You spend a quarter of your life studying, then work on a full time job for years, while these top tier stripper guys make twice as much as you, working half of the time, and they're literally getting their dicks sucked by your wives.
Dude, fuck morals, if i ever get the opportunity to strip for a living im taking it, oh you dont "respect" me, well have fun with your 9-5, ill just get groped by women for 4 hours and call it a night.
Remember, don't hate the player, hate the game. This dude is doing what works for him and its working very well. Women are sex crazed beings, getting over your attachment to virginity and matrimony and working on making yourself more attractive and less reactive will put you ahead of most people.
Remember, don't hate the player, hate the game. This dude is doing what works for him and its working very well.
This is the problem with TRP: too many of you try to exploit the collapse of the west for your own sexual variety by embracing degeneracy. Your worldview may be accurate, but your attitude is nihilistic and hedonistic.
The player, the game, and the sluts are all degeneracy and should be shunned by a functional society. If the fear of shame were present, those things would still exist in the shadows, but at least your fiancee won't be fucking a stripper at her bachelorette party while her friends cheer her on.
The other men, the men they cheat with, get to learn women are weak pathological liars from the other perspective. And when those men get up in years and finally decide to settle down, they're stuck with the curse of knowing that.
Everyone I know wanted me to find out the hard way because that's the "responsible" thing to do. You guys may have gotten over it but I think I need more time.
The last few women I've fucked have lied to their BFs right in front of me via texts and phone calls. It's eye-opening to see how naturally it comes for them.
The bitter resentment that guys hold on women's past sexual history is usually coming from insecurity. You can't control who fucks who, only yourself. The stripper does not give one fuck what the sexual history of the women he fucks is. That mentality on top of his confidence and self comfort creates an abundance mindset. Even if this guy wasn't a stripper, he would still be getting pussy on the reg.
Instead of exerting energy and wasting time hating on hot women who love AND get stuffed by huge monster cocks and swallowing their cum, you should be focusing on yourself and being happy with your circumstance. Get an abundance mindset. When you start banging women on the regular, this "outrage" feeling that inexperienced guys have is outright pathetic. All of a sudden you're not upset at the horseshit that women pull. Instead, you just accept their antics as part of womenhood. Eventually you don't see them as 'antics', you realize it as women.
There is nothing that a woman could do that would surprise this stripper. Nothing. Get on this guys level fellas.
I'm seeing this as added motivation when I hit the gym now. You mean I can get paid (pretty damn nicely I might add) to let some horny chick and her friends be hoes around me?
The bitter chode guys that don't get laid and are jealous have two options.
Stay bitter and get addicted to being outraged every time they identify a girl that fucks multiple cool guys in their prime. And then die.
GET OFF THEIR ASS AND TAKE ACTION. Game like a motherfucker and face rejection like a man until you get the hang of it. Learn your identity as a man. Ultimately, learn the true potential you hold and travel the road that leads to self actualization. And then die.
Both suck, but one doesn't suck if you stay with it long enough. Stop being a bitter faggot and infecting everyone around you. You are going to die anyways.
It's believable but bachelorette parties are pretty low class to begin with. If your bride is low class you should know and I have no sympathy for you. My wife refused to even have such a party...she's not perfect but this is one of many qualities you need in LTR material.
Unfortunately, bachelor parties have gone from taboo to full gender equality and society has made both acceptable and even expected in some circles.
A lot of manosphere (and conventional) thinking is that you have to look at her family. That's true. But I think kids grow up in 2 basic stages. Birth-Puberty where their parents are the biggest influence. And Puberty-Adult where their friends/classmates are the biggest influence. So you have to look at her friends too. There's a certain hypergamy there too in both sexes and if she's only befriending sluts, well that says something about her.
Still, I've been at enough bachelor parties where I know the guy isn't going to do anything and his buddies will razz him and they take part in all the fun. Doesn't always go that way, but the majority. But get a bunch of women together, I don't care if she's a unicorn, the female brain somehow goes into overdrive and they don't have quite the resistance to group pressure and the inner slut comes out.
So, if anyone marries, remember you marry her local culture too. She comes from a slutty local culture, well guess what she sees as the norm? If you marry conservative Amish (a bit extreme), there's not going to be bachelorette parties. Marry a typical western girl? Not even once.
Anyway, now that I read the thread, I take it as a troll thread because of this later comment of his:
She told me I ended up fucking 17 of the 23 women there, with all but one of those 23 at least sucking my dick, came in two of them, didn't leave the house until three thirty in the afternoon, earned just under 4 Grand that night, and the bride to be (now bride) and I have met up a couple times at hotels since then because apparently her 70 year old husband can't fuck at all.
Maybe exaggerated but certainly could happen. You forget how sexual women are, now imagine them all in the mood, believing that "what happens that night is never going to be talked about". It's basically their excuse to slut it up like there's no tomorrow. It's not something they do every day, but these short bursts are explosive. So yes, it happens a lot more often than you think.
There's a huge stigma too for men in bachelor parties. If you make a move on the stripper and she doesn't agree (either because she's not attracted to you and/or she did not agree to provide those services), she'll cry rape. A male stripper at a bachelorette party? Assuming the bride-to-be isn't fucking hideous, why the hell would he care if his dick was getting sucked if the women are offering it freely? There's no way the guy will or can cry rape.
I just read the whole story. Someone here should file that under /r/thatHappened for easy points. I see he also posted it back in December under an account name that exaggerates his dick size in his user name (he shows it off) and a fit but unimpressive body for a stripper.
Give a bitch an inch of power and freedom, she'll run with it and take the whole fucking mile.
No sense of self-control. No accountability. Shit, with some of them, not even guilt.
Funny how guilt only applies in retrospect to so many of these broads, and "beforehand" it is completely absent from the decision making process. So emotional, so transient.
Guys can cheat and still be good husbands, so long as their primary responsibilities are to the family. Women cheating is a bigger issue because when women have sex, they release the hormone oxytocin which usually creates a bond between them and their partner.
Guys are out to satisfy their primal instincts. In most cases, they aren't looking for a new partner. Women when they have sex are generally looking for a better mate.
Women can be in long-term friends with benefits relationships and usually do so because they want to reserve a desirable sexual partner and to have a provider on the side.
Its a good thing that a literal minute long hug, once or twice a day is enough to keep oxytocin flowing in Pavlovian response to you.
Its a weird thing. Evolution. The male can exert euphoria onto the female, at will.
Not only that, but a stoic, silent hug, 30-90 seconds in length, conveys everything essential to the female. And includes a drug roughly as strong as an ms contin tablet.
Guys should only cheat if their wife can't satisfy that primal need. If you're going out for strange and leaving your reasonably attractive wife home alone, you're an asshole and the relationship is flawed. That's just begging to have your wife cheat on you.
Guys shouldn't cheat for any reason. A guy needs to be confident enough to tell a woman that he has urges. If the guy can't get his needs met, he needs to leave the arrangement. Unfortunately, this is very difficult to do in a marriage because of history and because of the financial consequences of a divorce.
Most guys with very high sex drives tend to go out for other women for variety. Look up Coolidge effect: men AND women get tired of having sex with the same person over and over, although men being primal are able to enjoy sex with their current partner for a longer period of time than their female partners.
The majority of cheating done by wives and girlfriends is not because their male partners are "assholes". In fact, from personal observation and from anecdotes, assholes are generally able to keep their partners sexually loyal as it instills a sense of dread in them (ie. if I don't do my best, he's going to leave me).
Men that dote on their wives/girlfriends instill no fear whatsoever. Women will step on a man if he gives them any leeway.
Marriage is a gamble. Men get married to a woman because they feel like it is the socially expected thing to do or because they feel that if they don't, a woman will leave them for another man who will. If she leaves, then fuck it. You can be in a committed relationship and have children without having to get married. The only real benefits from a marriage are tax breaks, which are offset by risks from divorce.
Kind of like insurance companies selling life insurance: they receive constant payments and benefit up until the point the insuree kicks the bucket.
For what reason? Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who are married and are perfectly happy with being married and are perfectly happy with their lives.
I agree that if it's not working that you should get a divorce. But in my opinion, I think that cheating should never even be considered and is just about the worst thing you could put your spouse through.
If your wife is not "satisfying your primal need" maybe you need to talk to her or get a psychiatrist for both of you. If she refuses to have sex with you it may mean that she is just doing it on the side, in which case a divorce would make sense.
I guess? I'm just spitting whatever. In real life I share my home with my spouse of 8 years and we even have a child together, but we're never getting married.
This sounds very similar to another story on /r/thathappened. In that story, the male stripper fucked all but 1 girl and they had sex from 11 PM until 4 AM in the morning. Cool story bro.
edit: sorry, it was claimed that he had sex from something like 11 PM until 3PM the next day. So basically something like a 1 man having sex with 8 women for 15-17 hours lol....
I did some private parties for a while before I 'made it out' onto the big stage. That was 10 years ago, so maybe things have changed, and I wasn't really aggressive about it, but, no way, not going to happen except in extreme ghetto party situations. Then again, I like my dick, and I prefer to keep it disease-free, so my choices may be different.
The stripper knows this. He/she goes to a bachelor/ette part knowing that possible state of their guest. Strippers are also forbidden from taking part in an drugs or alcohol so it's likely he was taking advantage of emotionally distressed or impaired woman.
Yeah, and the innocent womyn who called him in - A STRIPPER - just fell from heaven day before the party. They were /are /will be fucking naive victims.
Which stems from the common notion that women don't enjoy sex and therefore never initiate sex (no agency). Such as, the only time women have sex is because the man made it happen, so all fault and blame is his.
Some women will sometimes create a free pass at reckless and blameless promiscuity yet will quickly slut shame one of their own. That's the double standard on themselves.
If a girl is going to cheat, it's her decision, her problem, her consequences... I'm just getting my dick wet... If I turn her down out of some misplaced morality or bro code, she'll find someone else and still do it... The only one hurt by my decisions is me. If your girl cheats, worry about your problem before wiring about mine.
As long as you wrap that shit up before putting it into the whore's mouth or vagina. But besides that, you are totally right. And I like fucking girls in relationships, just to expose blatantly the kind of person that they are. And afterwards, I explain that to them. It's funny how many girls will cry, after they just fucked basically a stranger while having a boyfriend or husband (lol I tell them nobody would ever find out beforehand). Pretty pathetic and hypocritical. If I can find out who the guy is I FB or email them and let them know too, which I think is the only moral thing to do. At the least, you saved him from a whore, which is a good thing.
I wouldn't be mad anyone for fucking someone that has nothing to do with me. I wouldn't hate on the hooker, and the man certainly takes the lions share of the blame; but I wouldn't pretend it's completely moral either.
I feel you on this. My opinion is if you go into another man's house where his kids sleep and fuck his wife, be prepared for a possible reprisal.
It may not always happen... but it might happen.
I totally think it's an act of disrespect. A man's house is his castle. You have to have some serious brass to think you can disrespect a man in his own home. You have to believe that the dude is a pussy and won't do anything even though you are taking a shit on his life.
Remember, it always takes two. Both parties have agency. When it comes to marriage and children, you're not just being the vehicle on which a whore drives over a dude and his children's lives. You are making an active decision to help fuck up the situation.
You can be the most redpill terminator imaginable, but you'll never be able to control your wife. Control is an illusion. Can you dramatically reduce your risk? Absolutely. However, you can never completely reduce your risk to zero. Sometimes bitches be crazy - as is their nature - and shit is going to happen. The true measure is how you react to life's difficulties.
My peeps put quite a bit of stock in respect and believe in something called a vendetta. Capice?
You can't always believe that the cheating whore is married to some slump shouldered beta pussy. Reality is that in every instance the man feels rage - and sometimes that rage is acted upon.
It's just prudent decision making to avoid a crazy bitch's drama. If you got real redpill skills you can reject a married woman without it making a dent in the volume of ass you collect. Be selective by all means. If you got your head in a proper self-actualizing place, a drama-filled, cheating wife is going turn you off. Even the ones who are spectacularly hot, once you slide in close and start to get earful and an eyeful of the bullshit they're running, you'll begin to develop a distaste for it - probably in a hurry. If you got your head on right - you'll start to think WTF am I doing with this fucking bitch? You'll see the drama and the damage she wrecking, you're brain will start sending you images of the potential bullshit you can get rolled up in. If you stick around for more than just a minute, at best it's to hit it, quit it and lose a bitch's number.
There's a reason why people choose to be moral. There's a definite self-preserving element to it. You keep yourself above the fray. If you are truly alpha stock, then you don't need to pick through another man's garbage. You pick from the prime stock. It's always better to be the alpha fux than the beta bux, absolutely, but there's always some kind of context to be mindful of. You can have a very fulfilling, awesome sex life while keeping your side of the street clean. You don't have to toxify your soul by being party to some scheming bitch's nefarious doings.
"Some bachelorette parties aren't virtuous at all. In fact, it's best to keep some a secret, especially the ones that involve me doing something amoral to one of the girls. I know that I'd hate to be the boyfriend, fiance, or husband of some of these girls. I'm not proud of these moments, but that doesn't mean I won't tell.
I had my second threesome at a bachelorette party in the summer of 2004. A blond girl hired me for her best friend who was the bachelorette. The blonde was engaged. The bachelorette was getting married in a few days. The party took place in a house in the country. I had a threesome with both girls.
It wasn't planned.
There were only six girls at this party, including the blonde and bachelorette. All of them ranged from pretty to beautiful.
Everyone drank a lot, beyond tipsy. I drank a bit too, but was only buzzed. I needed a drink this night especially, because these girls were wild. They already ripped my thong off. They took baby oil and lathered my whole body with it.
Then, the night became surreal.
One girl asked if she could rub my cock with the baby oil. I told her that she could. The next thing I knew, every girl there was taking turns massaging my cock in baby oil. I felt so detached at that moment that it was a miracle that I stayed hard. I felt like I was watching a movie rather than participating in it.
As I was dancing naked in front of the bachelorette, she grabbed my cock and gently pulled me closer. "This may be the alcohol talking," she said, "but I wanna fuck you."
I didn't reply, just stared.
Her friends interrupted the silence, saying that they wanted a turn. I went over to the blonde who hired me. She wore a pair of very short jeans shorts. I laid her spread-eagle on the couch, my hands grasping her ankles. She didn't have long legs, but they were tanned and firm. I rubbed my hard cock against her crotch.
"Mmmm, you're such a tease," the blonde moaned.
I continued thrusting.
"Stop teasing me..."
"Why?"
"Because you're not going to do me," she said.
I stopped, excited, hoping. "You want me to do you?"
The blonde paused. "Yes..."
She said this in front of the other girls. Everyone was quiet, listening, until the bachelorette interrupted, "I wanna join!"
The blonde and I looked at the bachelorette. "Okay," I said. "Let's do this. Got a bed we can use?"
"Are you serious?" the bachelorette asked.
"Sure," I said. Then, I asked the blonde, "You wanna do this?"
"Yeah."
So the blonde, bachelorette, and I went into the nearby bedroom. I grabbed my condoms from my clothes on the way. The other four girls waited outside in disbelief.
The blonde and bachelorette focused on me. This threesome wasn't like those in porno movies where the girls act like they're into each other. These girls avoided each other like the plague. This became obvious when the blonde accidentally placed her hand on the bachelorette and started caressing her.
"Um, you're touching me," the bachelorette said to her friend.
"Sorry."
I had about ten minutes of pure enjoyment until I heard a cell phone ring from outside the door. I heard one of the girls answer. Then, she knocked on the door to the bedroom.
The bachelorette stopped sucking my cock and lifted her head. "What?" she said, annoyed.
"Hey, it's your soon-to-be husband," the girl said.
"Oh God," the bachelorette said in an undertone. "Tell him I'm in then bathroom!"
"Okay," the girl replied. She lied to the man on the phone about what the bachelorette was doing. A brief pause. "He said he's on his way here now."
"That motherfucker!" the bachelorette yelled. "Shit! I was beginning to have fun too!"
The blonde swore and got up to get dressed. She told me that her fiance was the bachelor's best man and she didn't want to get caught. I got dressed, because I didn't want to get shot. The other girls helped me gather my belongings. After that, they began cleaning up the house.
Only the blonde followed me out to my car. She asked for my phone number before I left.
When I got home, I realized that in my haste I left over fifty dollars at that party. On top of that, the blonde never called me. I guess she felt guilty about what she did the next day. She was engaged.
Like I said earlier, I wasn't proud of this moment. Looking back, I would've done things different. Yet this is one of those moments that few men ever witness. I'm sure that those men who were involved with those girls never knew about the real story of that bachelorette party."
There's also another story, but I don't post that one.
i think alot of this is staged. its not hard to go to some thrift store and buy a wedding dress and have some whore fucking some black guy for a 'home video'
I agree it can be faked and suspicious of the guy's total count. However, his story matches with ones other posters have brought up. Knew a dude that did this on the side, not a brag type-said it got "freaky" at times. Opened up a little once- solid fact this shit occurs at bachelorette parties. Videos of it, I'm calling most of it staged, I was told main events staged in bedroom, patio even in a bathroom shower stall (stay classy ladies) not many camera phones around. LOL make for a great intro for their "timeless" wedding video.
Only loser dorks get trapped in a relationship "of equals" (translation: she's in control). If she does much more than pout when you nix her bachelorette party, then shew wasn't marriage material - at least not with you.
And how many times have husbands said that after they got married the wife never gave him another BJ again.
But I guess the bachelorettes were drunk so it's excusable.
I beat that if these women catch their man jacking off to Internet porn they will lose their mind.
If your future wife ever asks you: "may I go to a bachelorette party?", answer her: "of course, you may go, you don't have to ask for my permission to go, you have to ask for my permission to come back to me afterward; so, if you go, don't bother to come back afterward".
Understand what a woman is and trust a woman to be a woman; to do everything in her own best interest (what makes her feel good) and to betray you to get that, whether she has to or merely because she wants to.
Now all the institutions in place meant to curb women's immoral behaviours have gone (patriarchal head of house fathers, strict abidance to religion etc) they've gone feral.
In my experience i notice that women do not go all out in front of others often, maybe a close friend or two but women would rather do the deed then tell the story so that they control the outlet of information about the act to obscure the facts and avoid any immediate direct shame because being known for something like sleeping with your stripper before your marriage which doesn't bring them any benefit in their social circle. it's "their little secret" that they are doing these things.
This is why i have hard time believing these stories. I call troll but that's my opinion. I'd love to see more solid proof versus a claim on the internet by "some dude"
Also, immoral behaviors? are we resorting to slut shaming/hating now? I prefer to call it instinctual behavior because that's how trp views it. women's instincts are not something you can shape or control, it's something you need to prepare for, anticipate, and react too.
Equality as an absolute is an idealism, not a reality.
And I would argue most profusely that its not entirely a positive idea, not all people desire it.
Generally, if you read between the lines, the weaker/less powerful desire equality as it allows them to elevate their position, whilst the strongest/most powerful do not want to give up that power/equality. One measure of equality you can guarantee is most people will do what is in their best interest, however, how they go about that varies vastly (morality.)
In a species that has been plagued by war and a thirst for dominance since the beginning of time, a species which even now is at war in various parts of the world, it is naive to believe equality is achievable.
To obtain some modicum of equality, we'd have to either reduce a lot of people's power/capability to the lowest common denominator, or, spend trillions on elevating the earth's least useful people and elevating them up in power/capability. Even then, some will have hard genetic limits which do not allow them to actualise to an extent of capability that others can achieve. Others are too old to catch up on what they missed out on. This is the problem with equality, you can have some form of equality in one area, but achieving it IN ALL AREAS is damn near impossible.
Aging in and of itself is a form of inequality, the old can never be as healthy as the young, even if it's the appearance of skin. Some people are born attractive, others ugly. I could go on, but you get the jist.
And the entirety of civilization hinged on agriculture. We are, as a species, just puppets in the grass takeover of trees. Something as simple as a slice of toast warms our cockles. We do all bidding for the grass.
And that's not even that far of a leap. Nor is it original.
But we as a species are very arrogant considering what a stranglehold grasses have on us.
I'm quite certain he was embellishing/glorifying his business, but I know from experience women and male strippers are a wild mix.
Years ago at a large pub in England that had just reopened after renovations there were a bunch of bachelorette parties. it wasn't long before a male stripper showed up for the one bachelorette party and they had fun. Then he took the bride to be into a back room for a "private dance" and off they went. What nobody knew was that the back rooms were set up with a new AV system and as they walked back around to the room a projection screen came out of the ceiling on the back wall of the main bar area.
So the whole bar is basically watching the girl in a chair and the guy giving her a fully nude dance. He was only naked for maybe 30 seconds to a minute before she was sucking his dick. The whole bar went nuts and rest of the bachelorette party didn't know what to do, but one of the girls apparently was related to the groom to be and hauled ass for the room. She basically broke down the door and pulled the bachelorette out by her hair and punching her in the head. The whole group spilled out into the street and it was glorious, like our own private episode of Cheaters.
The numbers don't add up. He has fucked all but 4 but he has never fucked ugly fat ones. Therefore he hasn't come across hardly any fat chicks getting married?
Well he has only been doing it got a short while. There are several possible explanations.
Ugly fat chicks may not be getting married as much. They probably don't have as many friends who throw them crazy bachelorrette parties. The friends they do have, if any, are likely to be gross farm animals like themselves who do not run in the slut circles that are aware of top notch strippers. Etc
It makes me quite angry to think about how much of an utter slut the average woman is. It makes you start to understand with the Muslims do what they do.
I got past the anger phase long ago, women will be women. However, it's hard to suppress when I read a story like this. I was leaning on upgrading one of my plates, not anymore.
Those were women of integrity. Though I will take into account that these were the type to hire strippers for their party.
Exactly. I would suggest that the women of integrity didn't have strippers at their bachelorette party to begin with.
Part of integrity is avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. I'm never getting married, but if I did, I would take care not to give the person I love any reason to doubt me. I know that we sometimes talk about "dread game" here - that's about knowing you'll break up if she violates your trust, not about making her doubt her your fidelity.
I like how someone replied to you that the bride doesn't hire the strippers. It would never occur to someone to make a statement like that about a man. "Bill fucked that stripper" - yes, but he didn't hire her. "Oh well, in that case"
Your friends will respect whatever you tell them are your values. A good friend of mine is getting married later this month and they didn't have separate parties at all. The whole tradition is kind of antithetical to the idea of marriage, when you think about it.
I think you're adding a few requirements to integrity that unnecessarily complicate the word. Just as some people will be able to do heinous things without sacrificing their integrity, so can other people do real good without having integrity.
Integrity is about having all of the segments of your life puzzled together in a manner which makes you have less gaps in your personality. It's a neutral trait, but most people regard it as a positive one because it justifies your actions more completely. A person with very high levels of integrity is difficult to dissuade from their course as they have a lot of inertia behind their decisions.
I would note that much of TRP encourages Machiavellian and Dark Triad behavior which is inherently dishonest in its purposes. To hold a woman accountable for doing the same is to be jealous of her ability to get away with it better than you or another man or even men as a whole. Instead, be disgusted with the social situation that allowed this to happen: while the people are indeed to blame for their actions, those actions arose because of opportunity within their social context - I.e. bachelor and bachelorette parties tied to marriages.
It would never occur to someone to make a statement like that about a man. "Bill fucked that stripper" - yes, but he didn't hire her. "Oh well, in that case"
This is only taking into consideration that the bride and/or groom actually fucks the stripper which, as the guy said, those two women did not do.
Your friends will respect [...] your values
This is the most important statement. Unfortunately, there are times when that's not always true and thus they end up going against your wishes/values because they want to have a good time despite the cost of your values and possibly, friendship.
I'm sorry does this somehow absolve her from taking responsibility for being a slut? If she had integrity then it would be made very clear she didn't want strippers at the party. NOT saying this implies consent as we all know strippers are the accepted norm by western society at bachelor and bachelorette parties.
I'm sorry, why does it automatically make her a slut for having strippers at her bachelorette party, whether or not she consented to having them?
Having some eye-candy at a bachelor/ette party does not immediately imply that the person in question is a slut. She may have said she didn't want strippers, but her bridesmaids decided to do it anyway because they're still fucking single!
NOT saying this implies consent
Right, because not saying 'no' to something automatically means it's ok to do it.
EDIT: To clarify on her not wanting it, but it happened anyway because it can go both ways here. Let's turn the tables. If a groom didn't want strippers at his bachelor party, but the guys decide to do it anyway, does this make him have less integrity? Or dick groomsmen?
Yeah actually if my groomsmen went against MY wishes as THE GROOM they would be dick groomsman and like the other poster said "birds of a feather flock together." The bachelor(ette) party isn't for the bride's/groom's single friends, its for THE PERSON getting married.
Not saying I do not want strippers definitely implies consent BECAUSE ITS THE SOCIAL NORM to have strippers at a bachelor(ette) party. If I order a hamburger and don't say hold the ketchup I implied I want it on there as 99% of all places put ketchup on burgers because that is the norm.
No, having strippers at her bachelorette party does not make her a slut but fucking / blowing the stripper sure as hell does.
Maybe I come from a different angle because I never said I DIDN'T want strippers at my bachelor party but it also DIDN'T happen so maybe the social norm is different from place to place. I do believe that not saying 'no' doesn't automatically imply consent though, that can be a double-edged blade depending on the situation.
For the hamburger, that's kind of a bad analogy (comparing consensual strippers to consensual ketchup) but I'll go along with it anyway. It would depend on where you bought it. Most fast-food, socially-accepted and widely-used restraunts put ketchup on the burger if it's not specifically stated you want it or not. But, some places have little sidebars for you to apply your own condiments, they just supply the bun and meat.
And lastly, I absolutely agree with you but we're talking about the two women who didn't fuck/blow the stripper.
EDIT: We are just talking those two, right? Or did I miss some transition where we were including the majority of brides who have strippers?
Yeah I think I figured out what you were saying after I read it again. I do get what you were saying, if it does happen and she doesn't get on board she does have integrity, totally agree.
You not having strippers at your party also goes back to having a peer group with higher moral standards (birds of a feather). I don't know you personally but I'd hazard to guess strippers weren't at yours because A) your friends knew it's not your scene or B) it's no one's scene in your peer group.
My suggestion to you would be to consider presenting the concepts of TRP to your woman-to-be. Honestly, and personally, I see that as the only option for a meaningful, successful LTR. A lot of the talk on TRP is about banging 'em and dropping 'em, or spinning plates, or otherwise. That's not really my game, which is why I've put so much thought into this route.
There have been women who have commented on TRP in the past who have talked about it opening their eyes and such. I can't speak to the quality of those women or how it affected their behavior or their world views, but I feel that it is the first step towards being able to trust the woman you're with. Up until that point, it is only about gauging them, getting to know them, and establishing rapport with them such that you can present the pill from a position of trust (that is, her trust in you) and respect. There's just no point in trying to trust a woman who doesn't see the truth behind something like the fact that modern society is currently deeply misandristic. Or who fails to refutes the truth behind the concept of chivalry - that is, it requires a man to give them and a lady to receive them, not some ho bag who goes to the club and grinds all over people.
The point of all this is to eradicate any form of solipsism that may exist in her. Any sense of entitlement she feels simply for being a woman must be shut down. Any notion that she has (or does not have, as the case may be) about not being responsible for her actions or decisions must be piled up and set on fire, right in front of her eyes, where she can watch it burn. When she has reached a point where she can truly view men and women as equals, that is when you can trust her.
As a side note, this is all stuff that should have been done by fathers, whose duty it is to raise a decent human being. So perhaps think of it in that regard - you're doing what her daddy should have done.
People need to realize a lot of women (people) decide on stuff like this by talking to their friends, word of mouth. So they hear from other women beforehand that this dude has a big dick and would fuck them. Women who don't think getting fucked by a random dude sounds like what they want to do when they want to settle down (or are settled down already, seeing as they're fucking engaged) probably look elsewhere.
I think this guy who replied makes a good point. On a side note, I did fuck the stripper at my bachelor party, given the environment it's a very easy thing to do, especially if the stripper is down for some extra cash. And you better believe there was no way I was going to let my bride-to-be have a male stripper at her party. I had a couple close guy friends attend (I made sure it was a coed bachelorette party for this reason, so I could have a couple of my close friends make sure everything went well) and it was as mild as it could be. The friends were pissed they couldn't come to mine, but hell, that's what buddies do for each other.
fuck no, it was a hot and tight pussy. I was married to that girl for 10 years too. And I barely fucked any other girls during the time (compared to what I would have been doing if I was single).
It was a hot fuck, and a great party. There was nothing to regret. And my guys definitely had their lips shut (they fucked her too and a lot of them were married and with SOs but I got her first). It's different with guys. We can differentiate getting our nuts off versus falling in love with someone after a first kiss or some bullshit. I was just cumming inside of something. No big deal. Women will start to question their relationship the second some guy at a bar gives them a glance by accident.
I've made plenty of mistakes and often just straight up choose to do fucked up, selfish things. I can be an asshole. I probably did most of them because they were the best decision for me and some I regret but many I don't.
Your post though is a pretty great example of the fact that hamstering is not a uniquely feminine action. Your level of integrity and loyalty is exactly the same as any cheating slut that is getting judged in this thread. In other words, nonexistent.
You might be a great guy in many other ways and with many other people. But if your ex-wife ever did cheat on you, you'd be equally shit partners (assuming that she was indeed not alright with you fucking other women). Having a dick doesn't mean you're less capable of making rational decisions or controlling your own body.
It's different with guys. We can differentiate getting our nuts off versus falling in love with someone after a first kiss or some bullshit. I was just cumming inside of something. No big deal. Women will start to question their relationship the second some guy at a bar gives them a glance by accident.
The difference is, I can differentiate between sex and emotion. And she never even found out anyways while we were married so it is a moot point.
Having plates is RP, even if you're married. They all know what''s going on. Fucking around behind your wife's back is BP.
You're an example of someone who is dreaming he's been unplugged. The red pill isn't just about sticking your dick in everything and saying WOMEN R STUIP. HURR DURR.
I really don't know your terminology. Unplugged and shit?
I cheated on my wife, yeah. But I never told her about it. And most of them were escorts, and a real girl here and there. Honestly there is nothing wrong with that, when you are married. Doesn't mean shit.
Could be a troll - but think about some other factors at play here. First, you have the type of women that would hire a male stripper for a bachelorette party. Second, this guy, and the majority of his "clients" may belong to a specific cultural group where this type of thing might be common.
When I was in China there was always this myth of the "yazi" which is a male prostitute, and because in China "there are no gay people" the prostitute only fucks bored housewives, no scratch that, only fucks rich bored housewives. And although everyone I met in China all said this job exists I never met a "yazi" nor did I ever find anyone to hire me. I did on the other hand, fuck a lot of rich bored housewives, but none of them paid me.
Is it really that implausible? If you're a male stripper hired to do a bachelorette party, you've got 90% of the legwork out of the way. You're physically attractive, you're already in the social circle (so to speak), and you're surrounded by women who likely won't keep their hands off you in an environment where, like /u/tsotha said, it's socially ok to be slutty.
I'm thinking the biggest impediments in being a male stripper are finding an "in" and dealing with the potential shame factor (this guy tells his family he's a bartender).
EDIT: added the line about being socially ok to be slutty
I see the problem but the solution is so obvious, just forbid a bachelorette party of any kind explain that you know what goes on at them and bachelor parties are often much more tame. If she complains tell her it will be equal and you wont have a bachelor party and if she still complains tell her the whole thing is off use this line "If I wanted a whore there are plenty cheaper than you."
Nice way to deal with it if you ever plan to get married.
Best way to deal with it is to not get married in the first place. I see the bachelorette party is basically seen by women as a victory party. They've already gotten the man's ultimate level of commitment and are just celebrating their win. A few years down the road she'll be celebrating in court with half your shit.
With 50/50 odds I'd rather go take all my cash and put it on RED at the Roulette table... At least there is an almost 49% chance of doubling my money rather than just a 50% chance of losing it.
I actually just made my fiancee at the time agree to have a coed bachelorette party so a couple of my close guy friends could attend and make sure everything was straight (and for sure there would be no stripper). That solution was a pretty good middle-ground for everyone because fucked if I was going to cancel my bachelor party (it was awesome).
Yeah, it actually worked out pretty well. Just make sure they are very good friends you can count on. They were pissed in the end that they couldn't come to the bachelor party, like I said, but a week later I brought them to a strip club and actually got them sucked and fucked by some really hot Eastern Euro girls, on my dime, so it worked out well for everyone in the end.
Same man, I know others have commented the same, but I have to get it out, it makes me sick to my stomach :( How people cheat is beyond me, but what makes this worse is the fact its by a fucking Bride to be probably the night before her wedding, and she'll go through her whole marriage not telling her husband, don't get me wrong, the stripper is just as wrong for letting them do it, but how can your Bride to be, the woman you love and wish to spend the rest of your life with just do something like this, it's disgusting. All of my relationships thus far have been with manipulative women and did things like this on a much minor scale, but no matter what the act is the result is the same. It's sickening, the worst part is that I'm only 18 with the rest of my life ahead of me, but its things like this which make me never want to fall in love again. Fuck sake.
When you start living for yourself you will find that peace and contentment you thought you were getting from a woman comes from within yourself and any woman that comes along will be icing on the cake which is your happy content life.
Absolutely. The thing to be learned from this is if you are dating the type of woman that thinks this would be a good idea then there is a good chance she will also think its a good idea to suck every alpha cock she can get her grubby little paws on.
God exactly. As a male or female, if you are a high sexual energy person then that just doesn't git turned off permanently with a couple of wedding vowels. Some people shouldn't get married for the long haul and marriage laws and norms (and subsequent divorce laws) should stop being this long haul tradition from the 1800's.
I personally know two uber-sluts that dislike one another because they each think the other is a slut. Their cognitive dissonance (hamstering) is truly fascinating.
No, those who suck dick or even fuck are usually lesser know porn actress or porn actress wannabe. And the others who just stand in the back are extras.
My friend has identified several actresses who made other professional porn in the dancing bear videos. They are not well known and they don't make a lot of mainstream video, so it is not easy to recognise them.
Yes it's different, but what bearing does that have on my comment? I was responding to what kind of Bachelorette party doesn't have stripers... And regardless of bride or groom, the party tends to be lame without stripers...
That's a rule for establishments, and even then, it mostly depends on how the girl feels about you, how restrictive she is, if she's fishing for a payday on something more, etc.
If a stripper comes to your home, she is almost certainly also a hooker. Not always, but it's a pretty safe bet.
That's pretty funny. This thread talks about how women are whores and fuck everything, but this comment says female strippers won't even let men touch them.
You can downvote me if you want, but facts are still facts.
Yeah, I fucked the stripper at my bachelor party. But, I definitely paid the price (cash). To be fair though, if I was a male stripper, I'd be taking BJs all day. Just don't marry that whore. A good idea might be (if you actually let your bride or her friends hire a stripper) to talk with the guy, and pay him double to try something with your girl, and tell you. Then you know to break off the wedding. 300 bucks or whatever in one night is a lot cheaper than 10 years of supporting her and a divorce involving lawyers.
That's just cold of you to justify cheating on someone's spouse. It's immoral no matter what way, shape or form you try to justify. The common man should be entrusted to be moral and think of others outside your job.
Honest reply by the stripper:
I'm not the one cheating dude
If you're so blind as to take away any agency from a woman to be responsible, you're setting yourself up for some serious hurt.
Come on. Easy to say you wouldn't do it when no one's offering to pay you to suck your dick. PAY YOU TO SUCK YOUR DICK. Did you read that? I couldn't even believe I was typing it. 4k a week for that.
Thank god, I was starting to think I was the only person with this opinion, even outside of trp. Golden rule people. If you're going to fuck someone in a relationship, at least let the poor sap know afterwards.
I don't know about this. I was talking in front of friends about a girl I just fucked, knowing the guy she was talking to was there. In a display of fuckboyness, he texts her, "I heard you smashed cocaineonthasonk." Funny enough she text me saying he mad at her now. So long story short, if the other guy is dating a thot, he likely a fuckboy.
You're not wrong but you have to realize he is a stripper, not just any random dude fucking someone else's wife. If he's working for an agency and he refuses sex, his customers could ruin the reputation of the agency and he'd be out of a business. Rape is not stigmatized for women, and therefore, they do it freely and willingly because they believe they are entitled to.
Maybe he enjoyed it? That could very well be a valid reason, but remember this, he most likely did not initiate any of it. You MUST hold the initiator of the crime accountable, and they must take the brunt of it. They usually don't, but it's our responsibility as members of society to direct blame to the right location, otherwise people will get a free pass to say, "Hey, blame him! He's the one who willingly fucked me too!... Even though I pushed myself on to him."
Maybe you didn't read my comment. I completely and utterly hold the woman accountable for her actions. I wish I could have let their soon to-be partners know of their infidelity.
What I meant was it takes two to tango. If you know someone isn't single its a pretty fucked up thing to do regardless. If you see someone drop some money saying "someone else would have taken it" isn't a good excuse to steal it. I'm not a fan of the whole "not my problem" thing. Let other people be dickheads with other dickheads, no need to become one yourself just because "someone else would do it".
As for the business thing - if your job routinely involves sleeping with engaged women then you need to question what business you're in.
It depends on your morals and ethics. I hold no obligations to another man, unless that man is my friend. In that sense, you would consider me a fucked up person. I am okay with that. I've had friends throw their friends under a bus for a girl, and that is where I draw the line.
The analogy with the money is incomparable because the person in the example dropped the money. The money doesn't fly into another person's pocket and sit there waiting to be used. The money has no agency to be responsible, it does not have ability to think.
Men do not have a responsibility to the other man and to be honest, it really is fair to say "if she didn't have sex with me, she would have had sex with someone else" but it is certainly not fair to use that as a justification. For me, my only justification is, "She's attractive, and if she's willing, I'll have sex with her." That's it for me.
I am not the one in the relationship. I am not responsible for the well-being of their relationship. Women have all the power in this decision to preserve the relationship, which is why there needs to be a greater focus on the person who has to be responsible. I can't just go force a woman out of her relationship even if I wanted to because it is illegal and it is immoral. I can only proposition a woman for sex. If the woman is in a relationship, it is her responsibility to preserve it because every day she will be faced with the temptation to break it (far more often than a man in a relationship will be).
Likewise, it is the responsibility of men to be responsible in their relationships as well. If they cheat, the onus is entirely upon them as they are the ones in the relationship. This is not a double standard, but rather an understanding of roles and responsibilities.
The stripper though, has not much of a choice. He cant really afford morals being a male hoe; on top of that he seems too stupid to recognize his own moral bankcruptcy.
I agree with what you said at the start. Its all about moral opinions. Do we have a duty to others? Even strangers? In my opinion yes we do. If you're actively taking part in something you know is going to hurt someone else, whether you know them or not, is in my opinion a shitty thing to do.
As for the "if I know them" qualifier, what does it matter? Is a stranger less human? Presumably a friend would be more hurt by your action than a stranger, but its still there. Where do you draw the line of "knowing them" in any case? Close friends, acquaintance, sort of know them, mutual friend, neighbour, went to my school etc.. Its an extremely gray area and is arbitrary.
I believe that we have a civic duty to ensure that we do not deny a person their ability to live. As for quality of life... well, you can't always ensure that your actions don't hinder another person's quality of life.
The problem is that you're expecting people to always do the right thing. It's very idealistic. It's just not how it is going to work in this world. We expect the rich to help the poor, but they don't. We expect people not to steal and murder, but they do. We expect people to be good and wholesome citizens, but they aren't.
... but to be honest, it's downright insidious to place these expectations on people. "I expect you to be this way because it is the right thing to do!"
It's not about whether or not a stranger is or is not less human than my friend. I hold myself responsible to maintaining the relationship I have with my friend, and therefore, I would try to avoid situations that complicate that relationship that I value. I don't know strangers and therefore I have no such relationship with them. That is the difference between "knowing" and "not knowing" someone.
Yes its idealistic. I don't expect that everyone would do it. But if I don't stand up for what I believe in, do I really believe it at all? Ultimately its just a moral thing, I'm not asking for it to be illegal. I just find it to be morally corrupt. People are free to have their own moral views and act on them and I wouldn't want to stop them either. My original comment was just my two pence.
There's absolutely no way a soon-to-be married woman would suck off a random stranger on her own accord, he must have drugged her or forced her to do it! Only men cheat and act like scumbags during bachelor parties! /s
The thing that gets me is that if you were in a situation were your bride-to-be was going to have a stripper at a batchelorette party you'd be seen as unreasonable and a prude for objecting to it...marriage not even once, but I gotta say this guy is great advertisement for us.
Yeah, iv'e seen a lot of "TRP truth" on reddit all of the sudden. Specially in r/AdviceAnimals. Are people opening their eyes or are some lurkers around here just using this to get them Internet points? Advertisement is the last thing this sub needs.
This isn't some sooper-sekrit private club anyones welcome as long ans they follow the sidebar rules, what's th point of redpill if we turn away everyone seeking to swallow the damn thing.
I never said turn people away, i said we do not need advertising(specially advertising coming from us). When people truly need help they will always find it. We do not need to start Advertising and promoting our believes because we want to "help". We do not help the fallen get up, we help the fallen get themselves up. all i am saying is that if people really need this, then we will be here.
We do not need to go around giving everybody this information just because we think it's the truth. That will only dilute us. Help yourself, become happy first then you can help others, but if you just try to get everybody here and share watered down information, then this will become a circlejerk. For example, r/Seduction.
We do not need to go around giving everybody this information just because we think it's the truth. That will only dilute us.
Too late for that it happens every time we are mentioned, the only smart response is to maintain vigilance and down-vote/report diluting content, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance a concept that not only works well here but is one of the corner stones of red pill theory.
Believe it. Status=pussy. I'm not even good looking and as a bartender in the nice part of town I constantly get cuties wanting the D. Half of them turn out to be married or in a "committed" relationship.
A good friend of mine is 6'4'' and built like a linebacker. He's handsome, funny, articulate, very smart and is a natural alpha. It wouldn't surprise you if I told you that his girlfriend is a solid 8.5-9.
When I'm with him at the gym or at other activities, I see women go moist over him. It's hilarious.
Am I saying he could fuck 100% of all women? No. But a good 90% purely based on his physique alone, and when he opens his mouth that figure jumps up to 95-98%.
Hahaha it's so true. When I was 19 I did a couple of bachelorette parties.. and the brides to be. It's like they somehow believe this will be their last chance at having a fling that they need to get it out of their system.
There's a porn site called Dancing Bear. Naturally, one would think that all the women are porn extras . . . but, nope, a fair amount appear to be idiots. In all fairness, men do this as well at their bachelor parties. Personally, I find it repulsive and disgusting. It's one thing if you're single. But while you're engaged, and especially, right before your wedding? Come on!
This is probably an embellished story, but bachelor / bachelorette parties do involve a fair amount of cheating. Couple of reflections:
This is less a woman-being-women issue and more a people-being-people issue. Plenty of guys get intimate with strippers during bachelor parties as a last hoorah before marriage. The "last hoorah" phenomenon isn't surprising considering...
...when sex has become radically normalized, the gravity of adultery lessens. This is why it is absolutely essential that you know your partner's history and number, whether it's from her own mouth, her friends, her exes, or some other source. If you've been sleeping with different guys every month for the past five to ten years, why on earth would any intelligent man trust you to remain monogamous for the next forty? You've devalued sex from a meaningful bond between lovers to an enjoyable past time.
This is a tough pill to swallow, but there are certain things a girl can say- even a fiance, even someone you'd die for- that are insurmountable red flags. If she ever mentions an open relationship, even half jokingly, bolt. If she ever mentions a threesome, even a FFM session, bolt. If she ever mentions a bachelorette party involving strippers, even if it's her friends' idea, bolt. Period. Your future children will thank you for raising them with a dependable mother in a stable home. Speaking of...
...a person's close company is indicative of their character. With some exception, if a woman's inner circle is filled with sexual deviants and non-traditionalists, your girl probably shares those same feelings. At the very least, it'll be a damaging influence that could derail your relationship. Friends of questionable ethics is a deal-breaker.
If she ever mentions an open relationship, even half jokingly, bolt.
Depends. If you suspect the open relationship is going to be one sided, as in she's going to be having lovers on the side but you are not, bolt. But it often works just the opposite. It's almost like "dread game" or "pre-selection." The fact that you can get other women, and do, increases her attraction to you.
But generally speaking, if you are interested in a long term, intimate relationship with a woman, and if you're not a slut (sex-positive, kinky, polyamorous, yadda yadda) if she mentions an open relationship - run, do not walk.
Isn't this subreddit about sexual strategy and male self-improvement? Yes, I'm a believer in conservative marriage, in part because it's an effective long-term sexual strategy that contributes to male self-improvement. I'm struggling to see why this isn't relevant.
I may be wrong, but I thought of this forum more as descriptive than prescriptive.
If there is going to be discussion of prescriptions, there are going to be factions, and venturing into idealism will be almost inevitable. I thought this forum was based on the rejection of idealism and instead strictly describing what works and what doesn't. If we're going to describe what works and what doesn't in terms of sexual strategy, I don't think we should bother valuing other men's sexual strategies as merely good or bad, but rather as effective or ineffective. If your desired goal is a monogamous long-term relationship with children, let's discuss what works and what doesn't, but if another man's desired goal is to fuck as many women as possible, or to keep a "gentleman's rotation", again, let's discuss what works and what doesn't. If one man's course of actions is to be a floor mat for a fat feminist, we should only assess his course of action as it relates to his desired goals (his desired goals almost certainly include not being a floor mat for a fat feminist). We can discuss what strategies are healthiest and what science says about male mating strategies and so on, but giving general advice to men to run away from any woman who even hints at threesomes or open relationships isn't right. It leaves more inquiries than answers. First you need to establish why open relationships and threesomes are bad/unhealthy for men, and that's a hell of a thing to establish.
The way to avoid "factions" is to establish claims as conditional. If you want short-term hookups, here are some steps to follow. If you want long-term relationships, here are some steps to follow. Different people search for different types of relations, so it makes sense to offer advice for various partnerships.
In some cases, a "venture into idealism" is healthy. If someone here questions the merits of bed-hopping or marriage (both happen not too infrequently), clearing up misconceptions and providing arguments can be helpful.
Ironhigh 11y ago
You spend a quarter of your life studying, then work on a full time job for years, while these top tier stripper guys make twice as much as you, working half of the time, and they're literally getting their dicks sucked by your wives.
netwalker11 11y ago
We may be awake after taking the red pill, but these motherfuckers sound like they are bending spoons on the reg.
DarkSayed 11y ago
you want to be a male stripper? Work out.
Most of us feel that's below what our dignity permits.
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Dude, fuck morals, if i ever get the opportunity to strip for a living im taking it, oh you dont "respect" me, well have fun with your 9-5, ill just get groped by women for 4 hours and call it a night.
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-Tyler_Durden- 11y ago
If this is true then it must be either coercion rape or the "lady" was too drunk to consent. /s
BustaHymes 11y ago
You guys have no right to judge or shame her for this! They were consenting adults!
-Liberal Redditor displaying his entire understanding of morality
[deleted] 11y ago
Remember, don't hate the player, hate the game. This dude is doing what works for him and its working very well. Women are sex crazed beings, getting over your attachment to virginity and matrimony and working on making yourself more attractive and less reactive will put you ahead of most people.
BustaHymes 11y ago
This is the problem with TRP: too many of you try to exploit the collapse of the west for your own sexual variety by embracing degeneracy. Your worldview may be accurate, but your attitude is nihilistic and hedonistic.
The player, the game, and the sluts are all degeneracy and should be shunned by a functional society. If the fear of shame were present, those things would still exist in the shadows, but at least your fiancee won't be fucking a stripper at her bachelorette party while her friends cheer her on.
DickTheLionheart 11y ago
^ Great comment right here.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
The other men, the men they cheat with, get to learn women are weak pathological liars from the other perspective. And when those men get up in years and finally decide to settle down, they're stuck with the curse of knowing that.
[deleted] 11y ago
Everyone I know wanted me to find out the hard way because that's the "responsible" thing to do. You guys may have gotten over it but I think I need more time.
tsotha 11y ago
Yeah, well, the rest of us find out too, but we find out the hard way.
watersign 11y ago
ignorance is bliss.
logically_ 11y ago
The last few women I've fucked have lied to their BFs right in front of me via texts and phone calls. It's eye-opening to see how naturally it comes for them.
[deleted] 11y ago
Bingo. The more women you experience, the less this shit surprises you and the more accepting you are of it.
[deleted] 11y ago
The bitter resentment that guys hold on women's past sexual history is usually coming from insecurity. You can't control who fucks who, only yourself. The stripper does not give one fuck what the sexual history of the women he fucks is. That mentality on top of his confidence and self comfort creates an abundance mindset. Even if this guy wasn't a stripper, he would still be getting pussy on the reg.
Instead of exerting energy and wasting time hating on hot women who love AND get stuffed by huge monster cocks and swallowing their cum, you should be focusing on yourself and being happy with your circumstance. Get an abundance mindset. When you start banging women on the regular, this "outrage" feeling that inexperienced guys have is outright pathetic. All of a sudden you're not upset at the horseshit that women pull. Instead, you just accept their antics as part of womenhood. Eventually you don't see them as 'antics', you realize it as women.
There is nothing that a woman could do that would surprise this stripper. Nothing. Get on this guys level fellas.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
I'm seeing this as added motivation when I hit the gym now. You mean I can get paid (pretty damn nicely I might add) to let some horny chick and her friends be hoes around me?
[deleted] 11y ago
This guy is already doing it. Nothing is impossible.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
That guy also has an 8" cock.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
OK, so I've already got him beat in one area.
[deleted] 11y ago
The bitter chode guys that don't get laid and are jealous have two options.
Stay bitter and get addicted to being outraged every time they identify a girl that fucks multiple cool guys in their prime. And then die.
Both suck, but one doesn't suck if you stay with it long enough. Stop being a bitter faggot and infecting everyone around you. You are going to die anyways.
duckducklandwhale 11y ago
Wow at all the easily suckered people
[deleted] 11y ago
It's believable but bachelorette parties are pretty low class to begin with. If your bride is low class you should know and I have no sympathy for you. My wife refused to even have such a party...she's not perfect but this is one of many qualities you need in LTR material.
Morbidius 11y ago
Isnt that the point of bachelor parties in the first place? I dont think anyone having one of those will be a good wife/husband.
2comment 11y ago
Unfortunately, bachelor parties have gone from taboo to full gender equality and society has made both acceptable and even expected in some circles.
A lot of manosphere (and conventional) thinking is that you have to look at her family. That's true. But I think kids grow up in 2 basic stages. Birth-Puberty where their parents are the biggest influence. And Puberty-Adult where their friends/classmates are the biggest influence. So you have to look at her friends too. There's a certain hypergamy there too in both sexes and if she's only befriending sluts, well that says something about her.
Still, I've been at enough bachelor parties where I know the guy isn't going to do anything and his buddies will razz him and they take part in all the fun. Doesn't always go that way, but the majority. But get a bunch of women together, I don't care if she's a unicorn, the female brain somehow goes into overdrive and they don't have quite the resistance to group pressure and the inner slut comes out.
So, if anyone marries, remember you marry her local culture too. She comes from a slutty local culture, well guess what she sees as the norm? If you marry conservative Amish (a bit extreme), there's not going to be bachelorette parties. Marry a typical western girl? Not even once.
Anyway, now that I read the thread, I take it as a troll thread because of this later comment of his:
Yeah, that didn't happen. That's a porn script.
Redpillc0re 11y ago
Maybe exaggerated but certainly could happen. You forget how sexual women are, now imagine them all in the mood, believing that "what happens that night is never going to be talked about". It's basically their excuse to slut it up like there's no tomorrow. It's not something they do every day, but these short bursts are explosive. So yes, it happens a lot more often than you think.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Eh, I don't know...methinks if this were a troll that kind of story would have happened more than once.
Invalidity 11y ago
There's a huge stigma too for men in bachelor parties. If you make a move on the stripper and she doesn't agree (either because she's not attracted to you and/or she did not agree to provide those services), she'll cry rape. A male stripper at a bachelorette party? Assuming the bride-to-be isn't fucking hideous, why the hell would he care if his dick was getting sucked if the women are offering it freely? There's no way the guy will or can cry rape.
netwalker11 11y ago
Actually he could. Rape isn't reserved for females. An un-welcomed/unauthorized touch would be considered sexual assault. Also, oral rape.
[deleted] 11y ago
I just read the whole story. Someone here should file that under /r/thatHappened for easy points. I see he also posted it back in December under an account name that exaggerates his dick size in his user name (he shows it off) and a fit but unimpressive body for a stripper.
2comment 11y ago
This story is two months old and I looked and it was already submitted there. Just search that subreddit for stripper and you'll get the thread.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Give a bitch an inch of power and freedom, she'll run with it and take the whole fucking mile.
No sense of self-control. No accountability. Shit, with some of them, not even guilt.
Funny how guilt only applies in retrospect to so many of these broads, and "beforehand" it is completely absent from the decision making process. So emotional, so transient.
Redpillc0re 11y ago
Without strong male guidance (from either family or partner), women are incapable of considering the consequences of their actions.
jabberwockysuperfly 11y ago
Or in different words,
give them an inch, and they think they're a ruler.
no_face 11y ago
I've been giving them 6.5 inches. Don't know what I should do now.
dvrzero 11y ago
Tell them you're the median wavelength of cellphone broadcasts. In the pants. There's a twitter feed she really needs to see.
Invalidity 11y ago
Guys can cheat and still be good husbands, so long as their primary responsibilities are to the family. Women cheating is a bigger issue because when women have sex, they release the hormone oxytocin which usually creates a bond between them and their partner.
Guys are out to satisfy their primal instincts. In most cases, they aren't looking for a new partner. Women when they have sex are generally looking for a better mate.
Women can be in long-term friends with benefits relationships and usually do so because they want to reserve a desirable sexual partner and to have a provider on the side.
dvrzero 11y ago
Its a good thing that a literal minute long hug, once or twice a day is enough to keep oxytocin flowing in Pavlovian response to you.
Its a weird thing. Evolution. The male can exert euphoria onto the female, at will.
Not only that, but a stoic, silent hug, 30-90 seconds in length, conveys everything essential to the female. And includes a drug roughly as strong as an ms contin tablet.
netwalker11 11y ago
Thank you for this.
rokr1292 11y ago
While your post makes perfect sense, all I heard in my head is kelso talking to Jackie about how women cheating is worse on that 70's show
[deleted] 11y ago
It is worse. Men pay for their own shit.
DAEHateRatheism 11y ago
This is like male hamstering.
Invalidity 11y ago
Yeah I suppose understanding biological differences in male and female humans is hamstering.
Purpledrank 11y ago
Someone give this guy a peace prize in molecular biology, he knows his shit!
ss4james_ 11y ago
Guys should only cheat if their wife can't satisfy that primal need. If you're going out for strange and leaving your reasonably attractive wife home alone, you're an asshole and the relationship is flawed. That's just begging to have your wife cheat on you.
87GNX 11y ago
Alas, this is the downside of 45k subscribers.
Invalidity 11y ago
Guys shouldn't cheat for any reason. A guy needs to be confident enough to tell a woman that he has urges. If the guy can't get his needs met, he needs to leave the arrangement. Unfortunately, this is very difficult to do in a marriage because of history and because of the financial consequences of a divorce.
Most guys with very high sex drives tend to go out for other women for variety. Look up Coolidge effect: men AND women get tired of having sex with the same person over and over, although men being primal are able to enjoy sex with their current partner for a longer period of time than their female partners.
The majority of cheating done by wives and girlfriends is not because their male partners are "assholes". In fact, from personal observation and from anecdotes, assholes are generally able to keep their partners sexually loyal as it instills a sense of dread in them (ie. if I don't do my best, he's going to leave me).
Men that dote on their wives/girlfriends instill no fear whatsoever. Women will step on a man if he gives them any leeway.
ss4james_ 11y ago
Yeah, better to not get married in the first place. For me personally, that alone would kill my dread game because my SO knows me as a man of my word.
Invalidity 11y ago
Marriage is a gamble. Men get married to a woman because they feel like it is the socially expected thing to do or because they feel that if they don't, a woman will leave them for another man who will. If she leaves, then fuck it. You can be in a committed relationship and have children without having to get married. The only real benefits from a marriage are tax breaks, which are offset by risks from divorce.
Kind of like insurance companies selling life insurance: they receive constant payments and benefit up until the point the insuree kicks the bucket.
TheScout201 11y ago
Or maybe both of you could stick to your vows and not cheat on each other?
ss4james_ 11y ago
Should just divorce.
TheScout201 11y ago
For what reason? Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who are married and are perfectly happy with being married and are perfectly happy with their lives.
ss4james_ 11y ago
If you feel the need to cheat and your spouse isn't willing, it's time for a divorce, or to cheat, or just don't get married in the first place.
TheScout201 11y ago
I agree that if it's not working that you should get a divorce. But in my opinion, I think that cheating should never even be considered and is just about the worst thing you could put your spouse through.
If your wife is not "satisfying your primal need" maybe you need to talk to her or get a psychiatrist for both of you. If she refuses to have sex with you it may mean that she is just doing it on the side, in which case a divorce would make sense.
ss4james_ 11y ago
I guess? I'm just spitting whatever. In real life I share my home with my spouse of 8 years and we even have a child together, but we're never getting married.
Purpledrank 11y ago
This sounds very similar to another story on /r/thathappened. In that story, the male stripper fucked all but 1 girl and they had sex from 11 PM until 4 AM in the morning. Cool story bro.
edit: sorry, it was claimed that he had sex from something like 11 PM until 3PM the next day. So basically something like a 1 man having sex with 8 women for 15-17 hours lol....
Evileddie13 11y ago
When I when in the national guarda guy in my platoon used to strip and pretty much confirm everything this guy has said.
tsotha 11y ago
Yeah, I know a guy who had similar stories too. Get a bunch of women together and make it socially okay for them to be slutty and they will be slutty.
The only part of the story that doesn't square is when he says he never fucked anyone he thought was unattractive.
colovick 11y ago
Selection bias in his clientele... Or he has no standards (doubtful).
Chippendork 11y ago
I did some private parties for a while before I 'made it out' onto the big stage. That was 10 years ago, so maybe things have changed, and I wasn't really aggressive about it, but, no way, not going to happen except in extreme ghetto party situations. Then again, I like my dick, and I prefer to keep it disease-free, so my choices may be different.
bama79rolltide 11y ago
It's amusing that they try to blame the stripper. Like he said, they touch him.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah, and the innocent womyn who called him in - A STRIPPER - just fell from heaven day before the party. They were /are /will be fucking naive victims.
Guy/gal, what grass you are smoking ?
ss4james_ 11y ago
And then, reverse the gender; "Blame the guy, he touched her."
It's like a double double standard
[deleted] 11y ago
it's just a standard. of blaming men.
Purpledrank 11y ago
Which stems from the common notion that women don't enjoy sex and therefore never initiate sex (no agency). Such as, the only time women have sex is because the man made it happen, so all fault and blame is his.
Some women will sometimes create a free pass at reckless and blameless promiscuity yet will quickly slut shame one of their own. That's the double standard on themselves.
[deleted] 11y ago
nah. the standard of anything is blame the men.
Redpiller456 11y ago
It's just like when some guys will blame the guy who slept with their GF. White knighting at its finest.
iceman58796 11y ago
You can't see anything immoral about fucking another girls chick?
Blake55 11y ago
I don't expect loyalty from a stranger, I would from a partner.
fx-115es 11y ago
You can expect loyalty from a women, but you also should expect from her to be a women.
frazzleddd 11y ago
Strippers are known for their good morals
colovick 11y ago
If a girl is going to cheat, it's her decision, her problem, her consequences... I'm just getting my dick wet... If I turn her down out of some misplaced morality or bro code, she'll find someone else and still do it... The only one hurt by my decisions is me. If your girl cheats, worry about your problem before wiring about mine.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
As long as you wrap that shit up before putting it into the whore's mouth or vagina. But besides that, you are totally right. And I like fucking girls in relationships, just to expose blatantly the kind of person that they are. And afterwards, I explain that to them. It's funny how many girls will cry, after they just fucked basically a stranger while having a boyfriend or husband (lol I tell them nobody would ever find out beforehand). Pretty pathetic and hypocritical. If I can find out who the guy is I FB or email them and let them know too, which I think is the only moral thing to do. At the least, you saved him from a whore, which is a good thing.
[deleted] 11y ago
No.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Hoes gonna hoe.
Would you be mad at a hooker for fucking a married man?
iceman58796 11y ago
I wouldn't be mad anyone for fucking someone that has nothing to do with me. I wouldn't hate on the hooker, and the man certainly takes the lions share of the blame; but I wouldn't pretend it's completely moral either.
trudatness 11y ago
I feel you on this. My opinion is if you go into another man's house where his kids sleep and fuck his wife, be prepared for a possible reprisal.
It may not always happen... but it might happen.
I totally think it's an act of disrespect. A man's house is his castle. You have to have some serious brass to think you can disrespect a man in his own home. You have to believe that the dude is a pussy and won't do anything even though you are taking a shit on his life.
Remember, it always takes two. Both parties have agency. When it comes to marriage and children, you're not just being the vehicle on which a whore drives over a dude and his children's lives. You are making an active decision to help fuck up the situation.
You can be the most redpill terminator imaginable, but you'll never be able to control your wife. Control is an illusion. Can you dramatically reduce your risk? Absolutely. However, you can never completely reduce your risk to zero. Sometimes bitches be crazy - as is their nature - and shit is going to happen. The true measure is how you react to life's difficulties.
My peeps put quite a bit of stock in respect and believe in something called a vendetta. Capice?
You can't always believe that the cheating whore is married to some slump shouldered beta pussy. Reality is that in every instance the man feels rage - and sometimes that rage is acted upon.
It's just prudent decision making to avoid a crazy bitch's drama. If you got real redpill skills you can reject a married woman without it making a dent in the volume of ass you collect. Be selective by all means. If you got your head in a proper self-actualizing place, a drama-filled, cheating wife is going turn you off. Even the ones who are spectacularly hot, once you slide in close and start to get earful and an eyeful of the bullshit they're running, you'll begin to develop a distaste for it - probably in a hurry. If you got your head on right - you'll start to think WTF am I doing with this fucking bitch? You'll see the drama and the damage she wrecking, you're brain will start sending you images of the potential bullshit you can get rolled up in. If you stick around for more than just a minute, at best it's to hit it, quit it and lose a bitch's number.
There's a reason why people choose to be moral. There's a definite self-preserving element to it. You keep yourself above the fray. If you are truly alpha stock, then you don't need to pick through another man's garbage. You pick from the prime stock. It's always better to be the alpha fux than the beta bux, absolutely, but there's always some kind of context to be mindful of. You can have a very fulfilling, awesome sex life while keeping your side of the street clean. You don't have to toxify your soul by being party to some scheming bitch's nefarious doings.
AlmostRP 11y ago
It has nothing to do with your sense of morality.
AuctionSniper 11y ago
This is just depressing. Literally turns my stomach.
And considering the type of person I am, that's saying something.
[deleted] 11y ago
Wow, how are you still alive?
Purpledrank 11y ago
It was posted 5 hours ago, how do you know he isn't dead already yet??
cookiecutterbullshit 11y ago
That's "literally" in the figurative sense... dummy
[deleted] 11y ago
"Literally" in the figurative sense would be "figuratively"...dummy.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Hoes going to hoe.
Most life experiences clearly demonstrate that an overwhelmingly majority of women are untrustworthy if you expect monogamy.
[deleted] 11y ago
then why should I support one?
Malachhamavet 11y ago
This is true of nearly all people. Most of us are fucked up regardless of how you want to dress it up.
cookiecutterbullshit 11y ago
It WASN'T always like this.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
This is the "entitlement" age.
AuctionSniper 11y ago
Interesting, but fucked up, read:
"Some bachelorette parties aren't virtuous at all. In fact, it's best to keep some a secret, especially the ones that involve me doing something amoral to one of the girls. I know that I'd hate to be the boyfriend, fiance, or husband of some of these girls. I'm not proud of these moments, but that doesn't mean I won't tell.
I had my second threesome at a bachelorette party in the summer of 2004. A blond girl hired me for her best friend who was the bachelorette. The blonde was engaged. The bachelorette was getting married in a few days. The party took place in a house in the country. I had a threesome with both girls.
It wasn't planned.
There were only six girls at this party, including the blonde and bachelorette. All of them ranged from pretty to beautiful.
Everyone drank a lot, beyond tipsy. I drank a bit too, but was only buzzed. I needed a drink this night especially, because these girls were wild. They already ripped my thong off. They took baby oil and lathered my whole body with it.
Then, the night became surreal.
One girl asked if she could rub my cock with the baby oil. I told her that she could. The next thing I knew, every girl there was taking turns massaging my cock in baby oil. I felt so detached at that moment that it was a miracle that I stayed hard. I felt like I was watching a movie rather than participating in it.
As I was dancing naked in front of the bachelorette, she grabbed my cock and gently pulled me closer. "This may be the alcohol talking," she said, "but I wanna fuck you."
I didn't reply, just stared.
Her friends interrupted the silence, saying that they wanted a turn. I went over to the blonde who hired me. She wore a pair of very short jeans shorts. I laid her spread-eagle on the couch, my hands grasping her ankles. She didn't have long legs, but they were tanned and firm. I rubbed my hard cock against her crotch.
"Mmmm, you're such a tease," the blonde moaned.
I continued thrusting.
"Stop teasing me..."
"Why?"
"Because you're not going to do me," she said.
I stopped, excited, hoping. "You want me to do you?"
The blonde paused. "Yes..."
She said this in front of the other girls. Everyone was quiet, listening, until the bachelorette interrupted, "I wanna join!"
The blonde and I looked at the bachelorette. "Okay," I said. "Let's do this. Got a bed we can use?"
"Are you serious?" the bachelorette asked.
"Sure," I said. Then, I asked the blonde, "You wanna do this?"
"Yeah."
So the blonde, bachelorette, and I went into the nearby bedroom. I grabbed my condoms from my clothes on the way. The other four girls waited outside in disbelief.
The blonde and bachelorette focused on me. This threesome wasn't like those in porno movies where the girls act like they're into each other. These girls avoided each other like the plague. This became obvious when the blonde accidentally placed her hand on the bachelorette and started caressing her.
"Um, you're touching me," the bachelorette said to her friend.
"Sorry."
I had about ten minutes of pure enjoyment until I heard a cell phone ring from outside the door. I heard one of the girls answer. Then, she knocked on the door to the bedroom.
The bachelorette stopped sucking my cock and lifted her head. "What?" she said, annoyed.
"Hey, it's your soon-to-be husband," the girl said.
"Oh God," the bachelorette said in an undertone. "Tell him I'm in then bathroom!"
"Okay," the girl replied. She lied to the man on the phone about what the bachelorette was doing. A brief pause. "He said he's on his way here now."
"That motherfucker!" the bachelorette yelled. "Shit! I was beginning to have fun too!"
The blonde swore and got up to get dressed. She told me that her fiance was the bachelor's best man and she didn't want to get caught. I got dressed, because I didn't want to get shot. The other girls helped me gather my belongings. After that, they began cleaning up the house.
Only the blonde followed me out to my car. She asked for my phone number before I left.
When I got home, I realized that in my haste I left over fifty dollars at that party. On top of that, the blonde never called me. I guess she felt guilty about what she did the next day. She was engaged.
Like I said earlier, I wasn't proud of this moment. Looking back, I would've done things different. Yet this is one of those moments that few men ever witness. I'm sure that those men who were involved with those girls never knew about the real story of that bachelorette party."
There's also another story, but I don't post that one.
infapwetrust 11y ago
Or a dancing bear
ProfessorD2 11y ago
Sounds like a Dear Penthouse.
[deleted] 11y ago
Congrats on the front page
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
There are videos on every porn tube-like website that shows male strippers getting serviced by the brides.
Not BS videos either, legit cell phone/amatuer camcorder shit.
Sickening if you're the husband to be.
[deleted] 11y ago
Most of that shit is fake. Porn studios have access to cell phones and camcorders like anyone else.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Most of the actual porn (fucking) is. The ones with the girl kissing the head or taking it in the mouth with a towel around them both isn't.
I've heard this shit happens from a male stripper I went to high school with. Lucky him I guess.
AuctionSniper 11y ago
...link?
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
I'm at work. I've seen them on xhamster, xvideos, redtube. Just search for "bacholette party" and you'll see shit you'll remember forever.
watersign 11y ago
i think alot of this is staged. its not hard to go to some thrift store and buy a wedding dress and have some whore fucking some black guy for a 'home video'
AlmostRP 11y ago
And I don't know many women wearing wedding dresses to there bachelorette party
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
They wear the veil usually.
Unconaction 11y ago
I agree it can be faked and suspicious of the guy's total count. However, his story matches with ones other posters have brought up. Knew a dude that did this on the side, not a brag type-said it got "freaky" at times. Opened up a little once- solid fact this shit occurs at bachelorette parties. Videos of it, I'm calling most of it staged, I was told main events staged in bedroom, patio even in a bathroom shower stall (stay classy ladies) not many camera phones around. LOL make for a great intro for their "timeless" wedding video.
watersign 11y ago
oh i believe it alright, just the videos on redtube, xhamster, etc are probly BS
binrobinro 11y ago
I thought this was common knowledge.
[deleted] 11y ago
Not if you're raised like I was.
BustaHymes 11y ago
If it was common knowledge, why would any man allow it? Yeah, I'll just play russian routlette with my marriage, with 5 of 6 chambers loaded.
binrobinro 11y ago
Sure, just tell your fiance' what you will and won't "allow" her to do.
BustaHymes 11y ago
What? You mean like "Disgrace yourself like this, and look for a new man to marry."?
binrobinro 11y ago
That should work.
BustaHymes 11y ago
Only loser dorks get trapped in a relationship "of equals" (translation: she's in control). If she does much more than pout when you nix her bachelorette party, then shew wasn't marriage material - at least not with you.
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Ishamoridin 11y ago
Hardly. If she's the type to do it (i.e. not a unicorn) then she'll do it at some point, it's arguably better if it happens before the vows.
General_Fear 11y ago
And how many times have husbands said that after they got married the wife never gave him another BJ again. But I guess the bachelorettes were drunk so it's excusable.
I beat that if these women catch their man jacking off to Internet porn they will lose their mind.
cooltrip 11y ago
If your future wife ever asks you: "may I go to a bachelorette party?", answer her: "of course, you may go, you don't have to ask for my permission to go, you have to ask for my permission to come back to me afterward; so, if you go, don't bother to come back afterward".
lannisterstark 11y ago
Eh...makes me worried about getting married. If my fiance would fuck someone a few days before getting married...that says a lot.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Understand what a woman is and trust a woman to be a woman; to do everything in her own best interest (what makes her feel good) and to betray you to get that, whether she has to or merely because she wants to.
Now all the institutions in place meant to curb women's immoral behaviours have gone (patriarchal head of house fathers, strict abidance to religion etc) they've gone feral.
gladudontknowme 11y ago
In my experience i notice that women do not go all out in front of others often, maybe a close friend or two but women would rather do the deed then tell the story so that they control the outlet of information about the act to obscure the facts and avoid any immediate direct shame because being known for something like sleeping with your stripper before your marriage which doesn't bring them any benefit in their social circle. it's "their little secret" that they are doing these things.
This is why i have hard time believing these stories. I call troll but that's my opinion. I'd love to see more solid proof versus a claim on the internet by "some dude"
Also, immoral behaviors? are we resorting to slut shaming/hating now? I prefer to call it instinctual behavior because that's how trp views it. women's instincts are not something you can shape or control, it's something you need to prepare for, anticipate, and react too.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
Equality is what nature gave us, everything since has been favoritism.
Edit: Amazed people don't get what I've written here.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Equality as an absolute is an idealism, not a reality.
And I would argue most profusely that its not entirely a positive idea, not all people desire it.
Generally, if you read between the lines, the weaker/less powerful desire equality as it allows them to elevate their position, whilst the strongest/most powerful do not want to give up that power/equality. One measure of equality you can guarantee is most people will do what is in their best interest, however, how they go about that varies vastly (morality.)
In a species that has been plagued by war and a thirst for dominance since the beginning of time, a species which even now is at war in various parts of the world, it is naive to believe equality is achievable.
To obtain some modicum of equality, we'd have to either reduce a lot of people's power/capability to the lowest common denominator, or, spend trillions on elevating the earth's least useful people and elevating them up in power/capability. Even then, some will have hard genetic limits which do not allow them to actualise to an extent of capability that others can achieve. Others are too old to catch up on what they missed out on. This is the problem with equality, you can have some form of equality in one area, but achieving it IN ALL AREAS is damn near impossible.
Aging in and of itself is a form of inequality, the old can never be as healthy as the young, even if it's the appearance of skin. Some people are born attractive, others ugly. I could go on, but you get the jist.
dvrzero 11y ago
And the entirety of civilization hinged on agriculture. We are, as a species, just puppets in the grass takeover of trees. Something as simple as a slice of toast warms our cockles. We do all bidding for the grass.
And that's not even that far of a leap. Nor is it original.
But we as a species are very arrogant considering what a stranglehold grasses have on us.
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safewinter 11y ago
No he can't, but he can help whether he takes part in the ho's ho-ing.
[deleted] 11y ago
If anything provides some quantifiable truth to the "alpha fucks/beta fucks" theory this sure as hell does.
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[deleted] 11y ago
If you have a sister make sure she's invited to the bachelorette party.
DarkSayed 11y ago
Neither of my sisters would ever demean themselves by going to a place with male strippers.
But then I wouldn't demean myself by marrying a girl who does that.
Betas gonna beta, and they bring their misfortunes upon themselves.
phasetwenty 11y ago
She won't get invited to the real one.
bsutansalt 11y ago
I'm quite certain he was embellishing/glorifying his business, but I know from experience women and male strippers are a wild mix.
Years ago at a large pub in England that had just reopened after renovations there were a bunch of bachelorette parties. it wasn't long before a male stripper showed up for the one bachelorette party and they had fun. Then he took the bride to be into a back room for a "private dance" and off they went. What nobody knew was that the back rooms were set up with a new AV system and as they walked back around to the room a projection screen came out of the ceiling on the back wall of the main bar area.
So the whole bar is basically watching the girl in a chair and the guy giving her a fully nude dance. He was only naked for maybe 30 seconds to a minute before she was sucking his dick. The whole bar went nuts and rest of the bachelorette party didn't know what to do, but one of the girls apparently was related to the groom to be and hauled ass for the room. She basically broke down the door and pulled the bachelorette out by her hair and punching her in the head. The whole group spilled out into the street and it was glorious, like our own private episode of Cheaters.
infernalsatan 11y ago
Wow, the girl who kicked the door is a keeper
cellularresp 11y ago
she only did it because she was related to the groom
insickness 11y ago
He fucks nearly every bride to be as well. Makes my stomach turn.
bsutansalt 11y ago
He was caught contradicting himself about the frequency of that kind of encounter, not that it really changes anything.
lxdr1f7 11y ago
The numbers don't add up. He has fucked all but 4 but he has never fucked ugly fat ones. Therefore he hasn't come across hardly any fat chicks getting married?
atleastitsnotaids 11y ago
Well he has only been doing it got a short while. There are several possible explanations.
Ugly fat chicks may not be getting married as much. They probably don't have as many friends who throw them crazy bachelorrette parties. The friends they do have, if any, are likely to be gross farm animals like themselves who do not run in the slut circles that are aware of top notch strippers. Etc
noblepaladin 11y ago
He did 5 parties?
rating_ 11y ago
It makes me quite angry to think about how much of an utter slut the average woman is. It makes you start to understand with the Muslims do what they do.
BeornPlush 11y ago
Dehumanizing them (that's how I see sharia) is a lazy, abhorrent excuse for a solution that's beneath civilized men of true value.
I like /u/Gonaherpasyphilaids's pov much more.
Confluenced 11y ago
Me too, TRP is so bitter sometimes.
I got past the anger phase long ago, women will be women. However, it's hard to suppress when I read a story like this. I was leaning on upgrading one of my plates, not anymore.
Mightyskunk 11y ago
Just look at that plate's friends to see what kind of bachelorette she'd be.
ytismylife 11y ago
There are exceptions to every rule. Women of integrity are few and far between nowadays but they exist nonetheless.
DarkSayed 11y ago
integrity is a male trait. You hardly find it in women.
phaseonx11 11y ago
Nah. AWALT.
dvrzero 11y ago
Yes integrity! I tip my hat!
Edit: i was being sardonic.
hamstercide 11y ago
[deleted] 11y ago
Not all, just most. I like to think that the two who stripper-ed it up without sex have some integrity. Even if it has it's limits.
cookiecutterbullshit 11y ago
(I know you're being sarcastic)
Ok, but you can't blame us for playing the numbers...
Idle_Redditing 11y ago
Yep, two out of all of the bachelorette parties he's done. Those were women of integrity.
Though I will take into account that these were the type to hire strippers for their party.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
Exactly. I would suggest that the women of integrity didn't have strippers at their bachelorette party to begin with.
Part of integrity is avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. I'm never getting married, but if I did, I would take care not to give the person I love any reason to doubt me. I know that we sometimes talk about "dread game" here - that's about knowing you'll break up if she violates your trust, not about making her doubt her your fidelity.
I like how someone replied to you that the bride doesn't hire the strippers. It would never occur to someone to make a statement like that about a man. "Bill fucked that stripper" - yes, but he didn't hire her. "Oh well, in that case"
Your friends will respect whatever you tell them are your values. A good friend of mine is getting married later this month and they didn't have separate parties at all. The whole tradition is kind of antithetical to the idea of marriage, when you think about it.
[deleted] 11y ago
I think you're adding a few requirements to integrity that unnecessarily complicate the word. Just as some people will be able to do heinous things without sacrificing their integrity, so can other people do real good without having integrity.
Integrity is about having all of the segments of your life puzzled together in a manner which makes you have less gaps in your personality. It's a neutral trait, but most people regard it as a positive one because it justifies your actions more completely. A person with very high levels of integrity is difficult to dissuade from their course as they have a lot of inertia behind their decisions.
I would note that much of TRP encourages Machiavellian and Dark Triad behavior which is inherently dishonest in its purposes. To hold a woman accountable for doing the same is to be jealous of her ability to get away with it better than you or another man or even men as a whole. Instead, be disgusted with the social situation that allowed this to happen: while the people are indeed to blame for their actions, those actions arose because of opportunity within their social context - I.e. bachelor and bachelorette parties tied to marriages.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
This is only taking into consideration that the bride and/or groom actually fucks the stripper which, as the guy said, those two women did not do.
This is the most important statement. Unfortunately, there are times when that's not always true and thus they end up going against your wishes/values because they want to have a good time despite the cost of your values and possibly, friendship.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
Normally, the bride-to-be doesn't have anything to do with the bachelorette party.
It could have very well been her bride's maids who hired the stripper without the bride knowing.
Mightyskunk 11y ago
Yes, and birds of a feather flock together.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
Most certainly, but there's always an ugly duckling (or two) that doesn't fit into the norm hence the ones who kept their integrity.
[deleted] 11y ago
I'm sorry does this somehow absolve her from taking responsibility for being a slut? If she had integrity then it would be made very clear she didn't want strippers at the party. NOT saying this implies consent as we all know strippers are the accepted norm by western society at bachelor and bachelorette parties.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
I'm sorry, why does it automatically make her a slut for having strippers at her bachelorette party, whether or not she consented to having them?
Having some eye-candy at a bachelor/ette party does not immediately imply that the person in question is a slut. She may have said she didn't want strippers, but her bridesmaids decided to do it anyway because they're still fucking single!
Right, because not saying 'no' to something automatically means it's ok to do it.
EDIT: To clarify on her not wanting it, but it happened anyway because it can go both ways here. Let's turn the tables. If a groom didn't want strippers at his bachelor party, but the guys decide to do it anyway, does this make him have less integrity? Or dick groomsmen?
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah actually if my groomsmen went against MY wishes as THE GROOM they would be dick groomsman and like the other poster said "birds of a feather flock together." The bachelor(ette) party isn't for the bride's/groom's single friends, its for THE PERSON getting married.
Not saying I do not want strippers definitely implies consent BECAUSE ITS THE SOCIAL NORM to have strippers at a bachelor(ette) party. If I order a hamburger and don't say hold the ketchup I implied I want it on there as 99% of all places put ketchup on burgers because that is the norm.
No, having strippers at her bachelorette party does not make her a slut but fucking / blowing the stripper sure as hell does.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
Maybe I come from a different angle because I never said I DIDN'T want strippers at my bachelor party but it also DIDN'T happen so maybe the social norm is different from place to place. I do believe that not saying 'no' doesn't automatically imply consent though, that can be a double-edged blade depending on the situation.
For the hamburger, that's kind of a bad analogy (comparing consensual strippers to consensual ketchup) but I'll go along with it anyway. It would depend on where you bought it. Most fast-food, socially-accepted and widely-used restraunts put ketchup on the burger if it's not specifically stated you want it or not. But, some places have little sidebars for you to apply your own condiments, they just supply the bun and meat.
And lastly, I absolutely agree with you but we're talking about the two women who didn't fuck/blow the stripper.
EDIT: We are just talking those two, right? Or did I miss some transition where we were including the majority of brides who have strippers?
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah I think I figured out what you were saying after I read it again. I do get what you were saying, if it does happen and she doesn't get on board she does have integrity, totally agree.
You not having strippers at your party also goes back to having a peer group with higher moral standards (birds of a feather). I don't know you personally but I'd hazard to guess strippers weren't at yours because A) your friends knew it's not your scene or B) it's no one's scene in your peer group.
[deleted] 11y ago
Maybe your girls different? I dont know you know her better
Confluenced 11y ago
I just....I dunno, is it worth it? If this story isn't a troll post, not sure if I can ever 100% trust women. That's what I am battling.
Gonaherpasyphilaids 11y ago
My suggestion to you would be to consider presenting the concepts of TRP to your woman-to-be. Honestly, and personally, I see that as the only option for a meaningful, successful LTR. A lot of the talk on TRP is about banging 'em and dropping 'em, or spinning plates, or otherwise. That's not really my game, which is why I've put so much thought into this route.
There have been women who have commented on TRP in the past who have talked about it opening their eyes and such. I can't speak to the quality of those women or how it affected their behavior or their world views, but I feel that it is the first step towards being able to trust the woman you're with. Up until that point, it is only about gauging them, getting to know them, and establishing rapport with them such that you can present the pill from a position of trust (that is, her trust in you) and respect. There's just no point in trying to trust a woman who doesn't see the truth behind something like the fact that modern society is currently deeply misandristic. Or who fails to refutes the truth behind the concept of chivalry - that is, it requires a man to give them and a lady to receive them, not some ho bag who goes to the club and grinds all over people.
The point of all this is to eradicate any form of solipsism that may exist in her. Any sense of entitlement she feels simply for being a woman must be shut down. Any notion that she has (or does not have, as the case may be) about not being responsible for her actions or decisions must be piled up and set on fire, right in front of her eyes, where she can watch it burn. When she has reached a point where she can truly view men and women as equals, that is when you can trust her.
As a side note, this is all stuff that should have been done by fathers, whose duty it is to raise a decent human being. So perhaps think of it in that regard - you're doing what her daddy should have done.
rporion 11y ago
Thats a tall order.
I dont know what to think about Arash Dibazar, but he has one point where he is spot on.
Most guys that complain about women do not treat themselves better than they are treated by women.
So, they cannot even trust themselves, but they expect women to treat them better?
SadFace959 11y ago
I am not convinced you should trust anyone 100%
dvrzero 11y ago
It's all chemicals in a squishy brain. We have language, but we are still meat.
delleh 11y ago
I think there is a sample bias for women that hire male strippers for their bachelotette in the first place.
Nieben 11y ago
That's actually an extremely relevant and valid point that we should all take into consideration when pondering events such as these.
cookiecutterbullshit 11y ago
Yea, but those women aren't exactly in a minority. That dude is making 200k per year. Bachelorette parties have grown in popularity.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
I think this guy who replied makes a good point. On a side note, I did fuck the stripper at my bachelor party, given the environment it's a very easy thing to do, especially if the stripper is down for some extra cash. And you better believe there was no way I was going to let my bride-to-be have a male stripper at her party. I had a couple close guy friends attend (I made sure it was a coed bachelorette party for this reason, so I could have a couple of my close friends make sure everything went well) and it was as mild as it could be. The friends were pissed they couldn't come to mine, but hell, that's what buddies do for each other.
170612 11y ago
Do you regret fucking her?
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
fuck no, it was a hot and tight pussy. I was married to that girl for 10 years too. And I barely fucked any other girls during the time (compared to what I would have been doing if I was single).
It was a hot fuck, and a great party. There was nothing to regret. And my guys definitely had their lips shut (they fucked her too and a lot of them were married and with SOs but I got her first). It's different with guys. We can differentiate getting our nuts off versus falling in love with someone after a first kiss or some bullshit. I was just cumming inside of something. No big deal. Women will start to question their relationship the second some guy at a bar gives them a glance by accident.
170612 11y ago
I've made plenty of mistakes and often just straight up choose to do fucked up, selfish things. I can be an asshole. I probably did most of them because they were the best decision for me and some I regret but many I don't.
Your post though is a pretty great example of the fact that hamstering is not a uniquely feminine action. Your level of integrity and loyalty is exactly the same as any cheating slut that is getting judged in this thread. In other words, nonexistent.
You might be a great guy in many other ways and with many other people. But if your ex-wife ever did cheat on you, you'd be equally shit partners (assuming that she was indeed not alright with you fucking other women). Having a dick doesn't mean you're less capable of making rational decisions or controlling your own body.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
Yeah, I think you missed this part:
The difference is, I can differentiate between sex and emotion. And she never even found out anyways while we were married so it is a moot point.
Mightyskunk 11y ago
Having plates is RP, even if you're married. They all know what''s going on. Fucking around behind your wife's back is BP.
You're an example of someone who is dreaming he's been unplugged. The red pill isn't just about sticking your dick in everything and saying WOMEN R STUIP. HURR DURR.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
I really don't know your terminology. Unplugged and shit?
I cheated on my wife, yeah. But I never told her about it. And most of them were escorts, and a real girl here and there. Honestly there is nothing wrong with that, when you are married. Doesn't mean shit.
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[deleted] 11y ago
NAWALT alert.
frazzleddd 11y ago
Women are all the fucking same. Get the fuck out with this shit
[deleted] 11y ago
Yea man they are...
2comment 11y ago
Shit goes down but this is guy rings my troll bells. Check my other comment on the thread here.
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bsutansalt 11y ago
Ditto.
[deleted] 11y ago
Could be a troll - but think about some other factors at play here. First, you have the type of women that would hire a male stripper for a bachelorette party. Second, this guy, and the majority of his "clients" may belong to a specific cultural group where this type of thing might be common.
RedBigMan 11y ago
You're right, it sounds too good to be true.
If it was true every dude would be a fucking male stripper and getting BJs and fucks all the time.
bebopdebs 11y ago
thats definitely not true.
[deleted] 11y ago
Not every guy can be one.
[deleted] 11y ago
nor is every man straight.
unhappyuncle 11y ago
When I was in China there was always this myth of the "yazi" which is a male prostitute, and because in China "there are no gay people" the prostitute only fucks bored housewives, no scratch that, only fucks rich bored housewives. And although everyone I met in China all said this job exists I never met a "yazi" nor did I ever find anyone to hire me. I did on the other hand, fuck a lot of rich bored housewives, but none of them paid me.
dvrzero 11y ago
You have to roll a full house to become yazi.
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netwalker11 11y ago
Where my money at?
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Is it really that implausible? If you're a male stripper hired to do a bachelorette party, you've got 90% of the legwork out of the way. You're physically attractive, you're already in the social circle (so to speak), and you're surrounded by women who likely won't keep their hands off you in an environment where, like /u/tsotha said, it's socially ok to be slutty.
I'm thinking the biggest impediments in being a male stripper are finding an "in" and dealing with the potential shame factor (this guy tells his family he's a bartender).
EDIT: added the line about being socially ok to be slutty
colovick 11y ago
I know several male strippers... They say they get laid at almost every party, but rarely by the bride to be...
fall0ut 11y ago
I know one former male stripper and he says the same.
RedBigMan 11y ago
Yeah I'd be inclined to think this way... They get laid at every party but not usually by the one ready to go down the aisle.
In either case it's a good excuse not to get married... Who wants their woman to go to what's basically a slut off competition.
[deleted] 11y ago
I see the problem but the solution is so obvious, just forbid a bachelorette party of any kind explain that you know what goes on at them and bachelor parties are often much more tame. If she complains tell her it will be equal and you wont have a bachelor party and if she still complains tell her the whole thing is off use this line "If I wanted a whore there are plenty cheaper than you."
RedBigMan 11y ago
Nice way to deal with it if you ever plan to get married.
Best way to deal with it is to not get married in the first place. I see the bachelorette party is basically seen by women as a victory party. They've already gotten the man's ultimate level of commitment and are just celebrating their win. A few years down the road she'll be celebrating in court with half your shit.
[deleted] 11y ago
Not all marriages end up in divorce, most not all.
RedBigMan 11y ago
With 50/50 odds I'd rather go take all my cash and put it on RED at the Roulette table... At least there is an almost 49% chance of doubling my money rather than just a 50% chance of losing it.
Kronos6948 11y ago
And you also don't always lose money on a slot machine. Most of the time, but not all the time. Both are a huge gamble with a lot at stake to lose.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
I actually just made my fiancee at the time agree to have a coed bachelorette party so a couple of my close guy friends could attend and make sure everything was straight (and for sure there would be no stripper). That solution was a pretty good middle-ground for everyone because fucked if I was going to cancel my bachelor party (it was awesome).
[deleted] 11y ago
Not a bad idea at all.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
Yeah, it actually worked out pretty well. Just make sure they are very good friends you can count on. They were pissed in the end that they couldn't come to the bachelor party, like I said, but a week later I brought them to a strip club and actually got them sucked and fucked by some really hot Eastern Euro girls, on my dime, so it worked out well for everyone in the end.
AuctionSniper 11y ago
He also said that he "fucked" so many people that he lost count, so Lord knows how people that is.
Bredul 11y ago
That all depends on how high he can actually count.
TaranK 11y ago
Same man, I know others have commented the same, but I have to get it out, it makes me sick to my stomach :( How people cheat is beyond me, but what makes this worse is the fact its by a fucking Bride to be probably the night before her wedding, and she'll go through her whole marriage not telling her husband, don't get me wrong, the stripper is just as wrong for letting them do it, but how can your Bride to be, the woman you love and wish to spend the rest of your life with just do something like this, it's disgusting. All of my relationships thus far have been with manipulative women and did things like this on a much minor scale, but no matter what the act is the result is the same. It's sickening, the worst part is that I'm only 18 with the rest of my life ahead of me, but its things like this which make me never want to fall in love again. Fuck sake.
[deleted] 11y ago
When you start living for yourself you will find that peace and contentment you thought you were getting from a woman comes from within yourself and any woman that comes along will be icing on the cake which is your happy content life.
TaranK 11y ago
Man this sums it up so well, thanks man.
[deleted] 11y ago
My pleasure. Keep reading this sub and learning from these guys. Everything here applies to more than just women.
suscitare 11y ago
Women are truly despicable creatures.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
Only because we allow them to be.
suscitare 11y ago
yep
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
right?
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[deleted] 11y ago
Absolutely. The thing to be learned from this is if you are dating the type of woman that thinks this would be a good idea then there is a good chance she will also think its a good idea to suck every alpha cock she can get her grubby little paws on.
Purpledrank 11y ago
God exactly. As a male or female, if you are a high sexual energy person then that just doesn't git turned off permanently with a couple of wedding vowels. Some people shouldn't get married for the long haul and marriage laws and norms (and subsequent divorce laws) should stop being this long haul tradition from the 1800's.
[deleted] 11y ago
True. But what about the times where the bridesmaids get the stripper without telling her? Bitches be grimy.
[deleted] 11y ago
Friends of a feather flock together.
AnUglyMind 11y ago
Whores are usually friends with other whores, so again it's probably selection bias.
MTNlogistics 11y ago
I personally know two uber-sluts that dislike one another because they each think the other is a slut. Their cognitive dissonance (hamstering) is truly fascinating.
E2DsIE 11y ago
I feel friends are a pretty good indicator of what type of woman you're dealing with.
[deleted] 11y ago
Indeed they are. The older someone gets the more relevant this becomes as well.
[deleted] 11y ago
Birds of a feather flock together.
NobleCeltic 11y ago
It's all relevant.
wazzym 11y ago
Have you seen the "DancingBear" pornos? Just watch them!
infernalsatan 11y ago
Those are fake.
wazzym 11y ago
No they aren't prove it!
wazzym 11y ago
Are u saying they are faking sucking dick?
infernalsatan 11y ago
No, those who suck dick or even fuck are usually lesser know porn actress or porn actress wannabe. And the others who just stand in the back are extras.
My friend has identified several actresses who made other professional porn in the dancing bear videos. They are not well known and they don't make a lot of mainstream video, so it is not easy to recognise them.
tsotha 11y ago
Have you ever heard of a bachelorette party without a stripper?
colovick 11y ago
Yes, the lame kind... Just like bachelor's parties without one
We_Are_Legion 11y ago
Its different. You cannot touch the female strippers.
apotshot 11y ago
uh.... yes you can. Some are down to fuck for cash or even without cash.
colovick 11y ago
Yes it's different, but what bearing does that have on my comment? I was responding to what kind of Bachelorette party doesn't have stripers... And regardless of bride or groom, the party tends to be lame without stripers...
[deleted] 11y ago
That's a rule for establishments, and even then, it mostly depends on how the girl feels about you, how restrictive she is, if she's fishing for a payday on something more, etc.
If a stripper comes to your home, she is almost certainly also a hooker. Not always, but it's a pretty safe bet.
MachiavellianRed 11y ago
Heads up, you've been shadow banned by the Reddit admin.
Raisinbrannan 11y ago
That's pretty funny. This thread talks about how women are whores and fuck everything, but this comment says female strippers won't even let men touch them.
You can downvote me if you want, but facts are still facts.
[deleted] 11y ago
Not until you pay them for it.
HeTakesHisTime 11y ago
Yeah, I fucked the stripper at my bachelor party. But, I definitely paid the price (cash). To be fair though, if I was a male stripper, I'd be taking BJs all day. Just don't marry that whore. A good idea might be (if you actually let your bride or her friends hire a stripper) to talk with the guy, and pay him double to try something with your girl, and tell you. Then you know to break off the wedding. 300 bucks or whatever in one night is a lot cheaper than 10 years of supporting her and a divorce involving lawyers.
MRAfront 11y ago
As long as you make it social acceptable to be a slut.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoI-UD_A1w
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
Another link within the AMA: "The bride-to-be almost always at least tastes me."
The full thread: http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/436593
Invalidity 11y ago
Critical comment by misterchief12345:
Honest reply by the stripper:
If you're so blind as to take away any agency from a woman to be responsible, you're setting yourself up for some serious hurt.
safewinter 11y ago
In my opinion they're both wrong. The woman is a cunt for cheating, and the man is a cunt for knowingly being the one she cheats with.
In before "she'd only do it with someone else". That's not a valid reason. You have a responsibility to not be a shit head.
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
[deleted] 11y ago
Monogamy is wrong. Hate the game, not the player. The stripper can't help if a ho is a ho.
jacobman 11y ago
Thank god, I was starting to think I was the only person with this opinion, even outside of trp. Golden rule people. If you're going to fuck someone in a relationship, at least let the poor sap know afterwards.
CocaineOnThaSink 11y ago
I don't know about this. I was talking in front of friends about a girl I just fucked, knowing the guy she was talking to was there. In a display of fuckboyness, he texts her, "I heard you smashed cocaineonthasonk." Funny enough she text me saying he mad at her now. So long story short, if the other guy is dating a thot, he likely a fuckboy.
Invalidity 11y ago
You're not wrong but you have to realize he is a stripper, not just any random dude fucking someone else's wife. If he's working for an agency and he refuses sex, his customers could ruin the reputation of the agency and he'd be out of a business. Rape is not stigmatized for women, and therefore, they do it freely and willingly because they believe they are entitled to.
Maybe he enjoyed it? That could very well be a valid reason, but remember this, he most likely did not initiate any of it. You MUST hold the initiator of the crime accountable, and they must take the brunt of it. They usually don't, but it's our responsibility as members of society to direct blame to the right location, otherwise people will get a free pass to say, "Hey, blame him! He's the one who willingly fucked me too!... Even though I pushed myself on to him."
safewinter 11y ago
Maybe you didn't read my comment. I completely and utterly hold the woman accountable for her actions. I wish I could have let their soon to-be partners know of their infidelity.
What I meant was it takes two to tango. If you know someone isn't single its a pretty fucked up thing to do regardless. If you see someone drop some money saying "someone else would have taken it" isn't a good excuse to steal it. I'm not a fan of the whole "not my problem" thing. Let other people be dickheads with other dickheads, no need to become one yourself just because "someone else would do it".
As for the business thing - if your job routinely involves sleeping with engaged women then you need to question what business you're in.
Invalidity 11y ago
It depends on your morals and ethics. I hold no obligations to another man, unless that man is my friend. In that sense, you would consider me a fucked up person. I am okay with that. I've had friends throw their friends under a bus for a girl, and that is where I draw the line.
The analogy with the money is incomparable because the person in the example dropped the money. The money doesn't fly into another person's pocket and sit there waiting to be used. The money has no agency to be responsible, it does not have ability to think.
Men do not have a responsibility to the other man and to be honest, it really is fair to say "if she didn't have sex with me, she would have had sex with someone else" but it is certainly not fair to use that as a justification. For me, my only justification is, "She's attractive, and if she's willing, I'll have sex with her." That's it for me.
I am not the one in the relationship. I am not responsible for the well-being of their relationship. Women have all the power in this decision to preserve the relationship, which is why there needs to be a greater focus on the person who has to be responsible. I can't just go force a woman out of her relationship even if I wanted to because it is illegal and it is immoral. I can only proposition a woman for sex. If the woman is in a relationship, it is her responsibility to preserve it because every day she will be faced with the temptation to break it (far more often than a man in a relationship will be).
Likewise, it is the responsibility of men to be responsible in their relationships as well. If they cheat, the onus is entirely upon them as they are the ones in the relationship. This is not a double standard, but rather an understanding of roles and responsibilities.
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BrancoXIII 11y ago
The stripper though, has not much of a choice. He cant really afford morals being a male hoe; on top of that he seems too stupid to recognize his own moral bankcruptcy.
Invalidity 11y ago
Can't disagree with that, it's pretty verbose.
But I am in a discussion with the other person and I will reply as needed.
safewinter 11y ago
I agree with what you said at the start. Its all about moral opinions. Do we have a duty to others? Even strangers? In my opinion yes we do. If you're actively taking part in something you know is going to hurt someone else, whether you know them or not, is in my opinion a shitty thing to do.
As for the "if I know them" qualifier, what does it matter? Is a stranger less human? Presumably a friend would be more hurt by your action than a stranger, but its still there. Where do you draw the line of "knowing them" in any case? Close friends, acquaintance, sort of know them, mutual friend, neighbour, went to my school etc.. Its an extremely gray area and is arbitrary.
Invalidity 11y ago
I believe that we have a civic duty to ensure that we do not deny a person their ability to live. As for quality of life... well, you can't always ensure that your actions don't hinder another person's quality of life.
The problem is that you're expecting people to always do the right thing. It's very idealistic. It's just not how it is going to work in this world. We expect the rich to help the poor, but they don't. We expect people not to steal and murder, but they do. We expect people to be good and wholesome citizens, but they aren't.
... but to be honest, it's downright insidious to place these expectations on people. "I expect you to be this way because it is the right thing to do!"
It's not about whether or not a stranger is or is not less human than my friend. I hold myself responsible to maintaining the relationship I have with my friend, and therefore, I would try to avoid situations that complicate that relationship that I value. I don't know strangers and therefore I have no such relationship with them. That is the difference between "knowing" and "not knowing" someone.
safewinter 11y ago
Yes its idealistic. I don't expect that everyone would do it. But if I don't stand up for what I believe in, do I really believe it at all? Ultimately its just a moral thing, I'm not asking for it to be illegal. I just find it to be morally corrupt. People are free to have their own moral views and act on them and I wouldn't want to stop them either. My original comment was just my two pence.
Invalidity 11y ago
I can accept that, and it's a good thing that you do stand up fro your values.
incraved 11y ago
This guy is living life on God mode. He said he has already saved 100 grand and makes 4 on average per week
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
There's absolutely no way a soon-to-be married woman would suck off a random stranger on her own accord, he must have drugged her or forced her to do it! Only men cheat and act like scumbags during bachelor parties! /s
MagicGainbow 11y ago
The thing that gets me is that if you were in a situation were your bride-to-be was going to have a stripper at a batchelorette party you'd be seen as unreasonable and a prude for objecting to it...marriage not even once, but I gotta say this guy is great advertisement for us.
EducatedCavemen 11y ago
Yeah, iv'e seen a lot of "TRP truth" on reddit all of the sudden. Specially in r/AdviceAnimals. Are people opening their eyes or are some lurkers around here just using this to get them Internet points? Advertisement is the last thing this sub needs.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
This isn't some sooper-sekrit private club anyones welcome as long ans they follow the sidebar rules, what's th point of redpill if we turn away everyone seeking to swallow the damn thing.
EducatedCavemen 11y ago
I never said turn people away, i said we do not need advertising(specially advertising coming from us). When people truly need help they will always find it. We do not need to start Advertising and promoting our believes because we want to "help". We do not help the fallen get up, we help the fallen get themselves up. all i am saying is that if people really need this, then we will be here.
We do not need to go around giving everybody this information just because we think it's the truth. That will only dilute us. Help yourself, become happy first then you can help others, but if you just try to get everybody here and share watered down information, then this will become a circlejerk. For example, r/Seduction.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
Too late for that it happens every time we are mentioned, the only smart response is to maintain vigilance and down-vote/report diluting content, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance a concept that not only works well here but is one of the corner stones of red pill theory.
gladudontknowme 11y ago
without verifiable proof, i'd never take someone's word online about how much bachelorette pussy he is getting. This just reeks troll to me.
netgrey 11y ago
Really? I'm a fucking ugly neckbeard mother fucker and I've fucked like 5 married women so far. I believe it.
thecajunone 11y ago
Believe it. Status=pussy. I'm not even good looking and as a bartender in the nice part of town I constantly get cuties wanting the D. Half of them turn out to be married or in a "committed" relationship.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
Most men are in denial of what it's like as an alpha. Walk into any room and flat-out KNOW 90%-100% of the women in there would sleep with you.
They've taken the blue pill.
Areimanes 11y ago
A good friend of mine is 6'4'' and built like a linebacker. He's handsome, funny, articulate, very smart and is a natural alpha. It wouldn't surprise you if I told you that his girlfriend is a solid 8.5-9.
When I'm with him at the gym or at other activities, I see women go moist over him. It's hilarious.
Am I saying he could fuck 100% of all women? No. But a good 90% purely based on his physique alone, and when he opens his mouth that figure jumps up to 95-98%.
Sherlock--Holmes 11y ago
I was sometimes "it" until one of those fuckers walked in the room, then I was dog meat. I hated those guys. (Now I am just old.)
TattedGuyser 11y ago
Hahaha it's so true. When I was 19 I did a couple of bachelorette parties.. and the brides to be. It's like they somehow believe this will be their last chance at having a fling that they need to get it out of their system.
[deleted] 11y ago
You mean...in to their system! ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg
TheScout201 11y ago
Yikes.
monsieurhire2 11y ago
There's a porn site called Dancing Bear. Naturally, one would think that all the women are porn extras . . . but, nope, a fair amount appear to be idiots. In all fairness, men do this as well at their bachelor parties. Personally, I find it repulsive and disgusting. It's one thing if you're single. But while you're engaged, and especially, right before your wedding? Come on!
DarkSayed 11y ago
So I was saying in the other thread, I have contempt for women.....Can't really blame me can you, guys?
[deleted] 11y ago
No I really cant
astronautwerewolf 11y ago
This guy must be fucking a lot of gross girls. 1/10 girls are even doable these days. Maths.
[deleted] 11y ago
This is probably an embellished story, but bachelor / bachelorette parties do involve a fair amount of cheating. Couple of reflections:
This is less a woman-being-women issue and more a people-being-people issue. Plenty of guys get intimate with strippers during bachelor parties as a last hoorah before marriage. The "last hoorah" phenomenon isn't surprising considering...
...when sex has become radically normalized, the gravity of adultery lessens. This is why it is absolutely essential that you know your partner's history and number, whether it's from her own mouth, her friends, her exes, or some other source. If you've been sleeping with different guys every month for the past five to ten years, why on earth would any intelligent man trust you to remain monogamous for the next forty? You've devalued sex from a meaningful bond between lovers to an enjoyable past time.
This is a tough pill to swallow, but there are certain things a girl can say- even a fiance, even someone you'd die for- that are insurmountable red flags. If she ever mentions an open relationship, even half jokingly, bolt. If she ever mentions a threesome, even a FFM session, bolt. If she ever mentions a bachelorette party involving strippers, even if it's her friends' idea, bolt. Period. Your future children will thank you for raising them with a dependable mother in a stable home. Speaking of...
jacks1000 11y ago
Depends. If you suspect the open relationship is going to be one sided, as in she's going to be having lovers on the side but you are not, bolt. But it often works just the opposite. It's almost like "dread game" or "pre-selection." The fact that you can get other women, and do, increases her attraction to you.
But generally speaking, if you are interested in a long term, intimate relationship with a woman, and if you're not a slut (sex-positive, kinky, polyamorous, yadda yadda) if she mentions an open relationship - run, do not walk.
JGH8763 11y ago
Your comment doesn't belong in this forum, it belongs in a forum about how great conservative marriage is. It's idealism.
I could argue how good open relationships are, but that isn't relevant to this forum either.
[deleted] 11y ago
Isn't this subreddit about sexual strategy and male self-improvement? Yes, I'm a believer in conservative marriage, in part because it's an effective long-term sexual strategy that contributes to male self-improvement. I'm struggling to see why this isn't relevant.
JGH8763 11y ago
I may be wrong, but I thought of this forum more as descriptive than prescriptive.
If there is going to be discussion of prescriptions, there are going to be factions, and venturing into idealism will be almost inevitable. I thought this forum was based on the rejection of idealism and instead strictly describing what works and what doesn't. If we're going to describe what works and what doesn't in terms of sexual strategy, I don't think we should bother valuing other men's sexual strategies as merely good or bad, but rather as effective or ineffective. If your desired goal is a monogamous long-term relationship with children, let's discuss what works and what doesn't, but if another man's desired goal is to fuck as many women as possible, or to keep a "gentleman's rotation", again, let's discuss what works and what doesn't. If one man's course of actions is to be a floor mat for a fat feminist, we should only assess his course of action as it relates to his desired goals (his desired goals almost certainly include not being a floor mat for a fat feminist). We can discuss what strategies are healthiest and what science says about male mating strategies and so on, but giving general advice to men to run away from any woman who even hints at threesomes or open relationships isn't right. It leaves more inquiries than answers. First you need to establish why open relationships and threesomes are bad/unhealthy for men, and that's a hell of a thing to establish.
[deleted] 11y ago
The way to avoid "factions" is to establish claims as conditional. If you want short-term hookups, here are some steps to follow. If you want long-term relationships, here are some steps to follow. Different people search for different types of relations, so it makes sense to offer advice for various partnerships.
In some cases, a "venture into idealism" is healthy. If someone here questions the merits of bed-hopping or marriage (both happen not too infrequently), clearing up misconceptions and providing arguments can be helpful.
[deleted] 11y ago
This is stupid. The type of girl who want male a male stripper at her party is promiscuous, how suprising.
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