Was reading the comment section of "You Are a Dick Salesman; Pussy is for Closers," an extremely practical a relevant article about closing the deal and why you need to and was surprised to see so many empty platitudes of "I am the prize." More of less saying they think they are too good to go through the ringer and make the sale.
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I am the prize mentality is bullshit and mental masturbation
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"I am the prize" comes from guys who sit on this forum all day and are never really in the field. You go out and say "I am the prize," okay and then what. You are the prize. What does that do for you? Absolutely fucking nothing except make you feel better for your sorry self. I strongly suggest anyone with this mindset to watch RSD Tyler's most recent videos dealing with "Product Quality" vs "Product Marketing."
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You can have the most amazing product in the world but if you aren't out there selling it then how the fuck do expect anyone to buy it. "I am the prize" is the equivalent to "Build it and they will come," in business. No they fucking wont. Build it, market it well, put it in front of the proper sellers, and then make the sale. You could be a metaphorical Lamborghini but if the Ford Focus is out there everyday, putting in the work, trying to make the sale, then 9/10 he's out fucking the Lamborghini's women while the Lambo sits at home and lavishes himself about how he is "the prize."
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This does not mean that you don't become a quality product!!!
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Continue to lift, build your business, make money, go to school, have values, take care of your family etc.
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You do all these things for YOURSELF not for women. You become the prize for yourself.
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As far as women go, you could be a complete degenerate and still fuck HB9 and HB10. In fact I would argue most higher status women are or have at some point. This does not mean become a degenerate but know while you're sitting at home saying "I am the prize" that these are the men out in the field fucking your women while you waste time on empty platitudes.
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So in conclusion stop wasting your time on empty mental masturbation and platitudes, get in the field and make the fucking sale. It's put in the work and they will come to you, not build it and they will come because I promise you they wont.
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Edit for clarity: I am not saying don't be the prize but I'm advocating against blind faith in that fact. To quote Mark Manson:
"Values require more than a simple choice to believe them. You don’t just wake up one day and decide, “I’m a happy successful person!” and become it. Values must be cultivated, consciously tried and tested and steeled by experience. Values are worthless if they don’t contain some sort of real-world manifestation, some tangible benefit in the form of positive experience."
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Don't just "believe" you are the pize, prove and cultivate the fact that you are the prize.
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BluBlac59 5y ago
Imo the, I am the Prize, thinking man is a man that has invested in himself and knows his value in the world, Where lesser men think that women are the prize to be won over and worshipped. The women that think they are the prize simply for being a woman are the worst. Its about confidence and ability and if you want a LTR getting the best one that you can, not settling. Letting her know that you know your value, you did it before her and without her. And you're not being afraid being alone or moving on.
aidscancerebola 5y ago
another toilet paper entry
Scandinavianredpill 5y ago
I am the prize, I dont need to sell shit. I just need to be there. Sorry that you feel you have to actively oversell yourself. Being yourself should sell the package, if it's not I suggest being a better self in every sense of the word.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
It's awesome how you just decide to assume, and tell everyone how they're choosing to follow a principle.
You sounds like a resentful, bitter little bitch. Very prize material, there.
shady_nasty_mf 5y ago
"I am the prize" mentality is absolutely necessary. However, as men, we all have the burden of performance. We've still got to go out and hunt, approach, and win. Being "the prize" doesn't remove the burden of performance.
The_Frag_Man 5y ago
Perhaps "be the prize" is a better way of wording it.
RandomlyChosenTitle 5y ago
Given that Ford advertises incessantly while Lamborghini doesn't bother, you just undercut your own argument. Lambo doesn't need to peddle bullshit in order to be in demand because they have a quality product and social proof.
Ford knows that they'll never be appealing to Lambo's customer base (9s and 10s), so they play a numbers game chasing 5s and 6s. The Ford markets itself as dependable, economical, family oriented (i.e. beta traits) while Lambo is exciting and adventurous. No one dreams about getting a Ford Focus, they settle once they realize that the car they really want in unattainable. But sometimes, those Focus drivers are able to rent a Lambo for the weekend and get to at least temporarily live out their dreams.
WaltzRoommate 5y ago
"I am the prize" normally means that you should see yourself as bringing something to the table and conduct yourself in a dignified way, rather than making the sorts of concessions you'd make if you thought you were the reacher in the relationship. It's a point of view to make decisions from that centers around you being the more valuable entity in the relationship.
In my opinion, this is largely good and largely accurate. The most scarce commodity in the dating world is a quality man, not a vagina. Due to women being the reproductive bottleneck, they're inherently more valuable than the randomly selected man's sperm, but that's not saying much. It's much cheaper and easier for society to make a woman than a high value male and so a high value male should be approaching the dating scene as if he's the scarce and valuable commodity that the other should be reaching for and coveting.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
A point for this man, /u/CrazyHorseInvincible, /u/TheRedPike, /u/EpicLevelCheater
TheRedPike 5y ago
Done
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Auvergnat 5y ago
Good to see the top comment is setting the record straight.
It’s annoying to see posts popping up here and there arguing against some super basic TRP theory, born from years of cumulated field experience and discussions on the manosphere, just because some newbie with probably no actual game experience thinks his idea sounds good on paper by drawing a comparison with cars.
Once again: Game is NOT just the packaging or the advertisement of a valuable product. Humans are social animals. Women look for the men at the top socially. Acting like you’re the prize to be won is not advertising your value. It IS (part of) your value. You must learn Game. And as part of it you must adopt that ZFG aloof attitude that communicates that you’re the shit, whether or not you actually are.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This. "I am the prize" means make yourself good enough to be the prize and then act like it. Just look at how women behave around top x% guys. Recently talked to a girl and her new boyfriend at a party - tall good looking ex pro athlete.
"How did you guys meet?" I asked
She blushes and he tells the story...
"Well, I was standing in the bar and we made eye contact, and she just sort of beckoned my over with her finger."
dronestar 5y ago
This. Well put.
InvictusDO 5y ago
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BitterEntrep 5y ago
This is actually a polar opposite of what the truth is. If anything with women it's the fact that appearances of things being a certain way are more important than the substance of them. That is why women are so deadset on changing their hair color, their nails, their fucking faces with injections and just about everything else to make themselves feel better. The primary difference between how a masculine type personality is expressed and a feminine type personality is expressed is that masculine is powerful from within, and feminine gets the power from external validation.
Women know that deep down inside they are not much but a series of fuckholes and they desperately try to hide that fact with a massive ego wall of acting like they're the shit. The man who beats them at their game is the guy who understands this dynamic.
Having a massive ego because you just scored a touchdown for your football team and scored a multi-million dollar contract has absolutely no difference from a guy who believes in his own bullshit simply because he is a delusional narcissist.
Women love men who are apologetically selfish, because women required validation to act "outside of boundaries" and they can't help but admire men who act outside of social boundaries without needing that said validation. Hence their obsession with bad boys. They just know how to push those buttons.
If you could adopt nothing from the TRP toolbox, I can guarantee you, that if you took the drug of "absolute confidence" that is based on just blindly believing that you are the "prize", you will still get tail by the fucking thousands.
Mindset is all - https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/state-of-mind/
raiko92 5y ago
Great post man
+1 validation
MrTrizzles 5y ago
Indeed. Trump didn’t win the presidency because of his intelligence, or any other discernible functionality. Sheer irrational self-confidence embodied. Psych issues irrelevant in this context.
PoppinChlorine 5y ago
This post and the “dick salesman” post illustrate well something I’ve had in the back of my head for a while:
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TRP content can be kind of wishy-washy (not necessarily "flimsy"- keep reading) in that there are contradictory approaches that both seem to fit overarching trp dogma. In this case, both “dick salesman”/this post and “I am the prize theory” (we’ll call it a theory for simplicity) make cases that appear to fit with a trp mentality or strategy despite being directly contradictory, and the disagreement in the comments of both this post and “dick salesman” further display the fact that members of this community can have diametrically opposed views on one topic or another and can still claim to “be red-pilled”, or share a trp-based strategy.
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This may seem like a strength- constructive disagreement and flexibility are both often signs of a healthy community, intellectual or otherwise- but i think that this particular example shows how confusing these controversies may be, especially when we get posts that spout off on stuff or in ways clearly not representative of a trp mindset or strategy, which i think is indicative of a problem we have in this community: those learning trp for the first time get some basic tenets down well, a testament to the richness of the sidebar material on this forum and on other sites, but often those building blocks can seem to suggest multiple different approaches, nuances, or strategies in the real world. This case is a good example- "I am the prize" and "dick salesman" both build off of basic trp theories, but take them in seriously different directions, or "branches", if you will. We as a community need to decide whether this kind of "branching" is acceptable and a valuable part of TRP or is merely confusing, causes misrepresentation of trp theory, and leads to flat-out inaccuracy in trp theory or its application.
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This is absolutely not to say that there is no room for disagreement or constructive debate. However, larger scale controversies like this one hinder learning members' ability to learn what trp is and what it is not. I do not want to sound like a pessimistic doomsayer, but fatal divides in communities begin as tiny cracks, like this one, which grow larger and develop into fissures and eventually become too big for the community to withstand. Again, we're nowhere near this point, but this is something I can see becoming an issue years down the road, and is a good thing to keep in mind.
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Older, more experienced members, likely content creators or simply the most experienced/well-read, likely have their own individual idea of trp that is consistent with the majority of trp scholarship (I'm using this word loosely) but is nonetheless their own, and they are secure in their conception of trp theory and with their own mindset/strategy. Disagreements like this one are irrelevant for these individuals, because their trp mindset is already fully formed and may be able to handle minor dissonances without harming the foundation of their trp conception. Thus, I'll probably get some pushback from these members, simply because in their minds these disagreements are not harmful. Yet to newer members who are still learning, these contradictions are only harmful to their attempts to construct their own trp mindset/strategy. Just because you yourself may be able to see through the metaphoric fog, the less experienced do not have the same ability.
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I'd like to see a discussion of the implications of these "branches" of application and a serious appreciation for the consequences of controversies like that over the "dick salesman" proposal and the "i am the prize" mentality. If you've read this far, leave a comment or shoot a pm with your take- I'm thinking about making this it's own post depending on feedback.
jon_murdoch 5y ago
Both are correct, in a way. It is all about the calibration. You need to act with "dick salesman" mentality some moments and "I'm the prize" mentality on others. Some people, even experienced people, will aknowledge only one of those because they probably do enough of the other naturally, subconsciously, to make it work. You need to be a salesman when opening, but behave like the prize right before it. You need to be a salesman if she tries to walk away too soon or if the first convo doesnt work out, but when she is into you you're back to being a prize. You need to be a salesman to get in her pants the first one or two times, and go back to being a prize for the next hundred lays with the chick. MAKE HER RIDE THE ROLLERCOASTER. MAKE HER CONFUSED AND EMOTIONAL. And more importantly, do it all naturally and relaxed, like second nature. It is hard: practice a lot
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nebder 5y ago
This is not a controversy. OP is simply incorrect.
We as a community don’t need to decide anything. We as a community share what has worked for us. Men swapping notes & connecting dots.
You as a consumer of TRP have to put the tools presented to you to the test. You can pick and choose the ones that suit you. You get a bit of guidance and direction, then you go try the tools in the real world and decide. As you gain experience you’ll understand the nuances. As you gain experience you will learn that two conflicting ideas can actually both be correct. Life is not a binary black/white situation.
I am the prize & dick salesman are not at all at odds with each other. I am the prize is a way to reestablish yourself as your mental point of origin. It accomplishes the right me first cocky attitude while simultaneously depedastalizing the gals. Dick salesman means you gotta have the right pitch for the right market to seal the deal. Sales is a numbers game like batting averages, you’re gonna fail a lot in between the closes.
It’s always the man’s role to initiate. We are the predator. They are the willing prey. It’s just the game man.
TRP is just the tutorial level to life. That’s why there’s no end game, no next steps, no nothing. That’s for you to figure out. It’s your life. Simply be grateful that enough men got fed up & frustrated to combine all this knowledge together in one place to give you a head start. Show your appreciation by applying their collective wisdom into your life.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
"Dick Salesman" author here. Many rebuttals to that post blatantly mischaracterize what I feel is a plain argument. Perhaps the fault lies with me for not being more clear.
In any event, I intend to continue provoking debate. The community can decide for itself if ideas are valid or not. The insinuation that content should be policed for conformity is the complete antithesis of everything TRP stands for.
Furthermore, after close to a year of actively answering questions in askTRP, it has become clear to me that there are major inadequacies in the core materials. The sidebar doesn't focus enough on certain key concepts, which is why newbies read it and still feel lost and confused.
nebder 5y ago
I view it as survival of the fittest and/or the motivated rise to the top.
TRP is a drive to action. Lift, game, win (eventually)
KronkIsLove 5y ago
Why does anyone in this thread seem to be so angry and frustrated?
"the fucking prize" and so on... The last sentence of your post is totally sufficient as the start of the post and you can explain everything cool and chill after that. It just seems like the actual redpill is that you are angry about yourself and invert and project the anger onto other people who you determine to be weaker than you so that you feel better about yourself.
Andgelyo 5y ago
This post is bullshit and you should never spread this shit again.
“I am the prize” = I am a high value male.
Your mentality shifts from scarcity and beta to a abundance and alpha.
I could rip this post to shreds, but other members have already done so.
MCFiletMignon 5y ago
At least we can agree it beats the "I'm worthless" strategy.
RedTenet 5y ago
No.
"I am the prize" mentality works. It has worked and will continue to. Go out into the field and set the frame to you being the prize: if she follows, her panties will be flying off in no-time.
All this post is is a call to get off your arse and game women: "I am the prize" mentality isn't a problem.
yomo86 5y ago
Yup. While I get OPs drift. I am the prize refers to a mindset after you already approached a proper buyer and have good product.
When it is a dark world, surely you have to market your lightbulbs but doing much more than demonstrating is seldomly required.
Being the prize mentality is the internal opposite of the external lift, read, work, approach. It is the mental yang to your ying. When you objectivly hit the upper 20% ie the royality of the male population act like it. Nothing is more embarassing than seeing a prima facia Chad getting pussy whipped. And one uninterested consumer will not render Microsofts market power mute and surely they won't act upon it.
PresentableSonInLaw 5y ago
Yes! It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
brotein_synthesis 5y ago
Hurdurr, just play fortnite and watch pr0n untill them bitches are at your feet.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
This is correct.
Mods, /u/CrazyHorseInvincible, /u/Halitenina, /u/EpicLevelCheater, /u/TheRedPike, give a point to /u/RedTenet here.
redpillcad 5y ago
Couldn't agree more
You are the prize. What does that do for you?
By itself it does nothing. In combination with TRP tactics it flips the script from chaser to chasee
Self-honest 5y ago
In addition, why would you waste your time with any girl who's panties aren't flying off at the chance to be with you?
If the well dries up for any reason, at any time, move the fuck on. The hunt for flying panties should be a never-ending quest.
The flying panty zone is where you want to live.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Actually being the prize works.
RedTenet 5y ago
I never said don't be the prize: keep working on yourself. That said, being the prize and acting like it is 100* better than being the prize and not framing it like such.
boredathome19 5y ago
"If she follows" is the important part. Of course you're easily going to fuck a girl that's into you. But how to game women that are not head over heels into you in an instant?
deeselecter 5y ago
Like tomassi said attraction is not negotiable if u have to game that bad u get transaction sex
Kpwn88 5y ago
By continuing to work on yourself until they are.
dank4tao 5y ago
To add to this:
Keep meeting new people while you are working on yourself. Don't gab about yourself, instead ask them about their lives. The key is to be interested, not interesting. This will inevitably create an allure of mystery about you in a good way--a lot of people will feel like you know them, but few will feel like they know you. As you continue you to work on yourself, girls (and good people) will fall out of the wood work to try to get to know you better. This is the best time to practice your game--when people and women are already interested.
Every time I try to "make" someone interested, or "chase" a girl the effort is more often than not a wash. I could have doubled my effort at the gym, a hobby, or my career. This is especially true for plates that have lost interest; and/or "broken," it's simply not worth the effort to change the opinion they've already formed. Instead, show them you don't care about their opinion by focusing on yourself. Change the frame, by only accepting yours.
My "prize" is my time, it is invaluable. Never provide it to someone whose not already invested/interested in who you are, for free or cheap. **
** Unless you're out-chasing thots, and that's your hobby. By all means bark up that tree, if it makes you feel like the top dog.
Althoughw 5y ago
That last sentence is awesome xD Great post
saveTheFirstWorld 5y ago
Ding ding ding we have a winner
RedPlanetMan 5y ago
As the saying goes, chicken dinner.
nebder 5y ago
It’s faster and far more productive to find a woman who is into you vs the effort it takes to get a fencesitter on your side. That’s why you polarize quickly to determine where the interaction stands. It’s a two way street: I’m testing her, she’s testing me. Now both of us would prefer that the other passes, we hit it off & have a great time. The reality is that doesn’t always happen and definitely wont happen 100% of the time.
So if there’s clear disinterest you’re just not her cup of tea for god knows what reason. That’s fine, I have preferences for my women. There have been plenty of objectively attractive women that I’m just not that into. I can like them as people, I can enjoy their personality, I can objectively appreciate their attractiveness without going all daaamn I got be balls deep in that.
Feelinggood702 5y ago
I think you’re looking at this too much on the surface. If you want to catch the most beautiful fish, you must be good at fishing in general. You don’t read guides on fishing that only teaches you how to catch a specific fish and that fish only. It encompasses many.
nebder 5y ago
My man that is a shit metaphor.
You don’t just throw a random bait in the middle of the lake and hope any old fish will come by. You hunt the type of fish you want to catch. You find predator fish like bass in the weeds and lilies and use lures or baits that mimic their prey. You hunt for scavenger type fish with bottom set baits and what they prefer to eat. So yes you do specialize your strategy to the type of fish you want to catch. Fishing is a meta skill that encompasses many unique specializations. Much like game/pickup/social skills.
Subconscious Attraction is not a choice. It’s either there (with differing levels of intensity based on the situation and/or people involved) or its not. If given the choice between working a gal with middling to low attraction to me vs a gal with high attraction to me, it’s most effective to work on the higher levels gal. It’s also more effective and productive to find a different gal with higher levels of attraction than to try and build conscious attraction with a woman who has lower levels of subconscious attraction. There’s always another woman: they’re effectively an unlimited resource.
I choose to apply my efforts where I get the best yields.
RivenHalf 5y ago
Values must be cultivated. Simply repeating them in your head isn't enough. To steal a quote from Mark Manson:
If you're really in the field day in and day out, you're going to get your ass kicked constantly. Hard. Good because you are supposed to, that is where the growth comes from. After some of these ass kickings, there will be times where you wont keep this frame of "I am the prize" but where the growth will come from is by keeping going despite of this.
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This is the equilvalent of guys who dont game when they're "out of state." Just another excuse.
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good_guy_submitter 5y ago
"Imma get ripped without hitting the gym!"
-most men today
It never happens for them
Aestheticcunt1996 5y ago
Yeah, instead they buy a vibrating belt from some fucking teleshopping channel while hoping that it will make them ripped by laying on the couch with potato chips.
dronestar 5y ago
I don’t disagree with most of your post, but I think you misunderstand the concept. It’s just a frame reminder. If your game is strong (and I don’t mean PUA techniques) then you literally are the prize to women. It keeps you from over investing and betaizing yourself. Remember it, use it, live it and it works. I’ve also found it to be a good filter that leads to picking ‘higher quality’ women for me - meaning, the kind of women that understand and live by the traditional value of the woman respecting and doting on the man. It keeps me from wasting time on a potential plate that’s gone too far down the modern day feminist/egalitarian bullshit rabbit hole and thinks she is in charge (some just really don’t get it or act right even if they respect you as Alpha, they’re too far gone). Saves me time and energy in that respect.
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Kpwn88 5y ago
If you are high value enough, you can turn a liberal, feminist, dreadlocked hippie chick into a cooking, cleaning, homeschooling, makeup & lingerie wearing housewife. It's called deep conversion.
Ask me how I know.
JonathanMekerset 5y ago
You’re the prize because you don’t give a fuck. You create intrinsic value.
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BurnoutRS 5y ago
There is a time and place for everything
omega_dawg93 5y ago
OP. WTF are you talking about with "selling & marketing" yourself. fuck that.
"I am the prize" is old pimp speak. the PC version of that is stated by rollo as, "make yourself your mental point of origin." you do work on you, for you... she is a complement-not a burden.
iow, you don't tap dance to impress her... you convey to her that she needs to qualify to you to get your valuable time. you don't say it... you show her thru your actions. if she's not being a feminine companion and a sexual companion, you leave her. the end.
men today don't have to "peacock" to impress women... women are giving away pussy like never before in history.
women need to be selling & marketing themselves to you... bc YOU have options. and never forget their values to you are FEMINITY and fertility; your value to them is in TAR (time, attention, resources).
if she wants your TAR, she's got two options to pay you for it: cash $, or pussy. tell her to make a choice btw those two and to be consistent bc you don't give your TAR away.
sounds harsh? probably. does it work? yep.
lbrownlbandit 5y ago
This is hundred percent true all the I am the prize mentality did for me is make me an entitled douche. Sure I was getting girls but the better ones, the ones I wanted slipped away. Same with business more i went in with this mentality to work and to interviews i noticed a distaste in people's mind about me. I could feel it. This resulted in me being on the ball all the time and the stress got to me. I was stuck in a position of I have to be right or I lose frame and smv mindset sacraficing social relations, promotions and most importantly women.
Good employers, parents and women all have something to offer you as a person. They will help you grow if you show them the real side of you with a few of your flaws. Makes them feel great about themselves and it signals to them that they need to help you fix this problem that you have. If they help, they will continue to do so in the future. Keep them around. If they don't, leave at the first opportunity.
MakaThaDon 5y ago
I am the prize+Approach= What you just said lmao.
Self-honest 5y ago
You play to win the game. Never up, never in.
However a mentality is different from an action. You better be the god damn prize or you're going to trip yourself up and lose the game.
RPSilverfox 5y ago
I’ll agree that saying “I am the prize” is meaningless if you haven’t brought value to your life in any way shape or form. But for men who have worked hard to build a good career, have interesting hobbies and have built up their body in the gym, these guys can say it and believe it. It’s not bullshit for everyone, and since no one would ever say this out loud it becomes a mindset that can help men attract the highest quality women. Would you sell your slightly used iPhone X for $50? Of course not because it’s worth a lot more than that. On the flip side you can’t take an iPhone 4 and ask $500 for it. Knowing your value will determine if you can really call yourself the prize or if you still have a long way to go.
wanker7171 5y ago
The prize mentality =/= mentally repeating “I’m the boss I’m the boss I’m the boss”
It’s usually used for two reasons
First is a sort of character you play but you don’t want it to become your shtick because it’ll become predictable. An example is by misinterpreting actions and words to say someone is hitting on you, trying to get on your good side, etc.
Secondly being the prize is also used to describe having a high status mindset. For instance, once I was talking to this really cute girl when suddenly I was fairly sure she was ghosting me. I stopped thinking that way immediately and asked what would a high status guy think in this situation. After having that thought it was easier to realize that I did everything right and she’s probably just shy. I stuck to that frame the next time we talked and I got her to come to my place that night.
Thizzlebot 5y ago
Great post. I hate the people here circle jerk shit without doing shit and still congrat themselves on nothing. I respect results.
centaursg 5y ago
OP you are missing the context. The mentality of "I`m the prize" is bullshit only when you take it out of context. Its only bullshit when you ignore self improvement and you sit at home and feel entitled.
RP principles tells us to have this mentality while working to improve yourself.
nzjbruh 5y ago
I'm with OP on this one. This is a limiting mentality in the sense that you're expecting people to earn you. Nobody owes you anything. Look for what you want, it won't find you.
2comment 5y ago
It's both. You need to believe in the product and sell it.
Selling it without believing in it makes most men appear desperate. Believing in it without selling it leads to the situation you described.
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vfb14 5y ago
"I'm the prize" mentality works when you have some success to back it up, if it is based solely on your imagination it is considered delusional grandiosity. Go out and experience things. No matter how much theory you read, it needs to be balanced with experience. Humans are meant to function by procedural knowledge first, and then define the laws that govern action by declarative knowledge.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
Sounds like the only one blindly repeating "I am the prize" and not going outside is you.
Men, who work on themselves and climb the ladder, are the prize. Period.
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maxrp 5y ago
Your mistake is thinking people who believe they are the prize are somehow not doing anything. You're wrongly diagnosing, therefore your article is just mental masturbation.
RivenHalf 5y ago
I'm operating under the knowledge and my experience of the kind of man who is usually quick to shout out these kinds of platitudes in the face of someone offering real wolrd and practical advice. Call it what you will.
maxrp 5y ago
Theres always going to be people who talk utter nonsense from their inexperience and repeating the latest guru or concepts. Hence the backlash against PUA, far too many aspey types spouting "be the prize", but never 'got it'.
Some are impossible to convince otherwise. I dont see a need for an article on this. Maybe let them keep failing and don't pay any attention?
mori_forthestreamer 5y ago
Finding a problem where there isn't one.
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boy_named_su 5y ago
You are the prize, and you also need to market yourself. Why is that so hard to understand?
Steve Jobs knew that iPhone was an excellent thing ("the prize"), more important than any given customer. But he also knew he had to sell it
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Feelinggood702 5y ago
“Until you give up on the product yourself.” I hope you mean until you actually die. I don’t know how you could choose to just give up on something you’ve put your whole self into.
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SteveStJohn 5y ago
His most recent video, Dec 28, is How To Pick Up Girls SO EASY - STOP Creating A "Difficult" Prison In Your Own Mind (ESCAPE!!). Is that it?
AnakinRebornRage 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnRhJaFSFg
This one here. He discusses making a funnel - Lead Generation - Lead Conversion - Lead Retention
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He makes comparisons to game and business which resonate highly with me. Such as is a girl more likely to choose McDonald's or a healthy snack. Not even just girls but most people in general. McDonald's isn't popular because it's food is great because obviously it isn't but they have superior convenience and marketing. The same could be said of game. You take two identical guys but the guy putting himself out there and who knows how to market himself is going to do way better. Despite any difference in the "product quality."
A lot of his longer videos aren't worth the full watch but this one is highly worth the 2 hours. It gives a great framework of game in a pretty red pill view as well.
Seoul_Brother 5y ago
Once wrote a piece on here that emphasized “I am the prize.” Maybe two years ago? Has since been deleted but the main point is this: you can have that mentality but just how big of a prize you are depends on the work and dedication you put into yourself.
There are tons of guys out there saying they are the prize just like their self aggrandizing female counterparts call themselves “Queen” while putting in no effort.
TRP is good to come back to once in a while and the quarantine has been a boon since I think the true goal is to be independent of this sub once you read and practice the sidebar. Everyone’s gotta be one their own man and this is just a guidebook.
handfulofnuts 5y ago
I said “I am the prize” in the other thread because I’m the shit. Not because I’m holed up in my apartment refusing to go out and get women. I fuck more times in a week than there are days, pretty much every week. I’ve got at least three girls I could call right now and I’d be balls deep in one of them by tonight.
Girls want my dick. I don’t have to sell it to them. They get to stick around if they fuck well enough and stay sweet. I am the prize.
MoodyBrizo 5y ago
It starts with believing you're a prize though. Even if you're a loser if you believe and act like you're a loser you will never get women. If you're a loser and you act like your hot shit you will get some women that fall for such things. Obviously the goal is to become someone of value, but for a lot of losers simply believing you have value even when you don't is a good first step. It's a perspective shift and that can do a lot of good. Fake it 'til you make it.
IceColdHell 5y ago
A Gold Medal is a prize, but so is the silver and bronze medal. Yet, everyone chases the gold medal. You are the prize, sure, but what type of prize are you, an olympic gold medal, or a participation trophy?
cantFindValidNam 5y ago
"I am the prize" is not a strategy or something you force yourself into believing. It's simply a byproduct of being a high quality man. It naturally becomes the default frame. See Dan Bilzerian.
throwawaybpdnpd 5y ago
So not true, it does work; what a bad title.
markinsinz7 5y ago
How do these losers and 'degenerates' end up fuckin hot women. Like I don't think they go out cold approaching tons of girls so how exactly they doing it. I do know they have alpha personalities for sure else they wouldn't be able to fuck hot women
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crushplanets 5y ago
Your cards ain't worth a dime if you don't lay them down.
Spibas 5y ago
OP is a faggot.
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