Summary
The pre-wall prance is a pattern of behaviours by women where as they enter the epiphany stage, realizing they are nearing or have just started to hit the wall, they clean up their behaviour, attitudes, and presentation, in order to prance-like-a-unicorn.
Watch and reflect on these behaviours when you see them, and realize that you may not be observing a unicorn, merely a filly who is prancing like one.
Body
Women know all too well the behavior and attitudes that a resourceful, dominant, alpha man is looking for in a long term mate.
The simplest example is women’s obfuscation of their number of sexual partners, which is universally understood (though never verbally acknowledged) to harm their prospects with a high SMV mate.
Younger women may not be particularly concerned about their behaviour and attitudes, as they are not specifically looking for alpha commitment, setting it aside for later for a multitude of reasons. They may, in fact, revel in poor behaviour and the attention and adventure it brings.
When they reach the 'epiphany' stage however, realizing that the prospects for commitment from the right kind of guy is dwindling, they will abruptly modify their behaviour and attitudes. The intent is to close out their high-SMV window with a committed mate just before the wall hits.
The pre-wall prance is not universal across all women. Some will adopt it instinctually, others deliberately. Many will miss it and simply blindly crash through the wall.
Included in the pre-wall prance are a wide variety of behaviours meant to mimic a unicorn:
- Cleaning up and deleting all party photos and drinking photos from social media
- Dropping bad-girl friends
- Dropping SJW and feminist friends
- Deleting all mention of current or past boyfriends
- born again virgin
- sexual prudishness, vanilla sex
- Alternatively - extremely open minded, i.e. extended blowjobs during sportscenter
- making men wait for sex
- Abstaining from alcohol
- Feminine clothing and dresses
- Renewed interest in cooking and baking
- Weight loss
- Dedication to fitness
- Gift giving, thoughtfulness
- Clean eating and nutrition
- dismissive of 3rd wave feminism
- Love of watching sports, MMA, football
- Bringing food, lunch to your work, dinner while you're studying
- Perfectly clean and feminine apartment
- Yoga, Pilates
- Interest and support for your hobbies
- Hanging out with married friends
- Babysitting friends infants
- commitment to wholesome hobbies like photography, painting, hiking
Any man who observes this transformation will be absolutely flabbergasted. She's turned a corner! finally getting her life right! A man meeting her for the first time during this phase will be thanking his lucky stars he finally found a unicorn.
But of course the red pill is a bitter pill, and we all know the outcome here. The filly can only prance for so long. Once the commitment is secured.... Piece by piece all of this will fade. It won't often be overnight, but I've been around enough to see it go...
The yoga classes will be dropped she will be too tired to clean or cook the delivery of presents and food will end she will never lose the baby weight the vanilla sex will transition to dead bedroom Her interest in her partners hobbies will turn to contempt etc etc...
Lessons learned
Watch for behaviour that may be a pre-wall prance, and investigate her true nature if you are considering a LTR with a woman who seems to be a unicorn at age 27.
tekn0_ 9y ago
This post is actually very appropriate. I have been talking with this 28 year old girl, who rode the CC like a stud, easily n count of 200+ in NYC.. Worked in the sex work industry (stripper), was a nude model, and all red flags galore. She suddenly found herself isolated from all her friends in the name of spirituality, and became all spiritual doing spiritual remedies and stuff. She is still an HB8, she maintains her body well, and has some good genes. Dealing with her made me wonder about how much of a reversal if it is possible for her to make to stick with it, and actually be a different person. She has been talking the exact same thing as OP has pointed about, as in wanting to have more vanilla sex while she have had 3somes before. She feels the need to be strongly validated by a "spiritual male" now that she is spiritual, or in essence, a spiritual alpha. I have been wondering how to really deal with her, as I can't help but see her history of what she has done when I talk to her, and makes me really wonder whether I want all the 200+ genes . Essentially she seems to be excellent plate material. She also speaks now as if she likes innocence more than having sex with assholes. I am like, that is textbook wall approaching, former CC rider seeking Beta Bucks. So logically plate material makes sense, however her new spriitual "rebirth" had me wondering about how genuine it really is, and what to really make of it.
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Since this isn't really news to those in TRP202, I propose a side topic: how to tell apart the fakers from those who have lived this lifestyle from day 1? I'm not asking for a unicorn, but merely those who have done this genuinely as per how they were raised?
verify_account 9y ago
I see the renewed interest in lifting/working out/staying in shape in a lot of pre-wall girls. It could also be that they realize they haven't bagged a man yet and won't if they get much fatter, but it's the same thing.
cheeky_throwaway101 9y ago
Yoga is also something they hop on around the 30+ mark.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
Biggest red flag. NON MARRIED SINGLE MOM!
Just what the hell happened that caused a man to be separated from his flesh and blood?
the divorced single mother story can kinda swing. Men do stupid shit like cheat, or addiction, or fall into complete betaness.
But if she's a single mom with 2 baby daddies, that's a red flag no matter what age she is.
I'm watching a shit show right now. Former party girl/bartender who now found god. She has 2 kids from 2 men, married a beta bucks, divorced beta bucks after 3 years, now dating a man with a higher smv from her former BB. Relationship is still in the honeymoon phase and she's stopped taking her birth control. Not even 1 year yet. She's hoping to snag this guy with a kid before he slips away or catches on by year 2.
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It's crazy how women know they're going to hit the wall so they just mask their true nature and turns themselves into a unicorn.
Rhynovirus 9y ago
You just described the ex who sent me spiraling toward epiphany.
In reality: she was an alpha widow and her act lasted 8 months before I caught her kissing someone else... the Alpha that widowed her!
sqerl 9y ago
Me too. Took me many months to see how the ex continued to pursue her tingles when I wasn't around. She really had her act cleaned up. Hid all vestiges of her past.
redpillschool Admin 9y ago
Very nice insight, thanks!
memphisjohn 9y ago
For a while, before I discovered TRP, I was (unknowingly at the time) orbiting a woman who meets this description exactly. This is about as accurate a summary as I've seen of this particular person's situation.
It's funny; about the same time I discovered TRP and cut contact / de-orbited, she cleaned up her social media... gone were the party pic's, the "Sunday funday's" with groups of thuggish-looking tough guys... replaced by artsy shots of indy coffee shops, and interior decor. No more posts about wine and drunken nights out, instead pics of her (new) puppy and cooking great meals with her married friends.
Spot on. There are no unicorns.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Hey Russell Wilson!
Do these ring a bell? How convenient that your Christianity dovetails so very nicely with this aspect of the Feminine Imperative.
jwquiroz 9y ago
The vanilla sex/sexual prudishness is so common. They even make noises of being hurt when you initiate intercourse; as if they barelly used their pussy. Then they tell you the story of their sexual life: "this is my 2nd time really and I have never had an orgasm." Right, right... then they dont want to do something other than misionary!
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Su-Wu_Red 9y ago
This is a good nuance to OP's post. These characteristics are good in general. Would you really turn down a sportscenter bj from a reformed girl who cooks and cleans etc? Sounds like a good plate. What we should be afraid of is the bait and switch, where you give your commitment and don't receive what was advertised. Especially for those guys who do LTRs.
As nodox rightly points out, this is where BMS comes in.
Deapluv 9y ago
Excellent points on CBTs (love the term lol). I agree, and was looking mostly to keep my post concise.
Your_Coke_Dealer 9y ago
This explains a lot. Hooked up with a recent college grad last weekend. Despite being a sorority alumna from a party school, she had no smartphone or Facebook (what modern woman doesn't), and made a point to act slightly disgusted when she saw "slutty" girls making out with her guy friends at the basement concert we were at.
But sure enough, she went back to my place, and I'd just met her that night. AWALT,
evenespecially if she's a hypocriteyomo86 9y ago
This is in my humble opinion one of the greatest miwconceptions of some trp folks. Marriage back in the day was good and feminism ruined everything. Well it wasn't. At least there were no incentives to split up too easily. But can you imagine marrying an alpha who turned in an instant into a beta anr give him what you got. Your youth while at the same time you cannot leave the beta schmuck because money.
On the other hand alphas are not designed to be faithful. Affairs were common back in the day. No man is gonna pound the same pussy over and over again.
The resentment must have been mutual.
5t3fan0 9y ago
this is THE red flag.
unicorns do not survive in the wild so long... if no alpha hunter caught them already (-->stable happy family) it means that it ain't no unicorn
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Filly = unbred horse. I'm pretty sure you mean "mare." The point is that the behaviors established at the end of adolescence are inescapable in the longterm. This holds true for men as well as women. The men we were at 18 are the men we are at 40. That's why change is so difficult. If you were a beta wuss at 18, the price you have to pay is constant vigilance. Men sometimes can pull it off, women never can.
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Yeah you confirmed my sister is screwed. She's 27, sees the wall coming. How is she preparing? Doing absolutely nothing. She could stand to lose about 20 lbs, but doesn't give a fuck, eats whatever she wants, still has the party hooray mentality, but wants to "settle down." AWALT
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
When you live in self-absorbed perception and deny reality, anything is possible, lol.
Sounds like she'll end up like most women: alone and pretending not to suffer inside, or with a passive man who'll give her sad validation.
Deapluv 9y ago
Yes some women (like a lot of men too) are afraid to confront the reality of their situation
cheeky_throwaway101 9y ago
Great article, and has some major points that I was going to bring into my own piece soon. A lot of the examples you mention above are traits that they advocate to adopt on Red Pill Women.
Often you find in TRP, men struggling with the ability to fully swallow the pill and think that if they get with an RP woman things will suddenly be different.
The truth is that we push ourselves to become Alpha here at TRP. (which is what every woman seeks to pair with). These RP females will do everything they can to get with an Alpha.
The Red Pill women may claim that they are different, they may believe that they are better than other women. But really we need to remember AWALT and the fact that they are still using behavioural manipulation to bag an Alpha (albeit with much more positive traits that appeal to us, which does in turn work in our favour.)
Often in that sub you see late twenties women approaching the wall looking to adopt many of the traits that you mention in your piece OP, thinking they have turned a new leaf and now they are suddenly and magically a new RP woman. But their past is their past, they can't unsuck all those dicks.
I'm going to end this rant here as it's 5 in the morning and I need sleep.
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
Yes, and you can't change a zebra's stripes. Even if she does adopt "new" attitudes/behaviors, the underlying personality is the same, and anything should simply be considered an act.
Changing one's self is extremely hard (I believe firmly in self improvement, and have learned this lesson myself) at that level and hence it's laughable to think a woman could make significant personal changes. They do not possess the honorable personal motivation.
In this case it would be simply for personal gain, then back to their real selves once comfort has set in, I suspect.
FreeRadical5 9y ago
I'd honestly rather take a regular slut than an RP woman ... They just seem like regular sluts but entitled enough to think they deserve an alpha and are openly willing to manipulate to get him. Always struck me as a disgusting mindset.
103342 9y ago
yeah. I agree 100%, sluts at least are honest.
A born-again ex-slut sounds as disgusting to me as a ex-beta PUA would to a woman I guess...
aanarchist 9y ago
sounds like a lot of the shit the red pill women do to try to snag a guy
yaysmr 9y ago
No mention of this but the big one I observed:
Suddenly finding religion and being real devout about it.
This might depend on your area, but it was eye-opening to me when I saw women in my peer group that I knew had been all-out partiers in college and beyond suddenly start posting about finding Jesus and how thankful they are that all that sin in their past is forgiven.
It is like a cheat code for getting a 'clean break' from their prior behavior and signalling just how mature and good they are. And in the event that anyone calls them on it they can get all high-and-mighty: "That was me before I came to Christ, I am now a new person and I while I regret all the sins I've committed, they are forgiven and I have devoted my life to serving him."
Basically Jesus becomes their new alpha and they seek a Christian BB who doesn't mind waiting until marriage for sex.
Deapluv 9y ago
Oh yes that too! I felt the list could go on forever lol, but yes finding Jeebus is right up there. Family values!
ReasonFreak 9y ago
Oh man you are so right, I live in southern Virginia so I've seen this too. How fucked up are women that they'll take something as potentially sacred to the individual as religion and turn it into "the thing that makes me not a whore now."
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[deleted] 9y ago
even porn stars take this path, which I (as a Christian) am in agreement with if they take the time to try to stop others from doing what they did.
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
Great post; gave me plenty to watch out for and to ponder.
"sexual prudishness, vanilla sex" Yeah that one I can buy, definitely, considering the stories we've seen where the woman in question was quite whorish sexually with past men, yet now treats her current man/husband with far less sexual satisfaction now. For him to discover later, and her to hamster it away.
However, I still feel women even though they may be feeling the wall approaching, don't want to admit it, and make few if any real changes in behavior because of their innately difficult, rigid, and "independent" personalities. I have seen that personally. Not sure about the percentages of that vs. other women.
Women who reach the age of ~30+ years never seem to comprehend that their attitudes and behavior are what got them to that point to begin with, and hence don't learn anything and just keep doing the same, with the bonus of becoming more bitter with time and even MORE off-putting to potential mates, INSTEAD of the opposite.
This is another argument for sticking to only younger women.
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Its even funnier to watch if you happen to be married, and your wife does many of these things while with you.
GainzdalfTheWhey 9y ago
Man, my post wall ltr is exactly like that, not in the way she's a confirmed reformed hoe. We've discussed her past relationships and men shes been with and I believe she didn't ride the CC (not all women ride it, most though), but maybe shes an even bigger psychopath than me and could convince me.
How should I investigate? She doesn't have social media and no male friends, so its difficult to investigate. (I've been told to use time and learn if women slips on this behaviour)
There is another post wall plate that we talk a lot about feminism and shes also disgusted by it. I guess girls learn to adapt later on lol.
And 27 is pre wall? I see loads of woman at 27 that are sjwy, feminist, annoying, childish at 27.
mrpCamper 9y ago
I was talking to a 26 year old single girl the other night at happy hour and she definitely sounded like she was hitting the wall.
memphisjohn 9y ago
no need... it doesn't matter; AWALT
GainzdalfTheWhey 9y ago
Doesn't matter in which way? Are you saying I shouldn't mind if she's prancing like op said but has a ridiculously high N count? Or straight never be with women at a specific age that appears nice, because she might have been a whore?
memphisjohn 9y ago
I meant, don't bother investigating, because (1) you'll never truly know... and (2) it doesn't matter anyway because AWALT.
If you choose to LTR her, that's up to you; I'm just suggesting that you not kid yourself that the absence of evidence is the same thing as proof of innocence.
And by the way, I'm not anti LTR... just commenting on the nature of "knowledge" and how everyone has baggage, secrets, and there is truly no way to ever know "for sure", so you should adjust your worldview with that in mind.
chocobaby 9y ago
Very good advice. If you can make it work with her, great. Just keep your eyes open and your game on.
Five_Decades 9y ago
Holy. Shit. This describes at least 1 woman I have known to a T. They straightened up when they hit their late 20s.
Jeez. I own Rollo's books but haven't read them in their entirety yet. I really need to check them out.
Entropy-7 9y ago
If you meet a woman between about 27 and 33 who is exhibiting all the mentioned behaviours you might pause and think "Wow, how is it she is still single?" Well, pause and think again. Do you really think she has been acting like this for the last 10 or 15 years and not been able to land a guy?
Similarly, when you see find an 8+ who is still single at that age you have to stop to consider the possibilities: 1) She consciously rode the CC to party and get freebies from her bevy of guys 2) she is bat guano crazy and drove the guys away 3) she has ridiculously high standards.
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
Truth.
Thanks to the ideas I've learned here and personal observations etc. I now tell men (especially vulnerable guys):
If she's single at that age, there's a reason why.
So far experience has verified this pretty much every time.
BrunoOh 9y ago
It's like buying houses.
If a house has been for sale for a decade, it's a bad thing. At best the owners are delusional about its value, most of the time there's something wrong with it.
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
So true! I often marvel at examples I see like that, and laugh at the stupidity and inflated sense of value of any person who thinks they're worth more than they are...and yet remain on the shelf.
sqerl 9y ago
Add me to the list. I remember asking my ex, "Why is an intelligent, attractive, successful woman at your age, single?" I got a coy little shoulder shrug, a cute smile, the eyes that look innocently away and she says, "I don't know...."
Everything entropy said happened. 1, 2, 3 were all true. She used her looks to get men to give her what she wanted. When they were tapped dry, she would make bigger and bigger demands. There was no feeding her inner beast. The men would invariably go crazy and her relationships ended in a massive emotional shit hole.
5t3fan0 9y ago
this question makes the hamster do 0-60-0 mph in less than 2 seconds.... or at least it should
kazaul 9y ago
Interestingly, a (female) friend of mine asked one of her friends this last week, and the answer was: because I can't find an alpha to tie down. Paraphrased of course but I hear similar stuff every time the topic of LTRs comes up. I seem to live in a social circle of broken hamsters.
Polaris382 9y ago
The exception would be previous LTR. A girl Im with now was with an ex for over 7 years at 26.
Did she go CC riding after their break up? Maybe, who knows. I dont really think so, but its definitely a possibility.
bokehnikon 9y ago
Somebody needs to start a discussion on the phenomena of the girl who spends most of her 20s in a LTR with one guy but ultimately doesn't get commitment in the form of marriage. Whether she rides the CC or not after the breakup, what's the deal? Why did she waste her best years on this guy? How much has this experienced embittered her? Why should you be the guy to white knight her and marry her when someone else got the best of her youth and beauty?
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bokehnikon 9y ago
Ah, so you're saying there's two possible scenarios.
In the first, the guy's SMV is very high compared to the girl's. She hangs on hoping for the ring. Meanwhile the guy is in the comfort zone with regular drama-free sex, until one day he decides he's done and leaves.
In the second, the woman is moving ahead in life, ready to settle down but the guy is going nowhere in his career, etc. He wants to commit but he's a bit aimless in life.
Either way, the woman is making a poor choice.
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When they're still together after a few years the love just isn't there anymore and the breakup happens.
After the breakup in the new relationship, after a few years when things start deteriorating she remembers her previous relationships through pink glasses.
Her past bonds are strong and she might want to experience old love again.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
her love just isn't there anymore
FTFY
Polaris382 9y ago
Well I dont like to get into my personal shit, because it will of course be labeled male hamstering and this place will always jump to the most cynical conclusion possible.
However for a little perspective- Im 32, she ages greatly, she is a Haitian immigrant with an oldschool/"redpill" upbringing from parents that she is very close with, badass work ethic, smart, good personality, constantly initiates with me, etc etc. I dont know the story as I havent cared enough to ask, but I get the impression that the guy cheated on her based on stuff.
Unicorns dont exist and she definitely isnt perfect, but this is one that has made me stop and think a bit...about the second one in my life to do so.
kazaul 9y ago
Some women will display comparatively honest behavior with little to no incentive, either due to upbringing or personal conviction that this is who they want to be. Still AWALT but TRP doesn't talk about them often. They don't make good examples and are harder to reconcile. They are also extreme outliers.
These aren't unicorns. They CC ride if given the chance and do all the usual stuff. But they aren't complete nutcases either and are capable of something resembling sanity. In my experience, these are the ones who, for whatever reason, couldn't or didn't want to play by the unspoken rules of the sexual marketplace. I haven't found any in mainstream society.
As for why they stay rather than ride? Because they can't or don't believe they can compete with their current market value and, the moment someone with high enough SMV wanders across their path, they go for it. I don't know any of them to be bitter, more sad or lonely. I don't think they fit in mainstream society, or want to. I've never met one who didn't have emotional baggage; some event that exposed raw, disgusting, human nature.
Again, it isn't that they can't or don't ride the CC. It's that they've decided not to. Maybe it's too painful. Maybe they have severe trust issues. Maybe they don't have a high sex drive. Maybe they just haven't met the right kind of alpha. Maybe they have unrealistic expectations. Hell knows what the specifics are. But there are outliers, just like not all RP men are the same and all BP men are sex-starved shlobs.
As for TRPs tendency to come to harsh conclusions, that's just a constant (and necessarily painful) reminder that AWALT and, no, yours isn't a unicorn either. That isn't cynical. It's pragmatic and healthy for everyone here, though somewhat frustrating when trying to relate personal experiences as you say. But imagine what would happend if the idea that NAWALT is true began to take hold ever so slightly. No one in their right minds wants that.
Entropy-7 9y ago
Some girls get married very young and then sometimes it takes a dozen years or so for them to figure out how much of a mistake it was. So they get divorced and here they are at the wall but with a notch count of 1. Oddly enough, the paralegal at my (family) law firm back in the day about 5 to 10 years ago fell into this category.
bokehnikon 9y ago
Keywords being "how much of a mistake it was." If the rest of her peers are CCing into their 30s, then the girl marrying young thinks she's made a huge mistake and missing out. If the cultural milieu is one where the average age of marriage is 22, the girl marrying young might feel very lucky. I met many couples from the older generation (age 70s and up) who married young (age 19, etc) and stayed together for 50 years or so.
Some people point to the high divorce rate among younger marriages (18 to 22) to prove that marrying young is bad. That statistic is just a product of today's environment where women act out their hypergamous impulses at the drop of a hat. A modern married woman in her mid 20s thinks she still has plenty of game left and will let small hiccups in the marriage become major resentments leading to divorce.
Entropy-7 9y ago
For the girl in my example, the guy turned out to be a paranoid douchebag. So it can depend on the guy; and guys are not immune to this, hence the classic "mid-life crisis" where a married guy in his 30s looks at his post-wall wife, their little house, their minivan in the garage, one dog, two cats, and maybe a couple of kids. . . and wants more, especially if he has friends who are PUA or RP.
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Something I have been kicking around for a bit.
If you make the colossally stupid decision to get hitched don't you kind of want this? I know a thousand redpillers are crying out right now, but for some women the wall doesn't hit them that hard. They stay thin and pretty well into middle age. Don't those women have more opportunity to cheat than little mrs. pork chop?
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CocoaPill 9y ago
This post comes at a very appropriate time for me. My current girl exhibits some of these behaviours... I could subconsciously feel something was not right and your points help me see clear now.
It is a bit of bitter reality to accept but she has to be downgraded. Thanks OP
sqerl 9y ago
Me too. My gut was telling me something was off. It took alot of TRP to put the pieces in place. Then it all became clear. Good job listening to your gut. I tried to suppress it and it nearly cost me. <fist bump>
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What about girls that have most of these qualities way before they hit the wall (early 20s) that are not looking to get married? Or are they looking to get married...
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There are plenty of great men who believe the unicorn, what are you bitching here for?
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Unlike a man you did not lose house, kids, and a large part of your entire career earnings through divorce so things can't be too bad. You do not have it anywhere near as bad as a man, especially this equality BS and how apparently your ex was shamed out of alimony he 'deserved' just as much as many women 'deserve' theirs.
As for you being lumped in with cc girls I can see how that would suck for a legit good girl, it is that way though simply because so many women are partaking in such behavior nowadays. You fail to realize how this messes up guys in the deal, most of the 'good guys' women claim to want are indeed sexless, sexually frustrated, and deemed either unattractive or 'creepy' because they are not exciting enough. Most women are not giving sex to most guys in their class, hypergamy is shuffling 6's into the arms of fewer male 7's and female 7's into the arms of even fewer male 8's etc. like a screwed up pyramid scheme. I'm only saying this so you can visualize the other side of the equation: guys in the average 5-6 range who can be deserving of average and below-average women end up getting nothing at all in the real world. As a woman you can go out and get laid any time you want even if you are a 5. No man can say that with certainty they are getting laid that night, even very attractive ones will have occasional dry spells or a rape claim can be pulled out of nowhere.
If you are looking into a long-term partner well blame feminism for men not wanting to commit. Men are getting such a shitty deal in society anymore many are checking out from the game altogether. I known one that dated 11 women then turned gay, told me nowhere near as much bs and he's much happier and he wasn't "born gay" as they say. Yes, this is a common thing as I heard about it several times now and yes that is how bad women are treating men today. My advice to you? Don't give it up too easy like first date after a beer (this is a red flag for guys looking for an LTR) but likewise don't be a prude and hold out as if you are worth your weight in gold. Have realistic expectations and do not expect the other party to do 99% of the work, it's a push-pull and give-take thing. Keep the reciprocation going back and forth for a while and see how things pan out but remember to be feminine. Men like women, masculine likes feminine. It might sound sexist or whatever but each gal I was with that was feminine seemed way happier with life than normally less feminine and tomboyish ones.
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It's not an unfair stigma. You were already married. That means some other guy was inside you regularly and likely did everything in the playbook with you, that alone can bug many men when they think of it. It can be hard for a guy (especially bluepills) to accept a woman that had a few one-night-stands let alone a woman that was with a particular person for years. Here at TRP I learned to inquire about past relationships, a woman who only sleeps with one guy at a time but has a high turnover rate is barely above the woman who just outright sleeps around. But a woman who was faithful to a single partner for a long time that's just a notch below getting a woman who hasn't dated ever at all and is a fairly good sign.
Think of it from the perspective of a man. A woman is a risk. Many are going MGTOW simply because false rape accusations and financial burdens are fairly high risk in the current environment. Some men literally give up because interactions with women do not pass the cost-benefit analysis. Make yourself worth it for the man, that is the best advice I can give if you want to attract one. All women know how to make men happy, many just refuse to. I point out to single mothers who give the craziest kinkiest and most abundant sex a man will ever experience all while cooking his meals and massaging him etc. She does this because she is attempting to lock him down, and many examples exist how those women cut off all that good stuff once the guy is locked down. Do not be like that. Keep it up, ensure it's a good reciprocation and do your part as well.
TryDoingSomethingNew 9y ago
"All women know how to make men happy, many just refuse to. "
I can't stress this enough. This and the bad attitude I find with women near my age or even 10 years below is one major reason I'm usually with younger women.
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MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
We know that not all women ride the CC throughout their 20's... but all women hit the wall.
You haven't mentioned your n-count, so I'm guessing your party years ended early (ie 18 ish).
There is massive social stigma to men claiming alimony even when it would otherwise be warranted.
You got luckier than most men do - thank your lucky stars you're not paying out for alimony and child support for children you are banned from seeing.
Lesson learned: be the guy that women invest in, not the reverse. You won't get alimony, but if she's the major earner you won't have to pay it either (unless there are kids).
Seriously girl, we get your point, but you still have it better than the vast majority of men so suck it up buttercup.
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sqerl 9y ago
I dated the successful career woman that was seemingly a unicorn. She was super hot (especially when younger). Her hubby divorced her after 25 years for a younger model. So perhaps, had you focused on "super hot", you 1) wouldn't have your career and 2) you would be discarded after a quarter-century because the guy that only wanted super-hot opted for younger -again... anyway, be careful what you wish for....
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Go thank your local 3rd wave feminist store for this fantastic piece of disinformation.
How about you pay it forward, and warn teenage girls not to make the same mistakes that you did.
Docbear64 9y ago
You sound smart and realistic You'll find someone new just make sure that the next someone is someone worth your time and attention . clearly you don't need hi for his cash so make sure his personality and ethics are worth your attention . And of course know that he won't be a perfect man , that doesn't mean he won't be good man.
aanarchist 9y ago
no smart and successful is great, you just have to be a pleasant woman to be around. most career women are fucking harpies, or like brogirls.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
David Deida (he's sidebarred) says that it's because the working world is a masculine place, and that a woman has to put on a masculine shell to succeed in it. The maintaining of this masculine shell is very draining to her feminine energy and this is the origin of her unpleasantness. The solution is for you to up you masculine energy - give her someone she can trust to be hypermasculine when she comes home from work, i.e., make sure that she does something really girly to get her out of the masculine shell.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Personality and low n-count also count for a lot. Specifically charm and appeal and not having 5 children from 5 different fathers and being well known by all the local football team.
Unfortunately for you if you're telling the truth: women fake these qualities very well when they want to find a beta male to support them. So chances are you're lying to try and make yourself higher quality than you really are (AWALT)...
So then the question is... why should we believe you, given that there is a 95% chance you're lying?
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What would instantly worry me about a girl who is as you described is how good my sex life would be with her. Too many women pretend to be super sexual until they get commitment, then start to cut it down.
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But you're a unicorn - high sex drive, low n-count, good career, great personality.
Well sure you might be. But given that women lie most of the time, chances are you're missing something major out of your flattering self write-up.
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Oh... mullet.... now I understand :D
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That is holds true both ways doesn't affect the risk for me.
Marriage is profitable for women, divorce is profitable for women. If I marry, she wins no matter what happens. The odds of me "winning" are tiny. A majority of men get handed divorce papers. A majority of the rest exist under threatpoint.
The small risk that a woman might put me off sex enough that she's sexually unsatisfied before she divorces me and I start paying alimony is hardly a major concern for anyone.
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Pre-nups are almost never fully enforceable, and child custody agreements made before marriage are never enforceable. What ever lawyer told you that needs to get re-evaluated by the state BAR.
The__Tren__Train 9y ago
You seem to know this topic quite well..
Are you writing from personal experience?
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stawek 9y ago
so she did exactly zero growing up between ages 16 and 27 and then suddenly got adult at the age of 28.
take the pill