I read a lot of field reports on the sub dedicated to the analysis of interactions, and whether or not said person succeeded in securing the close. Don't get me wrong I have no issue with these posts as they give the sub an a way to troubleshoot their own game, hopefully leading to the desired outcome in future interactions. However what I'm concerned with today is the fact that so many of us are always concerned with how to get the F-close during a date/cold approach.
Ill provide a personal example. I'm in the military, so the nature of my job keeps my life frequently turbulent to say the least. So for the last year or so I've been working on myself, a miniature monk mode if you will. But yesterday I was invited to a going away for a coworker, and as I'm trying to work on my social skills I figured it was a good opportunity as any. Before my group set out to the party I ran into a girl who I recognize from around my area. I chatted her up for a few minutes and told her that I'd possibly hit her up later depending on how the party went. Fast forward about an hour into the party and I get a text asking how much longer I was going to be there. I ignored it, and continued enjoying my wine and company. When I got home a few hours later I got another text asking me to come to the local hangout spot and enjoy some more drinks, and I obliged. In my head I had I begun to see that the conversation I had earlier with her stuck, and that she wanted more than she was letting on. Everyone was lying in hammocks so i took the opportunity to joke around, initiate some keno, and escalate.After lurking for so long I finally got the opportunity to apply some basic TRP principles. All in all I didn't stay for more than an hour tops.
I left without saying many goodbyes to anyone and once I got back to my room my phone blew up.
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"Don't go to sleep yet"
10 minutes later, "I knew it you fell asleep"
I replied, "why do you want me awake so bad?" I wanted her to give the confirmation and to show effort when communicating with me about what she really wanted
"Because I'm down and want you to come over"
"But I'm not sure if you are" (the hamster clearly spinning)
I gave it some thought and sent, "Yeah, I'm tired and don't really want to deal with this right now, text me tomorrow or something"
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It's been radio silence after that but I'm not phased by it. See, the point of the interaction wasn't to secure the close. It wasn't even really to get another plate as she was about an HB5 and not really my type. The point of the entire interaction was to set a marker for how far I've come along in the last few months. I needed to see if what I had been focusing on the last few months had actually been important, and if I was actually improving relevant qualities about myself. Honestly, I'm not really in the mood to sleep with anyone currently as I'm trying to avoid the shitstorm that is the current state of affairs in the sexual marketplace. But the point of the interaction was to prove that by implementing techniques taught in TRP, as well as striving to constantly improve yourself you can actually change you outlook for the better. It's all about not having a strong connection with the outcome, and having the understanding that one can drop plates without dire consequence. It comes down to a simple quote,
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"they were so concerned on whether or not if they could, not whether or not that they should"
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Sometimes there doesn't always need to be an end goal. Just a goal.
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
Ah man you lost me as you revealed that she's a 5. That changes everything.. Sure you're outcome independent when it's about banging a chick of your bottom range.
SquaatsForDays 5y ago
Well I mean, she’s a 5 in my view. But could be a 9 in someone else’s. The point still stands as anyone whose desperate enough will do whatever, or take whatever they can.
OneRedSock 5y ago
A lot of people will say that life is like business, but the reality is that business is like life.
The ability to walk away from anything allows for the most power. As soon as you cannot walk away, you have no power. This technique is frequently used in business; but that's because it mirrors regular social interactions that occur millions of times on a daily basis with no pretense of economic value.
Everyone has a bit of a tyrant in themselves; they want to be king of all their interactions. They want to take a little bit more each time. They will always, always, ALWAYS take what they can get. Even the nicest little person; because whether it's overtly known or subconscious, it is constantly happening.
A small example: I keep my phone off at work so I can focus on tasks; but then a girl will shit test me -- you should keep your phone on for me to call you. I say no, they say "what if there's an emergency". She is trying to create a fear, and then the solution; but what's really happening is she is trying to create a requirement for how I interact with her. It's a small power play, but just like lifting 5lbs more each time you go to the gym, these little things build and build and build. And soon you have no control.
Bottom line: once you have the power to walk away from pussy, you will be able to attain more of the right kind of pussy while keeping your sanity and life in control.
NikolaGeorgiev 5y ago
tl;dr: A 5 wanted to fuck, desided to go to sleep, because she's not high value enough.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Virtue needs to be tested with inconvenience. Decline an hb7+ then come back.
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
One thing a lot of guys around here (especially younger ones) need to realize is:
1) You're not going to get laid on the first date/interaction 9 times out of 10 and it isn't a failure if you don't.
2) If a girl does give it up that easily she's done it many times before and is damaged goods that you don't want around anyway.
3) The easiest way to get a girl to want you is to not want her.
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__ZAZA__ 5y ago
It's been quarantined, so is available to be viewed only from desktop. You can refer people to trp.red though.
d3nominata 5y ago
I can see it on mobile on the reddit is fun app once I accept the quarantine message in browser
SimilarHamster 5y ago
I've had similar issues I definitely think the speed on the red pill site has been throttled.
nhlfod21 5y ago
Just click outside that pop up and it will let you in.
gELSK 5y ago
// , Reddit's started restricting access to this type of content.
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furoshus 5y ago
Once I did that it became available through the app once again also.
SensualSeduction01 5y ago
Did u or did u not want to bang her?
ledbymorpheus 5y ago
This is one of the most pretentious, hamstering posts I’ve seen on this sub all year
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indigenoushorizons 5y ago
fuckk that was nasty bro ahahah
Cha_Cha_cho 5y ago
Do you want a pat on the back for being so alpha? OUFF, here’s your internet points.
ledbymorpheus 5y ago
Legit was so butthurt that you went through my history to attack me
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__ZAZA__ 5y ago
Gread read!
One question though:
What are you talking about? Am missing something?
nebder 5y ago
*#metoo has given plenty of men the perfect opportunity to sidestep addressing their shortcomings because every gal you fuck is now “a ticking timebomb of false rape charges” according to their excuses and rationalizations. Its just sour grapes like many of the self proclaimed mgtow losers.
It’s actually quite brilliant from the female imperative’s perspective. Millions of losers that the FI wanted out of the short term SMP have effectively self selected themselves out of the SMP thanks to the pound-metoo campaign. Its been a highly effective strategy for the FI. You beat it by not playing the game. High value men are exponentially less likely to get metoo’d or false allegations that do not serve a broader agenda.
You can see the effects of the pound-metoo campaign on the beta losers crying and commenting on fb. I have female relatives that post the standard validation seeking memes and “where are all the good men blah blah” bs, their beta orbiters come out in full force with the crying & bellyaching.
Beat the pound-metoo game by becoming a man of value that the gals want to be pounded by.
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Thrownawayforalldays 5y ago
He is quite possibly referring to the recent bio-hazard outbreak of rape allegations and the due process stripping of males who are on the receiving end of such. As tempting as a close might be, in the current climate it is SO important to not "stick your dick in crazy". And you have to weigh the possibility that even though these instances maybe few and far between, they are more prevalent and one night of consent and no more contact could end in being falsely accused.
PMmepicsofyourtits 5y ago
*#metoo isn't something a lot of people want to mess with. I cant blame the guy for taking some self time.
redbarone 5y ago
This invalidates your entire post. If she was a 6 you would have fucked her, a 7 you would have fucked her and arranged another date, an 8, you would have fucked up your interaction and failed a shit test and fucked your hand.
Celicni 5y ago
Hm, I think almost everyone on this sub operates on a different "scale" than me. An HB5 for me would be your average girl, and that's just it, average. Cute enough to fuck cause we are men. Not fat, average body average face. Basically most of the girls out there in the world. But others seem to act like "oh dude you fucked an HB5, how long have you not fucked before that?"... A 6 would be above average, 7 a head turner, 8 the "entire club is looking at her", 9's would be the hottest movie stars/models and 10's are the hottest movie stars/models that fit your niche.
Not op btw.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Average in America is obese aka unacceptable. The right side of the curve is slowly dissapearing via old age, death, and becoming fat.
Celicni 5y ago
I'm not in America, is the thing.
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Tripletag 5y ago
I wholeheartedly agree with your point, OP. Sounds like you learned to detach yourself from pussy, showed by the fact that you didn't drop everything you were doing to go secure that lay when it presented itself to you on a silver platter. You didn't seem all that interested in the first place, so not pursuing also shows that your standards have shifted for the better!
Sometimes I think it's better to have no poon at all, rather than poon you settled for.
Ananonguy88 5y ago
Yup. I refused to have sex with my oneitis ater she took me on a date because I felt she was already in control and started treating me shitty after a while. The tables turned on instant, she can't understand what happened to this day and I never felt the need to sleep or waste my time on her anymore. I took all the validation from our encounter and left her with 0.
Saying "no" to your current oneitis on her open proposal is RP batism.
youngzari 5y ago
This is interesting, I feel like I'm in the same boat. Have you already have sex with her? What do you mean by you felt she was already in control? Treated you shitty how?
Asking cause I'm in a similar situation and would like to know how you turned the tables...
Ananonguy88 5y ago
Yes we fucked before few times but then she started flaking, talking shit behind my back and disrespecting me. I cut contact so she was like "let's put it all behind, now I want you again!". She initiated the contact, the date and openly proposed a fuck. I met her but refused to sleep at her place. I was the gatekeeper this time and it felt damn good.
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EntropyForeverx 5y ago
absolutely true. A woman once had a sheer meltdown the moment I told her that she would be sleeping in her own bed that night. She wanted to come over to cook dinner. I told her that's fine but you have to go home in the evening. She flipped and asked if there was something wrong with her. She never had that kind of response before (she was 31, definitely a 9 in her twenties, now around a 7.5).
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Pussy is the only contribution that most women can make. It's an asset that quickly loses its value and therefore a bad investment. The moment you show that it can't control your life, you control theirs. That woman was trying to secure her investment (i.e. my commitment) by quickly offering her pussy. The moment I refused she panicked: she can only offer her pussy and usually that's all what men want. The moment you refuse, her worldview breaks.
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EntropyForeverx 5y ago
I agree. Don't explain anything.
VolatileEnemy 5y ago
Yes more men should be willing to reject and stop going for low quality.
Question: what was the original reason you sent her home?
EntropyForeverx 5y ago
She was coming on too heavy. Talking about children and how she liked the look of my face. I dumped her after that.
VolatileEnemy 5y ago
hahaha
It's so pathetic when you hear a girl start complimenting your physical appearance or something. It's like hearing a dork talk about his action figure.
dr_warlock 5y ago
I dont care about compliments. I care about her letting me escalate. Actions > praise.
starky-kun 5y ago
Very well said doctor, although compliments are a good sign I'd say.
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Brilliant post. Once you're indifferent to the F-close you're truly free from the power women hold in the sexual marketplace and, ironically, you'll be more successful in achieving it
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
We call it outcome independence, and it's critical to success in ANY kind of negotiation.
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ZombiNawhal 5y ago
Yeah this is one of the things I really need to work on. Keep getting caught up with this one girl. Gorgeous, but kinda dim (intelligence is important to me)
Definitely does give indicators of interest... but only when i'm there, won't really respond to my texts. Time to move the fuck along eh chaps?
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Yep I have one the same. She won't stop touching me in person, but have I ever got a single reply to any contact? Maybe once. Delete her number IMO.
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