Dating is a lot like sales, except instead of selling cars or apartments, you’re selling dick.
Being a dick salesman is the toughest sales job there is, because dick is always a buyer’s market. Dick is on sale 24/7. And worst of all, it’s an undifferentiated commodity. Realistically most of us are selling Toyotas, maybe a BMW if we’re lucky. Even the Rolls Royce of dick can be purchased from many salesmen. You are not unique.
As any good salesman knows, never let the buyer walk out the door. She may come back, but it isn’t likely. Perhaps a better salesman closes the deal. Maybe her mood changes and she doesn’t feel like buying anymore. You have no better chance of making that sale than on the first day.
So it is with dating. Your chances of getting hot Alpha sex start off high at Date #1 and rapidly diminish after that. Even if she initially appeared enthusiastic and excited at the prospect of buying your dick, she will not necessarily remain in that state.
Let me recount a tale from my own early days of selling dick.
“Tammy” was among the first girls that I dated after I broke up with my BPD college girlfriend. I had little experience with women at the time and hadn’t yet discovered TRP.
Tammy was objectively an HB7 or 8, and to me she checked every box. She was a very cute 20 YO student at a good university, with a charming feminine personality and classy demeanor. In other words, my exact feminine ideal. We met at a local hangout spot and had a great first date. She gave me massive IOIs...lots of touching, smiling, and compliments.
Part of me couldn’t believe it. I felt like such a fraud. Why is this high class girl interested in a guy like me? I was winging it, and I didn’t plan for success. We met on Tinder, for Christ's sake, so it should have been easy. When she asked what we were going to do afterward (green light to take her home), I choked. Instead I drove her home, and we made out in my car.
At this point Tammy bluntly declared that I was “really hot” and that she wanted to bring me inside...but that she didn’t want to seem slutty in front of her roommate.
I could have seized on this in several ways, but I didn’t. Instead we made plans to meet up again the next week. I went home feeling great and promptly Beta texted Tammy how much I was into her and was looking forward to meeting again. I truly thought we had a real connection, that the stars had aligned for me. Finally the universe was delivering all my hopes and dreams!
Then the shit tests started.
Because I failed to capitalize on a very obvious opportunity for sex and behaved like a Beta post-date, her hindbrain’s perception of me did a 180. We did meet up again, but she was somewhat cold and standoffish. I compounded the problem by blowing every shit test. Even though I made it to her room, I was stymied by last minute ASD the moment I tried to kiss her. She was clearly uncomfortable and wanted me gone; I wasn’t the hot Alpha she wanted after all.
I was stunned. I thought I had been doing so well, but somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Later she texted me saying she was sorry for wasting my time, that she had never used Tinder before, felt confused, and decided she didn’t want casual sex after all.
It was a crushing personal defeat, but also an eye opener. My Blue Pill conditioning dictated that it wasn’t right to take a “good girl” home on the first date...surely she would want to get to know me first.
I made several classic Beta mistakes during my brief time with Tammy, but chief among them was not making the sale on Day One. When you sleep with a girl on the first date, you make a big Alpha impression just by virtue of the fact that you fucked her. It’s a quirk of human psychology that we like other people because we do favors for them...not the other way around.
When a girl has sex with you, she assumes you’re awesome Alpha because she let you nail her. On the other hand, she rationalizes that you’re Beta because she didn’t sleep with you.
Ben Franklin, himself a noted Alpha and pussy slayer, first recognized this phenomenon over two hundred years ago.
Maybe she comes back after checking out other sellers, but why take the risk? Even if she does return, she’s going to be more skeptical now that she’s had time to think it over, and you’re going to have to work much harder to close the sale.
Remember that women act according to how they feel in the moment. Despite its ubiquity, the dick market is exciting and alluring. Girls see a nice dick, and like kids in a candy story, they can’t resist the temptation. Keep in mind that no girl goes shopping for dick if she isn’t considering buying, just as no one is at the car dealership “just browsing.”
Best of all, if she’s satisfied with her impulsive purchase and the goods aren’t damaged (Beta behavior, loss of Frame), she may want to keep that dick around for many years. But you’ll never know if you don’t at least try to close. Maybe you’ll fail, and that’s fine. At least you will never experience the pang of regret - that lingering riddle in your mind of what might have been. Think about that.
Pussy is for closers. Always Be Closing.
Lordvarkss 5y ago
Linking into the subject of sales, the harder you fight,the less they bite.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Time kills all deals.
Jut to bolster the idea of not waiting. Women will have sex with anyone on the first date if they press the buttons correctly and hold frame.
bestsparkyalive 5y ago
I can really relate to the Tammy story. Thanks for the post.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
Man, I remember being told a story about how "the customer is always right!"
It went something like this- Shoe Store owner stocked three types of shoes: Tan, Black, and Green. Why Green shoes? They were his favorite colour!
He would consistently sell out the Tan and black boots, but didn't sell a single green pair- even when pushing them on the customer!
Basically, it doesn't matter what you think they should want. What matters is what they're actually willing to buy!
You might fall back on your beta programming when put into a tough spot, and start being needy and insecure in your communication. You're trying to close the deal, after all! But this is a trap you've set for yourself, and once you feel like you're losing control of the situation, you'll resort to old behaviors to attempt salvage an already dead deal. Your fear of losing the close invariably leads you to losing the close. Sometimes, the best thing you can do is to walk away and come back when you've regained your bearings. You can't do or say the wrong thing if you keep your mouth shut and you're not doing dumb shit in front of her.
I had a point here somewhere, and I'm getting a bit lost. Basically it's fear is the mind killer. If you're making a decision based solely out of fear, it's better to just cut your losses and come back at a later time and tackle it from another angle at a later time with your frame regained and intact.
Don't make decisions off of emotions.
Edit: oh yeah! My point! Give the customer want they want! If they want to get fucked on the first night, fuck them by all means! Don't try to make them want a chivalrous beta gentlesir! If they wanted a beta orbiter, they wouldn't be trying to get you into their room.
AnakinRebornRage 5y ago
Fuck I wish I read this a week ago. Met a girl last week, fucked her well and sent her packing. Immediately went into Beta mode thinking I should play it safer after I had got the lay to keep her around and now I think I've fully alienated her. Just going to go no contact and call my loses here. If she returns whatever but most important, lesson learned. Any man on this forum right now learn from mine and others experience and read Warriors words 100 fucking times and then another 200 because this is some of the realest words I've ever seen on this forum. DO NOT FALL BACK ON BETA PROGRAMMING WHEN TRYING TO GET THE WIN. Not only will you lose the girl but you will also lose your self respect. Do not, do not, do not fucking do it. Real talk right here.
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delicoban33 5y ago
Can't agree more. Blue pill self appears immediately after being threathened by her giving indications of disinterest. Sometimes nexting her in your mind helps more when gaming. Game is obvious but applying it is not easy at all.
z2a1-9 5y ago
Ain't that the truth and you better close to get that pussy. Nice write up bub!
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wholewheatdirtydog 5y ago
You'll never know if you don't go You'll never shine if you don't glow
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Yes, that's most guys' problem. All they have to offer a woman is dick in the box, which then can lead to bastards.
five-acorn 5y ago
Your sales thing is spot on.
The story doesn't seem exactly related. It's a separate phenomenon.
A girl's sexuality is HIGHLY dependent on being lusted after, being conquered (the opposite of male sexuality). It's odd to imagine but yeah, a girl gets turned on knowing you want to slam that vag. She has to 'feel beautiful/ sexy' to enjoy getting pounded. It's a reactive sexuality in a way.
Not all girls want to fuck on the first date.
BUT -- when a girl presents to you the opportunity to fuck her, openly, as she did (I want to have sex with you ... but my roommate) (typical token bullshit you have to attempt to get around) --- you HAVE TO TAKE IT, immediately, or she will lose attraction. She will feel ugly or something after, rejected, and the magic will be gone.
You should have said "well who cares we'll just talk" and fooled around. Or gone back to yours. Or figured out literally anything, a suitable sex location is essential at all times. Hell if she's hot enough I would have gotten a motel room LOL. Just say it's a secret spy mission and you'll get a vibrating bed (doesn't exist anymore but loool).
It's odd because yes, girls don't like extremely thirsty/ chasing guys generally. BUUT if you're out on a date, and she likes you, different story. It's "okay" to admit you want to fuck her, doesn't mean you want to marry her LOL. It's a delicate tight-rope, yes.
vfb14 5y ago
The flaw with this analogy is that even though it can be very accurate about the "dick market" being overtly saturated, and only winners being able to close, thus resulting in women being able to disregard and pick as they please, it still operates within the confines of the feminine imperative. While it is true that there is a higher chance of you scoring in the first date if you show Alpha fucks characteristics, it does not guarantee that a girl will fuck and/or keep on fucking you because ultimately, she will be the one who subjectibly makes this determination of you. What you are advocating for is the constant chase of validation that some random pussy can momentarily provide you (your example of "Tammy" is an excellent example of this because it still is present in your memory). What the redpill advocates is the I'm the prize mentality, which of course won't be true for the majority of men reading this subreddit because in order to be considered a prize for the majority of women, you would have to be on the top percentage of the looks, money,status and game departments. As we know only a selected minority lives there, but for the rest of men, this lays up a map of what to strive for, so they can slowly transform their present.. into an idealized future, while developing outcome independence regarding women. There's a very good analogy about being a rock or a mushy turd posted somewhere in here, don't encourage men to become mushy turds.
NextBad 5y ago
You don't need to be top anything, self love comes from within, this is why a homeless crack addict can do better than a investment banker millionaire.
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vfb14 5y ago
Self love yourself all the way to the top of the world buddy.
Razkolol 5y ago
What?! If you’re selling dick you’re playing the wrong game, since I’m the powerhouse with the resources and the potential to gather more and more I’m the one shopping and test driving around. Your currency is commitment, and personally I prefer leasing.
five-acorn 5y ago
He's speaking at a macro-level.
Yes there are two somewhat-related markets --- Sex and commitment --- not every woman is looking for commitment though.
Don't get too hung up on who is "selling" who, that is unimportant.
"Selling dick" or "buying pussy" -- yeah there is no real money being exchanged. He is just talking about the sexual marketplace.
No matter where you stand as a male, it's obvious that it's a "pussy's market" -- which means when it comes to sex, the dick market is far softer than the pussy market. OBVIOUSLY. This is why Porn and Strip clubs are all about pussy ... needless to say, it's a bit one-sided.
You can be a diamond male but still. You can say the Housing market is a "buyer's market" if home availability outstrips demand, it means the home sellers price will lower, they will do backflips and dances for buyers. There can still be a "gem" mansion home that buyers fight over, the entire market is still a "buyer's market" however.
Needless to say the commitment market is generally a man's market. That's less important to guys that just want to get laid, however.
Razkolol 5y ago
Well if you’re doing trp right you should be in the top 10% with ease unless you’re somehow disfigured or a midget, there shouldn’t be any talk about « dick selling ». Limited edition ferraris are not in the same used car market as vw polos, you need to be on a exclusive list to have access to them. I don’t agree with any of op’s points, « limited timeframe to fuck », « selling dick », etc. Sounds like the more time she spent with him the more she realized that he’s a vw golf advertised as a sportscar, she went from interested to maybe. He thinks he was passing shit tests when in fact he failed all of them, she invited him in but he couldn’t escalate properly; she texted him « sorry for wasting your time » as a second chance to potential dates/chances for escalation, if she really didn’t want to fuck she wouldn’t have texted back anything, sounds like he failed at building comfort and escalated awkwardly. Anyways, don’t sell dick, Ferrari doesn’t advertise on tv for a reason.
five-acorn 5y ago
If it were that easy, every guy here would be getting more ass than a toilet seat. Real talk: Reading != doing. And sometimes you can read some "wisdom" and not fully understand it until you're "ready" to understand it. It often requires some experience and other know-how.
Dick selling isn't a dirty word or weak frame. The idea that men have to perform action to get laid is just true at face value. You don't need to "Jedi Yoda" the shit outta it. Exceptions might include A-list celebrities like Tom Cruise or Steven Tyler, etc. HOWEVER, if these guys were pro-active, they would get EVEN MORE ASS than if they just waited for the girls that jumped on them. Sitting back is for women anyway. Guys conquer and pursue and fuck.
This is absolutely 100% true, for a specific girl. You frequently do have a limited window to fuck. Either before she gets a boyfriend, moves away, or simply loses interest because you made her feel ugly.
I don't believe in shit tests. They're garbage. If the correct answer is to ignore them anyway, then ... you shouldn't believe in them, you'll naturally ignore them. Girls (and men by the way) act irrationally all the time. No credence or "special handling" is necessary. Just don't give a fuck. Sorry but even mentioning "shit tests" sounds weak to me. Forget that shit.
She put sex on the table and he refused. This kills female attraction. Correct.
Look it's a metaphor. You want to get your dick sucked; she wants to get her pussy licked. If the word "sell" scares you in describing the sexual marketplace, you have bigger problems. End of the day, she needs to want to suck your dick. Salesmanship, persuasion, "game" - whatever the fuck you want to call it, it's the same shit. If you're a Male 10 and need minimal to no-game, good for you, That's a rare thing in this group.
Razkolol 5y ago
Doing trp correctly by lifting 4 times a week/ making bank via career/ business is more than enough to get into the 10% if your genetics aren’t complete shit. After that why would you pursue/conquer/ w/e women if you’ve got 10 other leads waiting, abundance gives you the correct mindset for female interactions. Shit tests are real, look at op crumbling down under lmr. You don’t have any timeframe to fuck, you can fuck chicks even years later, boyfriend/moving away etc. yea ofc but op’s message was « if you don’t fuck after the first date it’s done » which is complete bullshit.
Trp is all about upping your smv in order to not have to rely on « persuation/game/etc. » to get laid, the amount of effort is way too high and the reward (starfish fucking a girl that’s really not that into you) is really not worth it, look at pua tactics telling guys « you’re enough, just approach 1k women until you find one stupid enough to suck your dick » that time is way better off spent on yourself, women shouldn’t be your life purpose, they’re a cool attraction that adds enjoyment to your life, you don’t need to pitch your dick to them xD
OfficerWade 5y ago
So if Dick is for sale are they buying it with their pussy?
Sounds legit.
redpill77 5y ago
Good post up until you frame sex as a favour to you. Sex with an alpha is a blessing for her. The reason she thinks you're alpha is because you made it happen and took what you wanted. If you don't, not only does she have time to think it over, she also has good reason to think you're not the strong willful man she thought you were.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
I don't see how you got that's it's a "favor" out of all this. Sex is simply the natural result of successfully selling your dick (i.e. Game).
redpill77 5y ago
You framed it as such when you called it a favour:
and when you say that
If she wants validational sex- that is to say that you've successfully sold her your dick- she's getting what she wants from you, she's not giving anything up.
p3n1x 5y ago
Your dick was purchased the moment she agreed to a date. No need to continue pushing the sale after it has already been bought (This is exactly what BPs do). Now make her sell her pussy. She didn't do YOU a favor. How you start with a woman is how you finish.
She didn't LET you do anything. YOU allow her into your world and presence. Your dick and making her come is her reward for proper behavior. Redpill77 is just trying to rotate the context you are coming from.
The mistake in your post was assuming that Tinder is for "dating". Woman do not swipe on men they want to date. They swipe right only on guys they are willing to fuck "at some point", when that fucking happens is entirely up to you and how you handle the date. Men need to realize that the first date = game on.
Men elongate the dates, talk about personal victories and OVERSELL because of the "are you sure? are you sure?" insecurities. Or, men are trying to cultivate a LT fuck relationship prior to actually fucking.
Wolveryn 5y ago
They will swipe right on guys that look like LTR material, and they will very much NOT fuck that type of guy on date 1. I know because I've been there before and I know as well as anyone how to close with a girl that went on the date to fuck on date 1.
If she's over 26, the chances are she's decided she needs to be choosing her encounters with men with a longer term mindset to reproduce, nest and/or get resources from (marriage followed by divorce)... unless you're a super hot guy, in which case she's just after the fun your dick provides.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
How many people walk onto a car dealership and go "yep, that one in black is what I want. No need for a test drive, just tell me how much it is. Let's do this!"
No. There is banter and shit testing and ultimately she expects you to guide the interaction to where you both want it to go. I can go from meet to bang in 30 min, but she doesn't just fall and impale herself with my dick in the shower. The man has to close the sale.
Who said anything about pushing? A good salesman doesn't push, but rather guides and finesses the interaction to where both parties want it to go. If the customer really doesn't want to buy, then he abandons her for better prospects.
That is the total antithesis of the male sex drive. There are two questions that men ask themselves about sex with women:
1) is she hot 2) is she sexually available to me
What you're talking about is the relationship side.
Never said that.
mattyiceheretoentice 5y ago
Yeah sure guy, sex with an alpha is a favor to the girl. But if you don’t strike while the irons hot you are not putting yourself in the most favorable position. OP couldn’t be more right in saying that girls feel in the moment and the very fact that a girl has sex with you makes her believe that you are a beast and earned the pussy, even if you are actually a pussy and she didn’t see it at the time. In OP’s case, they didn’t. Now the girl literally starts to subconsciously think “we didn’t have sex, he must not be worthy of the P”. Shit tests will ensue regardless to continue to measure this guy up but stop telling yourself that if sex doesn’t happen the girl is the one missing out. She may be but just strike while the iron is hot
five-acorn 5y ago
Why would an alpha pity-fuck a girl? Sex is a mutually beneficial exchange. I only fuck girls because I want to get my wick wet, and yeah of course I'll get her off, that's the whole point for her.
Exactly. Every additional date is more chance to fuck it up. And if she offers sex and you refuse, her attraction will die. Women want to feel conquered/ the object of desire.
Oh yeah post-sex, the power shifts towards the man, everyone knows this. Whole vibe changes. Hard for a dime model to act arrogant to you when you just slammed her and blew your wad on her belly.
Exactly. She overthunk it, felt weird mixed emotions, and figured the guy was another fumbling awkward stooge who couldn't get it done. Perception > Reality. A girl can be scatter-brained; it's the guys job to figure out logistics and get the road to sex done.
Guy has a job in the dance. She said "you're hot and I wanna fuck, but .. muh roommate" -- given saying she wants to fuck (holy shit you're in) -- the roommate thing was just a typical girl "token fake excuse" (be careful here to read her emotions) -- in order to not seem like a "slut". I'm NOT saying plow through girl's "no" or whatever, I mean there are fake excuses that wilt at the slightest suggestion. "hey wanna come up to my place for some tea?" "I have to get up early tomorrow and don't like tea" --- "okay just come up and we'll drink hot cocoa then" "well okay". They are literally just fake excuses that they think they have to say once.
redpill77 5y ago
I agree except for
This benefit is gone as soon as the sex is over. It provides little security against loss of frame.
It's called spinning plates because it's a constant challenge to keep them spinning, but you can drop it and in a second it's gone for good.
five-acorn 5y ago
I disagree, you slam a girl the vibe is forever changed.
A girl can barely "mean girl" you once you've slammed her. I mean sure, if you're in a hen-pecked marriage, different story, but if you have no obligations towards her ... vibe changes
handfulofnuts 5y ago
Nah. I’m a pussy connoisseur, not a dick salesman. The girl has to convince me that her pussy is worth trying. I don’t have a problem getting pussy.
Take pussy off the pedestal. You’re the prize, not her.
five-acorn 5y ago
Since the man is leading the interaction to sex and the girl is generally 99% of the time the final gatekeeper to sex, you're selling dick whether you like it or not lol.
It might be a free Mazerratti that every girl wants to drive, and thus requires zero sales effort. It's just an abstract way to talk about the sexual marketplace.
Standards are great, but 90% of the time I show up to a date, if she looks like her pics, I'd bang her at least. Even if she's a weirdo. Not saying she's worth a second go but LOL.
handfulofnuts 5y ago
It’s about the underlying mindset. Placing pussy as the end goal (pussy is for closers) is the wrong mindset.
markinsinz7 5y ago
Was hoping for more on this post. Even the one on the asktrp sidebar isn't too solid. How really do we go about opening building rapport and then getting the girl home. How to increase the situation to the point the girl WANTS to come home with you.
Curse of trp is that it's too smv based. Maybe frame can help a lot but I'm missing something sometimes when I go out and meet girls. I can get to make out but when time comes to close they'd rather go home with some dude from their social group....sigh.
DoneScannedIt 5y ago
Frame is not a technique. Frame is maintaining self control, which includes how you react, or more likely, how you don't react to provocations because of your deep self confidence and the attitudes of abundance and DGAF... You act according to your will. Not as a response to another.
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TRP is not PUA. You'll find that kind of advice on a PUA site. I mean you will find it here, in the context of a RP mindset and actions.
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TRP is all about focusing-on, and improving yourself, which increases your SMV, which makes you more attractive. It also builds an RP mindset.
redpill77 5y ago
SMV is emphasized because pick up techniques aren't as reliable, because they are all about faking high-value behaviours. Everything comes down to frame, and if you focus only on technical you might just fake it and forget about the till-you-make-it part.
I agree that there is a lack of step by step guides, as they are very helpful for beginners/intermediates. I don't think I can link, but look up vin dicarlo escalation ladder, it's pretty straightforward and all about kino.
Reddit posts I suggest you look up are:
While you are talking to her, she is observing you
On the implications of powertalk and other language categories. (and the articles linked in the comments)
Transcendence and hypergamy
HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD: 37 Rules of Approaching Model-Tier Girls
jalapenotrp 5y ago
Is not the curse of trp, smv is what women are attracted to.
markinsinz7 5y ago
Yes but that's if you are using basic guy game. There comes a point where bitches don't care about smv anymore cause they are surrounded by high smv dudes all the time. This is when they go for some dirt bag type cause the dude had game.
Let me be clear nothing is more powerful or rather more decisive in your results to bed women that the ability to emotionally affect them towards positive outcomes.
Sadly something I'm terribly struggling with
jalapenotrp 5y ago
You don't understand trp quite yet.
But continue doing what you are doing, you'll figure it out.
nitzschii 5y ago
great post, I liked it !
I've already heard about that concept, but reading it in this context was absolutely mindblowing.
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Thanks for your time writing this !
bakamoney 5y ago
Feels like you live in their frame.
RoyalScores 5y ago
This place has been flooded by incels that upvote these empty-ass posts. Just look at that cringy fucking title.
Where have all the respected red pillers gone?
SoA_MC 5y ago
What happened to “you are the prize”?
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Personally I don't like the "You Are the Prize!" mantra. It's empty, feel-good New Age bullshit that doesn't belong in a forum that purports to discuss reality. A 200 lb whale is still a whale no matter how many times she tells herself she's beautiful.
Sorry to trigger you, but most guys aren't a prize. They're selling the Toyota of dick. Ideally you want to be the Maserati, which pretty much sell themselves, but until that happens you're better off learning to Game like a champ (i.e. sell dick). That isn't inconsistent with holding Frame.
Steve Jobs built the best products on the market, and he knew it. But the man also knew how to make a fucking sale. He closed like no one else. In fact most of the value-added for Apple products comes from the marketing side.
That's the ideal: having real value but also having the Game to sell it. If "You Are the Prize!" really was all there was to it, then we wouldn't need Game.
five-acorn 5y ago
The frame of "I'm valuable as a sexual partner" is actually a very important one.
You said this doesn't mean much, say, on a 200 lb whale woman. BUT -- it actually does. A fat chick with proper frame and game will do FAR BETTER than a fat chick who is extremely desperate and thirsty. YOU may still not fuck her, but nevertheless, it does grant her more ass, even as a woman.
Now, in reality, a guy who is Beta Chode, the frame "I am the prize" can be difficult to actually believe and hold. AND, it will enhance his results, but you got to work on game & product.
Plus, guys misuse the frame. "I am a valuable sexual partner for her" doesn't mean "I'm such King shit, I can just sit here and pussy will fall on my lap" ... or "fucking slut lesbian, good riddance! her loss!" Uh guys with high sexual value don't care about this shit. It SHOULD NOT encourage passiveness, or thinking the woman should be working for your dick. IT SHOULD encourage self-respect and confidence and confident action to move the interaction forward and towards sex, which is the mans job.
Sex is not a "favor" or "donation" from woman to man. Terrible frame. Frame is "this is a mutually beneficial pleasurable act" - which it actually is. In all honesty, women get far more sexual pleasure from sex than men do. Repeated orgasms, screaming, all this shit. Sorry but my orgasms aren't nearly as good as that & I know it. These are important details here. Groveling or begging for pussy is a terrible frame -- that's the whole point of "I'm giving her a valuable sexual experience -- particularly if I'm not a beta chode like most guys. She'll remember this night for years to come."
I'm not even being arrogant. The bar is not high for sex. Most guys don't even care about the women's pleasure and grunt out a few chodely pumps and that's it.
p3n1x 5y ago
Take the fedora off, Pimp theory isn't "New Age".
You are the one equating sex to business (pimp).
How about you quit pushing a "mediocrity new age mantra"?? Stop telling Bloops it is ok to be lazy.
You had such a good post, (it needs some minor context correction), then you reply with this contradictive horse shit.
xgozax 5y ago
How is he saying it is ok to be lazy?
p3n1x 5y ago
He is saying one is better off at learning game, prior to getting your shit together (LAZY). You know what happens to a bear that eats at a dumpster for too long? (LAZY)
Having only game as a tool leads to being that bear.
His post closes with more crap that she will hang around if you have a good frame (guess how you get good frame?).
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
Nobody will know that fact unless you advertise yourself properly. No girl is going to look you up in the phone book, cold, and come knocking on your door asking "does alfacox live here!?"
SoA_MC 5y ago
They’ll know it for a fact from how you present yourself normally, day to day, that’s enough of a sales pitch man.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
Yeah, you become a walking billboard. That's the idea. When a girl sees you, you want them seeing a Charger or a Mustang, not a Ford Focus or a Prius. Certainly not a PT cruiser. It's passive advertising, not active.
Women certainly won't know about your life if you never leave the basement. Don't leave your mouth open, expecting a cooked goose to fly inside. Or something.
p3n1x 5y ago
When you are doing it correctly, they won't give a shit. They won't ask about children, wives, school, money, cars etc... Your presence and how you behave are enough.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
None of those things are you. They're just things, toys or trophies you collect. You're equating life with status. They're not the same thing. Your behavior, your frame, your physique, your health, your intelligence, your perspective- these are things that constitute your "life." Those are the only things you really can "own" in this world.
p3n1x 5y ago
Maybe I misunderstood you, I was countering your billboard comment. Billboards are for the material world 'things' ;) Maybe it was a bad analogy to use.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
Not my best analogy, but it's compared to being a sleazy salesman. Better to have a quality product that's in demand rather than trying to pass off a lemon as a steal.
I'll come up with a better analogy.
ryanb562 5y ago
There is one missing angle here.
In sales, especially retail sales, perceived value is everything.
The quality of most items is basically at parody. So are most descent looking dudes with any game. Everyone has their angles to leverage.
It’s all about perceived value and how you market yourself. That’s where “be the prize” comes in.
Does Louis Vuitton go on sale? No. They perceive their value to be higher than any other brand...and last time i checked, its every HB8’s+ favorite brand. You need to have this same mentality.
Be the prize, market yourself, and close.
Just as a little testament to how powerful this impulse is: http://fortune.com/2018/11/28/payless-fake-luxury-store/
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Right but how many guys actually are Louis Vuitton? Not many. I truly don't believe 90% of dudes on this forum are at that level, or will be any time soon...if ever.
No matter how many times you tell a person the knock-off bag is real, it's still a fake. No matter how many times a whale repeats she is beautiful, she is still a HB2 fatass. No matter how many times some skinny-fat Beta says "I Am The Prize!"® he is still a skinny-fat Beta.
The brand perception that you speak of comes from marketing, i.e. Game. Apple iPhones, from a strictly utilitarian standpoint, are cheap to produce. All of the value-added is from marketing. Steve Jobs knew he had a great product but he succeeded because he had salesman game.
It gets back to the eternal Looks/Status vs. Game debate. This post is about the latter. Someone else can write about how to become a Maserati Cock, which of course I fully support.
five-acorn 5y ago
You don't have to be a Louis. A couple notches above Walmart purse should get you PLENTY of ass. The average man (including here) are Walmart purses. It's tough to admit, very tough. Get your ass into the gym, the salon, the tailor, etcetera. If you haven't been laid in a year (which is generous) - you're probably a Walmart purse. Get working.
I agree, but that's where fake it 'til you make it comes in. Trust me, a fatass with an average face with enough makeup + game can swing way above her league, and that's a woman where game matters less. We can debate internal vs. external game, but if you "understand" the mindset and can fake it, you get better results than acting a desperate thirsty chode.
Getting laid is (Sales/ Marketing) X Product. The former is Game in the moment, the latter is your looks, style, wealth, long term social status, lifestyle, etc. BOTH are important. You should work on BOTH.
A grizzly dumpy lardass with MAGNIFICENT GOAT game can bang 10s. I've seen it. Extremely rare though. A perfect 10 male model can fail hard with women if he has terrible game (shit confidence, logistics, inaction). Of course the higher your "product" is, the less level of game you need for the same results. Product x Marketing (game) = Ass.
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Origami84 5y ago
What's my pay, orgasms? I can get them for free by hand, or by subappalting a whore - way cheaper than the current expenses of the dick salesman business. Honestly seems like a terrible job.
five-acorn 5y ago
If you think beating off or paying a whore is the same positive experience as fucking a hot woman, then yeah there's little benefit.
Most guys would disagree though.
Finding a slam piece that will fuck you every week is cheaper than a weekly hooker, too -- among other benefits ....
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Vikingcel 5y ago
What's the alternative? Selling lubed up boy-pussy?
Origami84 5y ago
LTR if you value the companionship, hookers if you don't. Or hookups if you can get them easy, and actually want them.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Hookups and ltr is being a dick salesman. Hookers is being a bad dick salesman that pays the customer.
redartist 5y ago
That holds merit if your time is cheaper than a ho's. If you make multiples of her hourly then it's not as clear cut.
You aren't paying them to stay, you are paying them to leave promptly after you're done.
Vikingcel 5y ago
That's one of the 'RP' hamster phrases. You have to spin your wheels really hard to convince yourself that a lady who wouldn't slurp your dick if you didn't reward her with money is being paid 'to leave promptly after you're done'.