Summary
The day after my ex-girlfriend pretty obviously cheated on me, I installed a keylogger on my computer (which she uses instead of her own for some reason). I was expecting her to lie to me about it, and wanted to keep myself protected ("trust, but verify"). What you will read is the raw chat logs from her side of the conversation, with names/locations replaced.
These sucked to read, but I am posting them so that you see directly into the decision making of a woman I made the unfortunate mistake of trusting enough with a relationship.
Body
Some context: About two months before this happened, I started as the first employee at a blossoming startup. As the first engineer as well, I spent the better part of my time focusing on getting the product designed and built, and not as much time on my girlfriend.
Before starting this job, we did discuss what my work-life balance was going to look like if I took this position, how much extra time and weekends I will likely need to spend working for the first 6 months, and how we will still fit in time for us. I wanted to be sure she would go along with this, and she concluded this would be a great thing for both of us (and she was very happy about my pay increase).
After I began the position and (as expected) my hours increased dramatically, my energy to be regularly intimate decreased. We went from daily sex to roughly once a week. Our dates slowed to once a week or less as well.
Now for the kicker: The few days prior to this, I came down with the flu, which was definitely exacerbated by work stress. I know its a trope to say women are turned off when men are sick, but this was apparently the straw that broke the cheater's back. Since I was sick, I was declining to go out drinking every weeknight with her and her coworkers (they had a company conference going on). And since I was refusing to go out this week, in her mind I "never want to go out anymore", and thus it makes sense to cheat and make up for the awful treatment I gave her.
She came home at 3:30 am thursday night, and it was obvious what she did (bars close at 2am here). In the morning I installed the keylogger, went to work, and started mentally prepping for how to deal with the situation (we lived together, so there were some logistics). As I expected, she used my computer to talk with me and all her friends about all of her thoughts on the matter. And so we have these logs.
You will be reading only one side of the conversations (its a keylogger), and additionally, she is having multiple conversations at once. It is fairly clear who she is speaking to, however:
> hey
> are you ignoring me?
> are you at work?
> any way we can talk tonight?
> should i leave the apartment?
> wtf is going on
> you won't even talk to me?
> i'm not going to lie i stayed out too late and i got too drunk and i kissed someone
> and i passed out in the hotel
Here she is speaking to me. Remember this bit here. This is trickle truth.
> i'm fuckingn lonely and habing a breakdown
> i feel so isolated in this relationship and honestly i don't know if i can handle it anymore
> and attempts to talk to you are shut down
> this entire year has been so frustrating and lonely
> i'm sorry
> i really do love you but i don't feel like we are cut out for this
> i love you
> but i am going crazy
She tries to shift blame to me.
> [ihaveameme] and i just broke up
> can you come home?
> can we talk?
> can we please talk
> can i call you?
> i just feel like this relationship is worth saving
> i know i did something incredibly wrong and i am sorry i am trying to make excuses
> i still love you
> yeah i cheated on him
You can see as she struggles to keep making up bullshit to save her meal ticket, and then just switches to her friend and gives her real feelings:
> i am kind of glad it's over
> he doesn't even want to talk about it, he's done
> i think i did this to blow it up bc i have been so frustrated
"I don't know why I do things" = a moment's feelings are her reality
> no just me
> idk where he is
> it's ok nah no right now
> i feel like i need to go somehwere
> i don't know, it wasn't working
> no it was a [company she works for] rep
> i cheated on [ihaveameme] and we broke up
> we weren't sleeping together anymore
> yeah i should not have done this
> but i'm glad it's over
> definitely moving out of [city]
> i just don't know what i am going to do
> i might go to [different city] for a little bit
> we*
> i'm kind of glad it's over
> i have tried to talk to him about this so many times
> this year has been so shitty
We talked about this twice maybe. Now it's many times. Women's memories of you change with their feelings.
> idk this is my fault
> but i was so unhappy
> yeah
> i should have done this months ago
> i was thinking about it
> at least once a week for months
This was the hardest to read. I don't wish this feeling on anyone. Cheaters are cheaters, and I should have known better. Don't date cheaters.
> yeah lol i have no idea what i am going to do with my life right now
> he makes excuses
> i feel really bad
> because he was going to see a doctor when his health insurance kicks in in a week
> but I was just done waiting
She couldn't even wait a week for me to see a doctor. Don't show weakness.
> honestly no
> it;s the lack of affection in general
> it's the fact that [ihaveameme] never wants to go out and do anything
> we don;t go out to dinner
> don't**
> we don't do anything
We do, but her memories of us doing things are gone now that her feelings are gone.
> it has been
> i was kind of dreading england
> i might still go for a week to see [her friend]
> frfrhey [ihaveameme] and i just broke up
> but i still have my ticket
> we are getting the money back for everything else
> i just don't like him anymore
> i think i still love him but idk
> who knows
> i'll get over this in like a month
> i have never not cried after a break up like this
> would it be ok if i came to see you for a week?
> yeah
> yeah
> you were right when you said [ihaveameme] does not deserve someone who has been as patient as i have been
> i should not have cheated but i waited so long for him to change
A couple weeks is "so long" apparently.
> it is
> it sucks
> but fuck it's easier than breaking up
> are you not happy with [my friend]?
> you will hate yourself less if you just break up
> but cheating is easier
> yeah just not compatible
> i hate to say it but now is the time
> he has a good job now right? hopefully he is in a better position for a break up
> i am like [my friend] and can understand if someone would not like that
Notice how she now switches focus on getting her friend to cheat on her boyfriend/my good friend. Women encourage this kind of shit to each other.
> maybe i will go back to school now that i can move away from here
> i was starting to hate [city we live in]
> i know, he is stubborn
> he is too stubborn to admit anything is wrong
> i hate that i did this to him but it was the easy fast way out
> there's nothing here
> i feel like i was staying at [company she works for] to stay with [ihaveameme]
> i know
> it happens
> yeah, it has been 2 months of this
> i thought i had invvested so much time and effort and was afraid to leave
> yeah i know
> those posts have been speaking to me lol
> idk i might still go to eurpoe by myself
> i have an old roommate who lives there
> yeah
> it sucks
> idk what your feeling are outside of that for him but even that is a valid dealbreaker
> yup
> he acted it wasn't like this in the beginning
> yeah i should
> i still want to go to england for a week to see [her friend]
> might be fun
> would probably help me foeget about this lol
> 'yeah
> i know i can't be with someone like [ihaveameme]
> i'm glad i am getting all the hotel money back
> yeah
> you are right
> yeah i thought it would be so fun living here with him
> 'i'm also glad i don't have a boyfriend who will never go out and do anything with me even though we live in a great area
> it was a battle trying to get him to do anything
> i just cried like 2 tears
> i can;t be that sad about this
She had moved on weeks ago, so naturally she can't be sad about this. Sometimes I think I was dating a sociopath.
> can't**
> ugh you know [ihaveameme] is a good person
> i feel awful
> but jhe will never be a good boyfriend
> i don't either
> but he is all about monogamy even if we aren't having sex
Yes, I am all about monogamy, because that's literally what a relationship is.
> i need someone more like me
> or i just need to be single lol
> better option '
> i can finally have sex more than once every week
> and it will actually be good
> and someone will finally go down on me
And there it is. I wasn't fucking her as well as she wanted recently. Thus, the imperative becomes to seek out new dick.
> i am anxious because i am in the apartment alone but honestly this will be good for me
> i might make one right now lol
> JUST TO SWIPE just to swipe haha
> deadbedrooms
> ugh no i should look at places
> i might work at [company she works for] a little longer
> yeah i think it will be good
> i'll just find a new job and move somehwere else
> miface
> maybe
> it would be nice to move closer to home
> am also thinking about [another city]
> LOL
> no it's ok jokes are good right now>
> jesus
> WE"RE BOTH SINGLE
> lol
> haha
> oh my god yes
> maybe someone will finally have anal sex with me
> he's not coming home tonigh
> idk if he is ok
> i might stay at a friend's house just to not be here
> i am a little sad but this relationship was dead
> no, not lately
> we were cute in college
> yeah
> had a way bigger dick
> i know that
> not to sound vain
> but i know lol
> aw
> send me cute dog pics
> yup
> i'm kind of glad i'll be able to move away from [city we live in]
> yeah yeah
> yeah he was visting from [different city]
> we went to the beach and made out
> then made out in his hotel room a and i touched his dick
> then i passed out, did not make it home until 3 am
This is trickle truth in action. Compare what she said to me at the top with what she says to her friend here. Trust, but verify (my verification was this keylogger). I'm surprised she lies to her friend here. Knowing my ex, there's no way she "just passed out". They fucked, but she doesn't want to look like a total slut to her friends.
> so obviously [ihaveameme] knew
> didn't speak to me this morning
> LOL
> did not come home tonight
Because fuck you, we're done.
> it doesn't matter, i cheated
> [ihaveameme] does not want to be with me anymore
> he said he's cancelling england and giving me my money back
> and he is going to come back to the apartment to get stuff he needs
> i would rather not run into him so i am probably going to leave
> ugh
> i hate monogamy
Beware of the LTR
> it doesnlt work lol
> thank you, that sounds nice right now :)
> yeah maybe
> idk
> it's hard to say bc i have never tried that
> i asked [her friend] if i could still come see her for a week
> yeah idk
> i am not that jealous
> i would prbably get a little kealous but who knows
And yet, she still would be jealous of me dating another woman.
Pure, unadulterated hypergamy.
Lessons Learned
So many packed into one log. Here are a few:
- Never show weakness
- Fuck her well and often or she'll find someone who will
- If her expectation of fucking often/well are different than yours (and yours will change with your situation), she will find someone else
- Women do not care about your feelings. They only care about how they themselves feel, especially how they feel in the moment.
- Cheaters are cheaters and will always cheat with you and on you. Never one or the other.
- Your girlfriend's friends will not tell you she cheated. Your girlfriend's friends will help her cheat. Your girlfriend's friends will convince her its OK to cheat.
- If you are younger than 30, don't move in with your SO
Skkception 7y ago
"Women do not care about your feelings. They only care about how they themselves feel, especially how they feel in the moment."
How is this a lesson learned just now? It's the fucking truth and it doesn't apply to women only. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE SHOULD care about themselves more and ABOVE anyone or anything else. No one is more fucking important than yourself. You sound like the biggest beta when you tell us that you first now learned that.
[deleted] 7y ago
Sounds like you were way too busy with work to pay attention to her, and so she got bored, unhappy and moved on. Most guys would move on in a situation like this.
Date better quality women who don't drink.
And yes, being cheated on absolutely sucks, no one, male or female deserves that.
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SeekingTheWay 7y ago
on android, you can install disguised version of Cerberus, you can then remotely do anything with that phone.
Vasallo7G 7y ago
Putting a keylogger in your gf phone is a TRP crash curse. Every. time.
wh0p00ted 7y ago
This makes me sick to my stomach to read this. Makes me wonder what all my past LTR's have typed to their friends after a breakup. Probably nothing surprising.
RememberingAlpha 7y ago
The feels. This takes me back.
I had the pleasure of reading the sexting that went on between my ex and the would be Chad. Of course it detailed all the things she wouldnt do for me but had donr for exs. She just didnt percieve me as being alpha enough to deserve that treatment. Scarred me for life.
Her best friend encouraged her to cheat initially with her boyfriends best friend. Because it worked out better for her. I hate her more than my ex.
Me ex trickle truthed about her ex's and what she'd done with them. "But she was different now".
This post really took me back. Thanks for sharing
SeekingTheWay 7y ago
I have a very similar story.
My last ex-LTR asked me to backup her SMS when I was reinstalling her phone so I read her messages with her soon-to-be new guy. They were literally arranging meeting in her parents' place (she was living at mine) so I caught her the night before it would happen.
Confronted her, broke up. Hurt like hell. Essentially what brought me here.
[deleted] 7y ago
Immediately start banging a lot of women. Minimum is 200.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Reading all this just made things very clear. This entire chat log bottles down to one thing. Women approach relationships in a calculated way, the emotions she once may have felt will be gone one day- but Chads cock will always be there They don't give a shit about the relationship.
Thank you brother for sharing this. Hopefully you'll find all the power to end up the winner.
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I am relieved. That wasn't as bad as I expected.
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[deleted] 7y ago
I don't understand keylogging obsession. She has cheated - break up, move on. You have shit to do.
Also you show weakness not when you were sick with flu but when you start to persuade her about your new shiny engineering job
'we did discuss what my work-life balance was going to look like if I took this position' - this is bullcrap. You supposed to say 'I'm going to do this. You either get over it or get the fuck out'.
Also you obviously let yourself down again when you start thinking that 'I was too weak, pressure is too high, we moved to sex 1 a week'. There is nothing hard in fitting your dick inside someone else vagina. It relieves stress too.
Obviously you assumed beta role in your relationships thats how you increased you chances of being cheated at. The actual cheating is just a matter of time in your circumstances. And finally the moment happened.
Don't be a pussy next time. Nobody will cheat on you. Or if they will - you fucking beat the shit out of them with your hands and legs.
Be a man.
[deleted] 7y ago
Definitely a little chaotic to read that whole thing but the message is clear. That shit is fucked.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
I only have one thing to add..
The one a cheater always a cheater thing, yeah every girl is a cheater. No matter what you think, she will cheat without a second thought with only opportunity and plausible deniability. Then she will say she has been looking to break up for a long time, and blame it all on you.
If you think otherwise, then you don't have enough experience. Wait for it, you'll see.
[deleted] 7y ago
So when a EC says all women are cheaters, it's fine. But when I say all women are cheaters and non are loyal, I get downvoted. Hm....
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Might be how you're saying it. Notice that I said given opportunity and plausible deniability and they will cheat, without that more than a few won't do anything to lose the meal ticket. Those others will only try to branch swing, and if they can't for whatever reason, they will be good.
The thing is you can't know when her opportunities will arise. You're not there 24/7/365. Even the nicest best behaved girl can lose her fucking mind and swing to a low smv loser if he appears better in some way. It's how they're wired. Always looking to trade up, and often delusional about what they can get.
[deleted] 7y ago
Im so fucking mad after reading this post. Holly fucking shit. The thing is I unconsciously always knew what you are saying is true. Woman cheat given the opportunity. But I never actually wanted to believe it.
Fuck how do you cope with this?
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Easy, you realize that there is no shortage of girls, a million worldwide turn 18 every day.
You never commit, never give a fuck, and bear in mind it's only a matter of time before she cheats. Don't dwell on it, but understand that every girl is capable of cheating without remorse. Limit your ties to them and enjoy your time with them for what it is, superficial and sexual at best.
I have a few girls in friends with and a couple will be friends even after we aren't fucking because they're fun to be around. Most don't qualify as such, and that's OK. They're fun to fuck and enjoy for the time they are with you.
thisornothing 7y ago
You work around it. You fuck them, move on, and focus on your own damn life.
[deleted] 7y ago
Fuck reading this made me cry a bit. Woman's true colours finally clicked in my head. Im all in TRP baby. Lets fucking go.
[deleted] 7y ago
OP, what was the name of the keylogger you used?
Sucks about what happened - the lack of any real remorse or responsibility is what gets me. Her biggest concern is what vacation she'll take next - pretty disgusting.
kalo_asmi 7y ago
That's the only thing I want to know. OP, which keylogger was it? Some keyloggers can't be completely hidden. Others come from suspicious sources, might be botnet bait. Specifically I need one that works across Windows accounts.
vagbutters 7y ago
Edit: There's one thing about this story that does make me suspicious though-- why is she still using your computer after breaking up, why are you going back to your own apartment to get your things? If the devil is in the details, this is satan's bunghole in terms of this story being a sham.
ihaveameme 7y ago
She's using my computer because she has used my computer for over a year (it was an extra, I have multiple), and hers sucks. Since that was a habit of hers I figured she would use mine yet again, and I was right.
As for the apartment, we lived together, and I didn't want to see her that day and had an offer to stay with a friend for a few days, so obviously I jumped on that.
Not that I need to justify this at all, you can believe it or deny it, it's up to you. I don't have enough time in my life to make up an entire fake key log for internet points.
vagbutters 7y ago
That's not why I questioned it. There are lots of fat males who come on this sub to troll.
rife_omeqa 7y ago
She's not evil or crazy or a despicable human being as some posters in here are claiming.
She's a woman and women gonna women. AF/BB isn't just a handy catchphrase to describe a Chad and a beta. It's a name given to the phenomena that women classify all men as Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks. Those classifications exist to all women because that's what all women need. That's why it's universal and now, a cliche.
It doesn't sound like OP and her had an untenable relationship or ran into serious problems from a personality standpoint. There was no mention of aggravations, privations or fighting. She was just bored.
She touched another guys dick, probably with the inside of her belly button, but the bottom line is she sought Alpha Fucks tingles from someone other than OP because OP wasn't providing that to her, for whatever reason.
Expect women to always be faithful to themselves and thus their needs. One of those needs is a good dicking on the regular. Either provide that or expect someone else to.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
Dude all that text and there's only one thing she said that's worth commenting on:
You didn't fuck her good enough. When you genuinely fuck women properly things are different. That's your fucking job as a man and this is going to keep happening to you until you figure out how to fix it.
[deleted] 7y ago
No they're not. All women cheat or leave eventually, no matter how much of an alpha sex god you are.
thisornothing 7y ago
They all eventually have a perpetual "the grass might be greener on the other side" subconscious mentality to sex. You might be her best, but she'll eventually wonder if there's better, even if she won't admit it.
[deleted] 7y ago
Yup. She isn't yours, its your turn.
FeeFeeFeaster 7y ago
Of course, if you ignore this advice and do that before 30 anyway, you'll learn your lesson early and be able to live the rest of your life in peace and on your terms.
hennyhendrix 7y ago
Shit that is rough man. These hoes ain't loyal.
[deleted] 7y ago
Jesus fucking Christ... I'm gonna go to the gym.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 7y ago
Thank you for this, it's exactly what I needed to hear. Today I have started to truly internalize the "all women are sluts" mentality. Sorry it had to happen to you but we can all learn from this.
[deleted] 7y ago
You forgot some more lessons learned: Women don't truly like monogamy All women cheat Never trust a woman Never love or care about a woman
Stories_of_Red 7y ago
Very broadyly stated, women love your monogamy, if you are the apex alpha and other women hate them for having a monogamous apex alpha. Otherwise, they are okay with to accepting your monogamy, if you are anything less than than apex alpha, and they see your monogamy as a necessary precondition to them sticking around, for now...until something better comes along. But their monogamy? Well, that is a commitment that can be revoked as and when it suits them.
TLDR: Briffault's law.
gonorealover 7y ago
Monogamy is not natural . It doesnt work .
Monogamy was created by bluepill men who couldnt get laid.
This is not my opinion. This is biology . This is nature.
Stories_of_Red 7y ago
Your screen name is definitely ironic in this instance.
rebuildingMyself 7y ago
Monogamy was created because it raises the best children for a productive society. Sure, we can argue technology and whatnot has changed the landscape a bit. It is not in our nature to stay with someone for a lifetime, but it is in society's best interest that most choose this.
A general is nothing without his soldiers. Beta men who have a wife and kids and a mortgage are more willing to shut up and keep working the decently paying but soulless corporate jobs. Compound this across society and you have a decent output to compete globally. Societies that let their women run wild collapsed as you have harems and frustrated betas that don't give a shit.
We are already seeing the effects on beta men now that feminism has unleashed women's feral instincts onto the world unrestrained. Women aren't worth committing to nowadays, so men don't. Beta men are happy to jerk off their sexual urges and continue pursuing whatever their hobbies are. Alpha men are happy to line up sluts and get his rocks off before pursuing whatever hobbies he has.
As these sluts hit the wall they begin to realize just how useless they are to a society.
ithoughtyoudbemad 7y ago
I was there half a year ago, always questioned posting my logs and stuff but decided against it. Be enlightened and understand your path. Gl mate.
Temptationn 7y ago
What program did you use to get this? I'd like to install it on my girlfriends mac
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[deleted] 7y ago
There's no need for that. She'll cheat whenever she feels like cheating. Installing GPS trackers and keyloggers is pretty pointless, if you ask me.
Keep in mind that she's not yours, it's just your turn.
RealHumanHere 7y ago
At least with a keylogger you get to know when your turn has passed, so you can avoid potential STDs, do damage control beforehand, etc.
This was my case, she cheated but still was willing to sleep with me (fucking bareback) as she hadn't been brave enough to tell me. I avoided it thanks to having read her keylogs, and luckily I still don't have Herpes. And yes this is a true story.
Dookiestain_LaFlair 7y ago
Canceling England? The Mohammedans already did that for you.
prodigy2throw 7y ago
Nothing sadder than a thirsty woman...
Chris_Phoenix 7y ago
This shit right here is why we're all checking out of relationships. Thank you for the post, it was insightful and nice to take my daily dose of TRP lest I start forgetting that they really are all like that
[deleted] 7y ago
Bro I understand what you're going through.
Basically you have to make a decision: do you want to be a serial monogamist, or an outcome independent non-monogamist?
If it's the former, which I will assume is the case, Coach Corey Wayne is your man. He advises on cheaters to a great degree. It is a question of values, and you can find out if a woman is one during courtship with some ease by just asking about previous relationships. More than likely, she will admit it at some point. My ex-unicorn was known to do it, and unfortunately for me it didn't come out until I was in too deep. Poor bastard marrying her has absolutely no idea what he's getting into.
If it's the latter, BlackDragon is your man. He preaches lifelong non-monogamy and that is the course I am taking. Married plate last night said if I wanted her all to myself I could have her...then I say I'm non-monogamous. Next thing out of her mouth?
"Well I might just have to go to X bar and get [guy she fucked before me] and fuck him." --- Shit test.
My response?
"Oh, okay, that's great! Have some fun, he could probably use a lay."
Possessiveness creates the hell, bondage, struggle, misery, drama, rules, etc. Freedom is attractive.
ihaveameme 7y ago
You know, I can see why the latter you mention is attractive, especially to people in the startup world. I've learned from a decade in startups that I only have so many hours in the day to get things done. It feels wasteful spending a few hours every day placating the neediness of a partner that lives with me, only to have them go toss the whole relationship aside for the next shiny plaything.
However, I'm not sure I can be as unattached as you with someone I'm intimate with. If I'm going to spend time with them, I'd rather just go all in until the relationship runs its course and we both move on with our lives (as happened here, albeit rather unfortunately).
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seeing-red- 7y ago
This is excellent tits or gtfo material, thanks
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
do you mean he just should have been honest with her and said he wanted to break up?
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ihaveameme 7y ago
You have a really good point. After this happened, my brain, as they all do, go into overdrive processing the how and why and all that. That process trudged up a lot of memories of flags I definitely should have seen, but you know what they say about hindsight.
The good news is I think this was the farthest on the shitty person spectrum I can go.
FAwhy 7y ago
What were some of the red flags that you missed?
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JackGetsIt 7y ago
This is solid; but it comes more naturally to some. It also takes life experience (aka failure) to get good at.
With all due respect men can't really do this. Men who share their emotions and weaknesses with women lose sexual interest from those mates over the long run. I don't really like this aspect of relationships because I myself am a bit of a 'sensy'
For men this is the ultimate fantasy; finding a women who 'sees' and embraces who they really are with no ulterior motives is intoxicating. Finding a women who then nurtures them and loves them unconditionally is ingrained in us and we will fight to the death to defend that women. This again is untenable. Women lose interests when they see male weaknesses. Women lose that un-explainable attraction and bond when they feel equal or above their mate. It may take 5 or 10 years but it happens. The only solution is for men to always be stoic and driven; it's our cross to bear and women of course have their crosses as well...
Benny757 7y ago
I actually appreciate comments from women here on this sub because it provides prospective to the commentary. It also enforces one of the teachings on Red Pill which is that women simply "love" differently than men. Men in the blue pill age have been educated and indoctrinated into a false sense of biological psychology. Women, have organized, were successful at it, and have changed the dichotomy of the modern relationship between men and women. In the US, it is not for the better, because we still live in a very volatile world, and bad things, broad scale can and will still happen. Then everybody is up shit creek.
Reminder of history lessons here. The books and web are crammed full of bad shit happening. It's just a matter of time. Humans deal in war, poverty, famine, plague, disaster, and catastrophe.
The one thing I'll criticize about Lucille's post. Immediately she focuses the factual situation on her being flown interstate by an almost billionaire. Again the sense of AWALT mentality. Is billionaire boy any better? Of course not. But he ain't posting on here.
And so I ask about the Swedish model. What did she have to offer this boy of yours, financially or otherwise? He bought her ticket home to her parents. Noble of him. Why does he owe her anything? Why can't she owe him? She wants equal rights. Let her have them. I mean, it's the perfect argument for feminism. She goes home. He doesn't owe her shit.
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Benny757 7y ago
So you do see, the cat's out of the bag, right? At least in my opinion, that is why this discussion reddit exists. I know you've read it a 100 times. Go read the side bar. Read the top 200 posts. We are done.
You should have bought your own ticket and met him half way. So should she have.
You did offer to reimburse him, and sent a check, right? You gotta pay for your "fun weekend" right? You did do that, didn't you?
MORAL HUMAN - I don't believe that expounding is allowed here. This is a sub proffering strategy that works, and strategy that does not work. It's not "immoral," it's "amoral."
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Benny757 7y ago
So you took him to Olive Garden?? That lucky! You vixen.... ;)
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You're a woman. Your words have no use here. The fact he got rid of her so quick actually turned you on deep down. I don't know why the fuck bitches have been commenting on TRP lately.
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I hope you like old milfs, she's pretty fat and in her 50s.
Benny757 7y ago
This was rude. And unnecessary. Quit while you are ahead.
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Benny757 7y ago
Such a Machiavellian you are. Hmmmm. Cleopatra, is that you?
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NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
because he was going to see a doctor when his health insurance kicks in in a week
Sorry off topic (eat me):
I'm no commie, but thank Tommy Douglas for the FREEDOM Public health care provides. I can move jobs here in Canada , quit jobs and no employer can ever really have the kind of hold over me that they SEEM to in the states. Fuck the government yup, but FUCK Insurance companies in the worst way possible.
ihaveameme 7y ago
Welcome to America, where I could have paid out over 1200/month through COBRA to hold on to my past insurance for a few months waiting for the new one to come. Fuck that, I'm in fine enough shape.
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I'm obviously biased, but I agree with you. I'd make more money in the USA, but I don't think could work in that system.
But yeah, pretty far off-topic.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
good thing we now have obamacare which says you have to pay for worthless overpriced health insurance which you can't take from job to job
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Wel108 7y ago
She doesn't love you. She does not love you. She loves the way you make her feeeeel.
Gotta own your shit bro. Sounds like you had a bad one though, she was almost bragging. You're the man for putting that key logger though, that shit helps with the male hamster.
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First of all show that log to your friend that your ex-bitch was attempting to convince her friend to cheat on your friend. This woman is up there on the evil-scale. Of course don't do this to hurt her, that is a weak move. Merely do this to help fellow man who also happens to be your friend. This woman is literally going out saying 'it's wrong but cheat because it's quicker way to end things'.
She takes all the AWALT rules that we usually amplify and exaggerate a little to make a point (most women are not that bad, varying degrees, AWALT is a safety measure) and she actually lives it out just as prescribed here. Don't feel bad. This woman, she will not be able to pair-bond. She will be miserable. Ever eat a good meal then forget about it a day later? That's how sex is with women, it's not as much of a big deal for them. Don't sweat it, she's going to be unhappy with the guys who won't commit to her and the betas who do commit she will be unhappy with them too. Cheating mentality is set in, she won't have a stable relationship ever again and this is what women desire most is the commitment of one man they deem alpha. Every time the horse drinks the well goes dry kinda of thing.
Focus on yourself, you dodged a bullet like it was in the Matrix. Imagine if she was able to take money from you legally? A woman like this would have divorce raped you so hard. Live and learn, hope the pain doesn't last long for you.
ihaveameme 7y ago
Way ahead of you on showing it to my friend. The first thing I did after I read this was send him a copy and told him that I'd want him to do the same if he ever came across something like that.
I was told he confronted her about it. They're still together, so it's on him at this point.
RMK24 7y ago
Man, some of you guys date the dumbest chicks ever.
LeftShark86 7y ago
Sorry you had to go through this man. She lies to you. She lies to her friends. She lies to herself. It doesn't matter if things are perfect or terrible. She's shit and will act like shit regardless.
NotUpToAnythingGood 7y ago
Seeing this makes me glad that I have the woman I do in my life. Yes, I'm married but she takes care of me. If I'm sick, she makes sure I'm taken care of to get well quickly. She insists that I have my own space and hobbies (her words: that allows you to be more you, which I like)
I'm not saying she couldn't do the things like happened to the OP but continued, demonstrated, increasing value presented to a worthwhile woman and she's far more likely to stick around.
Hell, she drove 10 hours one way just see me over the weekend because I'm on work travel.
The problem? Worthwhile women are few and far between nowadays.
The above said, I've seen similar behavior (OP's ex-LTR) from a plate as well as hearing about it from friends who didn't see it coming. It's all painfully obvious knowing what I do now.
Not much to do except enjoy the decline (such as it is) and protect yourself.
ihaveameme 7y ago
This was a really shitty person. Sounds like you're married to a not shitty person, so your odds are much better than mine could have ever been.
I wish you luck!
NotUpToAnythingGood 7y ago
Thank you!
She's a traditional sort of woman. Her parents grew up in the early '40s. Her family is a military family. As a whole they take the concepts of Honor, Commitment, and Honesty seriously. Very similar to my upbringing.
That's not to say I've never seen many of the behaviors we attribute to AWALT. I have and it's typically over little shit that is inconsequential.
Her only requirement of me is that I take care of her and the kids. Beyond that, I can do whatever I want. Which is her saying she wants a solid provider and someone who makes the panties wet. I do that for her.
I can rely on her to run things when I'm not around. We live the Captain & First Mate roles. It helps that we were both US Navy so we get what it means to have / fill those roles.
I'm with many of the guys here though. Marriage is a bum deal nowawdays. I wouldn't recommend it because it's easy to screw things up. The marriage industry being set up to encourage bad behavior and screwing people over does NOT help at all. I've got a good one and the fact that I stumbled into it as a clueless schlub when I was 20 years old still amazes me.
Too many women today are of the mindset "What's in it for me?" instead of "What's in it for us?"
RealHumanHere 7y ago
My woman was like that, hell, even better. I got her keylogs once, she was cheating.
You should never ever let your guard down, I've been with a good number of women, and I could've never ever expected her to be the cheater type, I even was her first. It never is like you think it is.
NotUpToAnythingGood 7y ago
I'm the network admin in the house. I also manage our cell phones.
I've seen nothing unusual or anything that would raise any alarms.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
do you provide her with all the sex she needs
NotUpToAnythingGood 7y ago
Yes, I do. She gives me enthusiastic sex pretty much whenever I want. I generally want it more than she does.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
Women: "do guys honestly like girls with huge breasts? Ugh come on!"
Also Women: "oh yeah he had a way bigger dick"
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Wheyman92 7y ago
I mean. I think I might be one of those guys who doesnt really care about size. Big tits, small tits, like em both. Big ass small ass, like em both. (the small ass does have to look good proportionally though, but im okay with my hand covering half of it) That might be similar to girls who say they dont care about dick size, but obviously dont want a micro penis?
All in all if I think a chick is pretty im gonna fuck her, dont care whats her race, height, whatever the fuck.
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KM31548 7y ago
Yeah what routine did you use bro.
killer2538 7y ago
How did you go from 5.5 to 7? I'm actually curious
the_number_2 7y ago
Don't listen to this bollocks. It's physically impossible to increase the size of your dick through pumps and pills.
Lotions will make it bigger but only for a few minutes.
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wimmyjales 7y ago
Bitch, get outta here with that shit. That got debunked AGES ago.
Wheyman92 7y ago
I mean, I'm sure penis size does matter to an extenet. I'm your average 6 inch dude.
My whole thing about dick size is that it is completely irrelevant in getting a chick for the first time. That is where 90% of the frustration with blue pill guys comes from, is being able ot land a girl. Your game and frame and charisma and looks are responsible for that, not your dick size. I got a boy with an 8 inch cock, shit is massive, but hes a scrawny little dude who I've never seen with a real attractive chick and who cannot readily approach attractive females and snag them.
When it comes to please women in bed, I've nver really had a problem with it. Passion, talking dirty, rough handling, and other bedroom tactics are more important imo than having 2 inches more. WHo knows, who cares. Either she cums or she doesnt, either way I'm going to. If she likes it she'll stick around, if she doesnt...again, who cares?
And no matter what, when youre with a girl, they will RAVE about your dick. When things end, no matter how bad or good it ended, they WILL talk shit about your dick because most men are so emotionally attached to it and their egos. They dont even care about the dick, they care about saying things they perceive will hurt you.
BUt yeah, growing your dick is cool bro lol ngl
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Wheyman92 7y ago
Good point. SO theres some beginner guides on that site. How long did it take for you to see results? Im an avid gym goer so I know any change in the body takes time, just uh...dont know how that works with your wanker lol
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
You're telling me this isn't normal? I wish I knew I had a big dick sooner lol
Edit: lol some guy with insecurities is down voting me
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awalt_cupcake 7y ago
for real though it's still not big enough to prevent exes from cheating on me and them find a guy who's even bigger than 7+
marty2k 7y ago
A big dick doesn't matter too much for sex. Plenty of positions to make up for it. Motion of the ocean and what not. You can do some fun stuff with a bigger dick, but an average dick can do just as good a job with someone who knows what they're doing. And this is coming from a black dude.
What does matter is the visual. It's more threatening, more aggressive, more impressive, it lends itself to an alpha more than a beta. (Are there any studies linking testosterone to penis size? I'd be willing to bet money there's something there.) They expect alpha men to have big cocks, so in turn they expect men with big cocks to be alpha. Just like big tits have nothing to do with sex other than fun things to look and play with, a big cock just adds to the alphaness and a small one takes away from it.
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marty2k 7y ago
My dicks little less than 6" at last check. Fairly thick but I'm no mandingo.
But my blackness makes women think it's bigger than it is. I've had estimates as high as 9" before (really think, how many women do you know really ever have to measure anything?) I get the residual big dick vibe from other hung black dudes, and they act just like I'm fucking them with a foot long. Only hood girls who fuck other niggas all day catch on.
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Readinglevelup 7y ago
So, can we talk about how to avoid this situation? This might not be popular on TRP, but eventually, I want to get married and have kids. Since marriage is TRP on steroids, I think we should talk about how to handle LTRs and wives a bit. Instead of pointing out the terrible things that can happen in LTRs (not saying you posted this to complain). I've seen a few posts about some dudes getting sick and then their LTRs would cheat on them. But nobody talks about how to avoid this from happening (the solution doesn't seem easy to figure out, I admit).
So, essentially what happened here was that you got a job that required lots of hours and at one point you got sick, which made you seem weaker in her eyes. What do you do to avoid this? Act like you aren't sick or tired and give her the same attention you gave before you got your new job? I haven't put too much thought into it, but I'll think about it. Anyone else have any idea on how to avoid OPs fate?
thisornothing 7y ago
I just wouldn't ever look to get seriously involved with a woman for more than a few months.
It's not worth it. AWALT.
cheeky_throwaway101 7y ago
Jesus dude, how many horror stories do you have to read before you realise marriage is an incredibly stupid idea? Honestly, what will you get out of marriage?
In terms of answering your question, you cannot stop something that is completely out of your control. Like living at the bottom of a volcano or an earthquake zone, you can only prepare yourself for when it inevitably erupts. Or i don't know just don't fucking live near a volcano!
Readinglevelup 7y ago
It's not the marriage that I want, it's the children. And I don't want to raise them with divorced parents.
Honestly, I feel like most of TRP is just giving up because it's hard to deal with. A lot of marriages with kids work out and maybe there is a luck factor, but I'm sure there are things we can figure out that all those marriages have.
It's true that these things will happen (getting sick). But I don't believe that there's nothing we can do to stop the LTR from leaving because of it. How we handle the situation can have a massive impact. If you act like you're not very fazed by it vs acting like it's the end of the world, the latter will definitely have a much more negative impact on your value in her eyes. There are things you can do will this "bad thing" happens to you that lessens the impact to your value. On top of that, I'm sure there are things you can do beforehand to help yourself out in case something bad happens. If OP would have either picked a job that wasn't as time-consuming and draining, maybe none of this would have happened. In OPs case, I honestly think it has more to do with how he handled being drained from work and getting sick was just a cherry on top. His SMV clearly plummeted for 2 months after he got the job. I feel like he could have avoided this from happening, but we don't know the full story, so we can conclude much.
Bpgiissues 7y ago
This is in response to the idea of using a surrogate. I have kids. They are awesome. I'm divorced with 50% custody. To be honest for the most part I'm way happier with the situation than before the split. My relationship with the kids is way better. I spend better quality time with them. Divorced with significant time with the kids beats 100% time in a shitty relationship with a shitty woman.
That's the good part. Being a single dad is brutal. You still have a full time job. You don't have the support network of millions of single moms or other moms to take your kids for a while. If I'm 100% honest I like having it 50%. If it was 100% I would most likely be over stressed and not anywhere near as good a dad.
Also my ex makes good money. We have no money going either way and we basically split the expenses 50/50. I make very good money. I am still happy to be only responsible for 50%.
I get times to do things myself that I enjoy. I can still exercise regularly.
Point being think damn hard about going the surrogate route. I got lucky in my divorce. While she typifies the ultra successful empowered woman and I had the predictable results, might be advisable to make sure the woman you have kids with can make her own money.
Also think about what your time looks like. Kids are awake from 7-8:30. You are responsible for getting them ready providing them dinner and then doing anything else with them. Somewhere in there you need to commute get yourself ready for work, work run errands and then actually work. Even 9-5 is a challenge at the office on days when I'm responsible for them both in the morning and night.
Readinglevelup 7y ago
Thanks for the insight, I will definitely take it into consideration!
cheeky_throwaway101 7y ago
Mate, either you are a teenager, living in cloud cuckoo land or completely naive. If you think you can keep up a constant perfect embodiment of a man with all the competition that you have from other males/social media/media manipulation, then I've got some bad news for you. I can see that no words of advice will get through to you. You will have to experience it for yourself. It is your path do it.
"A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from others."
If you want kids so badly like I do one day, organise to have them made in vitro. There is zero risk of losing them to a bitter shrew. You are looking at the whole situation with logic.
"If I do a), then I will get b)" It simply does not work like that for women. They do not base their actions on logic and no amount of dread gaming, stoicism or perfect muscular stature will stop a woman from seeking out some strange dick if you lose your job, or become ill. The risks far outweigh the positives. Again, I say all this, it simply won't get through, I am fighting a lost cause but I can tell you that all of my male friends have been divorced or cheated on and some of them are the most "alpha" (whatever the fuck that means) of guys I have ever met.
Readinglevelup 7y ago
I'm not a teenager or naive, I'm simply trying to understand the situation. There are countries (not counting fucked up countries like Saudi Arabia) with much lower divorce rates than the US, I'm trying to understand why. Those countries all have the same chance of a man getting sick.
You're right, I am looking at it from a logical perspective, but that doesn't mean I'm not taking into consideration a women's feelings. I know they aren't logical, but I'm not gonna discard the idea that there are things you can do to lower the chances of her catching bad feelings and then divorcing you. If I get a wife that wants to stay at home, maybe her chances of meeting men like the one OP's LTR met will go down. If I live in a country with weaker men like in Japan or Sweden, my SMV will most likely be higher than most men even if I get sick or something (provided I don't start acting like a bitch because of it). Another example would be urban vs rural since divorce rates are lower in rural areas. I definitely feel like there are ways to set things up so that even if you get sick or lose a job, you can lower the chances of a divorce.
In vitro is an interesting idea and I've considered it, but I don't want to raise a child as a single parent. There are too many studies that show the negative effects of single parents raising a child that I couldn't do it. Giving birth to a child knowing he'll be worse off than kids with two parents is almost child abuse...
DoesNotMatterAnymore 7y ago
I know this differs country by country, but in my country asking someone how much they earn is incredibly rude. But in one of the Scandinavian country (don't know which one) it's absolutely ok, and people share it openly.
My point is, why someone shares this information with his gf?
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
in USA, not sure about Scandinavia, most guys have no good job and not much money, but if one does have a great job and pkenty of money, well it helps you in the ladies dept, why hide it. No I am not saying give the woman all your money or be stupid with it. But if you are an alpha, why hide it.
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Thanks. I sometimes open these threads specifically to remind myself why I should never seek anything more than plates. This was a good dose of the old TRP.
Mudpielol 7y ago
downvote me to hell, but being in a monogamous relationship with someone and having sex once a week? fuck that, I'm out.
Which she could have done, but she didn't.
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lakalahehe 7y ago
Maybe you need to check your self-therapy standards.
Anger phase is not a normality of sanity.
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Maybe you need to check your balls.
Anger is a perfectly masculine and natural emotion, and there are healthy ways of dealing with it and letting it out, such as ranting on a public forum. Suppressing anger for too long and too often can cause a great deal of depression and anxiety.
Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 7y ago
I see no need to get angry. I've unconsciously known this since the 1990s when it was even easier to get chat logs.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
anger is a raw emotion, I know logically getting mad does no good but it's still hard to avoid. I literally remind myself to take a deep breath with things like this.
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PantsonFire1234 7y ago
She didn't get the tingles from him and she sounds like the type that would just quit her job and move to a city in a heartbeat. Not the kind of stable woman you'd want to LTR.
OP said he sometimes thought she was a sociopath.
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PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Yeah women love to compartmentalize
perdill 7y ago
4-7-8 also great for falling asleep quickly.
B_uckets 7y ago
Monthly reminder: Women will intentionally destroy a relationship just so they feel less guilty about cheating.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
If it seems like your girlfriend is trying to make both of you less happy, chances are she's up to no good. Start digging for evidence and/or packing your bags.
beachbbqlover 7y ago
Part of hamstering/rationalization.
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PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Spot on. My 'pretend relationship' broke down near the end of College. I would still be studying and she finished her lowly community college- so she jumped off.
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The cold, harsh, undesirable, and honest truth of the OPs post is that an LTR today is self delusion.
If I lived in a world where men could order a blowjob from a Columbian HB10 from a smartphone with two clicks, id never commit to a woman again no matter how hot or smart she is.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and in an LTR females have absolute social and personal power.
Go ahead men, enforce your boundaries! Put your foot down! Tell the girlfriend who's boss. She'll be riding a richer, bigger, and more compliant dick before sundown.
My personal philosophy; women are like drinks from a vending machine.
You get thirsty, you put in X dollars and get Y drink. You drink the drink and move on with life. Sometimes the machine gliches and you get 2 drinks for the price of one. More often, you put in your money and don't get shit.
Regardless of how you got your drink, what you don't do is commit to the fucking spent can.
B_uckets 7y ago
I don't agree. In any relationship, the person who cares less has all the power.
That's why Patrice O'Neal always said something like "The perfect relationship is one where the woman loves the man, but the man only likes her."
103342 7y ago
I follow your philosophy 100%.
enforcing boudaries, and "training" your woman (besides being a lot of work) rarely pays off. It is stupid also because A LOT of them are damaged from the start.
I still enjoy women and all. I love sex and pussy, but I'm not commiting to one. I know what goes on on the other side and it is not pretty at all.
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I follow the same. LTRs aren't worth the time, effort or energy. All women are sluts, destructive, sociopathic, incapable of love or empathy for you. They're not faithful, loyal, interesting, you can't have actual conversations with them, you can't trust them. What the fuck are they useful for besides sex or kids! Why woul you care about a creature like that?
Fuck em, dump em. Use em, abuse em, lose em. Move on.
TheReformist94 7y ago
Which means that TRP's main tenet of men holding commitment is shite as they don't want it,couldn't care less,and whatever you do they can just walk off and fuck another dick
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 7y ago
I'd like to agree with that but for me it brings up the question, why do they ask for it? Even high quality ones will sometimes.
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They want resources so they can feel safe while they go fuck other dudes and have a fall back. Plus it shows other women they're worthy enough of getting an alpha mate.
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This exactly. Women want to be used, abused, hurt emotionally an physically and given tingles, and then disposed of.
TheReformist94 7y ago
When I'm 34 and I got my shit together I'm gonna run the nastiest dread and psychological shit so she's constantly scared I'll dump her on her post wall ass.
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So you agree that its idiotic for men, redpill especially, to do LTRs? Do you believe all women cheat?
Women are hypergamous, pretending to be monogamous. Men are polygamous, but we're capable of monogamy.
My mind set on women is : Use it, Abuse it, Lose it. Fuck her till I'm tired of doing so, get rid of her, get another. Monogamy and relationships are a joke. Women are not loyal. I'm content with fucking sluts forever honestly. Women just want to be used and abused, and I'm perfect for the job.
gonorealover 7y ago
They are children . They shouldnt even have half of the rights they possess . A dog is more reliable than a woman .
rebuildingMyself 7y ago
Children born with gold between their legs.
Their curse is they are blessed with all their assets right out of puberty but lack the maturity to wield it properly.
Men earn just about all the assets they associate themselves with, good or bad.
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They don't deserve any rights. They're useful for breeding and sex only. We should sell them and trade them like cattle.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
Dude, you're spewing anger all over this thread. Put down the Internet for a bit. You're in your anger phase and need to get some control.
You'll get there. Be strong.
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I'm not angry. Just practical.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
You said women are only useful for breeding and sex and that you want to sell and trade them like an animal. That's clearly you in your anger phase because that's a really dehumanizing thought. You're not using logic, you're letting emotion take over.
Women aren't stupid and one of them will get the better of you if you think that way.
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I'm not angry though. I just don't see them as humans the same way I see men. Who gives a fuck if I dehumanize women? I'm not letting emotion take over. The world would be much better, men could get SOOOOOO much more done if women weren't in the way making it hard to focus at work because of their drama and being threatened by sexual harassment laws, not having to deal with female bullshit in general. Women siphon away male creativity, innovation and time and resources. If we just sold them as property things would be much easier, and men could focus on other things.
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Also, what kind of music do you make mate?
CornyHoosier 7y ago
I play mostly woodwind instruments, the saxophone family being my best. Primarily jazz being my favorite. I also got a Fender banjo (odd, right?) for Christmas that I've been trying to learn. I'm getting finger rolls down pretty well and hope to take it with me on my trip to Tokyo in the Fall. I enjoy giving foreigners their picture perfect American when I travel overseas. I think a banjo will top it off nicely. Ha!
You jam out on anything?
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Haha I sing r&b/pop/soul/pretty much anything. I started singing last summer for like 2 months, stopped because I had to leave the chorus group because this feminist chick accused me of sexual harassment, so I got out of there ASAP. I started singing again like two weeks ago, I sing like the weeknd/prince/a young Michael Jackson. My mom cuts hair and one of her customers is a producer who wants to menor me and teach me how to play, write music, sing, and improve my voice this summer. I'm psyched to make music for the first time, I love music so fucking much.
My dream is to be the next MJ-Tier Artist. I wanna learn some instruments too. I sing r&b but I'm thinking of trying out for a couple local metal/hardcore bands for the experience.
And I wanna visit Japan one day. Dragon Ball Z + Asian Cuisine + Skinny Japanese sluts = ❤
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Women are human beings that have exactly the same rights as men.
LancerKagato 7y ago
more rights in most western countries
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Nah. By far and large, they're worthless human trash pretty much only good for babies and sex. They should not have the same rights as men. Thats the same thing that got us into this gynocentric feminist "equal society" predicament in the first place. No society can flourish where women have the same rights as men. It doesnt match the natural laws of nature where men are dominant and superior, and women are submissive and inferior.
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I was not asking you. I was telling you.
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HAHAHAHA. I guess Someone thinks they have some type of authority on the internet. ooh, that stern tone hurts me so much, Mr. Internet Gangster
alecesne 7y ago
I think what he's getting at is legal rights. What people do socially is one thing. What the government imposes is another.
When you look at family law, the problem is that the pendulum has swung in the other direction, placing default burdens on men and giving women the benefit of the doubt.
You're entitled to your opinion, and he to his. We're all adults here, and that what makes this such a good place discussion.
In my opinion, we should encourage a legal system that is neutral as to opportunity and expectations; its up to each citizen to either succeed or fail within that system.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
children custody rights laws are unfair but they don't have it coded anywhere, spelled out in the law, that women have more rights, but that is what happens in practice. And one of the reasons is most people are apathetic about this topic, only women care mostly, I don't plan on having kids, don't want them, so I don't care about the child custody topic. But I also realize I shold because what goes around comes around. A red pill kind of wake up call if you will. If men keep losing child custody rights maybe they lose other rights that I would prefer we keep.
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Oh, okah. Fair enough. I think we should have a legal system like Islam when it comes to female rights. Women must be subjected to male authority at all times or a society cannot thrive. And haha, I'm not an adult. I'm 16.
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All human beings have exactly the same set of rights. Lol
haxurmind 7y ago
Some animals are more equal than others.
It's how those rights are enforced that creates the mess we have today (divorce, alimony, child custody laws). Even sentencing laws are not without inequality, as women have lighter punishments than men in general.
Finally, there is the 'women are wonderful' effect for them to call upon.
In short; you are right on paper but wrong in practice.
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No the fuck we dont lmao. Says who? You don't get value just for eexisting. Those lazy bums on the street with no knowledge or value are worthless. Not all human beings deserve rights.
TheReformist94 7y ago
Women are not monogamous at all.they can't commit to one dick.they don't catch feelings and bond like men do.
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Yup. They pretend to be though.
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Every man who keylogs his bitch is forever unplugged. This is how you get to really know who she is
audscias 7y ago
Amen to that. Then it's when you discover what your "princess" is made of.
Hint: It's never anything good.
RealHumanHere 7y ago
So much this, this saved my fucking life man.
The woman I thought I'd marry, I was her first in HS, she looked perfect. One day I wondered why she never had any convos with guys in Whatsapp when she came to my place. She deleted them beforehand.
I may or (may not) have gotten a keylogger then. And damn fucking hell, she was telling these guys the same things she said shed only tell me: "You're the hottest guy I know", "You can convince me to do anything (meant sexually)", etc.
It was the hardest moment, when I swallowed the RP. She turned out to be a nasty, horrible person, but she was great at pretending to be a good girlfriend. She was insanely good at pretending to be a good girlfriend, remember this. I could've never have guessed this, she cooked everyday, she made tons of sacrifices.
IT NEVER IS like they show you. You never get to know a woman until you read her keylogs, no matter how good you think you know them, believe me.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
What kind of nasty shit did you read bro?
Ozymanberg 7y ago
How did you get a logger for her phone?
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Not only do they pretend to be good girls but plugged in men convince themselves of the girls purity while willfully ignoring all red flags that indicate otherwise. Thanks for sharing that
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"I touched his dick and then I passed out?" LOL, gold.
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darkrood 7y ago
I just touched her pussy then I passed out?!
(Bar closes behind me)
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Chaad de Thundercoque's dick was so powerful, one touch knocked her out cold.
DannyDemotta 7y ago
If OP was a millionaire or came from money, she probably would file charges and make up a story.
"There was something in my drink." "Somehow we ended up at the beach and he was all over me" "I told him to take me home, but he said he'd tell OP what we did, and he drove to his hotel instead" "I just felt so pressured the whole time" Etc etc.
Very sad.
Forcetobereckonedwit 7y ago
Oh God, if that wasn't so true it'd be really funny.
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ChrisBenRoy 7y ago
Goddamnit Jenny that whore!
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curious case of chad poisoncock
sigma272 7y ago
This is the best thing I've seen on reddit today
SafeWordIsCommitment 7y ago
She's not lying. She touched his dick with her lower intestines is what she meant. After she was done, she passed out. She technically told the truth.
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Oh god, this is too funny, shit there are tears running down my face from laughter.
wiseclockcounter 7y ago
guys, guys c'mon... OP is grieving over here.
But forreal OP, glad to see you're in proper fuck-that-bitch mode. I never went to such lengths to confirm my ex was cheating on me. Partly because at the time, I wouldn't have handled it well. But altogether, you just know. Fucking sucks though.
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You reduced the time spent with her and stopped giving her the amount sex she wanted. If the roles were reversed, we would tell you to next her.
The shitty part isn't that she decided to get action elsewhere. The shitty part is that she didn't dump you first.
Lesson learned
If you stop fucking her and stop paying attention to her then she'll either be unhappy or she'll find someone else.
All the rest is conflict avoidance and ego protection from both of you.
rebuildingMyself 7y ago
While I agree with the mindset, he gave her an easy out before he took on the extra workload. He said this is how it's going to be. She had every right to say "no, I want more in a relationship" but we all know that takes courage that most women will never have. She saw the bigger paycheck so kept the mask on.
The mistake was assuming this woman (or most women for that matter) have the mindset to think about consequences of the future. She'd rather be a slut and destroy everything violently than pull a bandaid quickly at the beginning. Hell, even just sitting the man down and breaking up with him, no matter how selfish the real reason, is far more honorable than going the slut route.
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exactly thats one of the few points of redpill im really not sold on. If you neglect your women she will leave. The same way and alpha would leave if she neglected him. Not all but a lot of stories of hypergamy on rp is about a women being neglected and just like an alpha male would, goes look elsewhere. Than guys on redpill start hamstering omg awalt this awalt that. Its important to look from the womens perpective , it helps you see why she does certain things, IMO guys and girls are much close behaviour wise than redpill puts out.
Contrary to what many guys are saying here , stop rationalazing that shes shitty and view youre behaviour that caused the consequences.
This is on you op.
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burkhart722 7y ago
This guy sees the whole picture.
thesixace 7y ago
I was seeing half of the picture until this post. I will utilize this lesson going forward.
idgaf- 7y ago
I agree, sounds like OP dropped the ball in the relationship. Maybe he went in with BP expectations of stability and loyalty. The woman just wanted to be fucked well, often, and in the ass. They are simple creatures, in a way.
Lessons learned:
Fuck her in the ass.
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Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
he should take her back for some quick sex and not care what else she does, don't try having relationships. not realistic.
bsutansalt 7y ago
Welcome to dating women. Everyone's experienced the hot-->cold change like a light switch in no time flat the way women do. Just part of their psyche I guess.
AlerioX 7y ago
Because of the 'keylogger' part of the story I just remember how my exgirlfriend installed Remote Administration Tools on the PCs of her friends while they were showering or doing other stuff, then she went over and we downloaded nude pics from those friends.
We were like Bonnie & Clyde.
I also had several nude pics + blowjob videos of her.
Then came the day when she told me I should delete everything because of 'safety purposes' ("what if you get hacked and all this stuff can be found on a pornsite?? delete it!!")
Just three weeks later she broke up.
And I was like "Damn, should have made a backup."
She was so good at sucking...those vids were legendary.
Remember guys: Never delete nudes of your ex (and her friends).
Those pics and vids can be useful somehow someday.
Now I always record the fucks with a hidden action cam.
Also makes me feel more safely when it comes to false rape charges.
Owenh1 7y ago
Yeah, good luck with that, because non consensual recording of sexual partners IS a crime, and you can and will be fined and put on the sex offenders list... Some people in here are retarded. Do you watch all those 'hidden cam' porn videos and think ooo that's so hot? Sorry but every girl knows they are being recorded in them. I feel sorry for those people, who have been recorded by you, only knowing that all it would take is a phone call to the police to get a creeper like you arrested and registered.
AlerioX 7y ago
It's nice how you defend the feminine site by raging against a person that is perpetuating evidence for consensual intercourse because of the possibility of crazy false rape allegations.
Even Roosh himself made a post about using a hidden cam for security in a state where the word of a woman stands above the law.
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My uncle is a lawyer and one of his client is serving 10 years because of that shit. He drunk texted after break up and threatened to upload their consensual vids but it being consensual didn't hold up in court.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
he got 10 years for a drunk text threatening to do it, not actually doing it?
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yup. police cloned his hard drive and there were tons of photos and videos and on some of them she was clearly drunk and wasted. Long story short the prosecutor charged him with rape + taping + blackmail. I'm not defending the guy anyway, it's not worth to fuck your life up over your ex's videos and photos. Go watch porn I'm sure it would be better and safer.
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Well that's what you should get for blackmailing someone, it's a shit thing to do.
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seattleron 7y ago
Jesus.
Holy fuck.
Not surprised.
Never getting married or having kids.
Jesus.
Fucking hell.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Come on man... trim out the crap or highlight the good bits... we're all busy people here.
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NightwingTRP 7y ago
Here's some highlights for me.
Women are both mentally and physically weak. They have no moral code because they're too mentally weak to enforce one upon themselves. This is why they require firm leadership from a man.
Women are conflict avoidant and lazy.
Women feel entitled to high quality sex without effort. They see it as the man's responsibility.
And straight onto Tinder. Women get dick so easily, it's not remotely impressive. I like to compare her first date with a new guy with the guy's first visit to the gym... because they're about similar levels of ease after a breakup.
There are no words.
Light switch.
This is just funny.
Are you still taking women seriously?
Because causing emotional pain to a man she sees as weak is funny to her.
This really is pure distilled feels-led hypergamy. It's worth reading the whole thing to remind yourself what's really going on.
ihaveameme 7y ago
That is a great analogy.
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ihaveameme 7y ago
I'm not sure of a good way to annotate the log--a lot of the RP insight comes from context. For example, her attitude switches 180 between talking with me and with her friend ("this relationship is worth saving" vs "I'm glad this is over" type stuff a few lines down)
Edit: Updated it with annotations, hopefully it's more readable now.
DownvotesCatposts 7y ago
It's all frame control. Everything is positive for her. She "tried to save the relationship" but then when you never came home "was glad it was over". How terribly convenient.
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Obviously shes saying that to her friend cuz youre ignoring her(which is a good thing) she sees she has no chance anymore so she trys to ratonalize her decison. Male and female do that.
cheeky_throwaway101 7y ago
I know I'm late to the party here, but I just want to re-iterate everything this guy has said. An incredibly similar episode to this one ended my LTR of 8 years. OP you did an incredibly hard thing posting this on here, and for what it's worth it is greatly appreciated. This is a cast iron example of why LTR's do not work in todays world.
I'm tired of battling with the younger ones on here who seem to think being "Alpha" enough will keep your woman. It simply will not. Sometimes you have to experience shit like OP has for the truth to fully sink in.
I was with my ex for 8 years. But she got a new set of friends and within a couple of months, all it took was one of the girls who couldn't keep a man to say "Oh your man doesn't do a lot does he?" for my ex to cheat on me. At the time I was incredibly sick with Giardia poisoning and I was trying to start an incredibly demanding business.
RealHumanHere 7y ago
Same. I was with the girl I thought was perfect.
She went to her country for a while, took her less than a month to cheat. She lied and lied about it.
I was her first (started in HS/College).
(Don't ask me how I got the convos) Day after I left her she got tinder, and was telling dudes "When we meet, I don't want to have sex, but Im sure you'll convince me anyway :P", all while telling me she never did anything and that she would never get Tinder, would never talk to a guy like that, would never blablabla..
This is common in women. It felt terrible at the time, but it was because I had met myself believe maybe she was different than the rest, which is a big mistake.
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AFAIK TRP advocates that she is never yours, it's only your turn despite how Alpha you are there will always be mistakes, things you can't control or just a better Alpha to go and fuck.
cheeky_throwaway101 7y ago
This is exactly right, but I would argue not necessarily a more Alpha, but a better "deal". Someone with more money perhaps or just someone who she "perceives" as more Alpha. Of late I have been down voted whilst disagreeing with others who believe that they can marry and have a healthy marriage so long as they do a) b) or c).
It is of a far better mindset to acknowledge that it is just your turn, and whether she stays or goes will not rock you, as you are on your mission which is where you derive your value from.
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All women cheat, for a myriad of 1000s of different reasons. They aren't rational. Or loyal. Or monogamous.
We were never meant for monogamy, women were created for gang bangs. That's literally how we used to mate. Whoever had the longest dick and strongest sperm was the one who got to reproduce.
Sometimes you don't even have to be more alpha than her man, you just have to not be him and she'll fuck you.
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This exactly. I'm downvotes constantly by faggots who think that if you're alpha enough your woman won't cheat on you or leave you.
TheReformist94 7y ago
The only way to avoid is to cheat yourself or your simy restrctong options waiting for her to cheat
Yozki 7y ago
Jesus christ, what an evil human being
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Just don't make the mistake of entering a relationship with the wrong expectations. The cunts game can be easily countered.
gonorealover 7y ago
All women are like this. They just hide it from the public.
Hurting a men's feeling is " LOL " to women . They take pleasure in breaking and destroying what you give them and what you build for them. This is their joy/pleasure. This is their goal in life. Competing against someone that you have no chance to win against ... then complain about it . They suck so bad in the job market and encourage each other to be as incompetent as possible . This is their career. The whole concept of being a woman is a huge pile of mess. There is no structure in their existence .
Feminism makes more sense when you finally understand the evil nature of women. They want to destroy the world created by men for absolutely NO REASON . Biting the hands that feed you .
By the way , they get worst once they pass 30.
TheSelfGoverned 7y ago
Because they've lived their entire lives with an us [women] vs them [men] attitude. They were born into it, it is rampant among their female social circles.
TRP men are only now adopting this same attitude, because we've been emotionally, financially, and psychologically abused for decades.
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"Nah bro, women aren't evil. That's just nature, it's immoral brah"
Hoodwink 7y ago
Yep.
This is the truth.
It's an ugly reality.
I think we have a lot to learn to from the best manipulators and red-pill people on the planet: the original 'old-school' religions who created functioning religious hierarchies where they segregated (into their own sub-cult) or banned women from operating within it. And remember, most of the religious cults essentially were pro-beta and pro-civilization - they built civilization and culture. A golden age of prosperity usually comes from Patriarchal guidance and enforcement. Religions and myths are good teachers. Wise men build civilizations, wise women give you poison and tell you its medicine.
Jezebels. They're real. They're she-demons out to fuck up your kingdom.
TheReformist94 7y ago
When they rub it in like this,I can't see why TRP doesnt advocates cheating and treating them like shit. They clearly don't care. What use is being a bigger man and having honour over such vile pieces of shit?
CornyHoosier 7y ago
You don't need to break your word, that's just dishonesty. It's what this ex-gf of OP's did. Don't be her.
My friends ask me why I don't ever seem to have a girlfriend even though I seem to go on lots of dates. I tell them I just don't want to make a promise I can't keep.
I'm open and honest with people. The average woman doesn't care as long as they feel happy/good/safe around you. I've been pressed hard to get into a relationship and I have always declined. There was a really good line I read in a thread the other day on here. Basically, "Babe, I'd rather you be happy and not with me, than miserable with me."
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CornyHoosier 7y ago
It's crazy to look back and think how much I wanted to get married when I was younger. No matter how hard a tried, I wasn't able to nice my way into that (and I certainly didn't have the confidence or looks to pull it off).
Looking back I was very dishonest with women and I was definitely harboring some deep inner-anger towards them for not wanting to date/marry me. I always crack a small smile when I see Red Pillers get labeled as manipulative, angry, misogynists. In actually TRP helped me let go of my anger and let me realize that women aren't "bitches" ... they're simply women acting in their own nature, same as I'm just a man acting in my own nature.
It's really our interactions with others that define who we are as individuals. Had OP realized sooner that taking time away from his girlfriend, not indulging her "feels", not have sex the way she enjoyed, that is what created a rift in their relationship. Her cheating on him without breaking up is what makes her dishonest. There is a difference in the two.
This is why I generally stay away from relationships. I'm not going to adapt my lifestyle. I spend far too much time focused on traveling/exploring, my music, art, camping/hiking, droning and technology; I have no time to invest in a relationship. However, if a woman wants to join me in doing those things, she is welcome to and we'd definitely have a blast doing them.
One little hint I picked up here on TRP that has done me well is that when I'm talking with a woman I am interested in getting to know better: I offer for her to join me in doing something, but I never ask her if she'd like do something. Don't ask questions! Live your life how you want, be happy and let others join your happiness if they'd like.
Lyradex 7y ago
This, this is the goal. I'm back in monk mode, after going about and experimenting with my improved state. I got a bit carried away, and while having fun, was turning into a total ass.
This is the goal. Easy, comfortable, self focused and fulfilled, then let it come and go as it does. ....is like the tides, you just can't explain it? Heh.
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CornyHoosier 7y ago
You're a man. I can't force you to do a damn thing in your life.
However, as a man myself, I will judge the actions of others to decide if they are honest or not. If you made a promise or commitment to someone you should be an adult and stick to your word.
This entire thread is about a woman who broke her word. Maybe others are willing to look past that, but I am not. Civilization could break down tomorrow and be anarchy, but an honest person will always be an honest person.
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Adach 7y ago
I haven't read but I'd assume it was an objective lense and therefore a red pill one
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2Bait4Me 7y ago
I know this is weird but how does change with sea horses where the male carries and gives birth to the young ?
rockymountainoysters 7y ago
The female seahorses' sexual strategy involves procuring alpha cock and then finding a compliant beta to stuff her fertilized eggs into. Not having to deal with pregnancy means even more time for cock; AFSALT.
Alpha male seahorses get tons of tail but couldn't possibly fit all the eggs they've fertilized in their own pouch, so they rely on betas to help carry all of them.
2Bait4Me 7y ago
You are making that up ?, that can't be true. Sea horses are the Omega Cuck's.
ihaveameme 7y ago
You don't know the half of it...
alecesne 7y ago
Is that evil? I think that's the point of TRP. AWATW.
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[deleted] 7y ago
FTFY. Women are evil, they will never love you. They're just amoral/immoral reproduction machines. All theyre good for.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
You're in your anger phase. Harness the anger into something productive, such as bettering yourself.
Women are not evil ... women are women. Nature isn't evil.
wiseclockcounter 7y ago
I think this unwillingness to call women evil is either a misunderstanding of the word or more thoughtless lip-service paid to TRP's idea of embracing reality.
The definition of evil as I see it is the conscious will to inflict harm on another individual purely for the sake of personal enjoyment or benefit.
Just because the world is what it is, doesn't mean all words lose their meaning. The circumstance of reality doesn't dissolve every force of good and evil into some neutral haze of relativity. There is good in the world and there is evil. *I think women on the whole are far more willing to do things that are wholly unnecessary, disproportionate to the situation, and based on irrational aggressive emotions than men are. They will do bad things just because.
To people who are defending women's nature as not evil, we're not talking about the amorality of their mating strategy, "oh woe is me my ex swung branches for that buff dude, she's evil." We're talking, "my ex divorce raped me, made sure I couldn't see my kids, took my house, got me arrested, etc" kind of bullshit.
This sub is full of examples of bitches pulling their slut-crazed vindictive bullshit, in case you've somehow missed them in real life.
One of the mod posts recently appropriately warned against passivity in the guise of embracing reality. It's okay to recognize the evil in women. I would say it's even crucial.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
I believe people can do immoral acts which can make them cruel, but I don't feel human nature can be considered inherently evil. I do think a person, through sufficient immoral action can be considered an evil-person. I certainly don't feel that is a passive thought either and is very black & white to me.
TheReformist94 7y ago
He is not in anger.they actively take the piss and enjoy inflicting psychological harm on men.its the resentment they harbour for betas. There's things that are in men's nature like fighting,killing and beating our wives,does that make it ok? If I said I beat my LTR I'd get condemned so don't give a free pass to women who psychological ly inflict harm on purpose.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
I hope for peace and stability in your life.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
good and evil don't exist beyond concepts in our brains . . . in real world is it evil when a wolf eats it's prey, no. similar here. a female acting like their true nature.
TheReformist94 7y ago
Ok cool.let someone stab your kid and rape your wife and mum so they become war brides. See how you stomach it. That's part of nature in war.
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And their nature is amoral/immoral. Yes, that's they're natural nature but female nature is negative.
TheReformist94 7y ago
Its fucking ridiculous what these guys let these women get away with "because its in their nature"
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
no need to let them get away with it but what are you supposed to do, be proactive and have your focus be on yourself, so if she cheats, who cares. it's not amoral or immoral cuz that's like good and evil.
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I'm not. Yes women are women. But you can't deny that female nature is twisted and fucked up. You're right that there's no place for morality in nature.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
I can and I do. It's no more 'twisted and fucked up' than male nature. TRP simply tries to help you understand and adapt to the knowledge of our nature and not the spoon-fed bullshit we hear all the time.
Women are not inherently evil, fucked up or any other negative adjective you want to use. Women simple are. The society that some Americans were used to (mom cooks, cleans and raises child, dad goes out to bring home the bacon) doesn't exist anymore (maybe it never did, I don't know).
TRP is here to give you insight on the current world. Whether or not you want to deem this "bad" or not is up to you. I simply see my world as different and that I need to adapt to my changing surroundings.
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This is a lie. Female nature is MUCCCCCHHHH more fucked up than male nature.
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TheReformist94 7y ago
Stop doing mental gymnastics and using your male hamster to accept how shit female nature and reality are.
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aguy01 7y ago
You should read the stickied thread about concern trolling. Also, you are trying to shame him for feeling the way he does. You are still blue. In your example would you shame the rabbit for hating the fox? That's what you're doing here. Talking about amoral acceptance one second then feminine shaming the next. You have some reflection to do.
Lyradex 7y ago
I'll just leave this here, as it so aptly pertains to the discussion that is occuring.
The Scorpion and the Frog
One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.
Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream. "Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"
"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly. "Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"
Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!" "This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"
"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog. "Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"
So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger.
The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.
Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs. "You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.
"I could not help myself. It is my nature." Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
TekkomanKingz 7y ago
One of the most prophetic TRP posts ever, deserves being in the side bar.
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Iron Rule of Tomassi #4
NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.
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FTFY. Living with any female is horrible.
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Yeah I guess Rollo didn't want to exclude ltr and married guys from his base
TheReformist94 7y ago
You're in the anger phase! You lost frame! Lmao.
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Additional lessons learned:
Treat your career as your mission and women as a hobby or weekend entertainment.
She's not yours, it's just your turn. Treat relationships as short term rentals not open ended commitments.
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Il128 7y ago
This is why I rarely go down on women anymore. You just don't know if there's another guys spunk up in there.
Forcetobereckonedwit 7y ago
Ouch. I feel your pain brother. Just keep breathing, keep working, and wait till the next one hops on your dick.
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Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
yeah I see this guy was beta but learned lessons from this experience. hey it's good to see mistakes and learn from them.
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This guy is totally right; more decisions need to be made with less information! Assumptions and hunches are all you need, people!
Don't worry, man, these guys just don't get it.
Trail_of_Jeers 7y ago
Love how it's never her. She fell out of love, or it's monogamy, or it's just two different people and she needs to explore her life.
Dishmayhem 7y ago
Stay strong man. I'm glad you stopped her like a bad habit. When she gets horny, dresses all sexy and tries to seduce you again, i hope you pull an epic mic drop on her ass
Stories_of_Red 7y ago
Why would he even be in the room with her, to have that moment?
That is oneities revenge fantasy crap. When you truly move on, you don't even bother talking with her long enough to give her that interaction time.
Su-Wu_Red 7y ago
Sorry to hear this bro. But long term, you dodged a bullet. Over time she would have sucked the life out of you, and not in a good way.
Also, just outta curiosity, you turned her down when she offered anal?
Aintlisterine 7y ago
Edit the keylog op, way too much unnecessary bullshit in there
aanarchist 7y ago
how'd you get a keylogger on her phone? i'm kinda interested in these for any future relationships, i don't wanna have to spend all my time investigating her bullshit, better to just get it straight from the source.
ThatSteveGuy33 7y ago
According to OP, the keylogger was installed on his computer which she prefers to use.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
"my energy to be regularly intimate decreased. We went from daily sex to roughly once a week. "
this was kind of beta
[deleted] 7y ago
Because alphas have more hours in the week? Please elaborate for those of us who are still learning..
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
alphas make time, don' try to troll please.
[deleted] 7y ago
Can someone please explain to me the mechanics of creating time? Seems fairly mystical, but I'm willing to learn..
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
can someone explain the mechanics of not whining when the girl cheats on you . . . . why do you care if you had no time to have sex with her anyway.
why are you trolling anyway, OP even says he learned this lesson.
[deleted] 7y ago
If OP says he has learned "this lesson", why did you show up just to drop a bunch of platitudes and nonsensicals?
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
made one tiny comment. why did you show up going nuts, without reading the original post? salty for other reasons?
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
just realized you are a girl. never mind.
[deleted] 7y ago
I read the original post. But I always scroll to the bottom to see what kind of silliness is down here, and here you were, saying a lot of shit, but also saying nothing at all.
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
by any chance are you a red pill girl mod
[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks for your super helpful contributions. (And by "contributions", I mean offering nothing of any real value.)
Gigandeth 7y ago
On the last point. Never move in. Doesn't matter if you are over or below 30. Even worse if you are over 30 because you have way more shit to lose.
hyugafan 7y ago
Jesus, that must have sucked to read through. Go down to the pub with some buddies and grab a beer. And thank the lord you weren't married to the bitch.
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mechdemon 7y ago
He installed it on his computer, not hers. He can do whatever he wants on his computer.
Venenarium 7y ago
I'm sorry to hear that man, it must be really hard for you right now, even so considering the amount of work you have to deal with.
Stay strong brother! The red pill always internalizes itself through hardship, but you'll come out stronger! Try to think about what you've avoided instead of what you've lost, which, as you'll realize over time, wasn't that much.
[deleted] 7y ago
God damn it I'm angry again. This comes at a good time as I feel infatuation towards a girl (got another girl lined up for this weekend to try remove the oneitis).
Heartless bitch your ex was, OP. Go lift heavy weights, succeed at your startup and fuck that bitch. She's probably a 4/10 compared to the other girls you're about to meet!
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RealHumanHere 7y ago
Dated an virgin Indian girl thinking exactly like you.
She turned out to be the same or worse. Women are women, genetics are genetics.
lynxlynxebin 7y ago
Do you guys know any legit keyloggers for this purpose? Would be nice if some advices about it be posted.
KartagoPill 7y ago
Wow she said different things to you than friend. jesus fuck
EnlightenedViking 7y ago
This reads exactly like my ex.
Congrats for moving on from this one
oleanderteabreak 7y ago
You stopped fucking her. You had one job, and you couldn't even do it properly (men and women who avoid oral sex should jump in front of traffic.)
If the issue was a lack of sex due to indifference and nothing else, you're not entitled to an excuse. Go find one of those frigid, safe bets instead.
skittles_man 7y ago
For those of you that are becoming angry by this, just read every line of the logs as if she's talking to herself. Then you'll truly see the hilarity of the nature of women.
lakalahehe 7y ago
My one alternative hypothesis to TRP AWALT. Is that K selected women are different. uughhh... It looks so ridiculous.
If someone knows what I'm talking about, could use some input if you tested it.
saibot83 7y ago
Very interesting reading. Flashbacks to my own earlier experiences. AWALT indeed.
yldwhisper 7y ago
jesus fucking christ the similarities to my own ex ltr just fucking infuriate me, mind you I was completely blue pill and she walked all over me - guess Im still in the god damn anger phase one year after swallowing this grim ass trp reality.
Especially the part where they 'convince' themselves you no longer do shit together - that struck close to home. They warp their own minds so much they start believing the bullshit. Whatever makes them come out as the good guy, and you the absolute scum of the earth. Anything to justify their little hamster.
Fucking women, AWALT proven time and time again
[deleted] 7y ago
Holy fuck that is despicable.
lakalahehe 7y ago
No amount of bullshit is going to prevent these scourges from multiplying. The welfare state.
Yankee_Fever 7y ago
You're being an over reactive bitch right now dude. You must have picked up on the vibes that things were coming to an end.
it sounds like you framed the relationship as a settlement. It seems like you guys started dating and in your mind you decided "this is it." you probably diddnt think about marrying her, but more than likely you never thought about breaking up.
Doesn't that sounds like a boring ass life to you? At 20-25 years old settling for an average ass life like most people. But none of that matters anymore. Pursue your career, accomplish what you want to accomplish, dedicate yourself to it.
Chase your vision.
CrazyTom54 7y ago
Annnd the reason why she was still using your computer to speak with others after you broke up was because???
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