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- Hide Preview | 133 Comments | submitted 11 months ago by Thisismybot8 [Post Locked]

I've noticed some guys on here can get laid a decent amount but often have a hard time finding quality women. This post is simply a list of my personal requirements that I have used in the past to avoid toxic women and find someone that's worth keeping for an extended period of time.

To clarify, I am not saying that you try to force a woman to do these things. I am saying the woman you pick should meet these criteria without intervention from you. Without further ado, here is a list of 10 things to look for:

• She's not huge on social media: She should have under 1,000 followers on Instagram, under 1,000 friends on Facebook, and not have a Snapchat score that indicates that she might be a Snapchat slut.

• She's not protective of her phone: She shouldn't be worried about your eyes looking at her screen. She shouldn't be hiding her phone password from you. She should be comfortable doing things like having you use her phone to navigate somewhere. These things indicate that's she not worried about a text/snap from Chad popping up on her screen.

• She has a good relationship with her family: Ideally, if both her parents are alive, they should still be together and she should have a strong relationship with both of them. She should also have a solid relationship with her siblings, cousins and extended family.

• Friends: She should be able to get along with a variety of people from different backgrounds but keep only a few select close friends. Even then, her loyalty for you must be stronger than her loyalty to her friends.

• Nights out: Again, the less of this the better, no more than once a month, if that.

• Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated.

• Sex: It should be pretty good but with plenty of room for improvement and exploration in the future. If she's wilder than you, it should be a no go.

• Low maintenance: Generally speaking, she pays for her own clothes, her rent etc. She doesn't spend a fortune on clothes, hair, accessories etc.

• Intelligence/personality/politics: She should be pretty flexible with trying new things and evaluating new ideas. She shouldn't be stubborn or prideful and willing to apologize when it is appropriate. In this day and age, the more right wing she is the better but centrist or mildly liberal will also do.

• Habits: She shouldn't have shitty ones like smoking or excessive drinking. She should have good habits like exercising and reading for pleasure.

Feel free to evaluate these criteria in the comments and to bring up important ones that you think I missed.

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[-] exit_sandman 36 Points 11 months ago

Yup. My most recent GF seemed to be pretty normal and reasonable overall and checked most of the bullet points except the sex thing (okay, and the politics thing, but I can't expect women to be like Lauren Southern in that regard).

Well, it turned out her unwillingness to have an active sex life (I gave her a decent amount of leeway initially, but after a few months it was clear that she wasn't willing to have more than rare instances of vanilla sex, so I broke it off) was due to her having been pretty promiscuous and having had sex for validation and also in order to secure relationships in the past; and this has done a number on her to such an extent that she conflated the meaningfulness of a relationship with the guy's willingness to be with her for her sake and not because of the sex (or, as she put it, "it's nice if it isn't just about that", which I could empathize with to some extent... if our sex life hadn't been extremely lackluster in the first place). At least that's what she told me, it's also entirely possible that she simply wasn't really into me (though my money is on the whole thing being a mix of both).

But the actual sad part is that she seemed to legitimately assume that telling me she was the proverbial "slut who turned into a prude" would sway me in her favor. When I asked her what I was supposed to think about her gleefully sleeping around with randoms and then putting me - the guy she ostensibly really wanted - on a sex diet, she couldn't really come up with an answer.

Well, let's just say that I'm glad that I experienced how it feels if a woman is really into you - so much that she does all kinds of kinky shit with you and is loving every minute of it - so I could tell the difference between that genuine excitement and, well, her. Because I know that my past BP self would have accepted that treatment because I thought women not really wanting sex and me being obligated to be the white knight who "fixes" her was somehow normal and reasonable.

[-] ImmunosuppressedTau 15 Points 11 months ago

Nice post! Went through a similar situation myself. Ex broke up with me because I was BP. Sex with her was pure vanilla.

I spent a year going through self improvement - social skills, more friends, more hobbies, fitter etc. I’ve had some crazy real sex with girls that I met.

She then comes around looking to get back with me. Says she’s more attracted to me now than ever before. She’s put on weight and has aged 5 years in the space of 1. What boggles me is that she thinks that she has declined and still thinks she deserves me. Woman logic I guess!

[-] Luckyluke23 7 Points 11 months ago

you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. once a hoe always a hoe man. if she ain't being a how with you... something is wrong.

[-] exit_sandman 8 Points 11 months ago

Ding ding ding exactly this.

Though I have to say that I wouldn't have tolerated our frugal sex life even if she had been the purest of virgins - I mean, I didn't expect we do it like rabbits, we both aren't 20 anymore, but I certainly expected a lot more excitement and passion in the beginning of a relationship, and if it already starts out that lackluster, this doesn't bode well for any future.

However, the difference in her case is that I certainly had fewer regrets than I might have had otherwise - I still felt really sorry for her, but a lot less sorry over the fact that this relationship was about to end (because now I definitely knew that I never should have begun it in the first place). It was an odd situation after she disclosed these details - when we sat in that room, being silent at each other, and the only thing I could think was "holy fuck could it get even more textbook AFBB?" (she had already hinted at it before, so it didn't come completely out of nowhere, but still)

[-] Imperator_Red 2 Points 11 months ago

But the actual sad part is that she seemed to legitimately assume that telling me she was the proverbial "slut who turned into a prude" would sway me in her favor.

Of all the bizarre and insane ideas that modern society expects men to swallow, this might be the craziest.

[-] X-Trem0 16 Points 11 months ago

Very very good point. But, how?

[-] Planner_Hammish 30 Points 11 months ago

Talking to her friends or her friends' boyfriend. Looking at old FB photos. Trickle truth when she's drunk.

[-] Thisismybot8 15 Points 11 months ago

All solid indicators. Also, how experienced she is in bed is a huge sign.

[-] taxichaffis 5 Points 10 months ago

"Do it too good when she ride that dick - man i wouldnt trust that bitch" Chris Brown is right.

[-] Gr0o0vy 63 Points 11 months ago

Physically she was exactly my type (thus the approach). Positive surprise - witty, highly educated, we shared plenty in common.

2 hours later we were in my bed, 2 days later she was back for more.As she was all snuggled in my arms after an all-nighter, we were talking about our past, differences in our upbringing and cultural stuff (our nations used to be at war in the recent past.) At one point I use the momentum and drop the bomb"Looking back, what are the things you would have changed?"

She let out a sigh and said "well, I`ve made mistakes..." There was a certain sadness in that voice.

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It was in that very moment that I knew for sure, she is a plate material at the best.

I think that event made me officially enter the Sadness Phase. As the legendary post said "I want to save her but I can't and it is not my job. It is not even possible. There are thousands, millions of other girls out there, exactly the same. Broken and lost and sad and longing for a real guy to love them. "

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[-] Thisismybot8 17 Points 11 months ago

Yeah her past is critical but like someone else mentioned, not all of them will be honest. You got lucky, no question about it. For the most part though, you'll have to do your due diligence so you know what you're dealing with. It's the subtle things like attitude, how she talks about men, how often she complaints about shit that give away a toxic personality and potentially a high n count.

The reason I brought up sex in the original post is because it's a critical indicator of how much experience she has. You'll quickly find out if she's already into anal, bondage, and extreme fetishes. The more of these, the higher the n count.

[-] exit_sandman 5 Points 11 months ago

Yeah her past is critical but like someone else mentioned, not all of them will be honest.

Unless you're dealing with a psychopath or BPD chick or some other notorious liar, it should generally be doable to goad her into exposing her secrets. If she buys that you're non-judgmental, possibly even a white knight who sincerely wants to make her "whole" again, that you feel bad for her and don't think she's broken or damaged for that - then I would be highly surprised if she didn't come clean.

[-] smirk_addict 7 Points 11 months ago

Exactly. This is underrated advice and true to the T. If you are not judgemental and easy going, girls will gleefully tell you their secrets. I got coffee with a very professional and educated woman. I gave off this vibe, and within 40 minutes of our convo she was telling me about her bisexual swinger parties she attends twice a month. I also had a couple of dates with a BP chick. Would divulge everything BUT her sex life. She was in therapy for I think the 5th time according to her. She wouldn’t let me kiss her or even touch her really. But she had the thousand cock stare, meaningless pop culture tattoos and had lived extensively in other countries “finding herself.” It didn’t last long. Maybe 3 weeks. She would’ve been a perfect FB. But she was slow rolling me into a boyfriend. I think because she had a drinking problem and i was someone who seemed stable(chump).

[-] exit_sandman 2 Points 11 months ago

I also had a couple of dates with a BP chick. Would divulge everything BUT her sex life. She was in therapy for I think the 5th time according to her.

In that case, you don't need additional intel about her sex life to know that she isn't relationship material.

[-] smirk_addict 0 Points 11 months ago

True. But I found it fascinating she’d tell me those things and not the other. Girls like that are self sabotaging when it comes to relationships. Maybe she’d rather me be “afraid” of her rather than “disgusted”. Women and their stupid ass insecurities...

[-] exit_sandman 2 Points 11 months ago

Well, maybe she didn't think that trying to omit this would serve her well - after all, it's hard to keep a fullblown psychological disorder under wraps. Or she identifies with her BPD condition and therefore owns it, but doesn't identify as a slut and therefore wants to distance herself from that as much as possible.

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[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 61 Points 11 months ago

Seems like some good points here. I would also add body count: If she admits to too many past relationships it's a bad sign (what too many is is up to you to decide.)

In addition watch out for women who describe themselves as "a lady" (they never are)

I also tend to like girls who like to read (they're not empty headed; they can entertain themselves instead of requiring constant attention from others) and girls who have a hobby.

Finally, single mothers are useless unless you're a single father in which case you might actually be better as a team. But as a single guy a single mother is a bad choice unless you're desperate to have children and are sterile or something.

[-] red_philosopher 60 Points 11 months ago

It's always a bad choice to date single moms, even as a single father. Haven't met a single mom worth shit in the dating world. They seem cool at first, but then their betazation process starts and you sigh inwardly, say AWALT, and dump them.

Every. Single. Time.

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[-] red_philosopher 10 Points 11 months ago

Except women get to hold men over a barrel for cash while you rot in a cell for 30 years.

[-] exit_sandman 4 Points 11 months ago

And both are, for some odd reason, extremely attractive for the opposite sex.

Up until that sentence I was with you. Single mothers aren't attractive to the opposite sex, because most men don't want to deal with another guy's spawn. It's just that plenty of guys conflate "single mom" with "easy/desperate woman", which makes guys in general more willing to hit on them (including losers who are afraid of rejection).

However, a lot of feminists, white knights and single moms themselves praise single mothers and make one sales pitch after another on their behalf. But that's just them bullshitting hapless saps, not an accurate display of their quality.

[-] 4thAndLong 9 Points 11 months ago

Another thing to consider with singles moms is that you will at best, be the 3rd most important person in her life. That is not the kind of woman you want in an LTR.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 Points 11 months ago

I dated a couple (decades ago) and quickly realised this too. Yes, they are all the same.

The best you can ever be in #4 in their lives - 1st is them, then their kids, then the kid's father, then you - and many times you aren't even that because their need for a provider causes them to to overstate their attraction to you.

[-] old_ex_commie 1 Point 11 months ago

What he said, and I speak from sad experience. Allow me to tell my tale.

I was a single BP dad who married a single mom. I was never allowed to be a father to her kid. He was in serious need of correction, with inflexible rules, to curb his criminal tendencies (mostly petty theft).

Every attempt to enforce the same discipline that I gave MY kids was blocked. He's now a career criminal, always back in the Pen for some new crime, while my own kids are productive citizens.

And as she was blocking me from giving that kid ANY kind of correction, she bitched about how I didn't treat him "equally" with my own!

[-] chanakya009 9 Points 11 months ago

A single mom will always be ready to throw you under the bus at the drop of a hat because she's done this before.

[-] get-tilted 3 Points 11 months ago

Yeah, for that first point you have to make her comfortable sexually enough to actually get the real body count.

One of my plates was constantly saying she had a lower single digit body count, but as she grew more comfortable with me it turns out it’s in the 30s.

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[-] Bruchibre 41 Points 11 months ago

I would add in the list:

- low n-count, no former ex-carousel rider.

- no tattoos/piercing she wouldn't be proud of.

- someone you would want to introduce to your parents and who would get along with them

- she has the kind of body type that you like and she will make efforts to keep it

[-] Truedemocracy4 11 Points 11 months ago

Tattoos are a HUGE red flag. Especially large ones

[-] Snowaey 2 Points 11 months ago

Ive seen people say that alot on here, could u elaborate?

[-] Truedemocracy4 4 Points 11 months ago

Shows poor long term planning. Disregard for appearance and perception of others.

[-] Thisismybot8 7 Points 11 months ago

All good points. Like I mentioned to someone else, the reason I brought up sex in the original post is because it's a critical indicator of how much experience she has. You'll quickly find out if she's already into anal, bondage, and extreme fetishes. The more of these, the higher the n count.

As far as keeping her body in shape in the future, take a closer look at how she perceives food and exercise. When you guys go out, is she the one finishing your plate? When you guys have somewhere to be, does she prefer to walk or take the car if it's somewhere close? These things make a difference.

[-] Truedemocracy4 7 Points 11 months ago

Look for girls that genuinely love fitness vs naturally skinny girls or girls just being fit for attention.

[-] snowmoose1 31 Points 11 months ago

My Red Flags when scouting for a LTR:

  1. Fatherless

  2. Male “friends”

  3. Lazy (no physical activities)

  4. Social media for validation

  5. High n-count (debatable who you ask)

  6. Attached and takes things too fast in the beginning (usually signs of BPD a.k.a control freak after 3 months. STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PSYCHOS.)

  7. Dirty sex from the beginning, no resistance (cock carousel slut/high n-count)

  8. No resistance with anything (no one is that alpha)

These are just some additional ones to the ones already mentioned here. These are also my oppinion on potential LTR based on experience. I stay away from a woman with those traits above unless she’s just some side pussy.

[-] Imperator_Red 6 Points 11 months ago

Male “friends”

This is such a weird one but it is so true. Literally every girl I've met like this just had something wrong with her that you can't really put your finger on.

[-] snowmoose1 6 Points 11 months ago

My ex grew up without a father and well, she had more male.. friends, cough* i mean orbiters/cc’s. They tend to seek validation through sex cause they lack that from their absent father from childhood. Well, never fkn get into something serious with those women.

[-] SKRedPill 30 Points 11 months ago

TL:DR - Go old school conservative.

Congratulations mate, you just eliminated nearly the entire other side of the modern human race!

But you forgot the most important point : NO BPD WOMEN!

[-] Thisismybot8 4 Points 11 months ago

I agree about BPD, but there's plenty of posts about that already. And not dating the mentally ill (BPD, bipolar, schizo etc) seems like a given.

[-] Rakialtj 2 Points 11 months ago

Try it... And there you go for a nice ride in a big carousel!

[-] IntensePancakes 24 Points 11 months ago

Good points. Only one I would disagree with is the politics part. A right wing nut is just as bad as a liberal/SJW/whatever. In "this day and age", any intelligent person will see the pros and cons of both sides.

[-] Thisismybot8 15 Points 11 months ago

Yeah I agree that there are nuts on both sides. I'm from the northeast so I only see the worst of the left. It's a good rule in my area because most women are so heavily left leaning that any inch to the right you can get is a blessing.

[-] smirk_addict 2 Points 11 months ago

I’m from the deep south. I see the worst of the right. But from my dating experience, hard right and hard lift women are both atrocious and worthless.

[-] dev_blockchain_ai 4 Points 11 months ago

Man I don’t know my man. I’ve dated far left and far right. And girls who don’t care.

My current long term is far right for a reason and I wouldn’t touch the other side with a 100 foot poll.

I’m not talking ‘MUH bush and conservative values hur dur’ brainwashed bullshit either.

She’s an ethno nationalist pro white and I wouldn’t have it any other way to be honest (she’s conscious of her race in decline and becoming endangered) and I can’t blame her.. I’m noticing too

[-] smirk_addict 2 Points 11 months ago

Endangered? I think you’re just hamstering your relief that as far as you know, she hasn’t fucked any brown or black guys.

[-] theDukesofSwagger 2 Points 11 months ago

She’s white? She’s automatically racist then

/s

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[-] Truedemocracy4 3 Points 11 months ago

Any one dogmatic about their beliefs political or religious isn't worth my time. I want someone more malleable and genuinely intellectually curious. Not some right wing retard who believes that way because it's how they were raised or some liberal who relies on buzzfeed for their thought

[-] AllahHatesFags 19 Points 11 months ago

A few other ones I would add:

  • Don't ever, EVER LTR single mothers unless maybe you are a single dad and she is a widow.
  • If she identifies as a feminist or uses the feminist talking points (The Patriarchy^TM or the wage gap) AVOID.
  • Certain other red flag words or phrases will let you know that she is no good, such as "If you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best."
  • If she won't shut up about her ex then she isn't over him and WILL go back to fuck him at some point.
[-] UnleashYourLife 14 Points 11 months ago

This post together with the other suggestions in the comments has eliminated like almost all women.

I would add something controversial to spice up the discussion;

Most of the "good girls" know both green and red flags. The retarded ones are easy to spot since they don't hide their shit, it's the ones that do - and do it well, you have to be careful around.

But how will you be certain without investing time?

[-] KeffirLime 11 Points 11 months ago

You invest as much as it serves you, It's not an audition for a part.

She's around because she's adding value to your life. The longer she adds value the longer she sticks around. If she stops adding value she no longer gets to stick around.

This is why they all go plate-fwb-ltr

You're not searching for a partner that fits these points, you're simply enjoying woman, who then prove themselves valuable because they're not riddled with these issues.

[-] UnleashYourLife 3 Points 11 months ago

There are women with red flags that still provide certain value, yet you still cut them out after sometime.

Define a valuable woman to you. What's a woman that adds value to your life?

[-] KeffirLime 3 Points 11 months ago

It's a woman who serves my wants and needs.

No woman will do this perfectly. There will always be a cost benefit being performed. Does the benefit she bring's outweigh the cost of keeping her around, that being time, energy, emotional effort etc.

That's for each individual to decide.

[-] Augans 3 Points 11 months ago

Will you serve her wants and needs?

[-] KeffirLime 6 Points 11 months ago

Generally she's servicing mine because I embody what she wants and needs.

Woman aren't generally going around altruistically expending excessive effort on men that don't satisfy them/they don't desire.

[-] red_philosopher 3 Points 11 months ago

I'd say that each stage is a standard deviation away from each other as well. Plates are a dime a dozen, FWBs are much rarer, and an LTR is basically 1 in 50 to 1 in 100. Still looking for a woman worth LTRing hahahaha. (Not holding my breath)

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[-] Warrior_King02 9 Points 11 months ago

Is it possible to come across women like this?

[-] Thisismybot8 6 Points 11 months ago

They're definitely becoming more rare but there are still some of them out there. In my opinion, if you have the option, I recommend meeting a girl in the age group of 20-25, the younger the better. Beyond that, they start to become bitter and tend to not meet these requirements. As I mentioned to someone else, I am currently seeing a woman that meets all of these criteria.

[-] freew33zy 2 Points 11 months ago

Even more than being bitter there's also the factor that ones who meet these lists end up in relationships and permanently taken. Every year a certain fraction of these girls leaves the market, so the older girls you look at the less will be good.

[-] Warrior_King02 3 Points 11 months ago

True. The chance you do meet a girl like that and she's not taken and then you are in a relationship, there's still a high tendency of her cheating and leaving you isn't there. Put her in the right circumstances and she'll do it? I mean sure they're intelligent but sometimes fighting human instinct is impossible. Not to sound morbid

[-] freew33zy 5 Points 11 months ago

Yeah I'd agree--I think nearly every woman would cheat in the right circumstance tbh. That's why it's important to find one who won't put herself in the wrong circumstance, which is probably more important than how you think a girl would act in certain situations tbh.

[-] Warrior_King02 1 Point 11 months ago

I feel as if the reason that they are becoming more rare is because of society changing and becoming shit. What's your thought?

[-] Thisismybot8 1 Point 11 months ago

Pretty much. Feminism has ruined a lot of women, there's no question about it.

[-] GEN_GOTHMOG 9 Points 11 months ago

Has anyone here actually met a woman who ticks all of the above?

I think if I stuck to this criteria I wouldn't be able to meet women full stop.

[-] Bruchibre 6 Points 11 months ago

I have. Been with her for 5 years now. Sometimes I feel like being single and playing the field again because I miss the hunt, but I can’t quit her because I feel that I’ll regret it and will never find an equal quality girl.

[-] askmrcia 4 Points 10 months ago

Keep your ass in your ltr. Trust me, you don't want to be back on this battlefield

[-] Thisismybot8 5 Points 11 months ago

I can confirm that I currently have one that meets all of these criteria. In fact, this post was largely inspired by her. As far as looks go, we're not bad looking people either. So I disagree with the guy that says they'll have to be a 5 or a 6 to meet these criteria. In my opinion though, women that are 9s and 10s may be too much to be LTR material but that's another post.

[-] AlternativeAward 5 Points 11 months ago

It’s possible to find those, just dont expect better looks than a 5-6

[-] snowmoose1 -3 Point 11 months ago

Yeah, a flight to Saudi Arabia and you’ll definitely find someone who will tick all boxes there are. It’s amazing what fear of being stoned to death can do!

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[-] into_devoid 4 Points 11 months ago

Yep, I got one. She still goes through the monthly hormonal shifts like every woman, but she apologizes profusely the day after and makes up for it 10 fold.

[-] RoninUnderground 1 Point 11 months ago

Like 9.5 of them, I have some other hangups though.

[-] 4thAndLong 0 Points 11 months ago

I currently just started dating a woman who ticks all the above boxes and more. The only negative thing about her is she doesn't cook that much and I do enjoy a woman cooking for me.

[-] Truedemocracy4 8 Points 11 months ago

Great stuff and true in my experiences. Be careful for girls that say one thing and do another. I have met several that say they are "ready to settle" and are "nerdy" but literally club 5x a month until 4am.

The night out thing I partially disagree with. Going out to get drinks with friends at a brewery or winery and end by 11 to midnight is a regular weekend activity for mature adults. The raging/blackout/clubbing until 2am shit though is very low quality especially if it happens more than once a month if that

Quality women do exist. NOT unicorns, but quality. Look for the woman at a 9am Saturday yoga class for example and not the bar slut

[-] mojavelover 8 Points 11 months ago

Honestly, it depends on if it's a plate or you're looking for a partner. Good points, if she's under 30 and never married and one is looking for a girlfriend.

I don't agree with the phone point. I get sketched if a girl wants to look at my phone. It shows a level of mistrust and is a huge red flag, for both sexes. It shows a level of insecurity, if a man needs to look at a woman's phone and visa-versa. Neither of you should be checking your phone when you're together, unless it's work related.

A plate doesn't need to meet all these criteria.

Low Maintenance, Intelligence, and have her own money is what does matter.

[-] Thisismybot8 8 Points 11 months ago

To clarify, you guys shouldn't be in each other's phones or even care. She just shouldn't be trying to hide it from you.

[-] SKRedPill 0 Points 11 months ago

My ex never allowed me to even touch her phone, even while asleep. She was a feather light sleeper. Once in her BPD fits she found her phone was missing and attacked me in a rage thinking I had it. On the other hand my phone was to be available to her at all times, failing which I had to deal with a very bad day. The phone I bought for her.

I have no idea what she was hiding. But it is a big red flag alright.

My mum and dad have numerous arguments daily, but there's nothing hidden from each others' phones that they don't share. Only very girly or men only conversations get some privacy - sometimes when you're talking to a close friend you do need personal space. That and men and women's only spaces. That is what I consider normal. Anything else, is a red flag. I do not see what a girl needs to be talking with other men that she can't share with you.

And don't buy into her shaming. If you're not the man at the top of her trust list, someone else is.

[-] cumfortably_dumb 8 Points 11 months ago

Very good points. Relationship with friends and family is the biggest marker to me.

[-] theDukesofSwagger 7 Points 11 months ago

She needs to be able to cook.

[-] NextBad 6 Points 11 months ago

The problem with this list is it's unrealistic , makes no sense, and sounds blue pill, Connecting with people on a emotional level is what makes a good LTR, and if her "flaws" match your "flaws" she will just get you. I generally gauge for how much she is into me.

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I also prefer a drug user, weed, molly, a line here and there, girl who do this just get me

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> She's not huge on social media: She should have under 1,000 followers on Instagram, under 1,000 friends on Facebook, and not have a Snapchat score that indicates that she might be a Snapchat slut.

I was really proud of my wife when she got a 1,000 follows, she put a lot of work into it and used it to help her business , but once again we stereotype people and try to read based on social trends , back in the 1940's if you listen to rock music you were low class, or poor character.

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> Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated.

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After I sleep with a woman I take her out to dinner, because I like going out, however my wife took me out and paid for everything, if she wanted romance she would use her own money (A keeper), we generally have a do what you want relationship

[-] Thisismybot8 3 Points 11 months ago

Of course there's exceptions to every rule. And if she's using IG for business that's completely different than using IG for validation, which is what I was implying.

Splitting the bill and taking turns are the same thing.

[-] red_philosopher 1 Point 11 months ago

if she's using IG for business that's completely different than using IG for validation, which is what I was implying.

It's still validation, however you want to split it.

[-] red_philosopher 2 Points 11 months ago

Connecting with people on a emotional level is what makes a good LTR, and if her "flaws" match your "flaws" she will just get you. I generally gauge for how much she is into me.

If her "flaws" match your "flaws" she will just "get" you. However, that doesn't mean shit. I met a girl who was hot, young, and "understood" me, and things were going really really swell. Then, she sacrificed it all on the altar of feels for another dude, and got a hard next.

AWALT

[-] NextBad 1 Point 11 months ago

Still have to be attractive, AWALT, if a meet a fat girl, who likes video games, and all my hobbies, is fun to be with, she is still fat you know

[-] exit_sandman 2 Points 11 months ago

I was really proud of my wife when she got a 1,000 follows, she put a lot of work into it and used it to help her business

The idea that excessive social media use is a red flag generally refers to, well, social use of social media and not for economic purposes. An influencer who monetizes her following is an entirely different animal from an attention and validation whore.

[-] eye8yourbaby 6 Points 11 months ago

A few years back I had the choice of vetting 2 women on opposite ends of this spectrum, and my dumbass went with the one that was a walking red flag for 2 years. (Knew of RP few years prior to my fuck up, but her daddy issues sex hooked me).

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In hindsight, I am kind of glad I fucked up because it brought me back here and bettering myself, also I am "young" in my late 20s. I was pressured to find "the unicorn" because everyone in my friend/age group are getting married, having kids, moving in together etc... Now I see what will happen in 7-10 years to them. My 2 best friends have no clue about this sub/RP theories but I fear for their future sometimes.

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I recently switched to an amazing career, and seeing both women and men in their 30s divorcing and with kids. Old me stuck in a shit relationship would see this as "normal" but now I see it in a totally different way and AWALT. Made me glad I left her crazy ass before the same happened to me. Because of her, it gave me the drive to switch careers, losing weight, being built, pursuing hobbies and being paid for them and more.

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As for "the one that got away" bs, it might of given me some false hope in knowing there might still be some semi decent women out there. Ya she was a tad older and nearing her wall, but she was "out of my league" which I know does not exist. But for now, I am having fun hooking up with chicks that I couldn't even dream of hooking up with in the past.

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Solid post OP

[-] geo_gan 5 Points 11 months ago

They have “scores” on snapchat?? Shows you how much out of the loop I am.

[-] Thisismybot8 3 Points 11 months ago

They definitely do. If she has Snapchat, it's something to consider.

[-] ex_addict_bro 4 Points 11 months ago

How to become gay in 3 simple steps

[-] UnleashYourLife 3 Points 11 months ago

Take a look in the mirror.

Would You, or would you not do him if you could?

[-] theDukesofSwagger 2 Points 11 months ago

“You do you”

“I would do me”

~Archer

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[-] wobbleelbbow 3 Points 11 months ago

She should have under 1,000 followers on Instagram

stopped reading here. If she has instagram it's a huge redflag. And under 1000 followers is still too fucking much to not be considered an attention whore.

[-] misiepatysie 6 Points 11 months ago

What about Instagram with little to no selfies and just photos of meals she cooked, cakes she baked and other purely hobby related stuff?

[-] wobbleelbbow 1 Point 11 months ago

Then it sounds more like a hobby than just mere attention whoring. In my opinion of course.

[-] Thisismybot8 2 Points 11 months ago

Feel free to modify these standards the way you see fit. I agree that the less followers the better. The current girl I'm seeing has around 200 or so because she doesn't post attention seeking photos.

[-] NoFaithInThisSub 1 Point 11 months ago

but she has 200 followers from...?

[-] Thisismybot8 1 Point 11 months ago

Family, friends, coworkers etc and inevitably sad betas that follow anyone and everyone. I checked, she has under 200 followers. She posts less than once a month and when she does, it's conservative group pictures or pics of me and her.

[-] Garathon 3 Points 11 months ago

Good post. I agree that these girls that fulfill all of these are a very good starting point.

[-] Thisismybot8 2 Points 11 months ago

Yeah it's simply a foundation. People have added other good points to consider.

[-] RoninUnderground 3 Points 11 months ago

I've been wrestling with this for months. I think I have a pretty quality gf, but she isn't very close to my ideal physically and doesn't stimulate me intellectually. I can substitute the mental aspects with other close friends, but being exclusive... not the former issue. It's hard to shake the feeling that I'm settling, but at the same time it seems not many women meet almost all the OP criteria.

[-] exit_sandman 3 Points 11 months ago

I've been wrestling with this for months. I think I have a pretty quality gf, but she isn't very close to my ideal physically and doesn't stimulate me intellectually.

At the end of the day I would seriously gauge which traits you want how much. I once had a friend who had a crush on me (thankfully she was unattractive so I never risked a relationship or anything of that sort) who was pretty close to ideal from an intellectual perspective: smart, nerdy, shared my hobbies and my taste in music, talented etc. However, she also was plain and simply damaged beyond repair, and even gullible BP me could see her brokenness.

If there's anything I learned from that, it was that at the end of the day, mental stability and positivity are ultimately more important than how much you're in sync. Ideally you have both, but if I had to choose, I'd take the former.

[-] Thisismybot8 2 Points 11 months ago

When you say physically, are you talking face or body? Because one of those is a lot easier to change than the other. As far as intellectually stimulating, she doesn't have to be at your level but there shouldn't be a gap of 20 IQ points either. I've been with girls that are exactly on my level intellectually and that got a little annoying because we'd both play mind games trying to outdo the other.

[-] red_philosopher 5 Points 11 months ago

Women who are remarkably intelligent tend to be CC riders. Never met a really sharp chick that wasn't.

[-] smirk_addict 3 Points 11 months ago

Have you found that they usually have looks as well as brains? I think women like that are very aware of how easy it is for them to secure a mate, so they have absolutely no reservations about indulging themselves. Almost every female doctor or lawyer I know was a really smart party girl.

[-] red_philosopher 1 Point 11 months ago

The really remarkable ones, top 2%, tend to suffer from a severe lack of motivation to do anything remarkable with their lives. They don't take good care of themselves either, usually, and most have a chip on their shoulder. Top 12% or so usually is the butter zone where you'll find more attractive, productive types, but even then you're still going to run into a lot more mental issues, as intelligence tends to lead to an internalization of rejection, depression, and all the fun disorders there.

I'd say anything from the mean to 1 standard deviation from the mean is the best bet for any sort of decent female. As you go up they just get worse and worse and worse.

[-] Thisismybot8 1 Point 11 months ago

Another point is that they become heavily career oriented and wouldn't be good mothers.

[-] Thisismybot8 2 Points 11 months ago

That's a good point. The smartest women I've met (med school, Ivy League) also happened to be the freakiest. At the same time, a lot of the low IQ ones I've met were dirty as hell too.

[-] exit_sandman 1 Point 11 months ago

As far as intellectually stimulating, she doesn't have to be at your level but there shouldn't be a gap of 20 IQ points either.

Depends on where you start. If you're, say, three standard deviations above the norm, someone two deviations below you (i.e. 30 points) is already pretty rare. Also, considering how frequently exceptional intelligence and psychological issues go hand in hand, going lower mustn't be the worst course of action.

[-] RoninUnderground 1 Point 11 months ago

Cute face, great ass, some pudge and granny tits (recently discovered she'd like to have them reduced, though I largely try to stay out of that, don't want to be held responsible for body issues down the line). She's smart, and in many ways different than I am which bears its own pros and cons.

[-] ChiTownBob 2 Points 10 months ago

I would add the following:

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  • Addictions are a no-no. This is broader than just illicit drugs. Gambling addictions are a no-no. Alcoholics are a no-no. If they're not actually living their lives, but seeking to medicate themselves away from it, they're not a good match, because they won't be living life with you. You'll just be an annoying interruption of their addiction instead of a partner in life.
  • Narcissism is a no-no. So is sociopathy. If you cannot spot narcissists/sociopaths, your life will be significantly worse. They don't make good partners in life because they're only in it for themselves and nobody else exists in the universe.
  • Religion - same as yours, and at the same level of practice. If she's a true believer and you're just meh, that's not going to work. If you're an atheist, find an atheist.
  • Shared values mean a better bond. The more things you agree on, in terms of ethics/morals, the more your lives will be happier as you get along better.
  • She must not be married to her career, unless you love polyandry and being the #2.
  • No mental illness. Is she BPD? Run for your life, warp speed.
  • Money: If she cannot handle money in a responsible way, run. Huge debts? Avoid her.
  • N=0 or a very low number. Promiscuous women cannot pair bond.

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[-] Wolveryn 2 Points 11 months ago

This whole post is based on the assumption that the reader cares for a wife, or a girlfriend or really any kind of women for qualities beyond being fun in bed.

It also implies that you think a vetting process somehow negates AWALT... which I concluded to be false some time ago

[-] Thisismybot8 3 Points 11 months ago

Yes, this specific post is meant to be a guide for red pilled men that want to consider an LTR in the future. Different men use TRP for different reasons.

I'm not trying to negate AWALT either, I'm simply trying to guide men to higher quality women, in terms of LTRs.

[-] ALFOND 2 Points 11 months ago

absolutely agree 100% with all your vetting points. they are common sense and I met girls like that

[-] Schnisi 2 Points 11 months ago

Damn, my ex was a real keeper.

[-] Churningaway 2 Points 11 months ago

Add the thousand cock stare on here. That shit is real. You can tell when she just got off the carousel

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[-] playingpoodles 1 Point 11 months ago

"• Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated."

You think you're RedPill and you're paying someone to be your girlfriend?

All you guys here who think your RedPill are such castrated Western jokes, I mean it, you're totally being framed by feminism and you chat here thinking you're readpill. Grotesque.

Wake the hell up gents. And get real, 1. Are her parents together and get along, tick, 2. How men many men has she had sex with, none/one mistake tick, 3. Is she mentally ill, no, tick. I'd personally pick a sane virgin from a single mother over a sane laid one or two guys already girl from a happily married couple.

Your suggestions are retarded, and kinda show how incredibly poor the pickings are for Western men these days.

[-] Thisismybot8 1 Point 11 months ago

At around 200 upvotes, I'd say the red pill community disagrees with you. I'm going to be real with you, you sound bitter as fuck and I can't take you seriously because of it.

In the meantime, I'll give you this piece of advice: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM

[-] The_Red_Trooper 1 Point 11 months ago

Nigga this post eliminates like 90% of women. The rest of the 10% have been married in their early 20s. I am 26 and live in conservative Nashville and all women past 22 are carousel riding Instagram thots. Even the conservative women who worship trump. I think that women are not ltr material past the age of 22. Every one is fucking everyone. This is why STD rates are at an all time high. I realized that I will never marry or take women seriously and I am now perfectly fine with that. Most men on this sub have no idea how easy it is for a women to get laid. Women can easily fuck 10 niggas a year and by age 30 have a body count of 120. I can tell you stories that you wouldn't believe. Red pill men just should spin plates and live life as a bachelor. Even if you are in a ltr then you should be having options in your back pocket and never marry.

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[-] Field_Of_View 1 Point 11 months ago

Women can easily fuck 10 niggas a year and by age 30 have a body count of 120. I can tell you stories that you wouldn't believe.

Tbf I don't think anyone here is astounded by those numbers.

[-] Andgelyo 1 Point 11 months ago

True. My ex plate/fuck buddy said he smashed like 60 something guys lmao she's 30. The older they get the more numbers they rack up. Don't trust these hoes

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[-] bakamoney 0 Points 11 months ago

These ones though don't fuck around.

(Also applies to you)

What do?

[-] maljo24 -2 Point 11 months ago

"the more right wing the better.."? No.

[-] Thisismybot8 4 Points 11 months ago

As I mentioned to someone else, I live in an area where most women are extreme leftists. Being too extreme to either side isn't a good sign.

[-] Pezotecom -6 Point 11 months ago

My ex is all of these things. We broke up because of distance a month ago. It's sad but I know there are a lot of girls like her.

She'll always have an important place in my heart.