I study Business and Economics at a Bulgarian university and wanted to share with you what happened during our class in Economic theory history. Our lector was explaining about how women were treated in Ancient Greece. Naturally some girls in the class got slighly vocal about these ideas, almost as if the lector himself was implying that they were true today.
Seeing this backlash he put on a smile and said- "Im sorry, but there isnt a job in this world that women do better than men. The best designers, chefs and artists are all men". There was silence, no one argued, all of us knew he was right.
Since the SJW and feminist propaganda is present but fairly weak in Bulgaria and I assume most Eastern European countries, not one of the women there felt entitled to bring up some absurd argument to defend herself. He then went on further to explain that, loosely translated - "The human, that is the man". I heard a lot of silent insults towards him from women all around me, but nobody confronted him. They were offended, but they didnt felt enraged simply because the Western propaganda hasnt got to them yet.
At that time I felt great about the place I was born and he gained my full respect. Had this had happened in the USA, he would have been fired the next day I assume. The interesting thing is that Bulgaria ranks fairly high in the Gender Equality index, placing 18th out of 144 countries, yet there are no raging feminists anywhere, no divorce rape and according to a report for 2016 I read, women were fine with lesser pay than men, because they felt they didnt do as good as men in the same field. I have been interested in the reason why bulgarian women are much more down to earth than western ones and I may write a post about some of the historical factors that contributed to this.
mattizie 5y ago
Seems like eastern Europe is the place to be. You already did your hard time under communism and learnt your lesson.
Also, just a heads up from a guy that wasted his uni experience... Now is the best time to network, form partnerships and get work experience. Get to know the industry, and the people in it so you can get your foot in the door, or start your own fund/company with the best students in your class.
X-Trem0 5y ago
Bulgaria you say? How do I get a job there? lol
NikGrd 5y ago
its pretty easy, we have a 5% unemployment rate, so if you want one you get one, IT is pretty hot right now, as well as economics. Waiters can make up to 200 lev per 12 hours as well lol
Hugh_Munghous 5y ago
Hey man, some of the best strippers are women.
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ChainsawDrone 5y ago
Isn't it wierd how even all the "feminine" fields like hair, makeup, fashion design, interior design, cooking are all dominated by (gay) men?
ikeurbantraut 5y ago
Gathering g Karma so I can posts
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Not exactly sure if you’re still on topic bro.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Agreed. How exactly has reading this helped me?
Am I supposed to wave my foam finger and cheer for "Team Red?"
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Turn away from the blackboard, look at girls...
SEE BITCHES?!!? TOLD YOU!!
tempolaca 5y ago
This is not because we men are just better. This is because there are more natural variation. This is an important mathematical concept that people forget and assume than men are simply better at everything. We are not. The worst designers, chefs and artists are also men.
NikolaGeorgiev 5y ago
That's because we in Eastern Europe (BG guy also) have suffered what the leftists are trying to do to the Western world:
compelled speech, censorship, thought policing, etc.
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suaressi 5y ago
i knew you had to be from eastern europe when you said lector
BurnoutRS 5y ago
I think a large part of the issue stems from the model of reality that is presented to these people in their childhood.
My mentality as a child was that people are inherently good and loving, everyone is equal and we all need to help each other and get along. My expectation was that as long as I was a goodhearted person and treated others well, I would get everything I wanted. Which, just now has reminded me of the rampant narcissism. It seems thats a leg of the perpetual child issue is that kids are taught to be "good" when good mostly means "not annoying and easy to keep in control of", compounded with the removal of personal agency so that the person goes from one caregiver (their parents) to another (their government)
To exist means that your mind is constantly building a working model of reality. dont believe me? thats why its possible to startle people, or why you're able to recognize immediately when you come home and theres been a burglary. If your model is predicated on "the nice guy wins" and you spend years building your life around that, when someone comes along and challenges your worldview, especially if they do it well, theres a really interesting internal conflict that arises.
Having someone poke a hole in the model of reality that youve based your entire life on, essentially means that everything you think you know is wrong. Its fucking paralyzing for a person. To the point where most people enact a denial mechanism and simply choose to ignore the evidence, double down on their belief system.
Having your worldview challenged like that is a major threat to your survival. So I think a lot of people are getting the wrong message about what the real world is. When reality comes knocking at the doors of logic, emotion slams them the fuck shut.
God, slavery is a wonderful example too. Many people remained slaves because they were never introduced to the idea that they were as capable as their masters. We can see similar psychology occuring in The Holocaust, The Soviet Union....
I wish they had told me at birth that I was a man, so I could have spent my formative years learning how to be a good one and preparing myself for life.
Jake_le_Dog 5y ago
Another good general example to breaking the jail of the mind, would be of those men who were once very successful at one thing, but for some reason lost everything. Yet within years they regained their wealth/power.
Besides having learned much of what is needed to become successful, they also already owned the mindset of it. They act as if they already have the resources, or never lost them, even if they momentarily don't. It becomes temporary, because they believe it is.
VickVaseline 5y ago
How were women treated in Ancient Greece?
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_be_happy_ 5y ago
I can confirm, same thing here in Poland. It feels like it should just be. It's not 80s, but there is not too much gender fake equality bullshit, and no one is offended all the time.
LuckyRedPill 5y ago
Got back from vacation in Warsaw recently. All I can say is OOH GOD!!!!
Only if the girls knew english better...
RonieGarret 5y ago
Thing is girls from the east are very attracted to guys from west world. At least +2/3 points just for beeing from "high status" country.
Dunno if they preceive them a top 5% or just looking for rich beta bux.
v0v4n 5y ago
Mostly beta bux. As Uncle Vasya pointed out, there is no hypergamy like Slavic hypergamy. It's wild, EE girls know that foreigners are weak and they're gonna exploit that. It's better to not even bother unless you have a decent game.
uebermacht 5y ago
The 21 Convention in Europe will be in Warsaw next year by the way! :)
_be_happy_ 5y ago
I know the pain, had same problems in Germany :(
BTW. Who goes for vacations to Warsaw? ????????
LuckyRedPill 5y ago
part of a euro trip, spent time in poland, germany and sweden :) poland is so cheap and warsaw is a fairly nice city
destraht 5y ago
My problem with Warsaw is that it seems to largely be rebuilt in the image of the car whereas many other European cities are older and built more for pedestrians. I feel like I can walk for 20 minutes in Warsaw and not make any progress on getting to my destination. That is unacceptable for a European city as far as I'm concerned.
zeuD13 5y ago
Warsaw was entirely destroyed by the Germans during the events of the Warsaw Uprising during WW2, thus it's the most recently built capital in Europe.
destraht 5y ago
Yeah and its why it really sucks to me like most of California and cities that were largely built up in the last 75 years. The older parts always have more charm and people want to go there and hang out. New stuff is largely crap and I don't have a solution to that really.
_be_happy_ 5y ago
You are excused hahahah
For others: it is not as cheap as Ukraine portrayed in movie "EuroTrip", still ok though :P
_be_happy_ 5y ago
Plus, Eastern European women are one of the most beautiful ones. The matches I get here vs Germany is HB8 vs HB4(and entitled).
I like the saying "You can fall in love 5 times when going for a bus", it sums up this country and women nicely.
ImshortandIhateit 5y ago
Pfff man, as someone who is greek and also lives in greece; I gotta say, I've seen a hot girl only once in my life.
SirKolbath 5y ago
I was less than impressed with the women when I was in Greece. I think I only saw a couple I’d rank higher than HB6.
CoupDeGrace22 5y ago
Δεν ξέρω που μένεις εσύ, but I grew up in Athens and on any given day I was out and about at least half the women I walked past were attractive.
Weekend nights out on any subway car there's boatloads of hot chicks.
NikGrd 5y ago
I have heard similar things, but I go nuts for long dark hair and dark eyes and you have those in abundance, so im slightly jealous neighbour.
ImshortandIhateit 5y ago
I'm the typical greek with dark brown hair(normal brown if shoulder-length) and brown eyes and I've gotta tell you, I am nothing special. At least not here. Remember, don't be jealous, appreciate what you have and breath game.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Interestingly, the only Bulgarian chick I know (met during my student's year abroad) I initially thought she was Greek due to her appearance (dark hair & eyes, olive complexion, hellenic profile). She was also pretty hot.
NikGrd 5y ago
Compeltely agree, I live right were all of the students are and I see model tier beauty everywhere.
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NikGrd 5y ago
Its a matter of taste I suppose
uebermacht 5y ago
Germany is a piece of shit country indeed.
alienus 5y ago
Still better than the Netherlands.
HeadingRed 5y ago
Dunno - I was in Eindhoven a couple of years ago and it seemed full of damn hot women - tall, leggy and fit.
alienus 5y ago
Yeah, probably Polish immigrants/workers.
mutters under breath in native racist dialect grarahj rfgeh gragarg buitenlanders!
BadBoyProgrammer 5y ago
Dutch girls CAN be very attractive.
(plattelandsmeisjes)
alienus 5y ago
That is true, but I think the Frisian girls are the best looking in our small country.
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revente 5y ago
If he was full red pill he would not give a flying fuck about being right and just avoided a potential drama with nothing to gain and lots to lose.
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best friend is bulgarian, can confirm redpilled to fuck
BirchPriest 5y ago
To borrow from Bill Burr, had this happened in the USA, the country would have ground to a halt. There would have been a national moment of silence. He would be jailed.
destraht 5y ago
Don't get ahead of yourself. That is in about 10 years.
letsbiohackslaves 5y ago
Kakvo stava bratle! Eastern eu always was naturally red pilled.
NikGrd 5y ago
Да ти кажа не съм много съгласен, мoмчетата и мъжете в България сa на доста ниско ниво, повечето са си blue pill, пропиват се, надебеляват стигнат ли 30. Просто имаме по-традиционен подход и схващане за мъжественост от западняците.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
It's only a matter of time. The usual argument is "the patriarchy is holding us back!", because all problems with lack of female performance in these days of equality must be blamed on men.
The narrative is that to disagree with equality would be somehow sexist, but it's ok to blame men, that's different because reasons.
I doubt it would have taken until the next day.
I doubt that. Divorce profits women everywhere. Always has, always will. Or is there no alimony payout and she only gets what she's earned in the settlement? I doubt it.
It's only a matter of time.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Really?
Did you know that men used to get the kids by default?
And there are plenty of women who get screwed over by family "court". Men just get shafted more often, and more egregiously.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Really?
Did you know that men used to get the kids by default?
And there are plenty of women who get screwed over by family "court". Men just get shafted more often, and more egregiously.
pohlrich 5y ago
when? expand on history thanks.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Until the Custody of Infants act of 1839, custody defaulted to the father. I assume that is because of the "Mommy's baby, Daddy's maybe" biology of mammals, and a lot of other perhaps well-meant sexism.
More facts and potentially credible sources are available by using "Search Engines":
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=divorce+child+custody+history&t=h_&ia=web
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C9&q=child+custody+1800s&btnG=
https://dadsdivorce.com/articles/history-child-custody-laws-america/
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_issues_for_consumers/custody_momdad/
redhawkes 2 5y ago
She only gets what she's earned in the settlement.
I know it sounds like a sci-fi but this is how it works here in EE. Some average child support and boot in the ass. No such a thing as a divorce rape at least for now.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Getting a settlement isn't earning it.... and it still sounds rough. If that settlement is significant, it's a divorce rape.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Let me put it simple.
She doesn't get a shit. Maybe a sofa/table/tv (depends on the agreement) or some other insignificant object that both of the parties invested in, but no real estate.
Here, the real estate is given from father to son, so by the law, that estate can't be sold if it's been given as a gift while the giver is still alive, or if is in men's possession.
She can only get things that you both invested in while you were married, divided equally. She doesn't get anything you've earned by yourself.
nattlife 5y ago
What does that mean, actually?
Omnibrad 5y ago
Well it's not spelled huwoman.
redpect 5y ago
In the Bible, men represent the builder and the order, Women the posibility (potential) and the chaos.
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There isnt highly advanced matriarchical societies for a reason.
alienus 5y ago
Maybe the word "mankind" was what OP was looking for? I am also a bit piqued as to how this might be translated more properly, or what it means exactly.
NikGrd 5y ago
Yeah I may have not done my best to translate it. He basically said that Humankind is MANkind, because men have built this world, not women.
alienus 5y ago
In English, 'man' originally referred to men and women both. It is a misconception or modern interpretation that it only refers to male members of our species.
In Dutch this is still the case, e.g. "Men is nooit te oud om te leren" (one is never too old to learn). Where "man" is our word for the English word "man" and "mannen" is its plural.
__REDemption__ 5y ago
Certainly do. Anytime there's a little less crazy in the world it's good to try and understand why ????
OhNoBearIsDriving 5y ago
I can't wait till biological men have the ability to get pregnant and give birth, taking the only thing exclusive to women (and brag about how the best birth givers are also men! )
gELSK 5y ago
// , Interesting thought experiment, but actual pregnancy is pretty inconvenient.
LoveYourNeighbor3848 5y ago
Being pregnant fucking sucks. Aim for test tube fetuses instead if that's your thing
suaressi 5y ago
was the movie Junior a prophecy?
Marty30001 5y ago
Здрасти брат! It's interesting to see that even though Eastern Europe isn't as bad as the West when it comes to this, there are still people who come here to find the masculine way of life. It's like a hybrid between tradition and modern shit, and it definitely isn't easy to live in such a confused setting. Not to mention the good old degradation where it's modern to act like a villager/sheepherder for attention - men in Bulgaria are attention whores. Some women try to take it one step further by joining them and together they make an obnoxious front that expands day by day and just swallows everything.
NikGrd 5y ago
Здравей! You are completely correct, the quality of men is declining rather fast in here. I had the chance to speak with many males, who are millenials and younger and I saw a distinct lack of masculinity in almost all of them. Honestly I blame the government for removing the obligatory military service, boys came out of the kazarma as men back in the days.
bondbandito 5y ago
Which EE country are you from? For me I've been in Russia and I think gender roles are healthy there.
Marty30001 5y ago
Bulgaria. I'm in the capital, so that's why I see western traits so much. The more to the east you go(except the Black Sea beach), or in a random inhabited village, the more traditional lifestyle you'll see here.
I've heard that Russia is still staying strong against the cancer that spreads over Europe, which is one of many reasons to want to study there soon.
Adeus_Ayrton 5y ago
Well, he was wrong. There is one.
Giving birth. ^^^If ^^^that ^^^counts ^^^as ^^^a ^^^job
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FluffDevotee 5y ago
Good to know not all the world is lost, just the other day one of my (female) teachers was explaining how bad feminism is to modern society and values. The whole class pretty much agreed, even the women.
Idontsharemytacos 5y ago
Would you kindly share more about this story?
tempolaca 5y ago
Feminists are a very small group, but they tend to focus on proganda and dominate social networks. This scares business that then agree with them out of fear. Problem is this also scares government that makes laws for them, forgetting they are very few.
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ImTooCozy 5y ago
I disagree that men are better at every job...A woman makes the best mother.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Indeed. As for other stuff, a lot of it is a matter of normal distributions, rather than "men can do this, women can do that".
Sounds like the professor was just ticked off.
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gELSK 5y ago
// , Spoken like someone who has tested this thoroughly
LeonBarosanul 5y ago
I am extremely happy to hear this. I am your neighbour, from Romania, and I can confirm that here as well the propaganda is present but fairly weak. feminism is unfortunately crawling in more and more though, but i can still have some rational discussions with the ladies here, and a lot seem to be phlegmatic about the western feminist hysteria, if not against it. I'm guessing that it has something to do with the more traditional values that people hold.
There is a lot of scepticism for the "morals" of the west, a culture that is still held in high esteem in Romania (we were looking up to it during communist times), because people are more specifically sceptic about being open to mass immigration, mass promovation of equal rights and so on. But, people generally tend to not agree with the egalitarian propaganda promovated in the west, but still a lot of the younger generation seem to embrace feminism/equalism/all the shitty -isms present, without questioning them. And it seems very sad to me, as 40+ years of "equality" (read: communism/socialism) really retarded the people in here, and I am sure in the other former eastern bloc as well.
Can you elaborate please as to the general social climate regarding this, that you are perceiving in Bulgaria? I am feeling that the it might be very similar in our countries, but i do not want to draw conclusions without asking first. Blagodariia!
warlordchad 5y ago
Wow not here in the US... women here are in full on rage over the Kavanaugh thing. What’s funny is it’s proven every single red pill principle correct. When you point out that it’s damn difficult to adjudicate something that happened 30 years ago, or the fact that society has never been safer i.e. less crime, etc., or that misandry is wrong in principle, women here freak the fuck out and go full on emo rage—like absolutely incapable of being rational or logical... And yet when they go to the club or are out and about, they’re still drawn to the alpha—everything they say, in principle, they hate.
TryDoingSomethingNew 5y ago
In the USA things get WAY out of control over perceived grievances - often they're not even real!
I'm exhausted by it.
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ITS_A_MINDSET 5y ago
I'd like to add just to flesh out the point. The worst and lowest IQ performers in a field will also be men. The variance of the species resides in men, we have the XY chromosome versus XX. We are the more brilliant and the more inept. Women are simply more average and will be underrepresented at both extremes.
So actually, I do think women can be better at certain roles on average. They will never be the outstanding superstars. However, they are more interested in people and as such can be better health care workers and teachers on average. Of course, the best in those fields will be men.
mattizie 5y ago
I recently learnt that women are actually better long distance swimmers. That caught me by surprise.
JonathanMekerset 5y ago
Well I wish it was like that at my college. Unfortunately I’m in Southern California.
IKezax 5y ago
I experienced the opposite in my University. My female prof said in the first lecture that we are going to do math and that we only have a few girls in class. But the she said, that this in no problem because girls are all better in math then guys. Haha if a male prof would have said that about girls, he would get in trouble with all the feminist students. Double standards.
xddm2653 5y ago
Actually, women get paid the same as men for the same individual jobs. The wage gap only exists because women don't take on higher paying jobs like CEOs. There's nothing legally stopping women from making more than men
Jordan Peterson explains this well
NikolaGeorgiev 5y ago
Not exactly true. Younger women get paid more than younger men. ;)
EdmondDaunts 5y ago
Not just Peterson. Even the BBC researched wages in its organisation and found no gender bias when accounting for experience and popularity. They did it 3 times and found the same thing.
Yet they still paid that female journalist more money because she complained and started a movement.
xddm2653 5y ago
Peterson explains the why of it; how men's status depends on success, and the average man will not succeed without high status. But the average woman doesn't need to bother, in fact career driven women tend to do worse when it comes to mating
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kombajndosalatek 5y ago
Did entire class start clapping?
suaressi 5y ago
something something Albert Einstein
Calleca 5y ago
That's not true at all.
Traditional female professions are traditionally female because women are better at them.
Women make better nurses, teachers, social workers, secretaries, childcare providers, etc.
tempolaca 5y ago
Women make notably better cashiers. I actively avoid men in the supermarket queue, they are way slower. Also there's a reason electronics are mainly assembled by (chinese) women. They have more dexterity.
Olipyr 5y ago
I'm a nurse, and I'll disagree with that. It may have been true when the nursing profession was solely women, but it's not anymore. Men have made the profession into a professional one.
shash1 5y ago
Oh we got a few raging feminists but they are literally a handful. I can actually name them(I won't).
dragdj 5y ago
Hey neighbour! Same thing here in Serbia, and that is one of the few reasons why I like it living here. Even women will openly tell you similar things your professor told. I can only imagine how that was in past, my grandma dislikes our PM( Ana Brnabic) and claims that she cant lead the country because she is woman lol
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Avertus 5y ago
I think the Iron Curtain has returned except the sides have switched
gELSK 5y ago
// , This is just hyperbole.
They may have more people aware of the reality of how men and women interact.
But that doesn't make them any less of an enemy to basic human rights. Do you like being able to publish criticisms of your government? Then stay behind the "reverse iron curtain" you mentioned.
The West may have some serious problems with the new ideas of "thoughtcrime", but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater here. Aside from the Feminism stuff, we've still got it better in many ways than the people in Russia or Romania.
destraht 5y ago
When I was younger I asked my father why the Beetles made a song about how great the USSR people have it (probably my favorite Beetles song) He replied that it was largely just a song to take the piss out of them for having it so bad. Then of course I found out in person how deeply impressed the Beetles must have been by the talent over there. I realized that my dad was just full of shit due to the heavy propaganda he was steeped in during his formative years. It made it easy to hit him up later with Russia, Russia, Russia later on.
exit_sandman 5y ago
In a way. Right-wing governments in Eastern Europe might not value political freedom that highly (still a far cry from actual authoritarian regimes, though, regardless of what the Western press says), but at the very least they don't sell out their peoples to progressive ideologies and everything that entails.
r6fiddler 5y ago
Oh trust me, the current long-time Bulgarian prime minister and those around him would sell their mother to Brussels for a couple thousand euros. National interests are completely disregarded politically. It's just that our society itself is not so naive as to fully embrace said progressive ideologies. An example - Angela Merkel says "Bulgaria has to accept refugees and keep it's borders open" and our PM is like "Yes, madam. Whatever you say madam". Luckily we're almost as poor as the refugees, so no one wants to stay here.
2comment 5y ago
Progressive Ideology only serves at the behest of Globalism/Multinational Corps who are interested in cheap labor, moving capital freely, and restricting the free market when they can as long as it benefits them (ie more regulations that the big guys can afford to navigate but the small guys cannot).
Of course, every country has it's own levers, and in democracies, that comes down to the vote. Leftists buy votes, mostly through immigration and welfare policies. Rightists mostly rubberstamp their own supporting corps, especially via the Military Industrial complex. There is a lot of overlap since the media, whittled down to 6 controlling conglomerates down from over 60 in the 80s, pretty much steers what is appropriate discourse and who are the appropriate choices -- these corps are often players in other fields.
I'm not particularly familiar with EE politics, but Putin always struck me as someone running an old fashioned oligarchy and siphoning away wealth for personal gain.
IOW, between a rock and a hard place with only the knowledge that the immediate decades will only get worse on both sides.
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faustian_talos92 5y ago
Respect for Bulgaria in this subject.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
The reason why the chicks here are more feminine and down to earth is the socialistic/communist past.
They were engaged in traditional roles and hardships. Also the reason why older women are more masculine than young guys.
Today everything is westernized. The liberals took over and everything gone to shit. I my country especially, it’s like you literally see a reflection of the west and you can predict what’s going to happen in the near future.
Long gone are the days when Bulgarian chicks gave pussy for chewing gum lmao.
Applying TRP is like having cheat codes for life.
Avertus 5y ago
You slav guys can always start another Cold War with the western SJWs
redhawkes 2 5y ago
It's better to just send you the migrants. Killing two flies with one punch.
NikGrd 5y ago
I was thinking exactly the same about our communist past. I also think that the decline in masculinity is also due to the removing of the obligatory military service (kazarma).
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Точно. Затоа денешните генерации вклучувајќи ја и мојата се blue pill до даска.
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Morphs_ 5y ago
It's mostly the absurd levels of political correctness and the harsh judgment by a court jury of the slightest violation of it, that makes the US situation to terrible. This is the sole reason that women make all those false rape allegations for example.