Intro:
I saw a video today on Channel 4 News of Nigel Farage (leader of the UK Independence Party) talking in European Parliament. The short video contains highlights of the full speech but nevertheless the contents of it caught my interest.
Background on Nigel:
Nigel Farage is quite simply the reason Britain has left the EU at this point in time. Without his charisma in leading UKIP, he wouldn't have collected so many votes from the two main political parties in the UK over the last few years and the prime minister David Cameron wouldn't have had to resort to the promise of a referendum in the last general election to ensure his party's success in the polls. Until recently, unless he has had something to say furthering his perceived goals of gaining support for his party and leaving the EU, he has been largely out of the media spotlight (a concept i'm sure we can understand here).
A significant portion of the UK voted for to leave the EU based at least partially on his arguments for a better future. Largely his arguments are blame games which look at small issues people can relate with and he assigns blame to a particular group for this issue, whether it be immigrants, the other political parties or the bureaucratic nature of the EU. I'm sure there is some truth to his arguments but he uses them in a way to appeal to the lowest common denominator and get their vote away from other more responsible parties.
Now that the UK has decided to leave the EU, people are looking to him and the Leave campaign to keep up their promises and to deliver a plan for the country post Brexit. The Tory majority of the Leave campaign has fallen suspiciously quiet. Whether Nigel and 'Leave' really wanted to win at this point in time or not is speculative but regardless the result has been decided.
The Video:
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153852068921939
His charisma sold the idea of Brexit to the public and in this video he is stating to other MEPs of the European Parliament why it is a successful decision. Whether it really is or isn't is irrelevant, all that matters to him is the concept that it is a good idea and he uses this perspective to showcase the power of the UK.
The video is a demonstration of his confidence and attitude; his strong frame. From the get go, he actively provokes the audience of MEPs from around Europe.
He starts off by stating “I came here with the idea 17 years ago and now I have achieved that goal”. This implies it was an inevitable outcome and more importantly the RIGHT outcome and that HE had the idea 17 years ago.
He then redirects the reasons to why they are having feelz of anger in this present moment and TELLS them it's not because of his arrogance but because they are in denial because their 'project' that is the EU is a failure. A huge claim to make but presumably it must be true since the UK has decided to leave.
He then states that Brexit has global implications and states how 'the oppressed' has rejected the 'oppressor'. Here he brings the idea of ethics as part of the reason; 'EU bad'.
He predicts that this is the the start of a trend with the UK being the first to leave, resulting in the dissolution of the EU. Presumably all it took was someone with the right idea and the balls to steer their country in the right direction.
At the midway point things get quite interesting. He makes an incredibly bold and insulting claim that “none of you have ever worked a real job in your lives”.
He is stating how much better he is than them, whether they believe it or not by implying he has worked in business and in real jobs, reducing the rest of the EU parliament to the idea that they are mindless bureaucrats who don't understand business. By stating he is better than them he is showcasing that his country is better because HE is representing them, someone with a vast knowledge and experience of real world trading.
The reaction of the other MEP's is noteworthy. Most seem to be amused at his claim, people who are able to find his jabs amusing and are secure in their knowledge & contributions to their country and their value as an MEP; his words mean nothing. A more insecure person may get angry at his evaluation and attempt to defend themselves and/or justify their value. Obviously this is not a forum where such a reaction is relevant or even expected but I can imagine some of the MEPs would have taken offence.
For the rest of the speech, the woman in seat 122 seems to be visibly enamoured with him. He has ferociously expressed his superiority over them and showcased his individuality. He is different to everyone else there and better than them. The woman is amused at him and the atmosphere he has managed to create in the EU parliament today. It's 'interesting', he's creating an experience. He's not some boring everyday MEP. This guy has charisma/game.
Finally at the end he states and implies that, whether they like him and the UK or not, there is business to be had. He mentions 'sensible trade agreements' which implies that the UK won't accept one sided deals because they are considered to be in a position of weakness. Actually they are the prize, who can pick and choose trade deals from anyone and don't have to settle for countries just inside the EU. The EU simply cannot do without the UK whereas the UK can do without them. This is pretty much abundance mentality.
Again whether it's based in reality or not is irrelevant to him. He is trying to bring the rest of the MEPs into his frame.
Interestingly, my sister who is currently residing in Italy, talked about how the news station played the same clip and were simply commenting on what an arrogant buffoon the guy was.
Summary
Even though the perceived position of the UK is currently in a weak position (fall of the £ sterling, loss of AAA credit rating) Nigel is actually changing the script on the situation to his audience in this video by stating the (potential) power the UK without really using any facts. He tells the other MEPs they are simply inferior and uses that frame to explain why they need the UK more than the UK needs any other country. The use of many Redpill identified strategies to build a strong frame to build himself up and therefore the decision of Brexit.
Free_skier 7y ago
Come on. Nigel is a very good speaker but he is a cunt and a liar. He never planned to win and was just using this stance to gain leverage in politics.
The only chance for UK now is a EU collapse or that the EU decides to be super lenient (which is not going to happen with Merkel).
WhiteKnightFgt 7y ago
Can't barrage the Farage (Example of his frame when being called "racist")
dat_mean_no_work 7y ago
I now understand why the Leave vote won. Farage is top notch in all of his appearances. The competition is just not there. He shot down everyone.
throwawaycomedian95 7y ago
It was very helpful to watch his debating style.
Luckyluke23 7y ago
this is amazing and i love it!
ecrvnr 7y ago
Jesus fuck, the very beginning of the video is already cringeworthy. That pseudo-journalist claiming that a government working for its people first and everyone else second is racism...
But yeah to go back to redpill and frame, Nigel, whether you agree with his political views or not, is undeniably more charismatic than any of the limp-dicked lefties that pretend to be government leaders.
Luckyluke23 7y ago
i live in aus so i really have no view on leaving or not. but this kid tells it like it is and i respect the hell out of it.
greatslyfer 7y ago
This guy knows how to stand his ground very firmly.
He's very charismatic.
throwawaycomedian95 7y ago
What I also notice is that while he explains himself and answers antagonistic questions, he also finds a way to throw blame back on the person asking the question or trivialise his negative light with the absurdity of the person for asking the question.
To paraphrase what I remember:
"Mr Farage, you've been accused of being racist, being sexist"
"Who hired you to say that? That is complete nonsense."
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It'snot about the political views, it's about the person itself.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
This Brexit thing has got me going down the EU rabbit hole (research). Holy shit what a mess it is.
I didn't even know Switzerland was not in EU. A white spot on the EU map just like it was a white spot on the Nazi Germany Map in WWII. My other favorite European country - Norway is blessed with never joining EU. Both countries are doing VERY well.
UK stepped too close to EU trying to get the Trade deal and slipped into the admin nightmare of the EU, not to mention the subtle conquering of Europe with the pen. The Foreign Minister for Poland recently expressed dismay at the plan to dismantle member's militaries and replace with a EU one. If Hitler knew it was that easy...
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Switzerland is in the European Free Trade Area. It has some 'access' to the single market, but has to accept a lot of bullshit in return, including free movement of people. Switzerland decided they no longer wanted that, and the EU has agreed in principle, although it hasn't been implemented yet.
Norway is in the European Economic Area. When they had a referendum about joining the EU proper in 1994 the same scaremongering was used as in the Brexit campaign, that all the companies would leave, they would be isolated, etc etc. In fact the exact opposite happened.
As for He Who Must Not Be Named, he came to power on the back of mass unemployment. It was over 30%. What is the youth unemployment in Greece, Southern Italy and Greece because of the EU? Much higher than that. Interesting times.
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
Dislike Nigel's politics completely but he's a fantastic speaker
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It's a good political analysis, but I honestly think it's too much of a stretch for TRP. The EU is a political institution and entity, not a woman, it doesn't think like a woman and it doesn't have the desires that a woman has. It's a fun comparison maybe, but I don't think it's relevant.
I think the idea that the woman is attracted to Farage is also pretty far-fetched.
jm51 7y ago
Guys can't always tell what women are into.
When news broke that Edwina Currie had a 10 year affair with John Major, people were just gobsmacked. How did that happen? For most of those 10 years, Spitting Image and other satirical shows had been portraying John Major as dull and devoid of charisma.
I did a quick straw poll of women I knew: 'Does John Major look dirty to you?' [dirty = slutty]
About 70% answered yes and the rest were 'Don't know'.
To me, he just looks meh.
0kool74 7y ago
That's kinda funny if you ask me because the token mouthpiece for the EU is German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Now unless she's a transsexual, and I don't know it, I think she's a woman.
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She's a proponent for the EU, but the EU itself is much much larger than her, and much larger even than the people within it. It's the product of an unapologetic globalist ideology.
His speech isn't for the EU and its members, it's for the people of Europe, so talking about how the other MEPs feel about him or his speech is irrelevant. I mean yeah, you can take note of his confidence and good speaking skills, but that's a political analysis and it has nothing to do with women at all. Maybe the woman in the background is impressed by him, but it's hardly worth making a thread about that.
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Well, Can't Barrage the Farage also boasts in his autobiography how he lost many millions for his employer, didn't do shit at work and got fired multiple times.
Just like Emma Watson he also avoids paying taxes on 1 pound per pound (he is a guy after all) by having money in Panama.
He does have a great frame and is incredible at deflecting criticism and in this regard he has much to teach.
But for telling if UK is better in EU or outside, he is not really a person to ask.
AlerioX 7y ago
He's pretty much like Trump.
Alpha frame and great in politics but shitty as a businessman.
Can't wait for all the Trump fanboys to downvote me.
Gawernator 7y ago
I'm not a trump fanboy but I can also do arithmetic and read facts. Doh
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The earth is flat. Can't wait for all the illuminati sheep to downvote me.
[deleted] 7y ago
The guy is worth in excess of $3 billion. I wish I was a failure of a businessman like him.
jav253 7y ago
Yeah lol that's what I was gonna say. I only wish I could be as much of a business failure as Trump is flying around in his private jet with gold plated seats.
Oftowerbroleaning 7y ago
his business success rate is actually 98.64%. that's 515 businesses and only 11 failures. idiot.
greatslyfer 7y ago
It's like... if you fail once you're immediately deemed unskilled.
If that were the case, EVERYBODY would be a huge failure.
Oftowerbroleaning 7y ago
Trump has a higher success rate than Elon Musk by orders of magnitude and that's without billions of dollars in government grants
zboo1h 7y ago
Trump's going to stomp Hillary into cuntpaste.
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That is a way better slogan than "Make America Great Again".
Lsegundo 7y ago
Vulgar, but I laughed out loud. She is such a POS. How could the dems choose somebody with so much criminal baggage to put against Trump? He is going to bury her in an avalanche of her own shit in every debate. Bloopers will probably be offended by his meanness, ignore her greedy scandals, and vote for her anyway.
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greatslyfer 7y ago
I don't know man, it's hard to envision that :/
WolfofAnarchy 7y ago
How? I am a Trump supporter, but even in RED Texas he is +1%. Nationally, he's losing to her
zboo1h 7y ago
Polls can be manipulated. If you know anything about how deep Hillary is into the establishment, it isn't paranoid or far-reaching to suspect there's fuckery going on with the polls.
I can't wait for November.
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NaughtyFred 7y ago
Really?
Farage and his party are largely supported by a demographic of old navel gazing "middle england" racists who still think Britain has an empire and an Industrial base worth a crap.
A man holding frame against a shark will still be eaten.
Jolly-rancher359 7y ago
Thank you, I find a lot of stuff on TRP useful but then I see people supporting trump or advocating brexit. Stick to social advice fellas.
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You might hear things here you don't like. Get over it.
redpillren 7y ago
The the English and Welsh Proletariat stuck two fingers up to the Bourgeois in my opinion. Labour heartland after Labour heartland voted Leave, 70% of Tory members vote Leave. It feels like the slaves revolting against their Masters to me. The Masters are going to do their utmost to bring us back into line though.
NaughtyFred 7y ago
And when the Proletariat face the economic hardship caused by their decision I'm sure they won't complain.
me_gusta_poon 7y ago
Even if they face some economic hardship because of the exit, it will be childs play compared to the impending disaster that is the EU. That shit is going up in smoke and Germany will once again bear the brunt and get fucked by history. Weimar 2 incoming. The UK took the better option.
Lsegundo 7y ago
Caused by their decision or by the .1% desire to punish them for standing up for themselves?
NaughtyFred 7y ago
It won't matter, the result will be the same.
mikesteane 7y ago
Despite millions of pounds of their own money being spent on pushing the stay agenda, the British people said "No." This was not some small demographic, this was the majority. Last Thursday was a proud day for England and Wales, a day on which they finally stood up and said "we can govern ourselves, we don't need the French telling us how to make beer or the Germans legislating on human rights."
NaughtyFred 7y ago
The vote was 52% leave, 48% remain...hardly the British people speaking in unity.
"We may have to run a BIG chance of destroying many of the main GDP producing sectors of our economy but it'll be worth it to see less darkies on the streets"
Lsegundo 7y ago
The world is overflowing with spineless, castrated, sheeple. They are so afraid of change or the slightest risk. They will always vote for the status quo. Any successful vote of change against the elites is a big deal.
mikesteane 7y ago
The European Union destroyed the British Fishing Industry and decimated British agriculture. No the referendum was not the British people speaking in unity, but despite a massive taxpayer funded campaign behind the remain side and despite having been taken into the European Union without a popular mandate, thus giving the pro-coagulation side a strong advantage, the majority said, quite clearly: NO.
NaughtyFred 7y ago
Neither are Britains main source of GDP.
You're reading red pill so I don't need to tell you how dumb the majority of
sheeppeople are.mikesteane 7y ago
Thus speaks a true democrat. But you are wrong, the British people are not sheep; they did not follow the shepherd to the slaughterhouse.
NaughtyFred 7y ago
Time will decide which slaughterhouse was the real one. In the meantime keep holding frame.
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As an American, I wish Ron and Rand Paul had the charisma of Nigel Farage. You can't just state facts and logic dealing with the globalist media and the processed masses. It takes strong frame and charisma.
Jzeezy420 7y ago
Rand has proven to be mostly a fraud. I wish Gary Johnson had some charisma.
Worst_Patch1 7y ago
Libertarian would destroy USA by simply taking away restrictions on corporations.
The only problem with Left is the over SJW stuff. The economic policies are great of what Bernie or Jill Stein want to do.
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najaanwe 7y ago
Malice/anger is not the opposite of friendliness, indifference is.
The MEPs who laugh and cast aside Farage's comments are indifferent to the noise he makes because they know he's just bullshitting and trying to instigate conflict. Those that got angry or unnerved showed their malice which is exactly what Farage wants in order to make his cause more justified back home.
Its essentially a bait which some of the MEPs went in for (unfortunately in my opinion) and which others didn't (which the others ought to learn from).
0kool74 7y ago
God I love this guy. He doesn't get phased by their left wing bull shit, and throws it right back in their face. They can't handle it.
This is 110% correct. England is having to squander billions for leech nations, and is overrun by no value useless immigrants.....pretty much like here in the U.S. And this same kind of holding is true between the U.S. and the U.N.
Free_skier 7y ago
The loss they risk is higher. 57% of their business is with the EU. And they are a great financial place due to having access to the open market.
The only chance of the UK is a collapse of the EU or that the EU gives them an unbelievable deal (which I sincerely don't see happening after France and Germany statements).
Thewelshpill 7y ago
that's not strictly true, parts of the UK (especially south wales - cardiff, newport, swansea) have received an insane amount of EU funding and completely modernized entire cities.
Although you could probably consider wales a leech nation haha
Digital_Yar 7y ago
I agree with the red pill part of the post, he's indeed quite good at speaking and the numerous interviews showed in the first comment provide a good example of how timing and frame will save you from questions that would make you look like a moron if you tried to answer them for real. On the other side though, don't forget that he won in rural areas and with old people. Sure it has to do with the whole EU thing, but it also shows that his style is more appealing for the simple minds.
The speech in EU parliment was a mistake in my opinion, there are more sofisticated ways of holding frame than that, he insulted people who'll have strong influence on GB-EU agreements in the next few months. Any business man would avoid that.
Free_skier 7y ago
He insults them then ask them to be grown ups when negotiating with the UK.
He wouldn't make a sale in his whole life with this attitude.
BlueFreedom420 7y ago
The neoliberals are punishing Britain for leaving its bureaucracy.
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If only one man with a bit of charisma can make a whole country exit the EU, I guess the EU is lead by pussies.
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RavelsBolero 7y ago
Farage is one of the only open and honest speaking politicians in British politics. Like him or not, he's been wrongly demonised as a racist. He isn't racist, he stands by his principles in arguments, he doesn't weasel his way of out questions. We need more people like him.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Brexit was the:
Slave Revolt
Iceland broke free a few years ago and in six months was fine.
There are apparently eight countries now thinking of leaving the EU.
Freedom is better than Slavery even if some bumps occur along the way.
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Donald_Flamenco 7y ago
Comparable to a drug addict initially having withdrawals after quitting
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
It took Iceland six months to get themselves free of the withdrawl symptoms.
(this was a few years ago)
Not bad.
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aBitClearer 7y ago
My understanding is a bit different. Iceland was never part of the EU, but did petition to be part of the EU after Iceland's banking system failed in 2008-2009. Six years later, when Iceland's economy started to grow again, their government withdrew the bid to join.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
They weren't part of the EU but were under the control of the Globalist Tyranny which likes to use debt as a way to control countries.
They chose to bite the bullet and pay off their debts and are now free.
At this stage they don't have any or very little debt.
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NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
This battle has been brewing for a looooooooooooooooong time.
You can go back to the 1500's and it's very clear that within the secret societies in which Nostradamus was a part that three wars were planned before the Globalist Tyranny would try to claim power.
Only in Nostradamus the globalists who are soooooo close to total victory end up losing and things settle down somewhat afterwards.
All the wars and terrorism and Blue Pill brainwashing are leading up to a climax that is not far away.
After WWIII the population will be much, much lower... down to a couple billion from our present 7 billion.
The "earliest writings" (Torah) stressed universal Game awareness... what we call the Red Pill.
[deleted] 7y ago
totally forgot about those guys. Was amazing how their approach was so dissimilar from the rest of the world, then just kind of left the spotlight.
Was the kind of response that everyone wanted for their own countries,
smokecheck1976 7y ago
2 things...
They basically robbed the depositors of their banks that had branches in the UK.
TheEagleAndTheSnake 7y ago
Czech here awaiting Czexit. We're gonna get there in time.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
We will be rooting for you.
Freedom for all... an end to the Globalist Tyranny.
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That would be good to see. The Common Market was a very good idea, but the behemoth it evolved into post Maastricht, and especially the disaster of the Euro, was not. Italy, Greece and Spain are still economically very weak, are not allowed to take necessary steps to grow, and have massive unemployment.
I would like to see a North Atlantic Common Market. We could start by setting that up with UK, Iceland, Norway, and Canada. I can imagine Denmark, The Netherlands, Sweden and perhaps the Baltic states wanting to join. Do you imagine that would be something that would tempt Eastern Europe? I gather that already Poland and Hungary (I think it was Czech Republic too) are complaining about the way the original core members have gone into a huddle about where the EU should go and not included them. And this week talks start about including Turkey in the EU, giving the EU land borders to Syria and Iraq. What could possibly go wrong? People need something to look forward to, something offering stability. Right now, the EU feels like the only game in town, and it just isn't stable, apart from interfering far too much in the internal affairs of member countries. I gather the Polish foreign secretary has asked why Juncker is still in his post. Why indeed, the failure of the Brexit renegotiation is much to do with his intransigence.
Meanwhile, we have the spectacle of the SNP, a party that exists solely to achieve independence for Scotland, being vehemently opposed to independence for the UK as a whole. A party that is dying for a chance to call a new referendum on scottish independence going to Westminster demanding that they ignore the result of an independence referendum. You couldn't make it up.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexiteers-1-0-scaremongers-uk-stocks-erase-all-brexit-losses http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/germany-just-blew-italys-bank-bailout-plan http://wolfstreet.com/2016/05/28/spain-banking-crisis-is-back-banco-popular-capital-npl/
TheEagleAndTheSnake 7y ago
My personal opinion is that my country is strongly tied to the V4: us, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary. These come first, everything else comes second (but still West over Russia). A Common Market is a good idea unless it's controlled by any political force (TTIP for example is not a good idea). Euro as a currency was a good idea until the tip of the corporate iceberg inserted its tip into the Euroanus and fucked it thoroughly. The EU as it is now will not go on, I imagine it either changes profoundly or falls apart in the next 5 or 10 years. Also, the call for a new referendum where only 40% of stay votes would mean stay is an antidemocratic pathetic bullshit, typical euroglobalist 'equality'. Small parties full of idiots are not rare, are they? We have the royalists who want to take the Czech republic back to the 14th century and declare the Czech kingdom again.
a715 7y ago
Surely you have to go with Czech-out, if you're going for a word play in English?
mikesteane 7y ago
I'm waiting for Quitaly, Outstria and Swedout.
Only Remania will too stupid to leave.
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Looking forward to the Fruck off
prodigy2throw 7y ago
People getting too hyped about the short term affects of the brexit. Long term it'll probably work out fine.
The fact that John Oliver opposes this so much made me realize it's probably a good idea.
Thewelshpill 7y ago
My boss gave me a great quote about brexit
"people are only panicking because the media is saying everyone's panicking"
ImPhilsredditAccount 7y ago
Exactly. Liberal hysteria. As Neoreaction pointed out, about eight countries want to leave. They are probably the same ones who had a majority vote not to join in the first place, but were forced in to the EU.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Basically it's like getting off a downer like Heroin.
[deleted] 7y ago
Funny, coming from the guy who decided to leave the UK for better opportunities on his own
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
The stock markets barely dropped then recovered yesterday.
I'm sure that the globalists will do something else to try to scare the sheep back into the pen, but for now the Slave Revolt is official.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Most stock markets are B.S right now. And who cares if they go down to more honest levels. Corrections are very healthy.
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hores 7y ago
Still high off that Fed money huh?
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bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
It's not bloody slavery, the unelected beauracrats argument is a myth, most of the EU Nations want the same thing anyway, and if the UK want the massive financial benefits of the single market they're going to have to accept certain regulations like the free movement of people anyway (which Brits themselves massively benefit from).
illisit 7y ago
The EU leadership is entirely out of touch with the people of Europe and out of touch with reality. If they weren't out of touch the border would be locked down to the third world trash coming in. The EU will fail and it will be because of its left wing values in the face of reality
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
The third world trash are literally getting on boats that could well kill them to come to Europe. Calling them trash is incredibly out of touch with both reality and any sense of moral decency. I'd love to see how your views changed if you were born in one of those third world countries.
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So? If they're ready to risk their life then why not risk their life to make their own country not a shithole?
Why is it that Europe that has to take them in? Why not Saudi Arabia? The Saudis shares their religion, have plenty of money, and even have vast area of unused, government owned housing.
It's time to wake up and smell the ashes, they aren't refugees. They are invaders.
illisit 7y ago
Tell that to all the victims of rape to the horde since they've been flowing in
You're right, it would probably change to "where da white women at" like the rest of them.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Oh geez...
No, it's a "Slave Revolt" and it's from people who woke up.
Take the Red Pill and you will see the light.
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
Quit making the red pill political. You can't decide what global movement is TRP and what isn't. I've took the red pill I'm just not a conspiracist. Europe has nothing to do with women and most of the leave voters weren't voting because they are being controlled, they voted because they don't like high immigration or believed the sovereignty argument.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
The Blue Pill is the emotional indoctrination that is applied by the Globalist Tyranny which seeks to create a beta slave world.
Exactly how are we going to avoid knowing this?
I mean I get the idea that we can't discuss the "big picture" all the time because there are other things to talk about, but when events relate to the Globalist Tyranny there's nothing wrong with stating the obvious.
If you want dumbed down opinions just go to ordinary Blue Pill subs.
The Red Pill is about not accepting the dumbed down slave view of reality.
If there is a Slave Revolt we are going to celebrate... so basically fuck off and leave us alone.
Jzeezy420 7y ago
Whenever the leftists don't get their way in a vote, it's ALWAYS because the peasants are either 1) stupid or 2) racist. Or both. Of course, racist now simply means "anyone who opposes leftist orthodoxy/dogma".
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
Did I call anyone racist? I quoted the two main focuses of the leave campaign, immigration and sovereignty. Now I could make a generalised argument about how stupid right wingers are but I'm not an idiot.
0kool74 7y ago
yea you're basically a stupid moron. That third world trash committed atrocities in Paris, Brussels....and just a couple of days ago.....Istanbul.
Here in my country, they've done it in San Bernardino, Orlando, and several other places. TRP is a lifestyle concept, and politics is a part of life. I'm ALL for LEGAL immigration. It's what has made this country what it is. But I do not believe in totally opening the doors and the coffers for illegal trash. The more of them that perish on those boats the less we, and Britain by the by, have to waste resources on them and suffer terrorist attacks at their hands. How long do you think it'll be before there's a terrorist attack in London??
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yeah. Could have been easy to create a NORAD like system in the EU, allowing for mutual security measures for the member states. Instead, just opening the flood gates, and since gated communities don't have to worry about shooting spres, shows the giant disconnect between the quintiles...
You can't just disregard an entire economic demographic for 20 years, and then blame them when they would rather spite you, than believe your promises of prosperity. Hell, if they had a little of it over the last 20 years, this would have been dead in the water.
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
Are you fucking stupid? You realise most of the French attackers were born inside France and thus are not third world trash. Cba to even debate you, do some research.
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bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
What do you think third world means? This argument is about the EU and immigration, so my point is deporting 'trash' wouldn't have changed what happened in France.
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bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
Thanks for that hypothesis
0kool74 7y ago
face it dude.......your pro terrorist, pro trash viewpoint won't win you any sympathy or understanding here.
bountyhunterdjango 7y ago
No, clearly it's very hard for you to understand.
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thisornothing 7y ago
It might seem that way to a beta desperately pretending to be alpha. He looks like a fool from start to finish.
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-Riskbreaker- 7y ago
He is poisoning the waters that the UK are swimming in. His boastful disposition is a result of his pride and arrogance at having lied his way into achieving his own personal goal at the expense of a nation. The UK do not have the upper hand in the negotiations to come, and they will soon be in the position of begging for scraps from the table. Globalisation ensured long ago that an individual country - especially one that relies so heavily on imports - is unable to operate alone. Trade and commerce levelled the playing fields when either side had something to offer. Now this man stands before a community of countries and insults them in front of the world. He should be begging them for mercy, as they hold his nation's future in their hands.
riverraider69 7y ago
I don't think he's talking to them. His audience is outside the room, and there he's scoring plenty of points - with those who voted leave and now suffer massive cognitive dissonance and desperately need reassurance, with those who voted remain or didn't vote and just want a bit of extra hope that maybe things will be ok, with others in EU who want to get out.
Whether this will be better for UK or not is less important - for him, it's a huge boost and he's milking it.
Transmigratory 7y ago
The fact that key Brexit promises were backtracked is actually not so good for him.
Dude couldn't even get elected in the general election (though he might get another chance if rumours are true).
RavelsBolero 7y ago
When's the last time a 3rd party won the presidency of the USA? There are essentially 2 parties, though UKIP is the 3rd biggest party in the popular vote.
And as for what /u/riverraider69 said, Farage never "promised" 350 million for the NHS, he simply made a suggestion that that money could be spent on it. If I say "let's do this", that's not a promise I can make it happen if we leave a political union.
Tailback 7y ago
Abraham Lincoln was the first President elected from the upstart Republican party.
Teddy Roosevelt was the first President elected from the Bull Moose party.
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Clearly not an idiot, smarter than 99.9% of this forum. Do you know what an idiot is?
Free_skier 7y ago
Someone who might have fucked his country because of his pride is an idiot in my book.
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The misconception you have is that he actually cares about his country.
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getRedPill 7y ago
Nigel holds frame like master, isn't afraid of calling things by its name, break pollitical correctness, doesn't get ashamed by cheap guilt tricks SJW throw at him. Bravo Nigel
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
Please, please... stop hyping up the guy. He's a pathetic excuse for a politician. Great lad, but not someone to entrust your future in.
Also, he was not "single handedly the reason for Brexit". This is a pretty obtuse and narrow view. He was just one of the beLEAVErs.
Also, it's one thing to scream and shout Brexit, but a completely different one to ACTUALLY DO IT. What do I mean? He did not provide a fucking shred of direction on how to do it. Like a little kid, he was shouting "I want out!!!". And now that he's out, he doesn't know what to do.
Last thing, it's pretty funny how all the Brexiters are now backtracking on the promises and claims they were making. Maybe because they're just fucking clueless?
thisornothing 7y ago
Exactly. He's the political equivalent of a PUA. On the surface, it might look like he's an "alpha" and that he's "holding frame" - but his lack of leadership exposes the scared little beta underneath.
No wonder he appeals to so many men.
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
Love the analogy! Perfectly put.
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Nergaal 7y ago
I don't understand why a lot of people here think Brexit is a great outcome. How is it in any ways different than say Texit?
thisornothing 7y ago
Because TRP is full of children who think they're men. There are men posting on here, but it's getting more and more clogged full of infantile manlets who have a very simplistic understanding of what it means to run a business, or operate within a global economy.
Nigel Farrage lost me money and business. The only people who think he's a "hero" are worthless dole scum.
Gotmilkyy 7y ago
Simplistic? Simplistic is you whining about losing money because of this. Of course it will be a tumultuous exit. It's undoing years and years of past failed ideas.
Maybe you're right, maybe Brexit was a bad thing. But nothing you said made that argument. All that I got from your argument is that you had some skin in the side that wanted to remain and are too short-sighted and too foolish to realize you put yourself in a bad position in the first place
thisornothing 7y ago
Hah. Did I touch a nerve? It's weird that you essentially agree with me, and yet kinda just wanted an excuse to hurl meaningless insults. Great stuff.
Nergaal 7y ago
Glad to hear that there are still people here with broader pictures in mind.
DownInBlue 7y ago
Farage little games in European Parliament are transparent for anyone who did not vote for him. The other politicians who pushed for "Leave" are slowly starting to backtrack as they realize the tragic extent of their mistake. Farage on the other hand wants to appear as the guy who stands firm to the (ill-informed) decision that the british people have taken. This stance:
-has detrimental consequences on the relationship between the UK and the EU
-makes him sound like a clown and a provocateur
-hurts the image of his country worldwide, even though the UK is going to need every bit of its reputation and credit to negotiate trade agreements with countries that are WAY less friendly than those from the EU.
But mister Farage thinks he can get votes and political following doing this, so to hell with the consequences. After all, he just sold the biggest political fail of the 21st century to his own countrymen, using lies and deceit. So no big deal I guess.
As other posters have pointed out, this whole thing has little to do with TRP: members of the parliament will not be abused by a change of "script". "Abundance mentality" is a fine concept when talking to women, but I do not see why you think it applies here.
Some people just want to watch the world burn, and I think he is one of those.
thisornothing 7y ago
Completely disagree. Everytime I see him speak, he stutters and sinks into himself. It reeks of insecurity. He resembles a child, not a man - and certainly not the kind of man that can effectively lead. But, immaturity is the climate we live in, so his appeal makes sense.
Transmigratory 7y ago
Frame? Nah, that nigga's just delusional. Look at what he's done to the UK right now, and what the knock on effect was on other markets and economies.
Nigel Farage is not a good example of RP, at all.
CuntyMcFagNuts69 7y ago
Lol K
Standing up to the global elite, calling a spade a spade, has tremendous ability to lead a movement, a great speaker
Yeah his frame sucks
Transmigratory 7y ago
You seen the UK lately? Some frame...
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Jolly-rancher359 7y ago
Pseudo economic ideas advocated by economists and world leaders around the world? Stick to social advice.
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Jolly-rancher359 7y ago
Lol you have no idea what you're talking about. The pound falling is just the tip of the iceberg, wait until Scotland leaves in another referendum and the UK cannot find any new trade deals, businesses move to another central location for higher markets. If you think the EU will make this transition easy you obviously haven't been paying any attention to world affairs. And how can you predict what will happen 10 whole years into the future, maybe banks and nations should fire their top economists and hire you instead.
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0kool74 7y ago
Well the sheep are always sheep until they get their heads cut off. Unfortunately, by then it's too late. Some of those in Paris and Brussels have already found that out.
Jolly-rancher359 7y ago
You sound adorable, you think of TRP as a treehouse of some sorts. You realize David Cameron is part of the conservative party in the UK. Although i wouldn't expect you to as you obviously don't have double digit brain cells.
Anyways have fun with you're life, hopefully review TRP to self improve maybe read a book or meditate because right now you sound like a teen that's trying to be an expert on things that are way over your head.
Transmigratory 7y ago
Have you keeping up with the news lately? The ideas of a superstate were dying out. If you did further research, you'd know that.
Also you probably need to actually get educated with these matters if you actually think Brexit is good for us economically. Looks like the EU are ready to move on without us and the main campaigners for the Brexit are awfully quiet about exit plans, wonder why.
Funny you call BP when you're actually acting like a BPer in the face of logic and an opposing view.
We usually tell BPers to actually read what the RP says; you should actually read what the EU is. While you're at it, turn on the news. If the banks leave, then the UK is screwed, plain and simple: Nigel's "frame" fucked up big. That's not even including the internal divisions in the UK or that even possibilities Brexit were banking on (like the US will stick by the UK no matter what and we'd be able to cherry pick good bits of the union like the single market).
Go on, go tell the market forces that they're being BP by assuming that the Brexit was a bad idea.
While I appreciate you are trying to integrate RP-BP to every aspect of your life, you should honestly understand that there's a world (the world of the markets) which gives no shits about if you're RP or BP.
Anyone here agree with all social aspects of the EU? Of course not. The economic aspect (especially to the educated) is another story all together, something you do not seem to understand.
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Transmigratory 7y ago
My stance is that economically it wasn't worth it, particularly if we lose the financial services who're itching to leave particularly if we lack access to the single market.
I'll admit that I made a mistake there, saw your comment on the EU superstate, so I dug a bit deeper. Seems like it was dying... till this referendum.
Best not to apply any RP-BP to this (if it is even appropriate) till we get a resolution. There are notions suggesting that we might not even leave due to the lack of a plan. And no, I'm not using BP writers from news articles like the Independent, I'm referring to sources like Bloomberg and FT - whom for the interest of money are more in touch with the market forces I'm more concerned about.