It’s well known in psychology that women are drawn to men that have the dark triad of personality traits:
From Wikipedia:
“All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[8]
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[9] Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception.[10] Psychopathy is characterized by continuing antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness.[11]”
It’s theorised that women want to bear the children of men with these characteristics because the world is a dangerous place (the relative safety of our western bubble is a mere blip on the evolutionary timescale), and those with these characteristics often have what it takes to succeed in such an environment because of their callousness, intelligence and ruthlessness, and therefore the genes that code for such traits are favourable.
The two things that got me thinking about this was a post on here recently about inducing hypnotic states to build attraction, and also a comment about the gaze of a narcissist by a user from the a subreddit for those who have suffered at the hands of narcissists:
“Not all of them have those eyes (my covert Narc didn't which was partly why I thought he was alright)... but when they do have them, it's unforgettable. It's like staring into a blank dead void, a black pit, or so intense and unblinking it makes you look away first, perhaps with a nervous laugh and a thrill to be the sudden subject of such focus. Definitely predatorial, a bit frightening, and immobilizing when they look at you that way. In photos, sometimes it's just... entrancing(?) but in a "you know this is not going to end well" way. Oh, sometimes it's accompanied by a smirk. Or sometimes covered with sunglasses but with a confident arrogant smirk ...”
Think about it. In nature often the female is hypnotised by the intense singular focus of a powerful male with one thing on his mind, this alone can induce submission, and from what I can gather, women find it extremely pleasurable to give in to such attention completely.
Also look at the wording of that comment, “you know this is not going to end well”. So powerful is this drive to engage sexually with such a person that a woman will disregard her better judgment.
If you’ve ever had this experience yourself you’ll know that this feeling is so overwhelming for a woman that it can send her into a trance that lasts long after sex has finished. One of my partners often was unable to talk or even move for 20 minutes after sex that started, continued and finished with this predatory intensity and mindset in action on my behalf.
It was like watching someone who’d just shot up heroin. I don’t doubt if you put her in a brain scanner after such a session you’d see a similar pattern of narcotic intoxication in the brain.
This is clearly a powerful drive that will motivate a person to seek a peak experience like this. If you can embody this mindset, it’s not difficult to see where it leads for both of you. I’m not saying become a dark triad dickhead permanently, but if you’re looking to build momentary attraction of the most intense kind, this is the perhaps the mentality to embody in the moment.
FriendlyNeighburrito 5y ago
I gonna go with the title, original 6000 subs guy.
It's been over 3 years since I've internalized TRP and posted onto this sub.
It's important to emulate or take advantage of dark triad characteristics, but it is also important to understand that actually being dark triad or having dark triad characteristics as part of your actual psychology, is not a positive outcome. ColdIceZero makes a more detailed case.
But in essence, it is the old expression of "Balance in everything".
Being anti-social helps you understand mob mentality, and create a better character for yourself. Being anti-social is not good for integrating with society however, a true "Alpha Male" (havent used that word in 3 years, sounds weird now) is one that is socialized and inspires his peers.
Being remorseless is good for not beating yourself up for things you cant control. However, being remorseless forever will not allow you to develop as a person. Lack of empathy is good for getting your way, but not for inspiring the confidence of others.
A small bit of machievellianism is great for getting ahead in life. Applying it at everything you do is not good for your mental wellbeing and your character, machievelli did what he did because he lacked in every other aspect in his life.
Find a balance, be a true chameleon. The creature that adapts the best is the one that survives (Charles Darwin).
And bring value to others around you.
MGTOWinCambodia 5y ago
Any desire to develop dark triad traits is probably a desire to avoid pain by becoming the person who doles out pain.
There's a simpler answer: MGTOW.
jackIt66 5y ago
The Army diagnosed me with several traits from Cluster B personality disorder
mariapan 5y ago
Being surrounded by Dark triad guys I know that eyes very well , its the predator eyes, you can get the same eyes if you play the stalker-game with your cat for example.,In my opinion the stalker glance is highly correlated with psychopathy not sure about narcissism.
Probably it signifies that the male is a good hunter that's why it arouses women
FuckMichaelMcCoy 5y ago
Can you link a picture of this "predatory" stare? I have heard this a million times but its never backed by a visual. I notice that top alpha males: predominantly NFL athletes have this predatory stare similar to a Lion or Jaguar's eyes while on the football field after making a big play. Just wondering if its the same thing.
dr_warlock 5y ago
It's a feeling not the reality. Just like a woman suddenly thinking you're handsome and your dick is big when she falls for you. Nothi g changed about you, just perception. The stimuli and the observer are the same thing.
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reluctantly_red 5y ago
Its something that comes naturally when a guy is in a highly energized state (i.e. hyped after a big play -- or raging with anger). Its more intense for some guys. I've been told I look very scary when I'm angry even though I seldom lose control.
Gang members are often very good at "mad dogging" their enemies. I've learned how to do this and it can be lots of fun. I do it to my ex-wife's BF when we exchange the kids. I love watching him go scurrying into the house. My ex tells me to stop it but I can just say "what, I'm not doing anything" and smile.
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reluctantly_red 5y ago
Childish sure. But it's fun. ????
FriendlyNeighburrito 5y ago
ugh, thats great and all, but it really detracts your achievements when you talk about yourself in that way.
Makes you actually sound not that threatening.
MakeMenGreatAgain44 5y ago
With my old ex, she used to tell me how excited she felt whemever I put my hand on her neck. She said it's a vulnerability because you could easily twist her neck or harm her in some way. That this was a turn on for her. Also whenever I really took charge and fucked her without warning she was obviously very enticed by the whole thing.
LucidCunning 5y ago
"If you’ve ever had this experience yourself you’ll know that this feeling is so overwhelming for a woman that it can send her into a trance that lasts long after sex has finished. One of my partners often was unable to talk or even move for 20 minutes after sex that started, continued and finished with this predatory intensity and mindset in action on my behalf. "
I would absolutely hate it if I was on the receiving end of this. It would make me feel murderous thoughts toward the person who did it to me. This is of course why as a blue-pilled man I never dreamt in a million years it's what most women secretly crave.
linkschode 5y ago
Yes, it’s also a symptom of thinking men and women have the same mindset generally and surrounding sex.
Gavin McInnes said it best, something about good heterosexual sex being like a snake subduing and sinking it’s fangs into the back of its preys neck.
Of course the whole Sub / Dom thing in humans is versatile between genders and orientation as we’re creative and love to role play, but generally we’re dimorphic sexual animals just like the rest of ‘em
LucidCunning 5y ago
Even the craziest female dom-bitch wants to cum and has a fantasy that makes her do it... and being a dom is not it.
RossFromBritain 5y ago
i have a friend who had sex with another friend who is a dominatrix. she puts out this image of being the hardcore bitch that will fist your ass for money but he said when they had sex she was all feminine and submissive and emotional
i also know she's intensely insecure about her stomach (for no reason) and that she is very mentally fucked up (of course) but pretends she's just an empowered female living the high life.
... yeah right, I got messages from her standing on a roof in bangkok saying she wanted to jump.
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XfactorCQ 5y ago
You can't embody that "mindset" because it's not a mindset.
People who are part of dark triad personalities are like that because of genetical and enviromental causes, those traits are there and always will be there, they're fixed and behaviour that is a result of those traits is subconcious.
You would never mimick that because you don't really know what to mimick, you will not mimick pure egoism, lack of empathy and conscience because you have empathy and conscience, at best you will look like a try hard wannabe in which case woman will read on that and get turned off.
There is no such thing as narcissistic smirk or psychopathic stare, i am a person that is diagnosed with Narcissistic personality disorder and Antisocial personality disorder, there is no secret psychopathic stare in me, there is no secret creepy smirk, sure i fucking smirk but who doesn't? The whole thing is just based on someone's magical thinking.
vandaalen 5y ago
This has been explored ad nauseam here already, especially by RP-vanguard /u/illimitableman
https://illimitablemen.com/power/
dr_warlock 5y ago
Noobs making basic bro guides and lists about old shit gets irritating.
Thunderbird93 5y ago
I'm a senior studying Economics,schizophrenia landed me in jail,house arrest and the psych ward in 2016. Mental illness is no joke,my delusions have caused me alot of pain but hey,that DTF stripper?Easy. All I'm saying psychologically is that you need Sublimation. Transmute a negative impulse into a positive outcome.
ColdIceZero 5y ago
Mental illness.
Two of the three Dark Triad traits are Cluster B Personality Disorders, hallmarked by an inability to form social relationships or feel empathy.
You cannot consciously "become" this way. These mental conditions are the result of either a genetic predisposition or growing up in a severely abusive childhood environment.
These traits certainly have their advantages in certain specific, select situations. But overall, they contribute to a terrible quality of life because you cease having the ability to form friendships or other social bonds with people. And because you aren't self aware, you'll blame literally everyone else as though it's their fault they can't form a relationship with you.
Yes, we can academically acknowledge that Cluster B or "Dark Triad" traits mirror certain attractive characteristics (like confidence, outcome independence, and risk-taking), but glorifying Dark Triad is like wanting to be autistic: sure it has its advantages in certain situations, but you can't force yourself to be autistic, and the advantages of autism actively hinder your ability to form the kind of relationships you want to have in your life.
Instead of wanting to possess personality disorders, you should improve yourself physically, athletically. Learn new things. Develop a skill. Discover ways to get more active and involved in social groups. Create a purpose for your life.
Through these experiences, you will develop confidence. With the resulting abundance of positive social experiences, you naturally will develop outcome independence, and all without the hindrance of being fucking retarded.
So don't be a neckbeard who fantasizes about being a ninja, and don't be a retard who fantasizes about having mental disabilities.
R3v4mp3d 5y ago
Fake it till you make it works even in this case. I will vouch for it based on my personal experience and experimentation with the emulation of total insensitivity. I'll even add that most of my coworkers have this trait bit are unknown of it and only use it for work. "The zone" as some parts of the internet calls it is that area of extreme focus in which most mental processes fall except the task at hand. This can be shifted so easily towards social interactions that it's impressive.
I'll agree that good healthy social interactions are needed for a balanced society, but up to a point. If I have to prove myself to you by how hard I'm squeezing your hand on our first handshake then I'm clearly in the wrong room and dealing with the wrong person. Sadly, I end up adapting to the norm, not the other way around.
The best conversations and exchanges of ideas took place when I was walking with someone while were both discussing something and looking ahead. Body language has effectively zero value as I'm not even looking at you nor you at me. We sometimes check each other out as a way to gauge the other's attention or if he fell behind with the matter. Also I found that I can make a social interaction better for both parties if I'm completely disengaged yet know how to play the social game in such a way that the receiver is pleased with the interaction. This works for me since in the rare cases in which I derive pleasure from social interaction is when I have a serious discussion as presented above or when I manage to make others happy and smile.
Shaney96 5y ago
Posts like this, as ridiculous a concept it seems, could benefit from "[NEWBIES BEWARE]" or "[FOR NON-AUTISTS ONLY]" tags to keep away those whose personalities are a million miles away from being able to implement dark-triad stratagem (and other more 'extreme' TRP-related concepts) effectively and non-autistically.
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Mescalean 5y ago
I can’t disagree. I’ve been manipulative my whole life. Then met my moms side of the family and the men on it. It all made sense.
gbdoragnic 5y ago
According to reddit and some unviersity we are all suffering mental illness, let me tell you a story about mental illness, back in the 1930s, if a women had dreams, ambition, hopes, they would cut her brain out, and leave her a shell, Physiology was garbage in the 1930's, it's a piece of garbage now.
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I mean open up this sub reddit on a new browser, and learn from the P.Hds, we are toxic masculinity
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> s, you should improve yourself physically, athletically. Learn new things. Develop a skill. Discover ways to get more active and involved in social groups. Create a purpose for your life.
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Every guy does this, in one way of another, it helps nothing with women, Most guys have jobs, most guys work, most guys have hobbies, they just don't understand women and don't want to offend, it's the care and love for others than hinders men the most,
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> So don't be a neckbeard who fantasizes about being a ninja, and don't be a retard who fantasizes about having mental disabilities.
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Male shaming tactic, no one is suggesting you be a bad evil person, just teaching you that if you are this person good things can happen to you.
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LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Edit: lets not discredit machiavellianism, or deception/appearances, especially when it comes to mainstream dating. Through a red pill lens, machiavellianistic dating is easy mode.
I disagree - I believe self-awareness is an aspect of high functioning sociopaths/narcissists.
Being aware of not caring / being able to connect / having a character to play as.
Not only can you not FORCE yourself to be "dark triad" (other than more machiavellian,) people glorify sociopathy, psychopathy, and narcissism cus they see the heroes on movie screens get the girls by being sociopaths, but then when reality of those conditions hit them, or they read/hear/meet someone who exemplifies those conditions, then they bring out the head-pikes.
It's not fun living that way, it just gives a certain level of emotional detachment, however it's not worth the instability.
Only solution.
Also, for narcissistic men, I've researched even with self-awareness, their "rehabilitation" situation still seems grim. Incurable. Treatable, not-curable. Same for sociopathy.
R3v4mp3d 5y ago
If we are to consider narcissism as an overcompensation of people with low confidence/ a weakness complex, then fixing the source should theoretically clear the "side-effect". But then again I need to find a narcissist and test this.
ColdIceZero 5y ago
It's often incurable because they don't see themselves as having a problem. They see everyone and everything else as the problem. Like alcoholics, if you can't admit you have a problem, then you're not going to work to fix it.
The core of the issue here is the glamorizing of these conditions, which reeks of a PUA mentality.
I've always seen the distinction between PUA and TRP as the difference between pretending to be an attractive person and actually becoming an attractive person.
PUA was always about parlor tricks and gimmicks to attract a girl's attention. PUA is about being an actor portraying a character. It isn't about "who you are," it's about playing a game to project an image to others, making them think you're something that you're not. It's superficial, a facade. It's fancy wallpaper on a rickety shack.
And PUA certainly has its effectiveness. Peacocking and palm reading can be very effective in the right environments.
TRP, in my opinion, is about actually becoming an attractive person by focusing on improving yourself, instead of by mimicking what attractive people do.
TRP asks the question, "if women are attracted to confident, quality men, then perhaps it would be easier to be attractive by just becoming a confident, quality man, instead of putting on the makeup and faking it."
It's the difference between dressing up and pretending to be a doctor (PUA) and actually going to medical school to become a doctor (TRP).
By becoming a doctor, your life will see greater overall improvement that will extend far beyond just being more attractive. And being attractive is much less effort when you are actually a doctor, compared to the amount of effort it takes to be a fake doctor pretending to be cool.
Ultimately, there is no single correct or incorrect way of being attractive. If wearing a costume and pretending to be a Dark Traid self-absorbed asshole who is physically incapable of feeling empathy and has no friends is your ideal method for picking up chicks, then more power to you.
Just realize that the attractive traits you are mimicking (confidence, outcome independence, abundance mentality) are traits you can legitimately possess and exhibit as a man who has actually worked to develop a sense of self worth.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
I agree, when I was faking my way into girls pants, I was following PUA. Now, it's not a show, and I favor TRP.
Fake it until make it
ahg1008 5y ago
No. Its quite true. I dated a psycho bpd . She had those eyes. Except I never realized.. Only now that I look at old pics I realized.. She clearly saw me as if I was dinner or prey.
mariapan 5y ago
Guyz stop with this crazy bpd chick thing.
Women use bpd tactics because they work on men, it is not necessary that they are bpd ,they can be other types of crazy . <-- Psychology nerd here lol
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markinsinz7 5y ago
Sounds like just a basic rehash of the dark triad stuff. What exact mindset are you talking? Actions are key - what exactly to think of oneself is key here
MountainEphiphany 5y ago
I felt slightly uncomfortable reading this because I noticed I have nearly all the traits listed for each category in the dark triad, although I've made and effort to not act in those ways because I've noticed the detrimental effect on my close friends ships and LTR. It is, however, true. I probably have approach 2 of the many girls I've dated. Almost every girl I've been with approached me first. And despite being called a terrible boyfriend through high school and early college by friends of the girl, they stayed with my anyways and obssessed over me after we broke up. Some even went as far as to stalk me, and I kind of feel bad as an adult because I never did anything special for me and they were literally only attracted to me because I was a huge jerk.
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While these traits might be good at just getting random chicks, I've been trying to focus on nurturing good relationships with my friend and LTR. I'm naturally an IDGAF person so I actually have to try to care when it comes to other people. I'm wondering if there's any literature for people with this problem. I'm naturally a dick, but I realize there's times where I need to not act like a dick. That, for me, is quite hard and I want to learn how to do that.
Shooter-Mcgavinn 5y ago
I live with my cousin and he is 100% a narcissist. And the shit i see on a daily just confirms red pill. He literally fucks women all the time and his main plate aint going anywhere
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Absolutely true. I'll join in the chorus with everyone else in saying I know someone with that very look. Dark eyes - extreme narcissist. When I introduced two friends one said about the other after that his eyes scared him. That you had no idea what he may be thinking - dark and mysterious.
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My non-triad buddy pulls without even trying to ((but I digress), and he said about the dark triad - "very mysterious - I can see why women respond to him" - and the triad was 5'6" and pulled!!
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LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
This entire post is retarded. It's boiled down to the definitions of each dark triad trait, him, then goes on for 8 paragraphs about hypnotic eye gazes inducing 20 minute long orgasms, and vague mentions of "predatory mindsets."
Witch doctor nonsense - not dark triad.
I, on the other hand, have machivellied girls so hard - built fake social proof that turned into real social proof, fake pre-selection that lead to REAL lays, that turned into real pre-selection, had them thinking i was a rockstar with mysterious past - it was all an elaborate facade. Sometimes, I even invented characters, alter egos for the girls to fall in love with. It was an act.
That's narcissism and machivallien dating - and psychopathy, well, let's say I learned ALOT from Iceburg Slim.
But I dont think real Dark Triad posts are accepted in this sub, or well received.
Everybody loves reading about dark triad theory, until a guy actually does it and it works - he'd get crucified.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Did similar and that shit did a number on me. Essentially because my dark triad was so validated and rewarded by women that i was indeed becoming a psycho. At some point i was loving the abusive psycho i was, and i was getting sick and unhappy with the person i was becoming. In the end the juice is not worth the squeeze and you realize how empty women are and how superficial they are, therefore you cant love them, appreciate them or respect them. This is how you go mgtow.
freew33zy 5y ago
I love you. /no homo
But for real: I did not know anyone else did this. When I finished HS, I was a virgin. I moved away to college where nobody knew me, 1,000 miles away. I told everyone I was the fucking shit--how many girls I fucked, etc. I did it smoothly and believably. Then, a HB8, my current one-way open LTR, started fucking me because of it. Then, because of her, I started fucking hot girls in bulk. I fuck hot girls all the time now. All because I manipulated THE FUCK out of everyone I encountered all throughout college. Built myself as an advice giver on getting girls before I ever even had sex--no lie. I was a completely unconfident skinny-armed beta male a few years ago, but I am smart as fuck and weaved a web of lies so strong it started to catch actual girls in it. I don't tell that many lies anymore because I now have actual stories, though.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Dude, epic. Machivellied.
This is the reality of "fake it until you make it,"
The goal isn't to fake it forever, it's to do it and have actual stories afterwards. You use machiavellian tactics for purpose, not for sake of. (Unless naturally manipulative.)
Eitehr way your tale is sick lol.
freew33zy 5y ago
I would agree. Faking it is helpful as then people treat you like you're the real deal. Then, you have an easier field to climb through to actually become the real deal--because the path is paved for you. It increases social status if people think you're dope as fuck, which then allows you to be dope as fuck.
Capitalizing on the false momentum is the tricky part, though--at some point, you do need to become the real deal. Fortunately for me, I did.
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I'm interested in how the "fake social proof" thing works. Do you have examples?
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Fake friend profiles / fake girls that looked cute, had authentic accounts, and were all very possessive over me.
whenever I uploaded new picture, I had my "friends & girls" comment, which lead to real friends & girls comment, which lead to girls DMing ME first, leading to first dates, same day bangs...
that's just the tip of the iceburg... so many other things too, now that i remember.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Did similar shit. To make women jealous. Cheated on purpose. Had one girl call another girl to stop chasing me, and obviously they chased me even more. Subliminar stuff like having girl stuff in my room from another girl. Dark triad tactics are dangerous because they can make you resentful after you realize how stupid, masochistic and idiotic women are. Thats when you go mgtow.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
However that gives some work. You basically have to log in in different accounts to comment back on a photo. But it works. Pre-selection and jealousy.
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LOLMUFFINLOL 5y ago
Dats a lota work for some pussy. Why not just pick up some hoe at a bar
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Dressing up nice, taking shower, going out into car, gas, buy booze, meet girl(s) who may or may not be interested in me, oh yeah, and ACTUALLY having to socialize
Versus...
1 hour per girl / guy profile, never even get up from my bed, comment on my new picture with fake profiles, real girls notice and those GIRLS open ME in DMs to hang out.
you tell me whats more work bro lol
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Is there anything in that area that could be used by a guy with no social media?
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
of course, i started using true dark triad methods when i was younger, 13ish. there's plenty a man can do, i was just giving you an idea.
PeterPansSyndrome 5y ago
This is the type of social engineering shit I love to read about.
Reminds me of the post from bodybuilding.com where a dude had a bunch of fake female profiles adding him on facebook. Commenting, liking, and engaging on his profile and this shit brought in scaling results from real girls.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
That body building thread is what inspired me
freew33zy 5y ago
You don't want to be dark triad or a psychopath. Some people are and some people are not--you do not control whether or not you are. Personally, I am. It has definitely impacted me positively in ways as I have a pretty hot LTR who I am in a one-way open relationship with, and I do get laid pretty consistently even outside of my relationship. I also take on the role of leader in a group quite easily.
On the other side, I do suffer a lot from feelings of social isolation and depression. My extreme narcissism can throw me into bouts of feeling like I'm not good enough because I fail to live up to my extremely high standards for myself. I also can get extremely violent if prodded while drunk, to the point that I sent one of my friends to the hospital because he started a fight with me and I did not and could not let up after I'd won. You do not want these traits.
But yes, if you're dark triad, some things will go better for you. Some things also will not. I'm not sure if I would choose to be this way if I had a choice, but I do not--and neither do you.
lsarcreator 5y ago
You couldn’t have stated my experiences of this world any better