitely related to psychopathy. people shouting 'psychopath!', 'narcissist!', has nothing to do whatsoever with the reality of those people. typically, like you described, it's just jealousy or anger irrationally coming out.
and as far as giving? i find that giving much of what one has, once he has sustained his means, is far greater than seeking more.
anyhow, lovely post. i enjoyed the explanations about good and bad, seeking to become the best you can be. i always find posts here to be so interesting, because they're in the realm of self-discovery, gender differences, and the desirable and undesirable, but without much idea about the people they discuss. almost.. should i say, a lack of ability to read others? i'm not sure. i just love the descriptions of people here; it's hilarious.
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Redbeam100 7y ago
I agree with your post. When females call you a narcissist it is a shit test. They are trying to find a weakness in your frame when they find nothing else but confidence and will. Narcissism is nothing but being comfortable with yourself to the point in which you find you are perfect. Everybody is perfect in their own way. Blue pills only find that they aren't as comfortable with themselves as they'd like. There are healthy and unhealthy ways to be narcissistic of course. Narcissism at a healthy level helps you achieve your goals using your full potential. Narcissus in the other hand drowned staring at his reflection. Everything in excess is bad.
its_tea_day 7y ago
I like the spirit of this--I think it would be important to look up narcissism as a disorder in the DSM, but you basically summed up the nature of what people generally mean when they say "narcissism." The very implication of the disorder, however, is that it is a combo of traits that is UNhealthy (impairs your functioning in major life domains). So you can be any number of things that are maybe SIMILAR to narcissistic, but in order to be truly narcissistic, you'd have to be screwing up somehow because of the narcissism (e.g. flaunting your abilities in a way that would impinge on making/keeping friendships; taking on tasks at work that you cannot actually fulfill, etc).
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This is exactly the point. Everybody here is arguing over what to call unapologetic self-confidence, which we can all agree is the correct frame to have. I think people have missed the purpose of the post. Nobody is saying that an overboard ego is healthy for you or those around you. For example, I was gaming a girl at a bar over the weekend, and after a gentle neg she said, "You're kind of a jerk" with a smile. I replied, "Yeah kind of" with a laugh, knowing she just isn't used to guys who aren't afraid of their own shadow. She loved it.
lqtys 7y ago
Great post. I really liked your mirror analogy.
Katavasis 7y ago
Don't be a narcissist.Emulate the traits of a narcissist.
revengeofthecrazy 7y ago
True. I know a guy with narcissistic personality disorder and he's suffering. He's not fun to be around. The condition basically prevents his brain from critically analyzing himself because he always has to believe that he is amazing. Stagnates growth and makes him appear arrogant and many times silly. People roll their eyes when he talks.
However, I've learned a lot from his behaviors: if I managed to take myself as seriously as he takes himself, I'd be further in life. His unshakable belief that he is amazing has been somewhat useful as an inspiration.
Katavasis 7y ago
Yup.The dark triad characteristics are there to learn from.Except maybe mach,you can't be a real narc or phsyc,unless you are in the 1% that suffers from a disorder.
Rocky_Bukkake 7y ago
it's true; they get stuck on themselves. i find it to be a bit sad, because in this way they can never develop truly into humans; it's as if they're in constant limbo. same with sociopath/psychopath, same with all that.
puts things into perspective for me. i think it's a perspective a lot of people need here. that, honestly, we all have differing ideas and truths and whatnot. but, the thing is, we're growing and changing. we're making do and we can do it relatively peacefully. quite peacefully, in my opinion. there are some who cannot come to completion with their ideas because they are stuck. but most of us can.. why not seek fullness of idea, so that it can become complete?
jetsetter883 7y ago
Is it so bad if he has bettered himself? Are you sure you're not playing the role of an envious friend? How does he think he is so amazing?
revengeofthecrazy 7y ago
He can't really better himself, because his condition makes him think he's already amazing. It's just the way they think, it's quite interesting. He does therapy and it takes him enormous energy just to admit small weaknesses.
Rocky_Bukkake 7y ago
if he does have NPD, then i assure you he cannot better himself. perhaps financially, even lifestyle-wise, but the condition will never leave, and he will not become 'better'. no matter where his life leads, he will be stuck with fluctuating feelings of being indestructible, and perhaps panic at some level, that he will never be able to be normal, never be able to grow as person; he cannot and will not find his place, because he is without sustenance anywhere.
TissueDealer 7y ago
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Redbeam100 7y ago
I agree. It needs to be stated that big pharma likes it when they tell you you're narcissistic because you have underlying depression and you need to fill this form for anti-depressants asap. It's all money and influence. "We don't like you so you must be retarded" "can you please stop fidgeting your with your pencil what are you attention-deficient?"
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Momo_dollar 7y ago
Dude just being himself and gets called a narcissist , I agree. Dude constantly boasting, to the point of lying and being caught lying about his brags, and gets called a narcissist then it's just people calling a guy a female.
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Anyone's that has had experience has been called a player, a jerk, an asshole, or many other insults. It's usually just a kneejerk reaction from a woman who feels she can't control you. But a narcissist? That's just a woman who learned a bigger word. To actually be a narcissist is something different.
aanarchist 7y ago
i was told by a woman once that i was a bit of a narcissist.
ZiggyZee 7y ago
you, sir, have a gross misinterpretation of what it means to be a real narcissist
narcissists are on an extreme level of being self-centered...no one in this world likes self-centered people for more than a fleeting moment of time
move along
redpillthrowawayyy 7y ago
Sir, I'm just going off what google told me.
I have no medical or psychiatric background,
Google said nothing about 'Narrcasists try to put others down to look good' 'Narrcasists are insecure'
The post is more talking about guys with high self esteem that get alpha shamed, narcissistic is a word that is used as alpha shaming more than a medical diagnoiss in 2016
trippinallday 7y ago
They don't LIKE them but most people WANT TO like them or be around them.
People might go "God hes so selfish" or whatever in a given moment, but most people tend to gravitate to these people regardless of their actions. They're charismatic and comfortable with themselves so it's really hard to hate them. Most of the "hate" is really just misplaced envy.
jetsetter883 7y ago
"Most of the "hate" is really just misplaced envy."
100%
cashcow1 7y ago
One can be successful, even be an "alpha" without being a narcissist.
redpillthrowawayyy 7y ago
Grass is green, sky is blue
HomesickADTR 7y ago
Roses are red, rune plate is blue, oldschool runescape
ManowaR1488 7y ago
Getzlaf is bald, water is wet.
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This is a gem of a perspective. Overall I've come to literally the same analogy less eloquently, of thinking of the world as my mirror and being thankful for nasty bitches telling me I need to get my shit together. Those same women are lovely when you have your shit together; literally the same ones, like they're retarded or something.
Acolyte_Kai 7y ago
People really confuse "self-confidence" with "Narcissism", the former is what you want to emulate and will piss off true blue betas without even trying (wimpy bearded dudes get pissed at me just for being friendly and lively, like what the fuck? lol...)
Narcissism is a pathological self-hatred that's constantly run away from...by running OVER other people.
Know the difference, it could save your life.
sonder_one 7y ago
Don't confuse being called a narcissist with being a narcissist.
Especially if it's said by a woman.
amekooky 7y ago
Dan Blizerian would be considered a cocky self confident role model for the RP.
A bonafide narcissist would be the character Dennis from its always sunny.
its_tea_day 7y ago
Also to expand: the individual's "narcissism" does not necessarily (and does not usually) reflect the true value/ability of that individual.
lqtys 7y ago
Don't confuse 'narcissism' as a personality trait, with 'narcissistic personality disorder', which is part of the dark triad of personality disorders and it's the one that is dangerous for the people around them. The former, just 'narcissism' as an adjetive, a personality trait, it's just an excess of vanity.
Acolyte_Kai 7y ago
Isn't having narcissism the pre-requisite to having full-blown NPD? I imagine it's similar to a heavy drinker just being a few bottles and a bad experience away from turning into an alchoholic. Like;
Starts with deluded sense of self-confidence (ie; pride with no reason to be prideful in the first place...egotistical I guess.) ----> Turns into Narcissism after enough negative/positive feedback loop ---> Untreated perverts into NPD and begins being destructive?
I'm playing armchair psychologist so any corrections are more than welcome, lol.
Rocky_Bukkake 7y ago
the way i see it, a narcissist is a NPD person. somebody who is narcissistic (-ish?) is no problem whatsoever, other than maybe trying to drag them away from the mirror (literally and metaphorically). i figure, so long as they're not causing quite significant issues or truly poisoning (lit. & metaphorically) others, who cares?
to be honest, the person who simply has narcissistic traits is potentially one of the easiest to manipulate, and isn't necessarily a jerk. like anyone else, if you don't like em, fine. NPD people have this thing about them, though, that signals another to not just drop, but run away from the NPD person.
i'm not certified but my dad's got (or is?) NPD, stepmom's pretty damn psychopathic; i'd been raised by them for 10 years. if i don't know the ins and outs, i can speculate accurately, and after knowing somebody for a relatively short amount of time (sometimes it's obvious on the first encounter, sometimes it can take.. months, years.) i can almost always pick out whether or not they've got something funky (aka personality disorder) going on.
it's not possible to figure out through shallow, superficial things, though. and just because somebody is 'living large' doesn't necessarily mean there is a higher chance for that person to be a narc/psycho. but hey, that's a hard thing to find and a hard game to play.
trippinallday 7y ago
I mean it's like anything. You can feel anxious without having an anxiety disorder. You can feel depressed without having clinical depression. But too much of it leads to these self perpetuating cycles that can really fuck you over.
rigbed 7y ago
Bad narcissism is when you start having to blab about it to self justify yourself.
Some guys get away with this. But if you're good enough, other guys will supplicate you for you. Beta me used to do it. Now I never give gratuitous compliments
redpillthrowawayyy 7y ago
Woah partner. Narcissism is defined as having a very high opinion of yourself.
If you have that high opinion of yourself, you don't feel the need to brag or talk yourself up, you just let your achievements speak for themselves.
If you're insecure and a poser, than you need to talk yourself up. So I'd argue that the guys that are insecure and posers are not really narcissists, because they don't have "a high opinion of themselves" in actuality
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TehJimmyy 7y ago
As much i love mirrors, i love my eyes.
Eyes never lie.
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