An important advertisement from TRP is that it claims that it shows you the truth, exposed by the name of the subreddit. Theoretically, I would argue that it isn’t necessary to claim this or even for this to be true – some would argue that TRP is an ideology, a complete set of accurate beliefs that can guide you through life and manage sexual intent. While TRP may be what it claims, it would be more practical to define it in a different manner, as a perspective. I’m assuming this is how conventional PUA forums were structured, and the difference could be contributing to stigmatization of our community.
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Defining the TRP as an ideology is fine for some people, but at the same time, it influences a lot of the problems in this community that lead to outside stigmatization, which I argue should be an object of focus for us – we should be actively striving to bring our fellow man with us, and make our community more accessible for the benefit of man as a whole, not to alienate our community and inadvertently influence the death of masculinity. That seems dramatic, and I don’t mean to claim that we should resort to advertising, or even break the first rule, but I think that there is often an underlying lack of accessibility for new members, and we should avoid driving those with essentially the same goals as us away from our community - there is really no reason not to be inclusive.
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The idea that TRP is a complete ideology, in my experience and opinion, causes many men who attempt to follow the extensive and beautiful lessons taught on this website to feel like they are losing their sense of self to create a new person with a completely novel set of beliefs and actions, which is both more difficult than necessary and makes many feel like they are losing their sense of self. Obviously, you do have to change yourself – that’s the point, and it’s a difficult process to say the least, but I would claim it isn’t necessary to essentially rewrite yourself. In reality, you don’t need to completely abandon your personality, only alter it in the correct ways – the ways that let you get girls. I’m using an intuitive and provisional definition of personality for the sake of space but depending on how you would like to define it, you don’t need to change your personality at all – just some core dispositions or attributes that have less to do with your method of expression. In fact, changing essentially how you express things may actually be less productive, but maybe I’ll follow this line of thinking more extensively in another post, opting not to go too far on tangent.
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The most functional way to define TRP is as a perspective, a system of interpretation of reality, that when adopted, causes you to attract more women. You don’t necessarily have to interpret reality the way it is, only in a way that works. In fact, I think for most non-experts, it’s much more effective to think of TRP as a social, sexual, and psychological science – we have used an incredible amount of self-collected, experiential data describing a social action-response paradigm that causes you to get laid. It’s really that simple, and it’s a framework. Understanding the reality of social situations is much more complicated, and even thinking about it in a social situation can be unproductive. As a disclaimer, I would say that much of the theory posted here really does describe reality – tests are a real and well documented social and sexual phenomenon, but it may often be more effective to interpret situations that aren’t tests to be tests. The most important dynamic is that the perspective presented by TRP lets you stay confident and maintain frame during pickup – women are attracted to high value, and it’s important to appear high value. For most people just getting into PUA, it’s reasonable to assume their low status is what brought them here – that was certainly the case for me. For these individuals, the game is essentially fake it until you make it – what they need to understand is how to fake it effectively. If that entails a complete rewriting of belief frameworks that describe reality and a reinvention of the self, then so be it, but I don’t think that’s actually necessary. I think that new beliefs need to be adopted, but it’s would be in our interest to search for the most effective ones, and not necessarily the essential truths of reality. I think a lot of you will disagree with me here, and I would love to hear what you have to say.
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I’m not arguing that we should change the name of the subreddit or migrate. TRP is our branding now, and that’s okay. I only wanted to present my opinion on how we should present our community, and hopefully influence the opinion of those who took the time to read this. There seems to be a growing lack of theory here, which I think is a problem – to many documented experiences, most of which’s sole product is to contribute to the anger phase seem unnecessary. Reminders are obviously important, as is keeping up with relevant news, but I think that there is a lot more expansion and debate to be had about our ideals here. Too much of anything isn’t a good thing, and I think in the end, practice is more important than theory, but the purpose of this website is to lay out the groundwork – you have to commit to making the change yourself and change your behavior accordingly. Let me know what you guys think.
Feelinggood702 5y ago
The discussion of hypergamy, for example is what stops this subreddit in its tracks.
To change it, we’d have to focus more on self-development and less “blunt” aspects, making this subreddit more a self-help for men. There’s already a fuckton of that, and there’s a lot of PC ones out there, so this sure as hell wouldn’t be the first one people go to. I don’t agree with the aggressive undertones and some of the retarded shit I see here, but it’s pretty fucking open to discussion, which is what really makes this subreddit special.
Edit: Wanted to say too that I believe that the OG’s of TRP are men who have been hurt or abused by women. Therefore the anger phase, aggressive, “women are whores” way of perceiving and so on. Thing is, a lot of guys going into this subreddit are young men that I’m sure have barely ever interacted with women in the first place. They may or may not end up being hurt by women, depending on how well they know themselves and how well they respond to the situation (or how much of a sucker they are, but hey, it’s all good as you learn from these experiences). So I guess the OG’s of this subreddit created TRP out of righteous anger, but it’s not always the case for every man. Men smarten up with experience.
“I think that new beliefs need to be adopted, but it’s would be in our interest to search for the most effective ones, and not necessarily the essential truths of reality. I think a lot of you will disagree with me here, and I would love to hear what you have to say.“
Depends on the type of person I guess. People will have beliefs one way or another, and if they get it from another source, cool. Just make sure you test those beliefs. If you created the belief yourself through experience and it helps you, even better. Point is, who are you gonna trust, yourself, or someone else? I definitely disagree with you there, as you’re limiting the expansion of the other person by not letting them see things for themselves and instead pushing your own agenda.
WinjetRed 5y ago
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Saun522 5y ago
The name of this community tells you all you need know about what we are. The red pill is a symbolic metaphor for the truth. Taken from "the matrix", it represents the knowledge that a lot of our reality is not what we previously thought it was.
max_peenor 5y ago
We are not an ideology, we are not a religion, we aren't a club and we aren't an anything. We don't declare truth, we share our observations. We sure as hell aren't telling you what to do. We have been over this a thousand times.
But I will add this. Keep an eye on trp.red. The mods here keep this sub on a very specific rail. When rolled out, trp.red will have plenty of corners that go in other directions. If anyone is struggling with staying on topic here, keep an eye out there.
Mushonix 5y ago
Most men are not ready to swallow the pill. While it is true that more men are susceptible to get glimpses of the matrix because of modern feminists and scandals like the Gillette ad, I think that if those men came here, we'd have another season of shitty posts, leading to another prohibition to posting, or even that's reddit really needs to ban our ass off.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
It is completely possible to do so. You could remove the idea of polygamic plates. At least not insist on it. You could have abundance but one at a time, at least officially and let the readers understand. You'd need to remove the many occasions where women are depicted as inferior. It would need a new name of course.
This would be better on severa levels. More men would shallow the pill, even if partially. Over the years or from people to go deeper, they would naturally go to TRP. It would help make masculinity judged more positive in our world and so helping slowing to shift things to the advantage of most men.
In the end likely it is already there with PUA and the likes in a form or another anyway. But PUA lacks maybe the political aspects of protecting men interrests.
But the reality is anyway we don't really want that. First today mode allows redpillers to feel enlighted, like being the happy fews, the choosen people. Many there are low status or former low status and are a bit frightened to be outranked again if everybody was to apply it. Even if you are naturally top 10%, if the TRP made you top 1%, you don't want to be only top 10% again. TRP would not be a competitive advantage anymore if it was mainstream. Finally many there are not mature and cunning enougth to do it.
HandsofThyme 5y ago
It is impossible to present this community to the mainstream at the present time. Read on to learn why.
For liberal egalitarianism, the very idea of acknowledging this ladder is like loudly announcing, upon returning from the loo at a flat party, that you have deposited a fearsome turd.
The best way to 'represent ourselves' here is – not at all, unless provoked.
(Edit: If ideas founded or developed on this forum do leach into the water mains of society, they will do so either by shadow members of this forum or unaffiliated parties, using new lingo, avoiding the more contentious terms and ideas, and generally by diluting a heady liquor for thinner tastes.)
El_Serpiente_Roja 5y ago
Perfectly put, great comment and 100% spot on
Nicolas0631 5y ago
I think the most controversial issues of the TRP are:
- the notion of plates and organized polygamy. It is widely accepted that you could even have one night sex encounter, but what isn't so well accepted is to have several in parallel.
- the notion that the female, while not said explicity like that by all people here could be seen as clearly inferior and need to be controled and ruled by their male counterparts.
But I don't think the mainstream has any issue with the most effective ways to get laid, to use techniques, to even fake a bit to get what you want. This is anyway exactly what everybody does on day to day life. Even the white knight fake it a lot, trying to stick to his ideal he doesn't fully adhere too.
I don't think neither the mainstream would have major difficulty with masculinity.
bakamoney 5y ago
You can't bring anyone into the fold unless they want in
chazthundergut 5y ago
It isnt an ideology because it isnt prescriptive.
TRP is a paradigm
It is a lens through which to view the world and especially inter sexual dynamics. There are many paradigms, and we each have our own unique perspective.
TRP just happens to be the most consistently accurate paradigm
El_Serpiente_Roja 5y ago
TRP is absolutely prescriptive but I still see what youre getting at and agree
HandsofThyme 5y ago
I can agree with TRP-as-paradigm, but there’s certainly a prescriptive ideology here re: how to become a ‘winner’ within its lens.
In addition to the writings about improving oneself, there’s also a vast amount of writing about how to ‘handle’ women. Whether that writing tends to work for any given person is irrelevant- if you have a horse in the race of ‘gaining the upper hand in sexual dynamics’ you’d necessarily need to decry any group whose trade secrets (so to speak) included those writings as a way of getting people to either not take the advice seriously, or avoid seeking it out altogether.
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