As I have more and more success with TRP sexual strategy it's becoming increasingly clear to me that the manosphere should experiment with making overt polygamy a real thing in the West.
There are a few long term endgames in TRP land, and they're all either shitty or unattainable:
- Standard TRP Endgame. Cycle through LTRs. When you're single you casually fuck around until you find a "good one." You LTR the "good one" and then wait for the LTR to explode one way or another. Rinse and repeat. This gets boring and tedious after a while.
- Red Pill Marriage Endgame. Cycle through LTRs until you find a real hottie among hotties, and put on a ring on it. She's a perfect 10, she works out consistently, she cooks, she'll take care of the kids, she has a high IQ, and she fucks you enthusiastically multiple times daily. You go full patriarch on her and she's addicted to you. Maybe she has some mild tendency toward eating-disordered habits and diet fads. Maybe she goes on about essential oils or Eastern spirituality form time to time. Whatever, she's a woman. This is the best it's going to get, literally. She'll still be fuckable at 42, and you'll be close to your death bed by then anyway, so great. Maybe you'll cheat a few times every decade just to maintain some minimal game and sanity.
- Apex Alpha Endgame. Casually fuck around forever, never LTR. This is hard for most men, even in TRP land. Very few men can get sex daily outside of an LTR, and daily sex is nice. When I say daily, I mean daily. There do exist Apex Alphas who have the same amount of attention on tinder as a smoking hot perfect 10 instagram chick. They're tall, they're millionaires, they're 220lb of pure muscle, and their game is perfect. They'll hit the apps/bars hard and fuck a new girl every night for 10 nights in a row. Their partner count by age 65 will be some multiple of 100, or maybe some small multiple of 1000, and they'll still be going at it. Most men will never see this sort of success with women. If you're starting from BP nothingness then endgames #1 or #2 are more realistic.
These three endgames can't possibly be the whole picture. Polygamy has to be in there somewhere, as some sacred yet-to-be-discovered Red Pill truth.
In BP land you derive great satisfaction from your relationship. You feel needy and incomplete without it. Your pedestalized woman completes you. Yet, at the same time your testosterone is telling you that this is not the way life should be. You have a vague sense that you're relationship and lifestyle are actually fucked to hell. The idea of cheating feels erotic, exhilarating, and freeing. You feel guilt about this because your desire to cheat threatens to tear apart the life and illusions that you've built up around your pedestalized angle, your oneitis, your one and only.
In RP land you don't derive any transcendental satisfaction from your relationships. You're her rock, her patriarch, and her perfect mix of Alpha seed and beta need. You're saving her from hitting the Wall without having found that elusive Alpha who will spray a baby inside her but then also LTR her up afterward. She derives her transcendental satisfaction from you, and not the other way around. You're the higher value partner, so the relationship is a huge gift you're giving her. If you spend significant time with another woman on the side you don't feel bad about it. Having two patriarchal Red Pill LTRs at once feels more like finding two stray puppies out in the cold and rescuing both of them because you have enough food and space.
When discussing polygamy people are likely to shout "Well if the guy gets the fuck around indiscriminatingly, then shouldn't the girl get to also!?"
This is misguided.
Men and women can both harbor the sex fantasy of having their partner let them fuck around indiscriminatingly, but it's subtly different for each gender. Men will always want to fuck around indiscriminatingly to spread their seed. It costs them nothing. But for women it's different. A woman only wants to fuck around indiscriminatingly so she can get pregnant with a higher value man and then have her cuck husband provide for her long-term security.
The real female fantasy is getting pregnant with a top tier Alpha guy and then having him stick around to provide iron clad resources, security, and child rearing. Women want this Alpha-plus-security fantasy as consistently as men want access to unlimited sex. The unlimited sex fantasy for women is very circumstantial, fleeting, and dependent on her life phase. But the Alpha-plus-security fantasy, that's forever.
If she can get Alpha-plus-security by being wife #4, then she'll go for it. It's exactly the same effect as when she swallows after a blow job with her Alpha lover, but won't even give her beta hubby a blow job in the first place. Her disgust or arousal at a sex act is completely dependent on the man and the context.
Likewise, her level of disgust or arousal at the thought of her man fucking other women is completely dependent on the man and the context. If you're higher SMV and you're playing dread game, then it's hot for her because it confirms your Alpha status. If you're lower SMV and you're cheating, then she'll leave you because you're violating her beta bux expectations, which is an existential threat for her.
It feels like polygamy shouldn't be hard to pull off if you're dating multiple woman who are slightly below your SMV. I can't speak from experience, but I imagine it would be very satisfying to do the full patriarch thing with multiple women in the house at once. I wonder why it's not more discussed in the manosphere, and not done more often in practice.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Top post of the week. Not sure why it's only 65%. Proves democracy sucks.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Ok, let's be real. Nature's end game is children. All biology serves that. So no one, man or woman can fuck around at the rate we do today, all thanks to pregnancy eliminating technology.
In Islamic societies, polygamy is a thing, and it was probably a good idea because back in the day most able bodied men just fought.
".... In RP land you don't derive any transcendental satisfaction from your relationships ...."
"... In BP land you derive great satisfaction from your relationship ..."
What the hell is this?
Transcendental satisfaction? Cough cough.... - please.
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Quaternionz 5y ago
“Funnily enough, the more powerful a man gets, the more attractive he gets.”
The phrase “funnily enough” is just flowery, cliche, crap verbiage that doesn’t need to be there. The sentence would be more clear and crisp without it.
Should we continue critiquing each others’ posts on minute insignificant details, in ways that detract from the main post? You next asshole. I could do this all day.
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RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
Am I the only one who can't have daily sex any more? I'm in my early 30s now. Cumming multiple times a day doesn't really work any more. I want sex maybe 4 times a week. How old are you if you're still having sex every day? I also don't have the time or energy to spin plates any more, so I'm essentially a serial monogamist. I know sex drive is a lot higher with multiple women.
themaindish444 5y ago
You need cultural underpinnings to make real polygamy work--it needs to be part of the moral/religious fabric of the society. Societies that have monogamy as a norm tend to be more stable and cooperative (understandably), so that picked up steam, since you needed to defend your society from other violent groups who'd come enslave you and take your women, etc and set up polygamy for themselves and their culture. so to really make that an acceptable norm you pretty much need some kind of conquered underclass or you need to found a cult with more women than men and weird religious rules (e.g., early Mormons). Cultures that persist for a long time (e.g. Judaism) frequently have strict rules about monogamy since it strengthens in group bonds and makes the in group more resilient against outside threats.
So, the red pill response here may be that it could easier to stick with the plates.
metallicdrama 5y ago
Redpill common sense: don't get married
OP: marry multiple women, what could go wrong
This only works with savages like Muslims or cults like Mormonism because they cultivate degeneracy and are fucked up enough to thrive on that shit. Nothing fucks your culture up like an army of thirsty betas with zero prospects of banging, marriage or children. Zero productivity.
CainPrice 5y ago
Just because The Red Pill advocates that a valuable man should have options to fuck multiple women if he wants doesn't mean we're into some weirdo alternate lifestyle polygamy bullshit.
Just like just because The Red Pill advocates men being confident and dominant doesn't mean we're a bunch of BDSM fetishists.
Take your weirdo alternative lifestyle big love crap to Utah and stop pushing it on normal guys as some kind of desirable outcome.
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frendo223 5y ago
Doing a Ltr has never been “standard trp end game”
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
Women happily living in a house with other women you’re fucking is really rare. It’s just too in your face.
When a married woman “shares” an alpha it’s because she’s putting blinders on and pretending it isn’t happening. That’s why the divorce happens when the truth comes out.
While anything is possible (didn’t Charles Manson have a live in harem?) it’s pretty unlikely.
OsmiumZulu 5y ago
It was very common throughout most of human history. Women don't get along with other women when they view the other as competition or a threat. If they both have access to the man's sex and resources there is no real competition to be had. Not only that but it is a TRP maxim that women find men who can bed other women attractive, and men without options as unattractive. Even in some polygamous societies in recent history we find women looking for other women for their man to marry so his status will increase in the tribe.
I'm not suggesting that managing a household of women would be easy or even desirable, but it isn't quite as simple as it first seems.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Logically you are correct, however we all know women don't operate logically. In today's societal structure it's going to take an extreme extreme outlier to pull this off (Dan Bilzerian and the models that live with him and say they are "sister wives" for example.
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the thing is "the feels" will be pretty overwhelming for a girl if you are openly having 2 women live with you in a 3 way LTR. The feminist societal judgement and pressures from her friends and family will eventually be too much for you to be able to keep things running smoothly IMO.
ilacknitrous 5y ago
What about competition for attention?
OsmiumZulu 5y ago
Built in dread that is unlikely to cause major disruptions unless you are terrible at balancing your time and attention.
IBudgetForIt 5y ago
You should check out BlackDragon's blog. He has a system on how to do polygyny in today's culture. Just google "BlackDragon blog" to find his stuff.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Monogamy has always been for the lower class. Keeps the stilts of the top guy's empires stable. Any man that that claims he would not want polygamy for himself is a liar, brainwashed, and/or can't afford it. Even popes and priests, and other religious figures preaching monogamy of early christianity had children with multiple women. Getting laid more than the average man. Christianity, catholocism (paganism disguised as Christianity) and all the sects came from Judaism. And during that time, polygamy was acceptable.
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The second agriculture began, top men horded females for themselves and had as many children as possible. Often one main wife and a bunch of backup women (concubines) or even sex slaves just for sexual release and extra genetic expansion. Impregnating as many attractive women as possible and keeping the kids alive is the ultimate goal. Whether or not you can take such a path is irrelevant.
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It's natural that once a man is honest with himself and has the ability, he attempts it. There's some Utah, USA man on TV that has 5 wives with 25 kids. Every night he switches to the next wife's bed. He provides for all of them himself. That's alpha.
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No kids = not alpha.
Avertus 5y ago
I assume that Utah Mormons have gotta be rich to be able to do that (sort of a melding of alpha fucks and beta bux). And so are Gulf Muslims.
Dash_of_islam 5y ago
Yeah but you could probably get a hotter girl if you went for standard LTR giving your kids better genes.
Think about it, to pull off polygamy, they have to be lower smv than if you went steady with only one.
My culture has polygamy sometimes and I can tell you from my observations that the multiple wives thing are usually less attractive and less intelligent than if you only went for 1 wife.
Let's be honest, women would rather have an alpha than share it
Cuz higher quality women will demand going steady since they can find it.
And from what I've heard, multiple women living together is a God damned drama filled hell.
But concubines was the best setup. Look at the Sultans of Turkey. Back then poor European families would send their daughters to become concubines since they had decent lives living in Turkish Palaces in exchange of upkeep and giving the Sultan more children
Quaternionz 5y ago
My first order litmus test of Alpha has always been “how many women want to fuck you at any given time, or would want to fuck you if you took the minimal initiative to terminate your monk mode and invite them out.” It’s far from perfect, but it’s a good starting point. It can give false positives, but not false negatives. If the answer is 0 you’re definitely not an Alpha.
AllMadHare 5y ago
I had a wife and a live-in GF for a couple years, they had their own thing and we'd have 3ways etc pretty regularly.
It's easy enough to get 2+ women like that, but managing their conflicts and jealousy issues is the biggest headache. Arguments over who gets to go to work functions with me etc. Keeping track of what partner people thought was my wife was confusing AF too.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Please elaborate on this scenario. Like how did it start?
AllMadHare 5y ago
It's quite a long story but here's a rough rundown, one day i'll probably make a proper FR for it.
Met my wife when I was 16 and she was 17, she was still in school and I was living in a flat working full time (my parents we're pretty controlling and I wanted out). I didn't really know what I was doing but looking back I guess I did a lot of things right as that woman is still completely obsessed with me and worships the ground I walk on. To this day she's a tradwife where it counts, but she's always been very sexual and we've ended up having a lot of 3somes with other women over our relationship (never underestimate the power of a hot woman as your wingman).
Basically about 4 or so years into our relationship (couple years after we got married, we had a kid about 1 year in) I got that itch, but not being the kind of guy to cheat, as honesty was always a cornerstone of our relationship, we had a lot of talks and she agreed that ultimately for an arrangement where I could bang other women now and then.
Then I met our future-gf on twitter, she stalked me down when I was having a meetup on my lunch and we hit off. She was an ultra-liberal feminist type, so I think there was an aspect where she was able to score some of those LGBTBBQAAIP2+ points by talking about her 'polyamorous relationship' etc etc, but there was geniune feelings. At first the girls just avoided eachother, but they eventually met, and a couple of parties later we ended up having an impromptu 3-way, which eventually lead to a full blown relationship between the girls.
I must say that when I had everything going well, it was a dream, it was hilarious seeing the angry looks of guys walking around town with to petite, hot women hanging off me. I did lose the majority of my guy friends as it seems a lot of insecure guys will really resent you for it.
We had a great couple of years before our GF ultimately hit a wall where basically she wasn't willing to 'betray' her feminist ideals to be like my tradwife, and she realized I wasn't going to leave the mother of my child for someone who still gets upset over mean tweets.
Would I do it again? Totally, although there's a lot of lessons i've learned, mainly about the importance of frame, and time management. Mostly things fell apart because I developed crippling arthritis for a couple years and was pretty messed up on painkillers just to get to work. I'm better now but it was a harsh lesson in the high cost of lost frame.
antariusz 5y ago
Don’t need to be a millionaire, nor even 220lbs of pure muscle. From about 28-34 I racked up 200+ lays.
Guys like wilt chamberlain the bragged of 1000s... I used to think that was fantasy when I was kid. Shit, that isn’t even an entire decade of being a man on top of his game.
Trenned_out 5y ago
To be fair though OP is talking about something very different than just racking up lays. I mean I've had 22 in the past year alone which averages 2 new ones a month. But thats far from open polygamy with multiple women ya know?
TitusDorsus 5y ago
What’s the difference with spinnin’ plates?
I always treat them the same way I would treat a girlfriend. It can last an entire year or more or less. They always assume I am seeing other women and they are fine with it. I don’t judge them and they do what they want. The only thing is I don’t fall in love with them. They can leave whenever they want. They enjoy spending time with me and are always available.
Plus polygamy imply that you are a provider, I am not.
Multi-LTR, polygamy, spinnin’ plates, etc... all of them come naturally when your game is on top, when you developed your charisma, appearance, status, finance and you have abundance mentality. Once you reach that point, you will be able to choose the relationship you really want to have. Be it pump and dump, ONS, monk, LTR, etc...
Quaternionz 5y ago
It’s different because you would actually live with all those women, have children with them, and share a life with them.
I enjoy living with a (good) woman because she adds some value to my home life. She cooks, cleans, goes food shopping, decorates, does the laundry, runs errands, etc... The mundane daily work that goes into maintaining a home goes more smoothly when you have multiple people working at it together. When I’m solo I tend to focus on work, gym, and my social life. The quality of my home life suffers when I’m living alone. There just aren’t enough hours in the day to maintain everything in truly top condition. It’s easier when you have a partner around.
The problem is that building a home life with children and just one woman feels insane because of the added pressures that come from that arrangement. If I were to have children in a traditional LTR I’d have all of the following on my plate, all at once:
1) Work 2) Gym 3) Hobbies, reading, personal improvement. 4) Personal social life. My friends. Masculine hangouts. 5) Couples’ social life. Our friends. Fem-centric dinner parties and shit. 6) Being a father. The masculine aspects. Being a role model, spending quality time with the kids, teaching them things, etc... Because you should. 7) Childcare. The feminine aspects. Cooking for them, cleaning up after them, caring for them when they get sick, etc... Because it’s the 21st century and mommy doesn’t have the time to do that all solo. 8) Gaming other girls and spinning plates on the side. 9) Gaming your wife and keeping her attracted to you. 10) Supporting the wife when she gets sick, or gets fired from her job, has a parent die, or is going through some otherwise hard time in her life.
The conventional blue pill path to male reproduction is just flat out unworkable. After settling down and having few kids most beta dudes will cope by cutting things from this list, usually 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9. They’ll get fat, drop their hobbies, stop seeing their guy friends for masculine-centric hangouts, stop (significantly) gaming new women, and let their wife’s attraction to them slip into the shitter. Men will do 7, the feminine aspects of childcare, even though they find it tedious and it doesn’t provide them the kind of deep maternal satisfaction that drives women to do those things.
Live-in polygamy would fix a lot of this. You wouldn’t have to do as much of 5, 7, or 10. The women would handle it amongst themselves. You’d have more time for 2, 3, and 4. Gaming other girls, 8, would be easier because you wouldn’t have to do it in secret. 9 would come as a given because 2, 3, 4 and 8 are what women find attractive in the first place.
It seems so obvious to me that if you want to be a reproducing male, and you have the resources, this is the ideal way to do it.
TitusDorsus 5y ago
I agree with you that it's hard to maintain home in a good state if you are pretty active but, come on, we all know now that marriage is slavery for men. Why are you promoting it x3 or x4. That's just insane.
If you have several wives, it imply that you are wealthy enough to maintain them and all the children. Wouldn't it simplier if you hire a person that will clean your home and cook for you while you are at work? You would even save alot of money in this way.
ElegantCyclist 5y ago
I don't like the term "polygamy" and prefer "non-monogamy."
I wrote a free ebook explaining how to use non-monogamy as a game tool and how it fits in with the game overall.
ToplessTopmodel 5y ago
haha, i am reading it. Any yoga tipps?
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
Do you hold hands in public?
What would happen if Plate A saw you holding hands in public with Plate B?
Are you doing social activities with your plates (i.e. boyfriend/girlfriend stuff like eating out, going to the movies, meeting their parents, helping them with private problems,...) If yes, why do you invest your time, money and emotions in a girl that is getting fucked by other guys?
Do you know/meet her friends? (parties with her and her friends, going to a club,...) If yes, how are you introduced to her social circle? A friend? The boyfriend? Some rando that is fucking her?
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There are worlds between a plate and a girl with whom you share some deeper connection. As always, the devil is in the detail.
TitusDorsus 5y ago
I don't hold hands but I put my arm over her, kiss her on the forehead, push her against the wall during the night when we are coming back from a bar or restaurant.
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While living literally in the center of the city, it never happened that one of my plate see me with another one. If it should ever happen someday, I would act normally. If she is not ok with that then she is free to leave me.
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Yes, I go to restaurants, clubs, bars, events with them. It happened once that I met her parents because they have a house next to the beach, so I was spending some weekends with them. I can help them with private problems like if they need some advise regarding their career or if it's a good idea to live in another country/city, helping them to move their furniture in case of relocation. They know that with me they cannot talk about their friends /colleagues drama. They know I don't want drama either.
I spend time with them because I enjoy their company (I am European, women here can be interesting) and also because it gives me experience in intimacy with women.
I don't spend a lot of money on them. Each time we go for a drink or a restaurant, each pays his turn. I never give them a gift. Maybe for their birthday but it's something cheap or a little thing that has a meaning (like an inside joke). Regarding the emotions, I consider them more like intimate friends and my emotional investment is very limited. I don't mind if they are being fucked by other guys because I am fucking other girls.
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Yes, we can have friends/colleagues (I keep them as orbiters while working with them until one of us leave the company) so sometimes it may happen that we spend time together. I have no idea how they present me to their friends but, if I am with her this night, I will kiss and dance with her. I have right now a plate that was in an open-relationship when we started to see each other and I never met her boyfriend. If one of my ex-plates as a boyfriend and I see them because of our social circle, I would act normally and I would not touch her, talk to her just enough to not be rude. I don't fuck with women that are in a monogamous relationship. If I see her with a guy she is fucking, then it is okay, I can game some other girls during that night or go fuck one of my other plates.
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The huge differences for me between a plate and a girlfriend are the commitment and projection. If I really want a relationship with one of them, I would live with her, be exclusive and projecting to do things with far in the time. Here it is not the case. I don't live with them, I see them when I want to and don't project further than the next week (excepted if we plan to go on a city trip). The good thing with this kind of relationship (call it how you prefer) is that I can experience different personalities and different cultures (I speak 5 languages and learning a 6th with one of them), increase quickly in experience, to know what kind of woman I really want for an eventual committed relationship and I don't lose time being a serial-monogamous until I find the one that suits me if it ever happen.
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taxichaffis 5y ago
This is the real form of toxic masculinity that there is good reason to critique. This post is BS.
The core of TRP is a positive and truthfull message to men about how women really work and how to be a better man (and a special focus on improving your success with females). It seems bitter from the outside, because the truth can be hard to swallow, but lots of anonymous men share the truth for free here that you should have learned from your father and other rolemodels in society that have been castigated by the gynocratic feminist radicals.
Now, often some confused people look at TRP and look at misogyny and equate them. Look at Islam, that is codified misogyny and tribalism such as what you propose. Without going into the details of this post, misogyny will make you an angry man (like many new readers of TRP when they first learn about how mislead they were about the true nature of women) when the goal is Amused Mastery and tribal practices such as polygamy will make violent societies like the Middle East.
A man who fantasizes and acts on fantasies is an out of control fake-Alpha who needs to learn impulse control. If a man is to fuck every woman he ever is attracted to, there wouldnt be much going on besides fucking. No money, no development and no improvement. Not to mention, it pedestalizes women and gives them an exaggerated value.
Moreover, it simply isn't true that men and women constantly fantasize about slutting it up and having multiple partners. That is low-value people stuff, a woman wants the best possible man (hypergamy) and only sluts it up if she has issues as it runs counter to her nature as a woman. A female slut is like a basketball game where the team with the least points wins.
anglertaio 5y ago
respecc wahmen.
Marriage is ownership. Always has been. Sure polygamy is unnatural, but only barely, and much less so than fornication.
taxichaffis 5y ago
You should not respect women or men for their gender, respect the way nature made men and women if you want to succeed at dealing with them.
You need not get married (in fact, untill courts change, just don't) but to aspire to be a polygamist is retarded. Look at the Mormons or the Muslims, are those your ideal societies and male role models?
anglertaio 5y ago
Both the Mormons and (especially) the Muslims are overwhelmingly more civilized than mainstream Western culture, because they don't allow their wives and daughters to screw around. That's the baseline for civilization, and we're farther below the baseline than jungle headhunters.
taxichaffis 5y ago
The baseline for civilization is that people of old age can plant a tree that they will never harvest the fruits from. Thats from the classical Greek tradition. More recently, Bertrand Russel defined civilization as the ability to postpone present pleasures for future rewards. If one looks at Islam and muslim countries, they are the exact opposite of civilized.
anglertaio 5y ago
Yes, and what is the most important fruit of all, but children? Yet the West idolizes the destruction of families, zero consequence for promiscuity, and the perversion of children.
red_philosopher 5y ago
What you are advocating is Polygyny, not polygamy.
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balderdash351 5y ago
Oh boy, the incels are going to be pissed at this
OsmiumZulu 5y ago
Looks like someone hit a nerve. The amount of emotional responses to this alone suggests that there is something worth examining here.
On a macro level this potentially "solves" several issues facing the West. Like it or not, demography doesn't lie and traditional Western populations are being displaced in their own countries by third world immigrants who don't share their values. Unless you've determined not to have children, this is something well worth being concerned about unless you've made peace with the idea of your offspring's offspring living under Sharia law. Personally I find that future untenable. The issue at hand is low birth rates among westerners.
It isn't shocking as to why that is. Marriage 2.0, with no fault divorce, feminism, and #metoo, has failed. Men have little to gain from pledging their future to a woman and trade the give up the majority of the power they have in a relationship, at least legally speaking. If polygamy were somehow formally instituted in the west this would have to change. Being on the legal chopping block with one woman is tenuous enough, no need to multiply the problem.
Now, if somehow that fundamental issue with modern marriage were resolved and men began to have some degree of legal power over against their wives and began to marry again, and marry in multiples, it would go a long way in helping turn around the demographic decline of the west.
Another issue is the spread of weak genetics. Frankly, Idiocracy is happening in real time and the unproductive people on the public dole are outbreeding the people who are bringing value to the market / society. This would be terrible for incels and potentially massively destabilizing to society, but if the top tier men and their seed/resources weren't legally locked down by a single woman, it would potentially drive helpful upward pressure on the less productive to secure a mate.
Now, a world where the Jeff Bezos of the world has 500 wives doesn't sound ideal, but so far he can't even keep one so that may not be as likely of an eventuality as it first seems.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The endgames are whatever you wish them to be, TRP is simply the base of information you'll use to execute it, and as far as that's concerned Polygamy/Polygny has been discussed at length.
The entire plate spinning model was developed to this end, so that you can sleep with multiple women at any given time.
Your level of investment to any of these women is entirely up to you. Remember that LTR, FWB, Plates are simply labels we use to describe levels of investment, and they can be subject to change at any given time.
As for success, plate spinning has a proven track record. You can keep the women in your life aslong as you please, or until the plate breaks. You can quite comfortably plate women for years as long as the arrangement suits both of you.
The key point is you're never offering exclusivity or limiting your options.
I know some guys who have LTR's and plate and I know guys who are married and plate, it's not restricted to being single.
Personally, I find a main FWB, or what would even look like an LTR to the outside world with multiple plates as the best set up, in terms of sexual satisfaction and effort.
Operating an inhouse harem is serious work and requires constant management.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Agree. I've had an open LTR (on my end) and the main girl plus a rotation of 1-2 "side bitches" with randoms thrown in on occasion was best. The side bitches were basically low level investment plates, I only put them above randoms because we'd see each other a bit more often or I'd grab a drink with them in public on occasion.
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This was during the last 2 years of law school which overall (besides finals) I had alot more time than I do now working full time. I had alot more fucks to give about gaming women at the time too. Still transitioning into this full fledged adult thing but still put effort into building up a rotation in the new city I moved too.
peaceful_strong_man 5y ago
Scared, yet to be discovered red pill truth? I’ve been saying this!
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
Now, speak with me: PO - LY - GY - NY.
POLY - GYNY.
POLYGYNY.
Oh yeah and no, don't marry, forget 2.
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Quaternionz 5y ago
How about:
G - O F - U - C - K Y - O - U - R - S - E - L - F
rishiarora 5y ago
I know an Alpha Apex he had a count of over 50 in like 2 years. He was not even good looking but good at texting as well.
handfulofnuts 5y ago
That’s...not that much. 2 per month. If you have tight game that’s easy. I fucked about 30 girls in 2 years, while married. Had I been single/divorced during that time, I could have easily doubled that, if not more.
To OP’s point, I could see enjoying having two women in the house at once. Listening to Jerry talk on the Black Phillip show makes me want to try it at least once in my life. But I could also see it being a huge headache. They’d have to both be real sweethearts, and get along really well, for me to even consider it.
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handfulofnuts 5y ago
I “worked late” or “went to networking events” a lot. It worked because I actually did do those things a lot, so it didn’t raise any eyebrows when I used it as an excuse in order to bang a plate or go on a tinder date.
I mostly used Tinder Plus to find girls. There’s a setting which allows you to only have your profile shown to people you’ve already swiped right on, which makes it easy to hide from people you know. I also travelled a decent amount for work, and Tinder Plus allows you to swipe in other places, so I’d swipe in whatever city I was about to travel to, and occasionally I’d have a date set up before I even arrived. Once I was actually balls deep in a girl within half an hour of checking in to my hotel, and I still hook up with her whenever I’m in that city.
Early on I’d hide the fact that I was married. A few girls figured it out, some cared, some didn’t. Later I found it easier to just be up front about it. That would weed a lot of girls out, of course, but the ones who were cool with it would stick around longer, so I could spend less time chasing pussy.
I wouldn’t recommend it to other married guys. If you need to cheat, just get out of the marriage. But if that isn’t possible temporarily for whatever reason (it wasn’t for me), then yeah, cheat your ass off, but be smart about it. It probably saved me from depression, because I was miserable otherwise. I never got caught, but I got damn close a few times. Much, much happier after the divorce though.