Guy on r/okcupid just posted about his recent disaster date with a 35 year old woman. She was a bitch from the start: lied about her ethnicity, refused to give out her number before the date, used a photo from 5 years ago (probably to mask the eye wrinkles and drying skin).
On the date itself, she kept talking about her exes, of which there were probably 25. This is most likely a potent shit test to see what her date would do, and I assume he failed because the woman continued to be a bitch throughout. She refused to contribute conversation beyond answering his questions and, get this - halfway through the date she left to go talk to another guy at the bar. Most likely another shit test which the OP predictably failed yet again.
After it was over, OP finally gathered his balls and asked for separate checks. She went into shock and said to him "that's insulting". They walked out of the restaurant and she left after a curt goodbye.
While OP may not know it, this story seems to have a lot of RedPill implications, including a theme that this sub even gets wrong sometimes.
1) Never assume postwall women are automatically easier or desperate to please. Her looks may be fading faster than spilled water on a sidewalk, but she always has the potential to carry over the bitchiness she accumulated throughout her youth. For most women, that sense of attitude and entitlement never goes away. It's a defense mechanism so they can pretend they're just as valuable as they were at the age of 20. "That guy didn't pay for my drink??? He doesn't know what a hot body he's missing out on! Age is just a number!"
2) Know how to recognize and combat shit tests. This is the part where I'd like to open up discussion; clearly her talking about exes and going to excitedly speak to another man were examples of shit tests, but what should OP have done? (short of leaving the date at that moment)
nyrp 9y ago
Here's the answer. Half an hour late, you go home no matter who it was.
I left after 20 minutes of waiting for a model in Tinder date. Did not pick up the phone when she tried to find me after 45 minutes.
Calmly rescheduled for the next day. Met. Banged all night.
colombia40 9y ago
Strong work on not over analyzing it and getting butt hurt over it.
CarrotTrees 9y ago
How did you reschedule? Did you text her a day later?
nyrp 9y ago
After letting the phone ring and letting her leave a message, I finally responded to a text after an hour when she already gone home.
I didn't explain why I didn't pick up. I was just playful about her fuckup. She said she owed me a drink and could we try again the next night. I said, yeah, same time, same place. And so we did.
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Robert_Walker 9y ago
At my advancing age, I have dated a number of post-wall women in late 40s. I still want to believe that not all women are like that, surely they've learned and grown as they've aged, but no...
My experience is that All Women Are still Like That.
Let me tell you some stories:
A woman I've been dating learns she has cancer and tells me she's going back to her ex who has promised to take care of her. Still has a final romp with me after this fact - that's nice for the ex, isn't it.
A woman fawning over me and my alpha conviction until she has a death in her family - I go from strong frame to compassionate and caring, and she goes cold losing all respect for me with the relationship all over a month later.
A woman cheats on me one month into the relationship. She hamsters like you couldn't imagine and we "work it out" and decide to go on. Over a year later, find her on a dating site while we are still together while she simultaneously acts the perfect girlfriend.
I often figure "this one seems measured, kind and compassionate" but impressions are deceiving. The power they have always corrupts them. It does not end. AWALT.
Many years ago, a wise associate of mine told me "All the good women are gone by the time they're 25." and damn he sure turned out to be right. Be smart, guys.
*edit: Added a quote mark and clarified wording.
doveenigma13 9y ago
"waxes because she likes it"
I completely lost it right there.
GREF_ 9y ago
Would like to hear more on this. Are 99% of the LTR/marriage quality women gone by 25? and let's face it that pool of marriage quality women is very small in 1st world feminist countries.
Tidbitter 9y ago
Bingo. Consider moving to Southeast Asia
Obio1 9y ago
Or Central America. Or South America. Or Eastern Europe. Or anywhere in Asia except China (because China blows in every way imaginable). Or any cool, emerging African city -- and there are more of those than you think.
Pretty much anywhere but the USA / Canada / Western Europe or China.
When feminists travel the world, they tend to get upset because they suddenly realize what a tiny minority of the world's women they represent. And their whole game (much like socialism) only works if everyone plays. As long as you can just pick up and find a much hotter, much cooler girl somewhere else -- feminism fails.
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Female charity/NGO workers living in developing countries love to complain about how there are no eligible men around (locals don't count, for the usual financial reasons), and can't handle the lack of action after a couple of years. The reason is simple: they are surrounded by disciplined local women who don't shovel themselves full of cakes and sandwiches at every lunchtime, and who demand much less from their partners. I think their strategies to empower local women (which I fully endorse) would be better served if they didn't rock up looking like horrendous landwhales, since the locals tend to not look favourably upon that sort of thing, in Asia at least.
mojo_juju 9y ago
Just out of curiosity, why don't you like China? Have you traveled there? If so it would be great to hear how it was, and what you liked/didn't like.
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vengefully_yours 9y ago
They are there, the difference is they have kids, usually a meth addiction, and have had so many cocks in them they've lost count.
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vengefully_yours 9y ago
They aren't invisible, some can still have nice bodies, but around here if she is thin, she is snorting ADHD meds, shooting meth, or is into heroin. The decent girls are severely outnumbered by the users, and almost always have a boyfriend. Mind you, boyfriends don't mean shit to me, other than he gets to pay for her shit while I fuck her.
The number of fat girls here is appalling.
mojo_juju 9y ago
Living on Rural West Coast of US. Can confirm via tinder interactions.
Its amazing how many 20's women have kids in photos on Tinder. Others are a little smarter and don't put up their kid's photos... but once they reveal it.. game over
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Magnum007 9y ago
that's exactly why I married a Russian girl that I met through a friend.
EarnestMalware 9y ago
Yes, along with plenty of poor mates as well.
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this makes me think a more accurate description than AWALT is "power corrupts." I think everyone would behave the way woman do if given that power. It's not their vaginas that make AWALT, it's the power (or former power).
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No it's not. Things like the availability and quality of mates also matter deeply. Also, men have a similar power to woman once they hit the 1%. Further, You might go on vacation to Eastern Europe and see these distinctions completely absent. Culture is what gives woman power, not vaginas.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
u/jamesfromdelaware was right. Vagina = power because that is what we want and you only have power when you have something others want. Just answer this simple question: if you see a woman and you know she has no vagina and she is not your mother, are you interested in her? Answer: no. Neither is any other guy. Therefore she has no power. It's not the only factor because things like supply and demand influence the extent of her power but 95% of it is vagina = power.
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The top 1%, on red pill commonly refers to the men who are the best 1% of the dating pool (the ones woman desire most). With woman it's easy for 5s or above to get laid/date. For men, the theory is that mostly just that top 1% gets laid, (and they get laid a lot). Which is why a lot of trp is about becoming part of that 1%.
zephyrprime 9y ago
I disagree and I think you are not understanding the OP is you think it's the power. The fading women in OP's reference story has LESS power than she used to. If it were power that corrupted, she would become progressively less corrupt. Now, it really is the pussy that does it, not the power. Specifically, it's their genetic programming not the actually pussy but metaphorically, it's the pussy.
StarDestinyGuy 9y ago
This one pisses me off more than any of your other examples.
0vercast 9y ago
So what is a guy supposed to do?
Soultrane9 9y ago
I disagree with the never give a fuck opinion. OP seems like he cared. He cared because he wanted to. If you want to, do it. If it drives away the woman, THEN comes in the "who cares".
Call it a male shit test. I take 1-2 days off every month to just smoke weed and play video games. No work, no lifting. Because i want to. If my LTR loses attraction because i'm not wood chopping 24/7 i'm better off being single spinning plates.
skoobled 9y ago
Never give a fuck. About anything. Ever.
Nihilism
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
If you are dating older women then you are suffering from selection bias. The ones that were high quality women married high quality guys and stayed married. What you get to date at that age is everyone else.
AkaviriDragon 9y ago
Fought depression my whole life. Single parent household. Just me and abusive mother (go figure). We're talking about the kind of mother who'd hit you for no reason and threaten to call the cops if you fought back.
Naturally, being the loveless wreck I was, I looked for a chick who'd treat me kindly. First girl I got along with was a best friend of mine. She stopped talking to me after things went sour. Turns out my beta best friend liked her and started spreading rumours about me to her friends. Of course the girl never agreed to having a chat with me to talk things over, very mature. Don't trust betas, they're like a desperate drug addict who'd do anything to get their fix.
Second girl I got along with was the kindest girl i'd met. We dated for 2 years. Left me at the peak of my depression. Her reason? I wasn't studying or working. No compassion whatsoever for my depression. Great friend here aswell.
Right now i'm having to deal with a friend's bullshit. We've been fencing togheter for half a year. She was acting like a bitch all day. I give her the finger and carry on with the day as usual. She blocks me. I don't say anything.
I don't go to fencing practice, where she usually implores me to go to, because I have an appointment with the dentist. Ofc I don't tell her that. So the bitch calls me on the phone, apologizing for blocking me.
As we all know women crave attention and drama like drug addicts. Not sucking up to women gets you far. Its not like she really believes her action are wrong but if you hold your ground at the very least you're bound to keep your dignity.
Its somewhat hard to fathom how meaningless friendship and kindness are to women but AWALT, as much as we wish it weren't the case... In my life experience it seems compassion isn't in their vocabulary unless compassion is required to exploit someone..
To put it bluntly: Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks.
bunnylajoya8 9y ago
When I read AWALT comments I always picture American women. The US has been affected by feminism an awful lot worse than the UK where I live. I live in a tiny, beautiful seaside town, small businesses and boutiques everywhere you look, typical Brit accents etc. You've obviously heard of that small town mentality.
Anyway, girls who sleep around here are tarred with that slut brush as soon as it becomes public knowledge. It's such a taboo.
Also, until fairly recently there was no concept of dating around with different guys to size them up as they would in the US. If a girl started seeing a guy he'd be the only one until they break up. I know in more populated areas girls have started this multi-date thing but where I'm from it's like "SLUT" straight away. Lol.
Apart from the slutty girls/users the women here (the ones I know of anyway) are fantastic when it comes to comforting emotional men. My dad can be quite pathetic and self pitying sometimes but my mother & I get this heavy feeling of empathy and love for him, and care for him when he needs it. I have done it for boyfriends also, and it brought us so close together.
Not trying to derail AWALT, I would say that because of the small group of women who are not like that, would prove it correct as it's a generalisation?
Downvote me if I make no sense, just got back from a party (tipsy) :)
EDIT: I think AWALT things all the time. In the past I would act upon them. Now I keep that stuff in check. TRP has changed my outlook, and I've internalised a lot of it. I basically have an inner dialogue before I say/do stupid things. AWALT is real and I know this :)
Day_man2020 9y ago
The female two face has been proven by science, women in general become more agreeable and altruistic when they are aroused even twords other women. Since this is a biological effect you can understand where the nag free honeymoon comes from, since you're still new and exciting she's on hormone autopilot, once you've seen her enough to become more accustomed to you the hormone response winds down a little and you get to see want she's really like
Source: documentary about lust seen on youtube recently (the first bit, rest is my interpretation)
mojo_juju 9y ago
can you find us the youtube link plz?
thx
Day_man2020 9y ago
http://youtu.be/nKeRBLYWGOs
bsutansalt 9y ago
Fascinating stuff. If you flirt with a woman, she's more likely to be nice to others.
Day_man2020 9y ago
Being a plate spinner makes the world a better place, when you get your plates all sexed up they go out into the world a kinder more agreeable woman. My dick is like a natural resource of positive vibes and butterfly effect.
neveragoodtime 9y ago
Just to clarify the all good women are gone by 25 comment. This means you need to be dating women under 25 no matter how old you are. Not that you need to marry someone your own age before you turn 25. I made that mistake and it doesn't work that way. You should be aiming for building your life into something great by the time you're 35-40, and the 25 year olds will follow.
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nzgs 9y ago
Since when was there an assumption that post-wall women are easier? Single mothers might be desperate, but 30-something childless women are just about the most delusional bitches on the market. They don't want the cock carousel, they don't any beta bucks to raise their kid, they need to find Mr Right asap and their standards are delusionally high as a result.
TheRedPilsner 9y ago
Online dating makes women even more delusional because there are a lot more men then women who use such services. A woman who uses online dating is getting emailed by about 10 men per day, and this makes her believe that she's a lot more attractive than she actually is. I've seen a lot of women who are only a 6 or a 7 who think that they deserve a Brad Pitt lookalike who makes six figures and drives a Ferarri.
This is why I quit online dating. I can cold approach 8s and 9s in bars and get dates with them, but 6s and 7s on online dating sites will ignore me.
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It's more than that. Men lower their standards and spam messages online to make up for low response rate, which in turn raises the women's standards and choices and further lowers their response rate. It is a vicious cycle.
JayViceroy 9y ago
Online dating is the antithesis of TRP man. Unless you literally have no other option (which I can't see), drop online dating immediately and start approaching.
Smooovies 9y ago
I'm trolling your comments because you're making too much sense. This is my existence. Ham planets and ham beasts abound, will give me one, maybe two chances at winning them over on dating apps. In person, I could pull 8's or 9's with ease. It's like girls on dating apps are going full on BB attack mode, where as in person, AF have so much more influence.
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Postwall women versus pre-wall are easy and difficult in different ways. Postwall women are desperate for a relationship with like you said, a Mr Right, so if you play upon that, you can be the alpha high SMV guy who selectively flashes just enough beta traits to hook her. By their 30s they are a bit more wary of the pump and dump because it's happened so many times - but flashing enough beta traits to seperate you from the other "fun" guys, while not enough to cripple your game will always get you a plate / ONS.
In comparison, pre-wall women are much harder for beta bucks types because they are still provided for by their parents; they have no need of the stability and utility a BB provides. They also don't have the life experience to understand they cannot lock down an alpha. So compared to the postwall chick, the prewall is much easier for alphas and much harder for betas. So it's a pretty fruitless exercise to say "which age group of women is easier".
But I completely agree with your point in terms of effort : reward ratio, 30+ childless "career" women are by far the worst.
johnnight 9y ago
AFAIR on Dalrock there was this guy who was running a Greater Beta game on desperate Christian post-walls (post-carousels?). His game was to signal that undecided provider, who can be lured with some sex.
Markets for everything...
RedPillLawyer 9y ago
Some realize that their clock is ticking and will do literally anything to spend time with you. Either that or I am two of my plates' ideas of Mr. Right, in which case they are in for a rude awakening.
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ConcealingFate 9y ago
Talking about exes is a huge red flag IMO. What I'd do is straight up tell her I have no desire to hear about her exes and if she keeps on going, I'd cut the date short.
If she leaves to go talk to someone else, discreetly clear my tab and leave. I won't put up with this shit. It's extremely disrespectful.
Clemence999 9y ago
It doesn't bother me too much... but then again I never seek monogamy so my "screening process" might be different then yours.
I actually enjoy when a girl brings up her ex because I think it's an opportunity to lay down some thick game. To explain: most people (men and women) are very bitter about their exes. This has always struck me as dumb. If you dated the person... there was probably something cool about them right? If not, what does that say bout you?
So when she goes in to the whole "my ex sucked for these reasons" speech, disagree with her. Say "yeah, but there were probably some things that were great about him that you don't like talking about because he's gone. Sometimes things just end and it's not anybody's fault." Likewise, if she asks you about your exes, talk about them VERY positively. Great girl, had an amazing time, so much life and energy about her, but things ran their course and it ended. I have nothing bad to say about her though and I hope she's doing well.
All of this communicates that you are not jealous, you have a history of dating high quality women, you have a positive outlook on life and you are low-drama / low-judgment.
R_E_D_1 9y ago
Agreed. Also, navigating a chick's ex history is like looking at a map of her romantic intellect. I gotta be careful not to let her talk too much or I risk being friendzoned, but the information I've gleaned has helped me greatly in my pussy pounding potential.
ConcealingFate 9y ago
If I'm in for a ONS, then I agree that you can game on her exes. I've done it before and it works wonders.
I like your advice about your own exes though. There was one girl I dated that I will definitely describe in a different light from now on when the topic comes at hand.
garlicextract 9y ago
And if you haven't dated much, what then? I'd rather not lie about it.
oldredder 9y ago
What is says is if a break-up is bad I won't remember anything but the break-up and learn my lesson not to be with another one like her.
Shyeeit. I don't understand how you'd have another view... unless you're the one doing the dumping. When a bitch sleeps around on me in LTR that's the only thing I'll remember ever again. I won't constantly bring it up because I'd like to forget she even existed much less repeat the situation.
nicethingyoucanthave 9y ago
lol check this guy out: /u/RapistHere
Blue pillers are totally obsessed with us. They create fake accounts and everything!
bsutansalt 9y ago
Red Pill Science Lab sounds like it'd make for a fun youtube channel where we test theories in practical environments.
edit: DONE! I've got the gmail and youtube accounts and will get with some PUAs in my region and start running around local colleges and bars to start testing some stuff. This is going to be a fun summer :)
ElKod 9y ago
Youtube channel coming soon? Send the link!
dr_warlock 9y ago
What does "ethnically proven" mean?
colombianguy 9y ago
The closer we get to 100K users, the more desperate they get!
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I'm gonna go off on an unorthodox tangent here:
Her walking off to talk to the other guy was not a shit test; it was her trying to establish that she is popular and has status. She's trying to communicate that she's desired by other men, in an attempt to make the guy jealous.
See, this is solipsism at work, yet again. She thinks that because women find status and preselection to be attractive, that men must find that attractive too. She is, of course sorely mistaken, but since feminism teaches women to behave just like men, this is how she acts.
And not for anything, I'd have left after she was 5 minutes late, 10 tops. I wait a half hour for no bitch.
admirals_go_nuts 9y ago
If a woman starts talking about her exes be sure to listen it's valuable information. I'd love to know a women's track record before hand.
Oh that many? Congratulations to you, pump and dump next
WeCantHaveFun 9y ago
Up your fucking standards. If you think an old woman is worth a date, you've underestimated your value enormously.
Old women are good for free fucks to validate their sad, lonely egos. If they're not pushing, their cost exceeds their value.
I get hit on by these nasty old cunts all the time. If they're not degrading themselves in public for me, ignore.
Striking out on the monkey game? Take your urge to shit to a prossie.
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TL:DR Don't go on dates with women over the age of 25
nicethingyoucanthave 9y ago
fixed that for you. Dating, as it was done by that OKCupid guy, where you have dinner and sit and talk to each other - that shit is over. It's too formal. It's a waste of your time. Don't go into a restaurant with a girl unless you've already had sex with her.
Meet some place like a bar, don't open a tab (she can pay for her own drink) and spend no more than 30 minutes there. If she's cool then bounce to something free and fun. Go see a band play, or something. At the very first red flag (as in, don't even let her finish a sentence that starts with, "my ex always used to...") you say "hey it was great to meet you, bye"
HAMMURABl 9y ago
I agree. Here is a better phrase
1) dont go on dates
2) dont approach women over 25.
newbie3hunna 9y ago
This is honestly completely unrealistic.
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Date = drinks at the bar and she pays for hers
KingoftheAssholes 9y ago
Don't who downvoted you but you're right. Past 25 women have this look in their eyes that says I need to lock down my bb now.
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arbyq5000 9y ago
Is this a trick question? Go find one to bump uglies with!
Moolg86 9y ago
What particularly interests me about this interaction is the incident where she left to speak to another guy at the bar.
How would a fully initiated redpiller deal with such an occurence(inb4 don't date post-wall women), and what are some takeaways for future reference?
Bonlocan 9y ago
If I were on a date with a girl who I wasn't all that impressed by and she did something completely rude like go have a lengthy conversation with someone else while I'm sitting at the table I would probably just settle up my tab and leave without saying anything to her. It's an incredibly disrespectful thing to do and the only way you're going to save any face is by not putting up with it, rather than sitting there like a chump until she decides to come back.
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Yeah, can't believe this isn't the top comment to this question. What do you do? You fucking LEAVE.
buffalo_slim 9y ago
I really can't believe this was even a question asked.
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"fully initiated redpiller"
Almost sounds like he actually does see it as a cult. He wants to know the ONE TRUE WAY that an Initiate of the Red Pill Order (or is it Knights of the Crimson Lozenge?) must act in order to be Alpha.
Seeing questions like his could make me believe Asperger's is actually a real disorder.
Luke666808g 9y ago
Asperger's is real in the sense that people can suck that hard at social skills, but people can suck hard at riding a bike too.
Just gotta train long enough to where you can overcome your handicap.
NeopolitanAfterglow 9y ago
Aspergers is real in the sense that INTJ is real.
Luke666808g 9y ago
I'm so fucking sick of acronyms, would it really have ruined your day to just type that shit out?
**oh looks like an acronym that Google actually gives the correct result for, a small miracle.
flyingwolf 9y ago
You could have at least posted the first link on google.
http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html
Holy 1990s webpage batman.
pluvoaz 9y ago
Ooh, do we get to wear funny hats?
CapnDancyPants 9y ago
You don't discover a real social development disorder and call it ass burgers....that's just cruel.
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It's retarded in it's phrasing, but the question is definitely something I see newbies ask over in asktrp or trpgame when it was a thing. No harm in wondering what approaches other guys take.
buffalo_slim 9y ago
I suppose. This question seemed self evident. It appeared to me that there was 1 path to take.
newspaper_nerd 9y ago
That's /thread right there, nothing else needs to be said. I'm nice if my date is nice. If she acts like a self-entitled cunt, I'm outta here.
4_YRT 9y ago
It's the same thing with the cell phone. I was on a first date with a girl who kept checking her cell phone, and she appeared to be having a text conversation with at least two other people. I didn't say anything to her about it. I just politely asked the waiter for the check. I put the money on the table and walked out of the restaurant without saying another word to her.
sigmayogi 9y ago
I was wondering where your post was headed. It went in the exactly correct direction.
Luke666808g 9y ago
In my BP days I was traveling with this female friend, and she shit tested me constantly, my frame was non-existent, but finally I blew up at her in such at way that it would be awkward to stay together on the trip, so I gave her $100 for the hotel room (since she would no longer have anyone to split costs with), packed up my things and left, and headed down to the nearest backpackers which only charged $11 a day.
TempusRerumImperator 9y ago
Probably i wouldve just left as well. Dunno though, depends on how hot she was.
Olipyr 9y ago
That doesn't, or shouldn't, matter when it comes to respecting your time.
netgrey 9y ago
The only other option I see is getting up and start gaming other women at the bar.
TempusRerumImperator 9y ago
Theres always a chance to redeem that shit, ALWAYS. If a bitch is talking to someone else as in this case, someone that she knows interrupts the date, then you have to maintain frame like it doesnt bother you. You can't act all butthurt. Some of your REDPILL guys have to seriously learn some principles of game, cause you're definitely wrong on this one. That shit happens all the time in open sets.
monsieurhire2 9y ago
As far as I'm concerned, this is not a "shit-test," but an insult. Maybe we should have categories? To me, a "shit-test" is when the woman tries to qualify you, maybe she teases you, or maybe she tries to ascertain your status or wealth with various kinds of questions. Maybe she flakes, maybe she cancels, and so on. The key with a shit-test is that it is covered in an aura of plausible deniability. She can always say that she is genuinely interested in the former case, or in the latter case, something came up.
Talking to some other guy when you are at a bar is her giving you the middle finger. It's one thing if she goes to the bathroom and the guy flags her down and she is being polite. It's another if she approaches the guy in some way. The other guy is not at fault. It is her. It is ALWAYS her.
The first thing to consider is that by doing this, she demonstrates a complete lack of interest in you as a person. Sure, you can try to salvage the situation with various psychological tricks and gimmicks, but why even waste the effort? To prove that you can seduce a skank with trickery to make yourself feel better? You'd still just be giving an undeserving party exactly what they want: drama, excitement, conflict, attention.
Here's what I do when I feel insulted in a first meeting type of situation:
Now, it's different if you are friends with someone and they break your balls a little. It's also different if the person is just naturally friendly and gregarious, and will talk to anyone they're near to out of habit. If you sense no malice, you have to tread carefully because you don't want to appear jealous. Sometimes a person with a good nature will test to see if your jealous and controlling by doing something like that. However, if you sense that it IS motivated by malice, then GTFO and move on.
One extra thing you can do is find a woman that you can talk to. Keep talking to her until the woman notices and intervenes, or until you get bored. But again, you should have some expectations for how a woman should behave, and if she disappoints them, well then she wasn't for you anyway.
-Awake- 9y ago
Well, I like to think of shit tests in categories anyhow.
If a girl teases me with an inviting smile, she wants to know if I'm fun too. Pretty minor test.
If she tells me she has a boyfriend or asks me to hold her purse, then I take it as a standard shit test.
However, there are those nuclear shit tests that leave even most up-and-coming alphas speechless. The example of her talking to another guy while on a date is a nuclear shit test, and should be combated with nuclear force
That means standard shit test rules for me apply. "Oh, you're flirting with another guy on your date with me?" Agree and Amplifly "Okay, not only will I talk to another girl, but I'll escalate with her right in front of you"
The other go to, Ignore and Redirect works when taken to a nuclear level, because you do so to the point of nexting her and walking out
monsieurhire2 9y ago
I've experienced the purse-holding thing a few times. I don't understand it really. I occasionally ask people if they'll keep an eye on my things when I go to the bathroom, so I always interpreted it in that vein. But then when I found out it was a shit-test, I started making excuses not to. I had this one woman do it to me, and then when I found out afterwards what it was, I promptly cut her off attention-wise, because I found it infuriating that she would even do something like that when I hadn't even made an actual pass at her. Then she comes slinking around wanting attention, but I'm already giving it to other women. More recently, some psycho bitch asked me to watch her purse, and I remembered to say no, which I did tactfully. It seemed to win some respect, but then she started acting more psycho (she was into metal and the occult, but not in a good wholesome way [lol]), maybe another shit test, so I just noped the fuck out of there.
-Awake- 9y ago
The purse holding thing isn't always a major shit test, usually people need things watched when they go to the bathroom (she's just putting a bit of a shit test spin on it when she asks you to hold it). My response was always giving them a command to set it down at x place and go, and then jokingly telling them that if they weren't back in 60 seconds I would be gone.
however, if you're just taking a walk together and she holds out her purse expecting you to carry it for her, you destroy that shit
Robdogx9001 9y ago
Yeah, this situation wasn't salvageable.
cruyff8 9y ago
The first (and only) time anyone's has done something similar to me, I politely finished my food, settled my cheque and left. A few hours on, I had her back at my place where she apologised. Whatever, I was hungry.
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grewapair 9y ago
Something like this happened to me on a second date. The girl goes to the bathroom and doesn't come back. I had no idea where she had gone.
I'm getting hit on by drunk girls and after 20 minutes just say fuck it, and ask some other girl if she wants to come back to my place. So we take off and as we're walking out of the bar, there's the girl I was originally with. She's standing just outside the door talking to a guy smoking outside who she tried to explain was a friend of hers from high school that she bumped into. I just told her 20 minutes was kind of a long time to leave me sitting there, took the other girl home and never called the first one back.
tat_guy_says_what 9y ago
When the guy figured out she was using old pics that would have been the time to leave. A true redpiller would have said. I don't date women that bait and switch. Bye.
nzgs 9y ago
You leave. A very risky option would be to chat up another girl at the bar, but if you have that much game and attractiveness in the first place then no date is going to do that to you.
Pornography_saves_li 9y ago
If available, chat up a girl at the bar. Even better, settle the check from the 'date', keep chatting up whoever you found, and ignore initial date girl from that point on.
If no other chick there to hit on, pay own share of bill, plus generous tip, then quietly leave without getting her attention.
Failing that, insert self into conversation, suggest the three of you go somewhere more likely to have single women at, then quietly find another girl to go home with (ie, original date and 'new guy' serve as initial social proof at new venue - ignore them from first opportunity onward).
Red-Zen 9y ago
Find server. Split cheques. Settle mine. Get my food boxed to go.
Screenp2 9y ago
just get up and leave and let her sort out the tab. Her level of disrespect deserves no less than a total walkaway.
T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 9y ago
I did that to a secret fatty who conned me into a date through OKC. Not only was she incredibly obese, she was rude as fuck.
Now she may have been giving me shit tests as I was unfamiliar with the concept at the time, but when you weigh twice what I do, you don't get to shit test me.
I remember the last thing she said to me: "since you don't have the balls to ask, do you want to go do something after this?"
No. No, I don't. Bye.
Left and stuck her with the bill.
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Two approaches -
One, you do not give a fuuuuck. You should be hitting on other girls. When she comes back, you're with someone hotter. If she comes back and says "Sorry that was really rude of me, I just knew that guy from work and felt like I had to say hi" then fine, have her buy you a drink or something stupid and proceed.
If not, continue on with your night. Always structure dates in a way that if she no-shows (or is a bitch, or does the above) you can still have fun. I go to a bar in SF that's near my favorite club and this late night cafe that's full of drunk Asian girls around 12am-2am.
Option two, you go straight in. "Hey, girl, back over here, let's go. That's rude." I've had another guy to this to me in Korea - I was talking to this Korean girl, we were flirting, I thought I was getting somewhere, and this buff, short Korean dude rolls up, scolds her like a retarded child or something, and physically moves his chick away. No hesistation, he walks in directly in a straight line, retrieves his squeeze, and disciplines her.
The commonality between the two courses of action is that in neither situation as you sitting there passively waiting for her to come back. You immediately snap into action - you decide would you rather go for A or B, and you stick to it.
Hamilton950B 9y ago
I've had this happen to me. After waiting a minute to make sure she wasn't going to introduce us, I paid my part of the bill and left. And that was back when I was as beta as they come. I can't believe anyone would put up with this.
Oprahforpresident 9y ago
Initial reaction would be if the food is already there to tell him to box it up, seperate checks, pay, and gtfo
zephyrprime 9y ago
This actually happened to me when I was a lot less capable than I am now. I tried to out alpha the guy which was pretty easy but I still failed because I didn't want to physically just walk away with the girl. I wanted her to come to me after I out-alphaed him which never happened of course.
The answer to this happening is to leave and stick her with the bill. Don't even try to recover her in a situation like this because she has disrespected you so much that it is simply intolerable to keep on trying to run game on her. Your self respect is more important.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
I suppose the options are:
1) Leave
2) Keep quiet
3) Find someone else to talk to
4) Join the conversation with her
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GREF_ 9y ago
Yeah I'd like to get a real answer on this as I need to improve my shit test skills, but I expect something more like.
"don't date post wall women"
"If you had done things right earlier she wouldn't have done that."
What I would have done is inject myself into the conversation, introduce myself to the guy, and take over the conversation with her friend. It wouldn't be long before he would ask "How do you two know each other?" then I'd be like "This is our first date we met Online." He'd probably say "Oh okay I'll leave you two alone then."
Hopefully we get something better but at least I took charge of the situation.
pl231 9y ago
why? if they are going to leave you during a date to talk to someone else, why are you going to fight for her approval?
GREF_ 9y ago
For the purpose of being really good at shit tests. If you can handle brutal ones like this then you could handle the rest with ease.
disposable_pants 9y ago
The example given is where she sees an acquaintance -- she's not just talking to some random guy. Saying hello to a friend as a courtesy is fine, hitting on a stranger isn't.
Olipyr 9y ago
Leaving your date and having a long conversation with said friend is not fine.
disposable_pants 9y ago
Didn't say it was. I'm saying there's at least one situation where it's OK to talk to another guy during a date -- if you're saying hello (briefly) to a friend.
pl231 9y ago
I guess it depends on how you define talking. I read it as she physically removed herself from the date and went over to where other dude was. I don't care if he's her dad, that's automatic next for me.
"1000 yous and only 1 of me"
BlaiseDB 9y ago
Because you want to fuck her: (certainly) no more, no less.
monsieurhire2 9y ago
See my response above to u/Moolg86.
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There's a couple ways to deal with the ex's shit test.
Agree and Amplify: Start talking about your own exes and exaggerate them. Make exes up. If she continues, and specifically focuses on these guy's flaws, continue amping up to ridiculous levels the quality, beauty, and overall wonderfulness of yours followed by some minor thing they did (comically minor) that you dumped them for. Hopefully at some point she'd realize you were intentionally mocking her and any direction that went, positive or negative, would be better than her talking about her exes.
Flip the Script: Get interested in each story then find some (real or made up) possible flaw in her that actually caused whatever "asshole" thing the guy did. Left you for a 22 year old floozie? Maybe he just couldn't resist her looks (implication there is obvious). If things go south, this line of conversation would eventually provide the opportunity to nuke the hamster from orbit with a buyer's market of targets.
grewapair 9y ago
I can assure you that they are more desperate to get treated like a queen, because no one will do it. So they will just push you harder to take them to nicer places than someone way prettier. So you pay more, get less. No thanks.
LadyLumen 9y ago
It's a mistake to think that entitlement goes away with age. I overhear ugly, fat women in their 40's and even 60's complaining about their boyfriends/husbands for simply being "dorky." Dorky is a common code word for "beta," because they can't really get away with complaining that their husband is too much of a push over, so dorky is a better word.
A few generations ago most single women over 30 didn't even get noticed and became spinsters, unless they were more attractive or had better personalities than most. Now even a fat, pre-menopausal chick feels entitled to alpha cock.
WakingUpAlice 9y ago
Dating sites give women a false sense of entitlement and makes them think that men are less then they are because it empowers them to do the picking and choosing when in fact that is our Job and has always been. I stay away from dating sites. This is one reason.
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WakingUpAlice 9y ago
Dating websites are for betaflux who don't make it in the real world.
scummcdirt 9y ago
Yeah,
chances are an older guy with a career is either too busy to date, or has built up a nice list of contacts that may be single.
RedHeimdall 9y ago
Not my impression... I'd say the general consensus on TRP is more anti-online dating than pro-online dating.
Olipyr 9y ago
She was thirty minutes late and no phone number?! Fuck that!
I'll get a drink then fuck off somewhere else after fifteen minutes.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
One auxiliary explanation is baggage. You will be held to account for every failed relationship the woman has had, every indignity she has suffered at the hands of previous lovers, every ounce of effort she spent on other guys who did not reciprocate. On the other hand, you will be expected to match or exceed their best qualities. It takes a while for this to settle into their psyche, generally by age 25.
As far as OKC is concerned, there is a strategic choice regarding how must online interaction precedes setting up a meeting. Personally, if the girl is young and hot then I don't demand her phone number and don't worry about setting up a "date". But with a 35 year old woman, sheesh: do a bit more pre-screening, at least the point where you can exchange numbers and notice any inconsistencies in her story. Forearmed with forewarned.
UrsusG 9y ago
These two particular shit test?
As for talking about exes, I would listen with interest and gently encourage more stories in a non-judgmental manner.
As for getting up and talking to another man, tha's not a shit test, it's an insult. I would end the "date" right there and then, asking for separate checks like the OP.
kevkos 9y ago
Why in the world would the OKC OP WANT to pass her "shit tests"? She sounds like a disaster. So let's say he "passed". What does that get him? Another horrible date with her?
35 BTW isn't that old if you're in southern California, that can look pretty good actually....and often does come along with total attitude.
This is simply a lesson in do a better job screening your online dates so you don't have to endure one like this.
TheeRyanGrey 9y ago
My mother, nearly fifty, will show up to my residence, get mad that I don't have time for her inane relationship quarrels and office gossip and theN storm out and text me how angry she is instead of talking like an adult.
All women are like that no matter the age
babydocnorman 9y ago
Dude waited 29 minutes and 59 seconds too long. He surrendered frame by waiting for this crazy chick.
LardOfTheOnionRings 9y ago
Honestly I would've stuck around for the entertainment value.
User-31f64a4e 9y ago
Being post-wall doesn't mean that a woman necessarily admits to her self that she is a shadow of her former glory.
When reality is unpleasant, humans have a way of ignoring it. This applies to over-the-hill women in spades.
naturalredpill 9y ago
Easy rules for online dating:
Steve_Wiener 9y ago
That kind of behavior is way beyond a shit test. I would have left that bitch at the bar real quick.
bsutansalt 9y ago
Here you go:
/r/TheRedPill/comments/22qnmk/newbies_read_this_the_definitive_guide_to_shit/
kevkos 9y ago
Aaaannnd so if they guy "passed" her shit tests, what would that get him? Another date with a bitchy overly arrogant woman who wants him to pay for everything? No thanks.
bsutansalt 9y ago
What she was doing did not strike me as shit tests, but her being a shitty person.
disposable_pants 9y ago
For the exes I'd go with something like: (laugh) "Oh, exes? I was going to jump straight into politics or religion. (laugh) What'd he do?" You don't ignore it, you handle it with humor, you let her know it's not an appropriate topic for discussion, and then you show it doesn't bother you asking her to tell the story anyway. She should drop it, or she may tell a short version of it but feel self-conscious while she's doing it.
As for the other bit, it's important to note that the guy she went to talk to was apparently an acquaintance, not just a random dude. Saying hi to a friend is one thing, hitting on a stranger is another. In this specific situation -- no chemistry, she's not participating in the conversation, didn't look like her pictures, etc. -- I would have gotten my check and left when she went to talk to the other guy. You know it's not happening and when she walks over to her friend she loses the privilege of a polite goodbye.
orange_sumo 9y ago
I can't believe OP even stayed throughout the whole dinner when she was talking about her exes. I know remaining stoic is important, but what a failure of a shit test.
byronshadow 9y ago
Or it was a weird power game. "I've still got it, I can get away with making people wait around for me like I did when I was 20!"
GaiusScaevolus 9y ago
Remember folks, every woman thinks she's 10% hotter than she was at her peak. If she was a 7 at 22, she'll round herself up to an even 8 in her head for the rest of her life.
wiseprogressivethink 9y ago
Turns out she was Syrian. Dude's lucky he escaped the date with his head attached.
cariboo_j 9y ago
Some shit tests are so shitty it's not worth the effort
zephyrprime 9y ago
I've actually had something like this happen before. At the time I was totally beta and didn't understand what was going on. She was a 30 year old woman too so she was hitting the wall. This chick had a totally crazy history with lots of men. She had 3 baby daddies and 4 kids already. She didn't exclusively talk about just her exes but she just basically complained about how shitty her life was. I didn't recognize what she was doing as a shit test because she didn't try to denigrate me at all during her whining.
Also, if you read that norah vincent book, she has a story where the same thing would happen to her again and again. She eventually stumbled on the right response to this shit test.
I talked to a really alpha guy I know about it later. He was a manager at a strip club and wrestler. Not the most charming guy but really fit and used to not taking any shit. This was his answer to me. "I make shit sandwiches, I don't take them."
If some women is trying to make you a shit sandwich, immediately tell her in no uncertain terms that you will not put up with that shit. Tell her you came to have fun and you are looking for a fun person. Everyone has issues but I am not the one to talk to about that shit. Save it for your shrink. If you cannot talk about anything else, the date is over.
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beginner_ 9y ago
Don't go out for dinner on the first date. That was the guys first mistake. It's easier (less annoying) to have to leave due to her behavior when just having a drink. Shit test or not going to talk with another guy when on a date is a no-go.
mojo_juju 9y ago
on my last tinder date the woman tried to con me into paying for her drinks...
we basically had gone out for drinks, in order to meet up and judge eachothers' worthiness.
naturally by the end of the date she had the expectation I was some kind of walking ATM who pays for any queef's drinks.
My reaction, "Why would you think I was going to pay for you? When did I agree to that? Hey aren't you some kind of feminist? Where is your independence and equality?"
Her defense? "How could you make me pay for my drinks in front of all my friends?" hahaha... her "friends". She didnt know anyone at the bar besides the bartender and maybe 1 lady who she was acquainted with. What a deceitful manipulative sack of mess. I think she was 35 or 36, but has 2 daughters.. single mom.
Didnt work out that night but the next day she texted me to apologize and ask for a porking
Naturally I turn down that kind of crazy every time. Why risk my reputation by associating with a dumbass crazy.
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Also, this guy could have been java the hutt
balalasaurus 9y ago
First of all her being late would have pissed me off. Second of all is no-one here bothered by the fact that she lied about her ethnicity? I refuse to believe that that should just be skirted around. What if I have a thing for Asians and I find out she's Indian (technically Asian)? Fuck. That. Shit.
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bunnylajoya8 9y ago
Today I learned that Somalians and Ethiopians are caucasian. Lol. Holy shit.
therock6658 9y ago
This story made me LoL. For one, he did the right thing in asking for separate checks, but why would he stay there after waiting for her for 30 minutes in the first place?
Oh well, at least he ate onion rings.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Booyah! Instant redemption dawg.
TheWastedYearz 9y ago
Did any of you actually took time and read the article? this fucking tool had a diet pepsi and onion rings on a date... two sides to every story, i woulda lost respect instantly if i was this hag.
VancouverSucks 9y ago
The first mistake was going on a date with a 35 year old. 16 years older than the girl who had my Wang in her mouth last night.
blue_27 9y ago
I'm in my 40's. There is no way I'd put my dick in a 19-year old.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
I am late 40's and would pay good money to fuck a 19 year old. If I wasn't married that would be my goal. You must have daughters?
blue_27 9y ago
No. I just find 19-year old's to be exceptionally vacant between the ears. Around this time last year I was fucking a 23-year old, and she was tough to handle. When she acted her age ... she was actually just acting her age.
To each their own, but I doubt I'll target anything under 25 again. Too young, too dumb, and just not worth the headache.
grewapair 9y ago
Neither would I, until
3020 seconds had passed.carnage_panda 9y ago
True, people don't seem to understand how completely psychotic young women are.