Here is what I wrote about the movie elsewhere:

Recently I finally came around to watching the Red Pill Documentary, and to see what all the controversy was about, i.e. I watched a bunch of YT videos and read articles about the flick and around its creation process and release. And I have to say that it was pretty informative all in all.

To those who don't know the film at all or haven't really paid attention to it, a really short recap: it is not about The Red Pill as we use the term, but about a documentary about the Men's Right Movement (made by (now ex-)feminist Cassie Jaye) that got stuck financially during filming (basically once it became clear that film didn't attempt to discredit the MRM, but to give it a sympathetic portrayal) but finally got through due to crowdfunding via kickstarter; and which had a hard time getting screened due to its allegedly controversial content which "provoked" a lot of protests and debate.

So what about the content? Well, for people who regularly hang out in the manosphere, the content of the film is hardly about things one isn't already aware of (well, there was one thing that I wasn't aware of, more on that later) - it was basically about the stuff that's discussed here, at TRP, at Men's Rights-related fora etc. But what was really interesting in my eyes were both the reception (and the disproportionate outrage over it) and her introspective commentaries she made afterwards about how the process had affected her.

Here are my takeaways from the film:

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The one thing I had been unaware of: The androcidal campaigns of Boko Haram, which were commented on in the movie. As most people here will know, BH really got widespread media coverage and therefore public attention in the west after they had abducted 200ish girls into sex slavery/forced marriage (the whole phony "bring back our girls"-campaign from politics, culture and the media). What I wasn't really aware of (and I think this goes for most people) was that BH had slaughtered thousands of males before while always sparing the females, yet this wasn't worth any outrage or just some indignation, but merely got shrugged off in a few headlines - basically, the complete "disposable male"-dynamic in full swing.

I don't know whether I would go as far as Karen Straughan who speculated that BH did the whole "abduct women"-thing as a means to catch the attention of the western nations who obviously were pretty much indifferent towards the mass killings of men, but I certainly consider it interesting that if you kill thousands of dudes but abduct and enslave a minuscule percentage of that in girls, you're misogyny is the crime that's considered far worse and more notable than the other.

But what really caught me flat-footed was how it really rubbed it in to what extent one is still subjected to a severely lopsided coverage by progressive media and a biased elite even if one actively tries to be critical. I for my part certainly have lost my youthfully innocent belief in the neutrality of the media quite some time ago, yet simply because of the fact that I didn't actively look into the dynamics of domestic conflicts in Nigeria, my perception of BH was that of a group of rapist terrorists enslaving girls, and not one of a group of murderous terrorists who followed perverted chivalrous ideals ("kill the men, let the women go") - simply because the former was the image that was broadcasted so loudly and consistently in our media that it managed to reach me despite not actively looking into it, while the former didn't.

The hypocrisy of the elites who only start the virtue signalling-machine when women are affected didn't come as a surprise, but the whole thing really showed how much sway over our perception of the world is still held by those who control our "attention economy" simply because they're the ones dishing out the headlines. The contrast was especially striking when compared to 20 years ago during the wars in the Balkans (Europeans born before '85 might know what I am talking about), where the coverage was a lot more balanced, at least when it came to matters of gender - while it was clear that Serbian armies did rape and enslave women in the areas they ravaged, it was made equally clear that their crimes against men were by no means less severe - the whole mass castrations stuff, or the summarily killing of all Bosnian boys and men in Srebrenica while the UN was looking the other way and so on.

There were other moments in the movie that were eye openers, like the repeated displays of blatant lack of self-awareness of feminists (like for example that Big Red-bitch extremely rudely insulting the guy ("shut up fuck face!") she was not-really-debating with, while one can only imagine how feminists would have reacted had the guy paid her back in kind - or just let his composure slip for a moment to get back into her face as well) - but the BH scene was the one that really drove it home. Kinda shines a whole new light on the whole "women are the primary victims of war"-narrative and how this agenda isn't as harmless as hardcore liberals would want one to believe.

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Another interesting thing is about how the whole filming and editing experience affected Cassie Jaye and lead to some introspection on her part. In the film, she starts with a depiction of her own journey - how she initially wanted to become an actress but was alienated from the industry due to typecasting and sexual harrassment (ultimately deciding to become a director, thus making her own films) and became a full-fledged feminist in the process, and describes how the feminist mindset influenced her perception - in fact, it was her feminism that drove her to shoot the movie in the first place, she freely admitted that her initial motive was to cover the MRM because of her expectation that "the enemy" would be like feminist propaganda had depicted him as (i.e. this would have been more fodder for the "and this is why we need feminism"-industry).

In the film, she interviews a lot of MRAs, pretty much only asking questions and letting the guys speak for themselves, and in one of her YT-videos uploaded after the filming she described her thought processes - how initially she interpreted practically everything they said literally in the least charitable way possible, regardless of how reasonable or well-sourced it was (for example, when an MRA said "there are thousands of women's shelters, yet only one shelter for men, despite domestic violence being roughly similar" what she heard was "let's shut down the women's shelters")

• when she couldn't hold this position any longer, she reframed their statements regarding the plight of men as being ultimately about women (for example, when an MRA said "men die XY years earlier than women", she interpreted that as "the actual problem is that women are alone at old age") - basically what can be described as "Trickle-Down Equality and Framing Men’s Issues as Really Being About Women".
• and only after a lot of watching the footage over and over again (part of the transcription process), where she had the luxury to actually listen to these guys instead of discarding it as MRA propaganda like she had done after her first hearing, she finally came around to actually giving these guys the benefit of the doubt and take their statements at face value. Needless to say, this made her question her prior perception of MRAs exclusive motivation being that they're out to get back at women.

What was also interesting is when she described (in another YT-video among others) how that work impacted her relationship with her boyfriend - how before the filming, she saw the world exclusively through a feminist lens and ran around "with a constant chip on her shoulder" because she thought that everyone was out to get her (because she's a woman and all that), and how this also blinded her to her privileges; for example that she held it against him that she worked and did the housework while he "only" worked, but ignored that he had 12 hour days of physical and uncomfortable labor while she had a comfortable job she enjoyed doing.

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Considering starting my own classical black and white movie channel on Zenither.

Captain Kidd anyone ?

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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain\_kidd/

To all the people crapping on this - just over halfway through, she hit on something worth considering - that capitalists deliberately funded the feminist movement because it makes us the enemy, rather than the capitalists. That's how it became so huge.

This is a pretty depressing watch.

Hi folks, I am sure many of you are aware of The Red Pill documentary which controversially was blacklisted from several festivals last year.

What!? You mean the auto erotica of Cassie Jay’s foray into stupid was blacklisted as a marketing ploy from those places where such mental masturbation is usually applauded?! However will we sleep at night? MustwatchnoAw!!!

If you’d not had a chance to watch it now you can.

First rule of product design is to ask what need your product is fulfilling. Literally no one here asked for this. In fact, most of us pointedly declared after the bits and pieces we saw that the “documentary” was an ill-researched piece of self promoting horseshit.

Zenither is...

Another useless “get tv on your computer” delivery system. Exactly what the plebeian masses need to distract from their pedestrian jobs and growing sense of melancholy: more bread and circuses.

We asked for The Red Pill documentary as part of our licensing agreement because we were aware of the censorship controversy and felt we’d like to be able to make the film more accessible since we had the opportunity to license films from their catalog. thought we might be able to tap into that sweet sweet marketing ploy of cashing in on its naughty “blacklisted” tittilation.

Fixed that for you.

I very rarely weigh in on things posted to this forum that I feel disagree with its basic orientation, as I am not a moderator or endorsed contributor, but this documentary served no purpose when it was released, serves no purpose now, and serves no purpose here.

Michael fucking Moore makes better documentaries than Cassie Jay. At least he has talent as a filmmaker for all his inability to do basic research. Cassie Jay is simply untalented, unskilled, and unworthy of my or any other man’s time.

The Red Pill is about taking ownership of your problems. Although valid issues and concerns are addressed in this film, bitching and whining will not change anything.

The Blue Pill is something so strong in society it will never go away. We cannot ever change that.

Swallowing the Red Pill isn’t about trying to change the Blue Pill worldview in our favor. Swallowing the Red Pill is about understanding that the odds our against us and we have to take “extreme ownership” (Jocko Willinks Quote) over our lives.

No fucking shit the system is against us, are we going to sit and protest and cry about it or are we going to become the best men we can be for ourselves. The choice yours.

This film is not Red Pill. MRAs should spend more time improving themselves rather than whining. That would have a better affect on society itself and lead and example for more men to positive change their lives instead of just seeing the world in a grim state where men lack power.

I don't like the Men's Right movement because it's born from victimization. I as a men, don't need any right, having rights implies subservience, that somebody somewhere, allows me to have those rights, and somebody can take them from me. I don't need fucking nobody to give me rights. I take them.

Well I would if we were in 1500. Nowdays there are police and they have guns etc. but this is how I feel.

Well, now you can watch this abortion for free.

Cassie Jay can go fuck herself. This movie was ALWAYS about her, and she played the MRM like the easy fiddle they always are for "anti-feminist feminists".

https://therationalmale.com/2016/12/19/the-awareness/

Everytime someone tries to rob some notoriety from this place, its some attention whoring woman or some guy wanting victimhood status. Wheres the sexual strategy?

Blah. Who wants to watch grown men cry on camera and hear the cataloged story of a self-interested woman who somehow makes mens' issues about herself?

Bold marketing strategy attempting to 'altruistically' associate yourselves with us quarantined degenerates. Bold indeed.

TLDR for the documentary: "Zomg, men have issues too! Who knew? Gosh darn it!"

This falls under the Men's Rights tag. Just because this glass of whisky isn't strong enough for your tastes, doesn't mean it can't get other men to appreciate whisky. I have little time for Red Pill aware men mocking those who need something a little less in their face to swallow the pill. Our goal is making men, the starting point is irrelevant and the pace of embracing truth is irrelevant. Truth is still truth.

The film is not Red Pill, it is men's rights and as such touches upon a number of truths that are part of the basis for TRP. If you truly understood why we're not very impressed (at best) with the MRM, you'd know it wasn't down to whether they were right in the stats that they cite or the problems they highlight. Bear this in mind when you engage on the topic.

/u/Charlemagneffxiv Do you support subtitles?