I strongly believe in stealing, when the goods are worth it, so I'll quote the excellent comment by /u/Mgtowredpillonroids to introduce the issue:
Hookers are your friend, mate. (well, as long as you don't let them steal your money) Honestly I find ever since I either approach the situation as "I don't want sex tonight" or "Just got my dick sucked by a nice escort, no need to impress any ladies at the bar now" I ACTUALLY enjoy "gaming" women. I'm completely outcome independent, so I can really be in the moment and enjoy that teasing, that back-and-forth, that dancing around each other. That never worked for me when I went out with that nagging thought in the back of my head that "I need to get laid tonight". Outcome independence and abundance mentality get thrown around a lot here but if you have no basis to get it from then it's pretty useless, at least to me. In other words: If you're not already getting sexed, (by hookers or plates) achieving actual outcome independence is incredibly hard and more of a fake it till you make it kind of thing (but one that doesn't work). This is why incels should go on a trip to the Phillipines or wherever and then go out some nights as well and just see what kind of a difference this shit makes. You're way less in your head and you stop thinking about applying more "cocky&funny" or whatever.
Now, probably many of you aren't into regular prostitute usage (it's officially illegal in many countries), and many might never even have had one experience. Thing is, there is a way to reap the benefits of prostitution to getting you an IDGAF attitude, even if you don't actually use prostitution. And that is by applying the basic principle of meditation: if you just imagine a situation, your brain first believes it to be true, until it finds out it is not, and this initial belief is enough to give you a degree of relief.
Well, this is at least what they say about meditation (e.g. The Charisma Myth). If you are an analytical thinker, you might have a great difficulty "imagining" and letting this kind of self-placebo work.
So, for all you analytical thinkers out there, I'll just tell you another way to go at it, involving less imagining and more practicality: DECIDE to use prostitutes. Don't imagine. Really decide that if push comes to shove, you are prepared to use a prostitute. Do a little researching around. Find out where to get them. Read online reviews, see who are the best, learn about the prices, visit places, familiarize yourself with the idea.
Now, if your girlfriend dumps you, you will use a prostitute. If your wife has three headaches in a row, you will use a prostitute. If you don't get a girl back home tonight, you will use a prostitute.
The good thing about this method is that you don't have to follow through your decision. No one will blaim you. You have decided to do it, you might take one off and do it next time. You could actually keep doing this almost perpetually, and never actually use a prostitute! Just knowing that there is that pressure valve over there and you can use it, can work miracles to relieve your neediness.
This is actually cheating on the game, without cheating on yourself. ("Whow, this guy is not acting desperate, he must have other things going about him". - Just don't tell her that it's either her or a prostitute, that's on your mind.)
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Know the risks. Here in Central Texas recently, 16 men were arrested in a prostitution sting, had their names and photos posted in the online news section. One white guy was easily found on LinkedIn with a matching photo - he was a VP in a tech company.
DexterousRichard 8y ago
Best to stick to places where it's legal and safe. That is, not in the USA.
Lord_shitmeister 8y ago
"I'm completely outcome independent, so I can really be in the moment and enjoy that teasing, that back-and-forth, that dancing around each other."
I really REALLY don't understand that. I mean I love escorts but what do you need to "dance around" regular sluts for if you're not trying to get laid ?
Do you actually enjoy the company of these brainless twats ??
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adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Well, you are both lucky and unlucky in this.
Lucky, because you have a mentality that can land you sex.
Unlucky, because you need the validation high so much.
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adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Frankly, no. I'm only in here for the sex.
Personally, I've had the unfortunate luck to experience success (in a specific field) very early in life. Makes you see the hollowness in being an achiever.
What I've gathered is that men need to get their validation needs covered by friends. Real intimacy is the answer, and women are not suitable for that. It's just too Sisyphean, getting validation from them.
Have a look at my book, if you 're interested for more.
RedPillAccount69 8y ago
So, I'm sitting right now in a well known prostitute country. Anyway, the lesson that I learned is not that you should neccessarily fuck prostitutes (although I have), but rather that you need to clean your mind of the social stigma AGAINST fucking prostitutes. That socail stigma exists to enslave you.
Once you learn to navigate the world of prostitution and it becomes an option, that is all you need.
When I first started travelling to (and working in) this country I used to fuck the whores. Now, I usually don't even want to, but simply knowing that it is an option keeps me in check when dealing with non-prostitutes.
Hope that all made sense: TL;DR, learn to navigate the world of prostitution. Some people like fucking whores. If that's not your thing that's ok, just make sure to know it's an option.
5t3fan0 8y ago
may i add to your TLRD with some more i believe myself, same idea in different context:
a man should know how to make a shelter and fire, even if he doesnt want/plan to get lost in the woods;
he should know how to fight and wrestle, even if he doesnt want/plan to get involved in a drunk bar brawl;
of course the list goes on and on
RP_Vergil 8y ago
This is the fucking truth, using Prostitutes shouldn't shame you, if anything it should shame the woman who think that their Pussy command an enormous value when you could pay as cheap as $80usd for a tight young pussy in a foreign country for a night of fun.
This too. Once this becomes an option you can tap on, forget about porn, forget about trying to please those woman drunk on whatever society is feeding them. It's either your way by your rules (them entering your frame) or you can get it cleared by simply, paying.
RedPillAccount69 8y ago
$80?
Dude in Medellin you are talking 20-25.
DaphneDK 8y ago
The going price here is $15-50 for the whole package.
toalysium 8y ago
This is why one of the best birthday presents my dad ever gave me was a trip to Nuevo Laredo. Once a man pays $20 for a gorgeous piece of ass he forever knows exactly what pussy is worth.
Nowadays a woman has to offer more than a warm wet hole to get more than $20 worth of my time (adjusted for inflation).
Five_Decades 8y ago
There are men who pay $100+ for a date with a woman who has a terrible personality and who is ugly. And they are lucky if they get a kiss at the end of the night. If guys like that knew they could get laid by an expert who is far more attractive for less $ than that, they would stop supplicating to all these low quality women and screwing up the dating market dynamics.
One of the best quotes I've seen on TRP. On another forum we were debating Chinese women and how many of them demand a man who makes 10k+ a month, has 100k+ in assets (in USD, not RMB). A hooker is far, far, far less than that and will provide higher quality service. A guy who truly understands that sex can be rented isn't going to put up with gold diggers.
ComradeGoby 8y ago
Aren't you guys worried about diseases with prostitutes that cheap? These trips sound fun but how high is the risk?
toalysium 8y ago
Meh... Wrap it before you tap it and conduct visual and olfactory inspections.
With proper procedures the risk is no greater than picking up a common slut at a bar. In a lot of brothels she'll make a point of going down on you first, not so much because hookers like sucking dick, but because she's doing the same checks for her own health.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
They don't have condoms in your country? I sure as shit hope you're not kissing or doing oral with a hooker.
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OK lets say you are a 35-45 year old man with a solid career - luxury car - sweet crib - all the comforts of home - big screen, bad-ass gaming rig, king sized $7K bed, jacuzzi waterfall into the pool, little patio bar summer kitchen setup to entertain when you want to with a built in keg freezer and tap which you keep stocked with your favorite selection.
You're a well traveled man of many talents - culinary being one of them - one night you're broiling some french-paired lamb chops. Another you're grilling some snapper. Maybe pop open the Haier dual zone wine fridge and grab a decent selection you got a good price on for the half case.
Maybe you are divorced, kid comes over a 2-3 nights a week - you hang out and enjoy your father-son time, otherwise you live comfortably alone and you don't want a pain in the ass woman up your ass 24/7 always fucking whining like a needy selfish child, perpetually disappointed in some stupid shit despite the fact that she never wants for anything.
You eat healthy. You work out daily. You travel - with and without your son - you live life unencumbered by anyone else's expectations except yours and your child's and that's it.
You don't want to look over at some dipshit broad every night who's incapable of thinking about anything other than herself for more than 10 consecutive seconds and have to constantly game her ungrateful ass for anything more than starfish sex - even though you are the primary reason she lives the lifestyle she has.
You just don't want that fucking headache - you don't need that burden.
Maybe one night you feel like just getting some hot, easy stress free sex from some 22 year old hussie. Nowadays you can basically order that shit off the internet and you'll get it delivery service. You bang the chick out, give her her $200 and send her on her way. When she leaves, you turn on whatever game you had on - or Ancient Aliens or whatever the fuck you want and chillax. No stress or interruption in your life. Well worth the 2 bills IMO.
That's definitely not the primary method of getting ass, but to break up the slow periods in-between why the hell not?
To me that's the role of escorts.
Once you get a little older gents, this running game thing becomes cumulative. You get that lifetime of experience behind you and that becomes your abundance mentality.
Once you've done it all, there's little left to prove. You don't have to trick your head into believing you have options - BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE OPTIONS.
Let me tell you - a good looking man with money in the bank and his shit together will have options. You have what I described earlier and women will be crawling out of everywhere to try to suck your dick - that's guaranteed.
When I was young broke and hungry I was like the hunter. I had the hunter's determination and the hunter's passion and that shit turned women on. But part of that is coolness. You got to be cool man. Hunter that runs right into the meadow doesn't shoot the prey. Hunter knows how to hunt. Your confidence in yourself will give you abundance mentality.
I suppose there is something to be said for visualization - training the mind through repetitive disciplined thought. Ultimately, one foot needs to be put in front of the other in other to create inertia. There always must be a beginning.
However without determination, visualization is nothing. I would venture to guess that many of those that come to The Red Pill do so because they seek to manage some level of angst they are now experiencing. What a wonderful gift angst is! Your disappointments and frustrations should fuel you and empower you to overcome the timidness of "oneitis" and the scarcity mindset. This just doesn't apply to women and the romance game, it applies to every part of your life.
Once you figure that out, then you can take what you have learned here and apply it to the much much bigger games that exist out there. Red Pill and sexual strategy is important because this is basic shit every man should figure out as it tends to trickle into most aspects of a man's life, but its only the beginning.
Chasing women around when you are 18-21 years old is a decent little life primer. It's usually when you first discover the cruel fickle hearts of women - that they aren't quite all made of sugar, spice and everything nice. That's the age when most of them are at their worst (although these days many tend to get sicker well into their bar dancing 20s). It gives a man his first tests. At this point you either press the attack or withdraw. When you get a little practice you gain insights into human nature. You get a few successes under your belt, you gain a little knowledge, that scarcity mindset begins to erode away.
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Absolutely truer words have never been spoken. If I could guarantee my kids would be close enough post divorce to drop by then I'd join this guy in his paradise
JacksOnJaxOff 8y ago
This is the single greatest thing I've read so far on TRP. Thank you
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Its good to have goals. Remember though, without experiencing life in the moment you cannot gain the experience necessary to achieve wisdom.
Laying the foundations of success isn't always about material pursuits. Best of luck friend and thank you for the kind thought shared.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I'm not the wealthy man you described, but I have done it all, I have only one thing left to do and it's not even a big deal. Twins. Hot twins. After multiple three ways and group fucking, a twist on the theme is all you can do. I've done damn near everything you can imagine, from blowjobs to heavy intense BDSM. Large girls, to average, to I can't believe this chick is naked on my cock right now, and yes prostitutes. Having pulled so much ass, most of it with little effort (especially lately) there is no pressure. I know I can fuck this girl even if she is 25 years younger than me.
When I meet a girl now, they usually offer every hole. "Pick one." or "Your choice." and they are enthusiastic about it. Some have been miffed when I didn't fuck her ass hole.
You get to this point and things change. Not everyone my age can do this, most let themselves go, didn't build their lives, experienced a very limited part of the world, and they know they can't fuck the 19 year old strawberry blond at Lowes. I can, and did. She hit on me, got my number, and wanted to get fucked hard. Know you can, and you'll never be desperate.
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Excellent. Totally on point to what abundance means - but I've read your shit - I know you know what I'm talking about.
I will say this though. I didn't really think I was describing someone necessarily wealthy. I basically have all those things sans the Jacuzzi. I don't consider myself wealthy.
A salary of $150K could easily get a single man that kind of lifestyle on the Gulf Coast of Florida. Something like that is relatively achievable through a successful small business - or Master's Level STEM in an engineering field, CPA, attorney, etc...
Might even get you gulf access waterfront and decent back bay boat - like a 24' with a 200 HP Yamy.
Dude, the amount of pussy you can pull by having a boat in my area is flat out ludicrous. Its almost criminal. Chicks love being bikini wearing boat ornaments - they can't get enough. I don't even understand it.
I know this is crazy, but I love Florida. It was 80 degrees today. I wore shorts. I turned the pool solar heater on so I can swim this weekend. I'm going to grill some steaks & chill back. I'm living the life of Riley right now.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I was adding to your comment, not disagreeing.
We have a huge lake here, but the water is cold so boating means jackets even in summer. Boats still work, but it's slightly different. I'm not super wealthy, under 100k, but for around here I am doing quite well and can do almost anything I want. I hide that fact, make it seem like I'm only making it. Lots of gold diggers in economically disadvantaged areas like this. Fuck and forget at best. I'll be debt free again in four years or less.
barmaleo2 8y ago
One thing OP hasn't mentioned is that escorts are women too. It means that you can game and play them too. It also means that if they find you attractive and enjoy time with you they will give more and even more in the future. Yes, you're still gonna be paying but you will get much more that average Joe. Just don't fall in love with them))
Popeman79 8y ago
Actually right now one of my plates is a girl from a massage parlor whom I paid only once. Then she fell for me, started to send me hot pics, and now I get her services for free. Obviously I wrap it up.
RedSugarPill 8y ago
Reminds me of a story of a character, Sting. Almost 30 years ago he wrote "Roxanne". His latest works include "A Practical Arrangement". Great musician, with some disgusting bluepill music thrown in for good measure.
Orfeumiles 8y ago
I live in Pattaya Thailand.
Thailand is the sex-tourism capital of the world....Pattaya is the sex-tourism capital of Thailand.
One change I have noticed in my 5 year tenure here...is the HUGE increase of guys in their 20's and 30's. $25 can get you very-well laid here...and an increasing number of young men are taking full, guilt-free advantage of it.
One good thing about this is you get a much more realistic idea about the true value of pussy. It is impossible to put females on a pedestal after Pattaya.
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Can confirm. When I first visited Thailand many years ago, all the guys with hookers were fat and old. Now young guys are getting in on it. And why not.
Orfeumiles 8y ago
A lot of the old fat guys here in Pattaya have been divorce-raped.
A lot of the younger guys came to Thailand for the backpacking-adventure type holiday, checked out Pattaya, and after drowning in pussy for 2 weeks, simply refuse to invest another dollar/euro/pound in western fat entitled female snowflakes.
In both cases, whether one approves of their choices or not, one is forced to acknowledge that this is a rational option depending on your stage in life.
It is often said that TRP is a bitter pill to swallow. Places like Pattaya can be a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.
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Five_Decades 8y ago
If the woman is trying to shame him, that means he is doing something right.
The reason women shame men in these situations is because there is an actual, low intensity gender war. The sexual strategy of males and females are not 100% in coherence. What is good for men is not always good for women (one night stands), what is good for women is not always good for men (BB, emotional tampons, etc). In some ways, mating is a zero sum gain where one gender's win is another gender's loss.
If a woman tries to shame a man, that is because the man is acting in a way that weakens the woman's leverage in the mating game (by letting the woman know she is less valuable and more replaceable than she wants him to think she is). That is something to shoot for and look for.
ArkAngelEV 8y ago
pay for sex is a touchy subject. Here's my take:
Don't let the male hamster fool you into thinking you're paying her to leave and not for the actual act. Don't kid yourself: You're paying to be able to use her body, and if you're prepared to do that, own up to it.
Paying for sex is like potato chips or cookies. It's junk food. If you've been starving all your life and your first meal is junk food, you're going to be sorely disappointed. It might feel filling in the moment, but that's because you haven't had full course meals of meat and rice.
If you're a guy who regularly eats well and you see a dessert that you really want... indulge. A cheat day isn't going to set you back the way it would a beginner. You can afford to.
The danger for both is that junk food is addicting. And it becomes an easy way to get lazy and fat.
thats my two cents
DexterousRichard 8y ago
Too much of a good thing can be bad for anybody.
What's good about lots of pussy or prostitutes is that it blows up a blue pill mentality and makes you DGAF about women. That lets you escape from betadom.
The bad thing is that it can become a degenerate addiction or something like junk food. Your life is more than drugs or pussy or eating whatever you want. Men need to set themselves limits and goals and will not be happy without some achievement.
It is a tool, but use it wisely.
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StoicCrane 8y ago
This article is basically an unconventional way to develop abundance instead of homing on a select few women and getting oneittis. Everytime I think of running train on prostitutes STDs always come to mind. Nature's form of population control. When STD infravision becomes reality that enables a man to determine which chick is infected or not I'll run train. Until then there's little to gain.
If this method is your cup of tea great! If not put the time into raising SMV. My thoughts in a nutshell.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Depends on the situation of prostitution (regulation, medical checks, etc) in your country. For example, the British Association for Sexual Health and HIV argues that "there is strong evidence that most commercial sex is safer than non-commercial sex."
-Adam
RPmatrix 8y ago
so, you're still a virgin?
what's wrong with condoms?
StoicCrane 8y ago
Area I live in New York State has about 4/5 women infected statistically. Most are HB5 and under. Unwilling to gamble my health for tainted tail, but that's a fair point when it comes to women how to do their job, Both figuratively and literally. I'll give it some more thought. Any tips on which countries to go? The risk is pointless in the US legally when pussy is everywhere across the globe.
RPmatrix 8y ago
Infected with what? Most STD's don't last tool long, HSV, syphilis and HIV probably being the few that do.
Almost everyone has HSV anyway and condoms cover you for the rest.
huh? Just becoz 80% of women have had and STD doen't mean 80% DO have an STD!
You're paranoid bro!
what makes you think there's a 'country' which is different? what's the problem?
StoicCrane 8y ago
It's HIV. The region I live in is dirty AF. Syringes and hypodermic needles littered in the gutters. Mannish chicks like landwhales showing skin in the streets. Sucking dick in dark alleyways.
Being the city that rates 9th on the list for most murders per capita might be a bit paranoid. Prospects aren't too hot here though.
vzhu 8y ago
Mate, it's what you're willing to pay for. Most independent service providers have the incentive to practice safe sex. Here in Australia it's practically unheard of for any escort or parlor girl to not have condoms on hand.
You're far more likely to get something from a slurry down at the pub/club compared to cheapest call girl you can find.
StoicCrane 8y ago
Ha! That's precisely it! Cultural difference. I'm in New York. It's illegal in all states but one. However, a majority of those who are in the industry here are horridly unsightly. Not to mention dirty in the absence of standardized regulations.
Honestly giving this serious consideration. In the Netherlands it's open in abundance for all to see. Women are taxed, actively tested, and condoms are available in wide variety!
In Brazil, which is much closer, it's a covert national industry expected to boom with the upcoming Olympics. Wouldn't mind traveling to Rio for a week or two. Might have a little saving to do for a vacation.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3j294sqM8
You gotta clean the pipes!
Mgtowredpillonroids 8y ago
There are also some tracks out there for sexual self-hypnosis, such as this one https://youtu.be/Ib_dMXndfos (haven't tried it, so can't vouch for it, but I've tried others and they were great)
OPs and my personal approach may not apply to everyone and I feel little inclination to provide justification for my chosen path but I DO feel the need to give that kind of advice to people in similar situations because it massively improves your life for the better. A lot of guys I've met over the years struggle with their sex life, as we all know that is the problem of the bottom 80% - they may occasionally score, but generally it's not enough. But most of them are either too proud or too ashamed to use what is available to them. None of which is really productive or justifiable in the end, as all it does is needlessly torturing yourself over your natural desires (Confessions of a reformed incel gives you a good impression about the mindfuck you could encounter). For the ashamed crowd let me tell you this: I was like you. I thought using hookers was for creepy&desperate people. But the moment I found out that even married people/people in LTRs (and that this is not as uncommon as one may think) use the services of escorts, that kind of sentiment disappeared entirely. Ever since then it has only become a matter of financial expenditure, rather than shame.
DoesNotMatterAnymore 8y ago
Not to mention, you can even be a High SMV guy, and still visit hookers. Butbutbut... WITHHIGHSMVYOUCANFUCKWHOEVERYOUWANT... says the TRP. The thing is, a side chick can ruin your carrier, your LTR, your marriage, your life, if she gets pissed at you, because you are ignoring her. "If i can't have him, no one else will!"
The reason why a lot of people using prostitutes - who could get pussy easily anyway - because you can stay anonymous, she is not gonna bother you after you are done with her. Most importantly they know how to fuck. You set the day and time, she sets the price, then you are in-out.
toneroma 8y ago
When I lived in a country where it was legal to pay $50 for a half-hour blowjob, I appreciated the option.
Unfortunately, I now live in Oregon, and the risk far outweighs the benefits.
infoMuse 8y ago
That's one strategy, but ideally you get good at getting plates. Fake it til you make it, then no looking back.
prostaddict 8y ago
Honestly - I wouldn't recommend prostitutes for those who just swallowed the red pill. If you're lazy, out of shape, have a poor personality, and are boring - congrats, for $200-300 you can fuck an HB9 with no effort on your own. Maybe if you want to get rid of your virginity, but for those really struggling in the market due to low SMV - soliciting escorts can be a nail in the coffin
rporion 8y ago
Why not tell her that?
If she has nothing to offer but a wet, warm hole, a prostitute is most likely not only cheaper, a lot do have to offer at least a bit more than that.
OneRedYear 8y ago
Overt communication about prostitutes? No. That's not going to work out well.
rporion 8y ago
There might be cultural differences, but it never backfired on me.