This post serves two purposes, and it isn't going to be short so calm your ADD and read it. The first is a simple introduction. My name is Son-of-Man. I was born in America in 1982 which means the Blue Pill had long since infected our society. My parents divorced when I was 4 and my mother (who was fairly strong with the Red) remarried a physically and emotionally abusive alcoholic construction worker. My biological father is a lifetime recovering alcoholic, and while he is a great man in his own right, he sadly lived a Blue Pill life. What this means is that in between being bullied, beaten, and having zero positive male role models I didn't have a chance out of the womb.
However, something still fought. I'm a stubborn, intelligent, rebellious type and even after all that conditioning I wasn't broken. For my entire adult dating life I had a Red Pill attitude that would cave and go Blue Pill whenever I got into a relationship and I didn't even fucking know it. I've always had good success seducing women, but the indoctrinated Beta ways would soon creep up and that was that. Ever since sophomore year in high school I knew something was wrong, but in the past few years I could literally feel it. I couldn't quite put my finger on it but I knew I was allowing attractive women with shit personalities to emotionally manipulate me, and they would rarely if ever face any consequences for it. Then almost a year ago to the day I finally had enough. My solid 9 girlfriend at the time is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the modern western woman, and I snapped. I warned her, politely at first, that I was no longer going to tolerate her petty jealousy, constant insecurity, and lack of respect. Of course she didn't believe me. Why would she? Every man before me had been a puppy dog and she would just clip their balls and put them in her purse. Sure, I've always had my Red moments, but they would soon crumble beneath the Blue. Not this time darlin'! After several knockout fights (Which included such lines as: "Why do you even want a boyfriend? Why don't you just get a vibrator and a gay friend?" and "Don't worry about it. I'll just find someone younger and hotter." Gentlemen, if you could have seen her face after that second one. I was proud.) I finally found my spine and cut her loose, changed my phone number, deleted Facebook, and went solo.
I found Reddit shortly after and started reading. I read everything I could. Started with /r/MensRights which I now know is basically Blue Pill Lite, read some /r/Seddit but that offered little because seducing women had never really been an issue. Hell, I'd even tried to subscribe to the female-centric reddits like TwoX, AskWomen, etc. just to "know thy enemy" and perhaps get a little perspective on why things are such shit, but that lasted a few days as I couldn't take the victim circlejerk. Holy shit its bad, but then, I found /r/theredpill. I'm an atheist by choice but if there is anything all powerful out there I would like to thank it. Here I am, thinking I'm the only motherfucker out there who looks at The Matrix and sees how fundamentally broken it is. Nope, turns out there are a lot more of us out there than I could have ever imagined. I've been reading almost every thread in here verbatim and find myself constantly going "Holy shit he's good." in between laughs. This is only the beginning of my journey. Now I have to genuinely decide my path in this life. I'm 30, attractive, intelligent, amazing sense of humor, sharp as a fucking straight razor, great with women, naturally confident, embracing The Red Pill more and more everyday and I have to make a choice and commit. Somehow, after sleeping with 40 women, mostly unprotected, I have come away with no kids, no diseases, and no ex-wives. This where I would like my brothers in the trenches to offer their advice.
Do you want children? We all know the risks it entails. Average divorce rate of 50% and climbing, broken family court system, feminism infecting our once strong society more and more everyday. Totalitarian government forcing its way into our homes, trying to come after our guns, freedom, and masculinity while simultaneously telling us how to live our lives and raise our children. I don't look down on any man who says fuck it. I'll go my own way. I'll ride motorcycles, drink scotch at 11am in my PJs while the latest conquest is passed out from round three. I get it, gentlemen, but part of me wants to give our feminist society the biggest middle finger possible. Part of me wants to risk it all and bring little people into this world. Teach them what it means to be Americans. Not the Politically Correct pussies of today, but the real innovators who refused to be silenced. Think of all we've learned since that horse sized, awful tasting Red Pill touched our tongues. We can't go back, the realizations are permanent. Now imagine if you could teach little versions of yourself all that you've learned. Empower them to make good decisions regardless of what people think. Watch your little Alpha-to-be break little girl's hearts and then enjoy the fallout when her feminazi mother tries to intervene and you crush her spirit. I'm torn, fellas, I'm real fucking torn. I'm also scared, terrified of having some SheDevil hypergame my ass, take my children, and leave me a broken shell of a man. Our society allows, hell, even promotes it. The decision is permanent. The only reproductive rights a man has is whether or not to get a vasectomy. Condoms suck, and she's in control of the pill which basically means you gave a toddler a loaded gun. This is the crossroads of the modern American man. This is the crossroads of my life. Take it away...
[deleted] 11y ago
I've got four kids myself. Married for 11 years to a great woman. We homeschool the two oldest (oldest kid is 6).
If you want children, be dedicated, don't worship them as they'll start dictating your life and "raising" you.
Children are a blessing, and society is messed up, true, but as you have become accustomed to manning up, you can become accustomed to raising your children to be good men and women. Nothing is more manly than a manly father (paraphrasing my wife there).
roe_ 11y ago
I'm 40, 2 kids, married to an awesome, red-pilled woman. I used Athol Kay's brilliant insights to fix the problems in my marriage, and things are awesome.
marriedmansexlife.com really should be in your "Good Links" list.
Newbie_Sedditor 11y ago
Yeah, I want kids. I wanted them before discovering the red-pill-o-sphere, and I still want them now.
What's changed is that now I have a more realistic understanding of how difficult it's going to be to find a woman worth having them with.
Before the era of feminism, it was enough to find an ordinary woman - you needed her to be a good person, but not an extraordinarily good person. An ordinary woman of average moral character was fine, because the culture around her shaped her choices in mostly-good ways.
These days you need an extraordinarily good woman. Because you need her to be able to stand up against what her friends and Hollywood and the entire culture around her are telling her to do, to be.
The existence of women like http://redpillwifery.wordpress.com gives me hope.
In fact, what I'd like to see more of, on this subreddit, is men describing how to find/train a woman like that. I've got nothing against the rants about how feminism has screwed everybody up, but at this point I feel like I get it. I know how to Go My Own Way if I want to. The PUA community has plenty of advice on how to be attractive myself. What I still don't quite have a handle on is how to find/train a woman who's worth having kids with. Is there a Red Pill Wife Training Manual out there? (Posts like this are a great start.)
zionController 11y ago
When I have some time this week I'll write a post on it. I have a woman cooking all my meals and doing all my dishes and folding my laundry and not bitching. And no, she didn't come like that.
Still planning on leaving the country though..
[deleted] 11y ago
I'd be interested in hearing about your training regiment, and any details about moving.
iggybdawg 11y ago
I have kids, two of them. It's pretty awesome. But what brought me to the manosphere was years of frustration and confusion because when my wife got pregnant with our first, she threw away her sexuality. And 5 years later I was still looking for it.
It was literally like a light switch flipping off. And the worst was she seemed to forget and/or rationalize our sexual history.
I'm still going through the pains of unplugging, maybe like neo when he's still pale, wimpy in his real body, but no going back.
I don't regret marrying my wife in particular or having kids, but I'm really frustrated with all the missed opportunities in the time before I met her that I couldn't figure out where I went wrong until now.
zionController 11y ago
Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: Because you've never used them
A feeling most of us share. Welcome, friend. As a childless man, I'd look forward to reading some perspectives of fathers who have taken the red pill. Looking forward to having you here.
iggybdawg 11y ago
already have
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/13l925/informing_the_next_generation/
I'm trying to teach my kids that whenever they feel like something is no fair, they probably don't know the real rules, and to recognize and take responsibility for when they are hurting themselves.
Later, I'll try to help them at least recognize when they have multiple goals in conflict with each other. I couldn't even do that in my nice guy days. I couldn't see that being nice was in conflict with my goal of getting laid.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I like this.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I absolutely do not want children. I can't imagine doing it. It would require a trust for women that I just cannot accomplish in my life.
[deleted] 11y ago
This seems more and more where I'm headed. I never really wanted children even in my Blue Pill years, and now that I'm on a prescribed regiment of Red Pills it is only going to get worse. My issue is the one nagging little voice that wants to be defiant. It says "Fuck you feminists I'll raise an army of Alpha children." but unless I find the winning lottery ticket of a woman I'll just end up fucked. Damn it.
[deleted] 11y ago
The question of whether you want children is irrelevant. You can’t have children. None of us can.
No child you sire will be yours. Sure they may share your DNA and you may pay for them, but your claim to the child stops there.
The child may be taken from you at any time for any reason, or for no reason, by the mother and the state. The extent of your involvement in the child’s life is purely at their leisure.
The mother has exclusive rights to raise the child exactly as she pleases. Your input is nothing but suggestions. If you object, you may be summarily banned from further contact, just because she says so. Never forget, you are a guest in your own family.
You see, the state and the mother own your children, in that order. You have absolutely fuck-all for legal rights to them.
If you want legal rights to a child in the US, there is pretty much only one way. You have to completely legally remove the mother from the equation from the beginning.
Go to a third world country. Pay for an egg donor. In another third world country, implant the fertilized egg into a paid surrogate mother. When the child is born in that country, take the child to get a US SSN card and US passport. The US birth certificate will have only your name on it.
In the US, it is impossible to screen for a woman that will not turn around and take your child, because you cannot see the future. Childbirth can change them in drastic ways that can turn the most trustworthy woman into anything. I’ve seen it and you would be amazed. The only way to know is to wait 20 years to see what she did, which is 20 years after you need to know.
[deleted] 11y ago
This is the cold water splash that I wanted. Thank you.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I've seen this countless times with friends. Don't become a statistic.
lamartine 11y ago
Well, that’s only true if you live in the USA. Others may have the possibility to have children.
[deleted] 11y ago
I do, but refuse to with an infected woman. I plan on traveling to the Ukraine or another former Soviet bloc nation to select a woman. I'll treat her like a queen, so long as she stays away from other infected women. Germany or New Zealand seem like decent ultimate destinations to raise families in, but the US is too far down the road of retardation and tyranny to bring a child into.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Here's my well thought out rebuttal: You're right. I am still a little bitter. I have swallowed, choked up, and again swallowed the Red Pills at least a dozen times in my life. I'm not happy with these experiences, but I am happy at the continued improvements each one has signified. All women aren't whores, most women are whores. My job is to differentiate the two and employ the proper mating strategies to attract the ones I desire. I am better at this than most, but nowhere near where I want to be.
Marriage is only relevant if I want children. The point of this thread was to commit to the idea one way or the other. I have. If I decide to stay in the States I will pursue a vasectomy. If I decide to travel for a mate and family then obviously I will not. I'm heavily leaning towards pulling the trigger on the vasectomy regardless.
Done and done. I've dodged enough bullets while still in the Matrix to make Neo proud, it won't happen again.
I have no doubt, but if I cannot raise children the way I want to then I will not participate. As another poster already stated the State owns your children, and then your wife does. You are a guest in your own family. FUCK all that noise.
I've been fortunate enough to be as free today as I was when I was still a virgin. This freedom will not be irresponsibly risked again.
While an option, it would not work for me. Thank you for your post. It is exactly what I asked for and needed to hear, especially your first bullet.
josephtkach 11y ago
I want to move to another country and marry and have children there.
[deleted] 11y ago
Fair enough. Have you done any research on a destination or logistics?
controversial_views 11y ago
I keep hearing good things about Russia. When I rant about women in Western countries to my friends who live there they say that their women would never behave that way. In Russia, there is a shortage of men and many women spend end up alone. But I don't think moving there is a good idea if you don't want to be broke. You can make good money and lead an okay life in Moscow but women there are probably a lot like in the West.
zionController 11y ago
I can verify this, I slept with a Russian immigrant recently from Moscow.
But maybe she came here to be with the rest of her kind
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zionController 11y ago
I have. Eastern Europe is the place for me. Czech Republic is a pure strong hold of chastity and classic values. Moreso in the rural areas. The men are beta - ALL of them - as a culture- and the women can't find good men. They fight for guys like us and never let us go. Look what the cows in Western society do. Its black and white. Poland is something I'm going to look into as well.
If you're Canadian between 18-35 you can get a work visa for 1 year as long as you can show you have access to at least $3500 either in credit or actual cash. You go, you live like a church mouse. You find a job at a coffee shop, learn some language and then try to get an actual job if you can.
[deleted] 11y ago
More Red Pill reality to choke on. I'm an American and have heard good things about Eastern European women. It also doesn't hurt that I've always been attracted to their genes. This is unreal. I feel nauseated just thinking about how far the First World has succeeded, and how that will only be rivaled by its monumental destruction.
zionController 11y ago
History books will write about this like they wrote about the decline of the Roman Empire.
Regarding my thoughts on staying here I'm not going to just fight the existing model, I'm going to build a new model that makes the old one obsolete. If every guy learned game and stopped orbitting, this would change. But that won't happen. Which is why I'm trying to withdraw from here and relocate. Its a scary thought, but I can take a leave without pay from my job for a year and try out the Czech Republic and if all goes well, never come back. Maybe blog about it for a little money. Who knows?
josephtkach 11y ago
I'm very interested in Japan as an option, but I have a lot more travelling to do before I know for sure.
XxXsmok3bluntzXxX420 11y ago
Please do not go to Japan and ruin them too. I'm very glad they are so xenophobic, nice to see at least one country not share our same fate.
josephtkach 11y ago
"Ruin them too"? Smoke more, man, because what you just said is retarded.
XxXsmok3bluntzXxX420 11y ago
Japan does not need to become a feminist shithole like us.
josephtkach 11y ago
And if I go there and marry one of their women then it will magically transform into one?
XxXsmok3bluntzXxX420 11y ago
I just hope the Japs do everything they can to stop foreigners from doing that.
annul 11y ago
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no