While fun to read, the Shit Test Megathread comes off as a bit of a circle jerk. The truth is that no matter how clever or creative his response, a man will still fail shit tests if he hasn't internalized an Alpha mindset. It does Red Pill newbies a great disservice to impart the impression that they can pass shit tests by parroting a script.
When it comes to passing shit tests, too much emphasis is placed on the words themselves, i.e. what is communicated overtly. As men, we tend to prioritize the content of a message, so this is not surprising. But the delivery - how you say it - is far more important, because women are highly attuned to covert communication. Your body language, tone of voice, and microexpressions will betray even the most clever wordsmith.
Sometimes a girl will "get me" with a particularly clever jab to which I have no retort. Sometimes I respond with dumb shit. Literally the first thing one of my current plates said to me when we met in person (after chatting on Tinder) was that I was "smaller than [she] expected."
My response? "Well, this is what I got."
Sounds weak and stupid. And yes, I later joked about how I should have responded that I'm "bigger in other areas." Nevertheless, I passed because my body language communicated no fucks given. I knew internally that I was going to smash her, and sure enough I was balls deep within the hour.
In the past, my memorized (albeit inauthentic) idgaf responses were no match for internal Beta attitudes. When one of the hottest girls I've ever gone out with started giving me LMR as we made out on her couch, I backed away as quickly and nonchalantly as possible.
Her response: "you look disappointed." I'll never forget the triumphant look on her face - that self-satisfied "aha dumb Beta, I caught you" expression. I retorted with "No, I'm a good Catholic schoolboy, remember" but it didn't do squat. I was defeated by internal anxiety.
Again, the words themselves aren't particularly important. A guy with an internalized Alpha mindset will pass shit tests...period. A Beta could say the same exact thing and still bomb the shit test.
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Juggernaut_is_here 5y ago
this should be given gold...those passing shit tests threads are like those old "cocky and funny" circlejerks
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
The shittest megathread is good for beginners because it gets you in the habit of thinking outside the box when presented with what appear to be unwinnable questions or tests.
When you exercise that ability it starts to come naturally.
Nothing wrong with practice.
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TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Beta attitude is destroyed by abundance mentality. Abundance cant be faked. Women are whores and want a man that fucks all the women, its that obvious today. Im happy i cheated in all my girlfriends. Thats exactly what they wanted me to do. Dont listen to what they say look at what they do. I repeat, women want you to fuck other women in front of them. They absolutely love that shit, they can even get addicted. Women are selfdestructive hybristophiliacs. The faster you realize this and experience this. The faster you will go mgtow.
Trenned_out 5y ago
It's funny because even alot of fairly red pilled guys would disagree with this. But I will never not fuck other women on the side EVER again. However my motivation to do so will be governed by my main girl's behavior. The better she is the less likely I would be to do so.
I had a one sided open LTR for a few years. And there was other stretches where I didnt' even consider fucking other women. Becasue my main girl was treating me so welll. however then when she was neglectful.... I was smashing 1-3 tinder hoes a week.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Then they will fuck other guys.
This is oneitis. You should not tolerate this from yourself. You were warned. Governed by your "main" girlfriend, what kind of cuckery is that? Governed? The only thing that governs me, is my balls, not a woman.
Women dont respect that. You either eat or you get eaten. You dominate or you get dominated. Choose one.
Thats when you are deep in the plantation and she got you hooked, very dangerous place to be in.
You say that one more time and ima smack you in the face.
Ahhhh, thats my nigga.
Trenned_out 5y ago
I think either I chose the wrong words or you're misunderstanding.
I worded it oddly with the double negative but I'm saying I will always smash other women on the side.
And what I mean by governed wasn't her controlling me. I meant that I genuinely had less desire to bang side chicks when the main one was adequately fufilling my needs. The side chicks were a built in help to the main relationship actually. Because when she wasn't behaving, my attention withdrew and I didn't become needy.
But your comment about the "deep in the plantation got me hooked" is still true despite what I say is your incorrect interpetation of the situation. I was fighting "the feelz" the best I could but did definitely slip up at points. However I had a one sided open relationship that lasted a good amount of time, and for the most of it had a very well behaved woman who knew I fucked other women.
It was a learning experience but I'm fairly proud of that haha.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Besides my previous comment i should only add that you as a man you are polygamous sexually. A woman is hypergamous. She never for one second changes her modus operandi by commiting to you, she is doing exactly what are natural agenda tells her to do, that is find a well built man, and get him hooked. That doesnt mean her agenda wont change in 9 months. And in 9 months her hypergamy kicks in again, and by the time you become a shell of your former self, and you can be eaten alive. Besides that her hypergamy never shuts down, while you are commiting to her pussy like a bitch, her radar is still on. Which means at any moment a better dude appears and you are replaced and you are left grabing your own winner and saying she is bitch, when you were the one who made your own faith. LTRs is basically you giving her your beta self, she gains with it, and in the end she will end up fucking other dudes with no effort. Only an insane man would commit long term knowing these peculiarities of female nature. Or he can also gamble and play the russian roulette and see how long he lasts.
LTRs with the knowledge of female nature is for absolute cucks in modern times, nothing will change my mind on that. But you do you.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Dude this is an oxymoron, fight the feelz? Better just let it flow if you gonna commit. Because then you gonna look like an insecure incongruent loser who doesnt know what he is doing. Do you think she doesnt notice you are fighting the feelz? Thats already a win for her. You think you can win a battle without army. The more time you commit to a woman the weaker you will be, plain and simple. You are no longer a challenge. What, you gonna do dreadgame? You serious? She can bang one dude in 15 minutes, after you been 6 months kissing her pussy like a bitch, how about that? You think you can win that game? The only way to win is not play. LTRs are ok until you got what you wanted, say you did all you wanted with her, you learn then you move on right, easy, life is simple? Doesnt work that way, guys get hooked bro. Women were designed to get you hooked. After you commit 2 months with a girl she has her foot in the door. If she goes bang another dude she will have an impact on you, and dont give me your autistic shit, "oh i next her", no you dont, you gonna be thinking, fuck i dedicated 2 months to this hoe what an idiot i am. Yeahh. After all is said and done, and you know what ltrs are all about you have two options:
Pump and dump.
Or use STRs with some leverage to gain necessary intimacy, but dump them on the first fight or red flag, and if no redflags and no fights you also dump her after a predetermined ammount of time. Get what you want and dump.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Thats the law of your brother here. With no remorse and no hate. Thats what i do. If she is a unicorn i bang other women, if she is a hoe i bang other women. There is no way to miss there.
TheLastMgtow 5y ago
Exactly. Oxytocin lowers T levels. Dude... This is basic TRP.
I cant bro. I must withdraw from this arguments and let you win. Because i cant even begin to explain why the whole thing of LTRs are selfsabotage because they are LTRs, LONG, and being long most guys dont even notice what is happening or what happened and get burned, most guys even at the end of the relationship blame themselves, and of course they only have themselves to blame because they commited. LTRs are difficult to analyze because they are long term, and i would need to write a book to you to explain why they are bad for you, and even then you probably not get it. You need to go and experience.
Everyone will tend to defend LTRs because they work like a drug. Its comfortable, its easy, its addictive, and it changes you. They dont seem to understand that the feelz good of the LTR is actually what can turn a man into a slave and destroy is former glory. And of that im fully against. Its preferable to end alone, die alone, than become a beta and not achieve anything, and on top of that live under some weird bargain with a woman, that at the same time she can walk out on you and bang 10 other guys in one week. So thats it. I cant convince you of my point, and ill always lose this debate. Because its like trying to prove that the universe is finite, the scale is too big. You go and experiment, until then yeah ltrs are great for you, just like being lazy playing video games feelz good, but on the long run you gonna become a loser. Just like getting drunk everyday and going to clubs its fun, and you gonna say, ive been drinking for 2 years everyday and im healthy, and then point at those losers at the gym and say, fuck look at those losers, they dont even socialize, always on their purpose, they dont go out at night and drink, losers, yet on the long run they are healthier, stronger and faster.
LTRs = You will become a lesser man the longer you commit.
Spinning plates = You stay free, sharp, and you will eventually cuck the ltr dude.
It is what is. I didnt make these rules bro.
standardmissile 5y ago
The easiest way to pass a shit test is to laugh.
Plates shit test all the time. A favourite is telling me about other guys they’ve got after them, mocking me for my lack of effort, calling me an asshole etc I’ve reached the point where these comments elicit a genuinely amused laugh, because they’re acting like naughty kids. I put no credence in their opinion of me as I’m comfortable in my opinion of myself. Add some agree and amplify (he sounds like a great catch!) and a general disposition of amused mastery and you can turn shit tests into an opportunity to gently tease them for their absurdity. Which they love.
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Done right, shit tests are a chance to have fun with a woman, an interaction that you’ll both enjoy.
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The core point of OP's post remains: it's only possible to have this approach if you have outcome independence, through internalising TRP and self improvement.
AreOut 5y ago
"I'm "bigger in other areas." ... I was balls deep within the hour."
I just want to point out that technically contradicts each other :)
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
It's like learning to ride a bike. Training wheels facilitate movement at the start, but whenyou see that you can balance on two wheels by yourself you can stop relying on the training wheels.
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newName543456 5y ago
If you're scrambling to come up with whatever super witty retort, you already failed the test (even if you actually come up with one).
Trenned_out 5y ago
This is very important. I've had friends who make comments that I either say "asshole things" or just "dumb shit" and somehow girls eat it up. Well it's all about how it's said. If you say an "asshole thing"with loose relaxed body language and a smile.... Well she's gonna eat that up vs if you have a nervous tone of voice and tense body language.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
tl;dr Be Outcome Independent.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
redhawkes says Be Outcome Independent, as opposed to Talk Outcome Independent.
Identity vs behavior.
nzjbruh 5y ago
This comment downplays the content of this post.
oytrp 5y ago
It is the OP minus the anecdotes.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
No, just a summary. Learn reading comprehension.
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nzjbruh 5y ago
Don't get defensive, no one's challenging you.
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MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
About your example on how you backed away when she gave you LMR. I find that i often read advice on how the correct response is to actually back away and seem like you don't care, like you did. But it seems like in your example you think this was a bad choice right? So, what you are saying is that it's all about the mindset, and if you don't have an alpha mindset it doesn't matter what you do? Can you elaborate?
After reading about how to do Push/pull, i had this tinder-date over for wine and movies. After a while of cuddling i went in for the kiss, and she kinda pulled away and smiled/teased. This put me off a bit, and i think you can easily get awkward in that moment, i sure have before. But, I decided, from what i've read, that "i'm the prize" and i just said "okay fine" and smiled, and then i just sat back and watched the movie. I was amazed at her response. She was glancing over at me constantly, and after a while she herself wanted to kiss me. I switched the role and pulled away when she tried and teased her. She went crazy for me after this, and when i finally let her kiss me we fucked within 30 mins. It was a bit of an eye-opener to me, in how a "careless" attitude can win her over.
yammyha 5y ago
well played. Don't you just love that feeling of being in control when she constantly glances and trying to gauge a reaction from your frame but you just dont give a f*ck . feelsgood.jpg
warlordchad 5y ago
The last two women I slept with both did something like this...
The first said, "you're just pissed cause you know you're not getting laid tonight," to which I replied, "I never assumed we were going to have sex" and shrugged. Within 30 minutes we were naked in the shower.
The second just kept saying, "we're not having sex"--when I asked if she wanted to check out my new place, when we got in the car, when we walked up the stairs, when we had a drink, when we got in bed... and then after she kept pulling LMR, I finally said, "OK, I have to get up early so I'm going to sleep." Five minutes later she's grinding against my leg and two minutes after that I'm inside her.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
The point is that my anxiety and nervousness gave me away, as it was plastered all over my face. Hence her comment "you look disappointed." I probably did, in fact, look disappointed because I believed in that moment that I had royally fucked up. In that particular case I had already made a bunch of Beta moves and failed a slew of prior shit tests, so that was just the final nail in the coffin. This encounter took place after I discovered some basic seduction principles but before I had discovered TRP.
One problem I've noticed around here (and life in general) is that everyone wants the step-by-step manual. They want answers and they want them NOW. Forget esoteric theories about becoming Alpha and internalizing Frame...what do I say and do to get her into bed as fast as possible?
As HL Mencken said, for every complex problem there is a simple solution, and it is wrong.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
90% of communication is nonverbal, and women are particularly tuned into nonverbal communication. I can be walking down the street with my woman, and she will spot stuff probably 30 seconds before I would because she sees the body language subtleties.
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MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
"The door is over there. Take it or leave it."
Or the nuclear option:
"You're not as pretty as I expected".
The point of this particular shit test is that she's [literally] belittling you. The purpose is to put you on the back foot and imply she's higher value than you, hence moving the relationship more into her court, ie you have to pay in various ways.
The internalised mindset that OP is talking about is that you are higher value than her and thus don't give a fuck about her opinion.
King_Neptune07 5y ago
How about "You're fatter than I expected"
rewoomantle 5y ago
Turn the tables on her:
“So you have been thinking about me? A lot?”
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SirKolbath 5y ago
My response in a similar situation:
“Where’s the rest of you?”
“I left it in the car. It scares people.”
Also ZFG. However, I think it’s necessary to point out that if you are under 5’10” and you don’t have at least three quick comebacks prepared for a size/height shit test that you can deliver in a bored tone of voice that conveys a total lack of concern about anyone’s opinion of your size, you’re going to face a never ending series of shit tests exactly like that one. Women are going to bore into that like a termite into a softwood.
I had two things in my favor that day. I got stuck at work and showed up twenty minutes late for our date without any apology. I texted her as a courtesy to let her know I was running late, but I walked in and simply said, “Hi. I’m Kol. Let’s get a booth.” The second was my absolute lack of caring about my height that has been there pretty much since I graduated from high school a half foot shorter than anyone else.
This was the Tindersloot I’ve mentioned who was blowing me in the car some two hours later outside that very restaurant. I didn’t give a fuck about her time or her opinion and it showed. She started trying to qualify herself to me almost immediately.
Trenned_out 5y ago
This doesn't just apply to height but any "flaw"
For example, I'm 6'3 250 pounds and lean. The Redpill forum members would laugh at me having any phsyical SMV issues. however I have a receeding hairline.
I'm so tall that at this point no women have ever noticed (somehow I still get compliments on my hair at a bad NW3), but I already have a comeback prepared for when my hair passes the tipping point.
"I'm a 6'3 lawyer.... If I had great hair it just wouldnt be fair"
douchey? sure. but that doesnt matter to women.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
Just shave it off if it gets too bad.
Trenned_out 5y ago
This is what I'll eventually have to do. However I would like to put it off as long as possible and get a hair transplant around 30 if I made it there with anything left to salvage.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Conversely I've found that women enjoy witty comebacks (especially A&A) and just keep right on fucking testing until you end it with "that's enough" or "stop that" or "shut up now" or just look at her blankly.
SirKolbath 5y ago
Also true. I ran into that exactly once and said, “I am bored with this game. Find another one.”
10211799107 5y ago
Confirmed. Sometimes they keep at it like an autistic ice cream toaster never shutting off. As if THEY lack the proper social skills to know when to stop, like a beta creep not getting the signal to leave.
Had this girl on a date once do this autistic shit. I literally said "you always been on the spectrum for autism" to which she was shocked, then i nuked her with "you must have had 0 friends in school with that inability to know when banter is over and youre just being unpleasant". Got up and left. She stared at her drink as if someone told her her puppy just died of rectal cancer.
rationalthought314 5y ago
Beta autistic creeps don't have people supporting their lack of social skills while women generally do. They think their behavior is acceptable because most people i.e. horny guys put up with it and even put her on a pedestal.
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Psychological_Radish 5y ago
You make a great point here (love the anecdote as well, LOL).
IMO there's too much emphasis on this sub on getting The Great Vagina into bed at all costs. If a girl shit tests to the point of being rude and unpleasant...which isn't uncommon...the proper response is to shut her down or just get up and leave.
Abundance means you don't have to entertain some dumb broad who never learned how to act like a lady.
10211799107 5y ago
For a lot of guys who haven't had pussy in months or years i can understand why they do it. We emphasize working on yourself coz the pussy will come easier. They just need to experience it.
Theres a great post on the main site about focussing on having fun during dates and not the big ending of fucking. It's my view during dates as well. Sometimes I use an overt phrase like "I do quick dates to see if the girl is pleasant and fun" in reaponse to them asking why I chose this or that meet location. A qualification. If I'm not having fun I make sure to end the date quick but in a good way.
Mr_KenSpeckle 5y ago
Sometimes the perfect line will come to you in the moment. But if not, I find that "You're funny", said with a bored dismissiveness, has nearly universal applicability. Of course, you can't use that same line over and over again with the same girl.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 5y ago
Well said. It's good for newbies to read these posts covering basic shit tests and responses to them, but often times they become a circlejerk of "how clever can I be." Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in the real world, you want to reply to a shit test with AMUSED MASTERY. You know what she's doing, and you think it's so cute, don't you? She's so cute, trying to get under your skin like that. You know she doesn't stand a chance; the verbal response you give becomes merely a formality. Holding a frame of amused mastery is life changing. Become proud of yourself, work to become better than everyone else. The trivial shit won't matter anymore.
dragdj 5y ago
This is entirely true. I was always wondering why the same things I said to one girl doesn’t work on another. It is because of that I had different mindset. I was always acting alpha with girls who I don’t really like and just want to smash. But on the other side when I really like a girl I transfered to beta. Hardest part of TRP for me was to learn to act the same and be myself with every girl
Edit: be myself, not himself lol
ethbytes 5y ago
" Hardest part of TRP for me was to learn to act the same and be himself with every girl "
Yes, it is difficult, the Matrix is deep... (nearly 30 years of attempted programming for me, it leaves scars on the psyche...)
An old saying:
Young bull to old Bull "Let's race down there and get one of those cows"
Old Bull to young Bull: "No, we shall stroll down there and have them all..." << No shits given/confidence moral? :)
menace64 5y ago
This is my first introduction to the concept of a Shit Test - what if I'm just not interested in engaging in that sort of game? I tend to shut down around or avoid the sorts of people who engage in quibbling dominance-sorting banter... maybe that's why I've spent the last four years alone.
TrueFacets 5y ago
Hey, I know what you mean, I was like you I didn't really want to play a "power game". I wanted to work "with" the girl, like being a team. Treating her like being equal, like on the same level lets say. Like I treat a very close friend.
You need to know that women don't work like that. Their evolutionary programming is to constantly test the fitness of her mate. If the man does not engage in the "power play" and always does what she wants, we call this "catering to her every wish and desire", then she will almost certainly become an obnoxious, insufferable bitch.
If the man wins the quibbling dominance-sorting banter, then she will be the nice girl you always wanted. (both will be the happiest) Also know that to win is to sometimes not engage and completely ignore what she is saying. A lot they say is kinda nonsensical stuff which they say to somewhat "sort" their emotions. (Hint: they mostly end up at conclusions which don't make any sense at all) It is then your job to kinda guide her emotional state into a direction you want. Sometimes they need some attention sometimes they need to be ignored. If they behave arrogant and entitled, ignore them or talk to other women so you take them down a notch. If they're over worried about random stuff which happened during the they, listen a bit and give some emotional support.
The hard part is to do it automatically and calm without any hate, anger or resentment. They just are like that. If you are physically somewhat fit, and somewhat competent in a profession, meaning you have some resources (money) to be able to "do things" in the world, you're fine. Just play with the women, don't take them too seriously, and do in your life what you wanna do. (the higher your SMV the less shit tests you will get)
When you want an LTR or even a successful marriage you need to this you entire life. Once you get used to it, it's not exhausting anymore, sometimes it's quite fun and entertaining.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Every woman shit tests, get used to it.
ZephyrBluu 5y ago
There should be no dominance-sorting banter. You are the dominant one who sets the frame. If you can't be bothered with her stupid comment then you show her that with your body language and words (Optional). Most of the time if you give people (Girls in particular) the cold shoulder they wonder what they've done wrong and get nervous which works in your favour.
menace64 5y ago
My body language is to die inside. I like to presume the thickness of my own skin but, really, I’ve been abused and traumatized so thoroughly that everything gets through. I hear all the shit-testing (even before being aware of the term) and all of it hurts.
ZephyrBluu 5y ago
I'm sorry to hear that man :/. I don't really know what to suggest other than slowly build yourself up. Rome wasn't built in a day, it takes time to develop an IDGAF attitude. Hopefully you can overcome the trauma you've sustained and come out the other side a better man :)
warlordchad 5y ago
If you don't want to engage in games and quibbling and bullshit you probably shouldn't worry about getting laid. Women do this shit without even thinking about because they're instinctually driven to do so.
Consider the "I have a boyfriend" shit test. If a woman REALLY didn't want to talk to you, a more direct thing to say would be, "hey pal, no offense, but I'm not interested." But women don't communicate directly--they engage almost exclusively in power talk--and there's another reason she doesn't: women are narcissistically addicted to male attention. So even if she actually DOES have a boyfriend, her internal programming doesn't want to tell a man not to be interested in her. Thus, she says, "I have a boyfriend" implying that if she didn't, the position would be open so you should go ahead a pine after her.
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Trenned_out 5y ago
EXACTLY. if you don't want to play games then you should just fuck dudes. Lol because with women that shit is ALWAYS in the subtext of a conversation. If you don't believe it is that is just because you aren't aware of what's actually going on.
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Trenned_out 5y ago
exactly. Agree and amplify is my personal favorite here. Because you don't come off as aggressive or confrontational no matter what. Better odds than any of the other typical red pill responses.
of course depends on your personality. But I pull the agree and amplify off with a very high success rate.
menace64 5y ago
I'll do some digging on my own into that subject, but do you have any preferred links available? I intuit that this might be the answer to one of my deeper mental issues and I'd be delighted to put this demon to rest.
virusofthemind 5y ago
The "Demon" is: where attraction is concerned, men and women have some areas where their criteria diverge by a wide margin.
A man's shit test is basically; are they hot? They either are or they're not. The decision takes place in the guy's brain without any interaction from the woman.
If Burkas were required legal attire in bars/clubs, our "shit tests" would be convincing a woman through conversation to let us see their face.
A woman's shit test is an autopilot response to elicit your social value and dominance to assess your SMV. Hence she will say something out of the blue to trigger an emotional response in you. How you react to this is what she's looking for. If it triggers faggotry/defensiveness/anger etc that means you've disqualified yourself as a potential sexual partner.
If on the other hand you're as cool and unperturbed as a zen monk then she knows you consider yourself as higher value than herself.
Women sleep with men they consider as having higher value than themselves.
Just knowing that shit tests exist and being able to recognise them gets you 80% of the way there. Having good autopilot replies to them gets you the next 10% as they're like "Katas" in the martial arts where you internalise the "moves" till they become automatic allowing you to think on your feet.
The final step is to internalise them so much you become alpha and exist in a state of flow with an iron frame.
This is mastery.
yammyha 5y ago
I remember in one of my college classes when I was grouped into a group of 3 consisting of 2 girls. I randomly asked "why do women give shit tests". They gave me this confused look and said it was downright fun, girl #2 then said let's hang out sometime lol. evil...
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