Introduction:
This post is going to talk about rape, I must start by mentioning that NO case of non-consensual sex is justified. Whether it is "Against her will" or "Without her consent".
Be a man, be an attractive man, get her turned on in a public place and take her for private business when you guys are heated up. Then you might get as kinky as you want. As simple as that.
Don't fuck the insane, don't fuck the half sleeping drunk, be a man.
My work involves emotions management and law enforcement. I am not your divine voice on the matter but I will bring the most useful knowledge I can.
Summary:
An average young 21yo woman ends up being fucked while drunk sleeping. She wakes up during the act and endures the rest of it. She explains the event as an ONS to her friends and deny it to herself. A year later she meets the guy again, "automatically " gets flirty and hook up with him. She justify that act by wanting to 'take the control' over her trauma.
By the way... While she slept with the guy, she had a boyfriend. And she kept the boyfriend for years later. But it's fine, she has her "reasons".
No need to spit at all the hamstering going on in this article, let's see beyond that. From her logic we can learn some good insight into the attraction dynamic, and dominance.
Whole article :
https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a15957811/cheated-with-my-rapist/
Analysis :
Let's clarify the basics first.
- What's wrong with cheating, Why can't you share ?
TRP helped us realise that we will never find a significant other that will be fully reliable, that will love us unconditionally, and that attraction cannot be sworn or signed on a contract. Bad news, that's the only thing we wanted from life. Good news, we didn't deserve it anyway.
After being raped by life on such a false promise, we dry our tears and decide to take back control. We all raise up as one great army of Chads ready to fuck life back by being in our best shape, on our best ambition. By being in control. This logic reminds me of that 21 years old girl...hm.
You are in control when you are at top of the hypergamous scale, you become high-value. Believing that you are high-value is not enough, you need to prove it. Else you are just a pretentious shit.
One way to prove your value is to score and secure the loyalty of a highly-wanted woman. To be her first choice. That's the basic of attraction: the desire to prove yourself who you are.
Once you have reached a woman's desire to get your commitment (The "talk") you can bail out and reach for a higher value woman - if you have higher ambitions -, or accept and enter the pro-level LTR game. It depends on your self-esteem, your fears, your needs and and your strategy.
This entire dynamic is reduced to ashes by cheating. The cheater is reduced to being a liar who can't hold his word (Worthless loyalty). The cheated is pushed down the SMV ladder as he could not secure someone's loyalty.
You can't hamster your way out of justifying cheating, I've tried. You always end up lower than where you started.
- Now to the point : How can "Broken goods" be a threat ?
Rape, excessive domination without consent, and alpha-widowing will emotionally break most vulnerable women. It is much harder for a man to understand the consequences than we'd like to admit. The emotions range between humiliation, guilt, isolation, satisfaction pleasure and addiction. The elder TRP members might know this, but the younger ones won't really understand how guilty a woman will resent herself for feeling pleasure against her will. It is even more confusing for young women who don't understand their sexuality yet, who think they are 'angels' as their dad reminds them every day.
A woman will mechanically get wet, and might orgasm from being dominated by someone against her will. This is basic animal mating dynamic, mother nature doesn't care of your preference. It is so stupidly simple that I resent my country's government for not explaining that to kids. You can't ask a woman to fight off the assaulter, because once in a real and threatening situation, most women instinct is to play dead, endure the violence or appease the threat.
Don't take this lightly, this is how your beloved daughter will act if she gets dominated physically. No matter how many self-defence courses you pay her. This is also how your dear mother acted when she dared walking home alone 20 years ago.
From that moment, the woman will be emotionally stretched by different thoughts.
"Am I not pure anymore"
"I failed at what my parents wanted me to be"
"If I did like it, does that mean I am a slut"
"Do I own my body"
"Is it fine to fantasise about getting dominated"
"No man deserve me"
"The man who dominated me proved that he was attracted to me"
"Do any man care about my consent, does it matter"
... The list goes on. These thoughts will stay, and even if they are denied that woman will be less likely to hand over her emotions in a LTR. Instead she will seek comfort, maybe trade it for sex, and try to survive. As in the example article linked above, the boyfriend is just there as a placeholder. His value doesn't stand once she chooses to hook up with the man who truly dominated her. This is why dating "Broken goods" is a red flag, you are inherently a placeholder.
- OMG! Are you saying I should be the rapist instead of the bf ?
You wish I would, dumbass.
No. Anyone that is emotionally broken will use his friends, family to heal ... or deny the wounds. Just don't be the victim's boyfriend.
Victims can heal. The most obvious process is to become RP or RPW, when the victim understand the dynamics of domination and its consequences. Other people will get fixed by trial and error, with introspection. Any technique that brings the victim's consciousness at the same level than his unconscious instincts.
Remember that this healing work has to be done by the victim himself. You can't save the poor damsel in distress to fix her trauma.
Conclusion
Don't hamster yourself into raping. Or into immature fuck-a-drunk. That's failure.
Don't be the comforting 2nd choice boyfriend, thinking you are such an alpha. That's illusion.
Broken goods can be fixed, but not by you. For now you are only making it worse. Go fuck other people and maybe you'll meet her when she is fixed. When that happens, she probably won't like you anyway, so bail out now and forget her.
justathoughtt123 5y ago
>TRP helped us realise that we will never find a significant other that will be fully reliable, that will love us unconditionally, and that attraction cannot be sworn or signed on a contract
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Jesus loves you, man.
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It is sad to read what you wrote as a person who has personally, just like many others, found out that "Jesus loves you" is really the Truth, verifiably so, which media conditions you to have an allergic reaction to.
Jesus truly loves you. What you said is absolutely wrong.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
I understand the whole 2nd degree of religion, and I am sure you mean well. But by "significant other" I many someone made of flesh, that raises my children and empties my testicles.
You need to find a sub where you belong man TRP doesn't really treat humans as a divine creation. And it's whole theory is base on evolution.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
I can assure you that there are many women that are "broken" or "damaged" goods who have never been raped, sexually assaulted or molested.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
Yes, I tried to take the most obvious and easy to understand example. But I do categorise alpha-widow, PTSD, sexual abuse, and general crazies as 'Broken goods'
havelbrandybuck 5y ago
Morals are one of the foundations of being a man, in which all your pillars are built on. Do what's right by yourself and those around you. Cheating is one of the ultimate forms of breaking frame, it does not make you alpha.
reyaan7 5y ago
Nah, Your ability to stand for yourself is a foundation of being a man.
Morality is kind of an ego boost, it's just a social conditioning. Your so-called morality and immorality are all devices to control YOU.
If you believe in Morals then you are operating under social conditioning. What you feel is right may not be actually right. What is right today may be wrong tomorrow.
Even if you are in LTR you should have at least one plate. Don't consider it cheating for Fuck sake.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
Can you feel feel feel ~
The hamster wheel wheel wheel ~
I think you're right about that. There is no point to follow other people's morale without agreeing with it.
However being alone in your ethics is bad. Once you unplug and know that you are free to stand for yourself, you can and you should find other people who agree with you. You're no one's chief if you don't have a crew.
You do your LTR as you wish. But having a side girl without having the balls to tell your main girl is just weak. It lowers you back to a 8yo lying to get two portions of candy instead of one.
If you can submit your LTR into having side pussy to fuck, good for you !
reyaan7 5y ago
Being alone in your ethics isn't bad if you don't afraid to be alone.
Don't give too much info to your girl. And why you think it's weak? because of Morals???
lol, I would lie if I can get two portions of candy instead of one, heck I'd even take your portions If I get a chance.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
You do you, if that's what makes you happy.
When my girl ask me what I'm doing tonight I tell her I'm going to fuck a girl, because that's the truth. If she is unhappy she'll go, I don't have to hide, or go through PR department.
Beyond morals, someone caught lying is nothing else but a looser. My morals would be different if I had a scarce mentality, then I'd do whatever it takes to get a share of the pussy
Sake99 5y ago
Dear OP, your case is not applicable everywhere. It fits in the story you published but Brok Turner's victim hate him and loving her boyfriend who provided her support. Here is an excerpt from her letter,
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I have become a little barnacle always needing to be at someone’s side, to have my boyfriend standing next to me, sleeping beside me, protecting me. It is embarrassing how feeble I feel, how timidly I move through life, always guarded, ready to defend myself, ready to be angry.
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Not trying to be a bluebill but I guess it also depends upon the woman too. Not everyone is a bitch.
max_peenor 5y ago
Why would I want to read the fictional works of an overextended hamster?
_Ulan_ 5y ago
You won't get much love saying this around here : )
I understand you case, but the point of a red flag is to weed out bad options. There will always be some good ones in the mix, yet we don't have enough lifetime to start over so many times.
Sake99 5y ago
No debate on this, you won.
I am new here, I ask you why.
Zoddo 5y ago
If your LTR isn't broken goods, but is then violated by someone how does this alter the manner in which you approach the situation? I'm not in a LTR, but I have a hard time seeing myself abandoning someone because they became broken goods against their will. My gut tells me it would be entirely dependent on their response, and if it ends up being self destructive that any intervention on the man's part would be like putting a band-aid on a severed limb.
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It is difficult, especially if you have feelings for them, doubly so if they try to make it work.
You gotta heal wounds otherwise you'll end up bleeding on people who didn't cut you.
If you think she's healed fine then go for it I guess. But what would she need to do to pass that criteria?
_Ulan_ 5y ago
It depends how much the woman is aware of her own animal nature, how weak she is and how traumatised she gets. My ideal of woman would understand why she may have felt pleasure-or not, she wouldn't feel her value lowered and she wouldn't get traumatised because she could decapitate whoever tries to rape her. But yet I like my woman strong.
In a usual western couple it is different. I would make sure she is in safe hands, she has the support she needs, and I would divert my need for sex to someone else. I don't know how the emotions side of things would turn out, whether I'd loose interest or not. But I would be very clear on the fact that I won't build up frustration because I can't have sex while she take the time to feel better.
This happened to a friend 5 years ago, and their relationship has been shit ever since. I think he should have given her space and let her feel better on her own.
leolanik14 5y ago
There’s a difference between being Don Juan and rapist....
freshoutofgravitas 5y ago
I have a friend that Thinks hes the Prince of Persuasia when hes drunk. Doesnt work.
ECoast_Man 5y ago
Good analysis.
I think this is the strongest, practical takeaway. It is sometimes cheapened to say, 'don't stick your dick in crazy' because, well, who among us hasn't done it for Ms. Perky Tits before?
Broken goods may be able to be fixed, but not by you. If anyone has been with someone who is five-star fucked in the head, you know exactly what is meant.
I'm not interested in playing the roles of partner, babysitter, and therapist, with a potential partner.
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whataccent 5y ago
I like the vibe of common sense and pragmatism overriding our natural impulses, but how often does that work? Let's be honest; for many young men who lack SMV and the means to achieving great finances, drunk chicks and flirty cheats are a big part of getting any. We know not to "tell her how you feel", and that they will not consider an LTR with a dude of low means. Drugs and alcohol are a way of getting past some of the shit-tests, because they can be quite grating. I'm not recommending drinking until you drop, or getting into drugs, seriously don't do it. Some chicks are just into that and will put up less resistance. If they were drug-free, they'd probably realize they could sellout for a passenger's seat to a middle-class lifestyle and not consider being with you. Or, find them when they're young and still believe in "true love". Maybe you can groom her to accommodate your wants with varying results.
In a perfect world, following morals would lead to happiness, but it usually means you're missing out and hamstering a way to not feel like shit about it. In a lawless society, how often do you think men would rape women? They'd probably feel more content with themselves if it was normalized. That will never happen, not withstanding a nuclear bomb fallout to perpetuate societal decline, so I'm just positing. Not that it would stop anyone from twisting my words.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
I don't think TRP aims to make everyone better, just its community. If other people can't help but rape to get sexual satisfaction, I guess their life will suck.
OverUsedAbbreviation 5y ago
That's how my 5 years of blue pilled dating were spent. Trying to fix someone else's broken goods.
Sake99 5y ago
would be good if you share your experience or the red flags you encountered, what happened afterwards?
Zoddo 5y ago
I dated a chick once who had been molested by a family member as well as one of her ex's. At the time I was too fucking stupid to consider them red flags, and viewed myself as some sort of hero who was coming in to save the day smfh We were together for quite some time, and while she did eventually overcome her fear, and became physical with me (freakiest chick to date) it just wasn't worth everything else that came along with it. Severe trust issues, overly emotional, constant break-ups, impulsive, low confidence, needy, suicidal, and if that wasn't enough her dysfunctional family was always adding fuel to the fire.
bookofcookies 5y ago
He realized he became a cuck, found trp and left her.
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MoDuReddit 5y ago
TL;DR: Don't be a sleazebag, don't be a cuck. I like it.
Churningaway 5y ago
So simple, yet brilliant. I was with a girl who had a similar experience in the past. She was definitely damaged. I still loved her and hoped one day she could self heal. But I was going to stick around while she does that
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Imalostman_ 5y ago
This is that good rare post.
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Auvergnat 5y ago
Your morals are so strong that you could not even resist shaming the act of cheating in a post about a completely unrelated topic. You're going to have a tough time ingesting TRP material with that attitude.
Anyway, about the actual contents of your post. Basically useless. Your wrapped it up in that beautiful shiny expression of yours, fooling some along the way, but that doesn't make the content any better.
Your main point is "why rape breaks girls". In summary, you think it's because of the cognitive dissonance between their enjoying it and their self-esteem as a "good girl". It's not a convincing argument. /u/whisper gave you a better hypothesis: that women "break" because hypergamy is horrified of having sex with a man they deemed unworthy. His argument explains "regret rape", wives feeling raped by their husband, or even why women may actually enjoy rape (with a established high value man a la Christian Grey). Your argument doesn't explain any of this, and doesn't even cover the way more usual case of women not enjoying being raped. But in your answer to /u/whisper, you didn't even acknowledge his counter-argument.
Your side point about why you should not date "broken goods" is even worse. Because you're "inherently a placeholder"? Please.. You don't want to stick your dick in crazy or associate with crazy simply because you don't want crazy into your life. Hey I've discovered that my new neighbor has killed 5 people with an ax a decade ago. Should I befriend him? You know.. I don't want to be an "inherent placeholder", that sounds pretty bad...
_Ulan_ 5y ago
The main intent of the post is to explain why "Don't date broken goods" is a valid rule. I have been in this position before, and now I see others putting up with someone's shit every day.
She can be a normal girl, probably attractive, and may not have tatoos or any other red flag. So until she actually mention her history you might believe she isn't broken. You might even be her first guy since she got broken, what great hero you are to save her from that, blablablah.
Because the broken girl is often victimised by the BP boyfriend, he ends up forgiving stupid shit like what the girl did in the article. Or worse, gets into some clumsy open relationship that he never benefits from. Understanding why you shouldn't forgive your slut for disrespecting you, might be obvious for some but is not common knowledge. Unless you don't mind your girl/girls getting better dicks while you're away ? I take it as disrespect and I expect her to wait for my cock.
I had much lower morals when I was running out of pussies juice, none at all to be honest. Now that I can get my biscuit in someone's tea at every teatime, I think it is my natural instinct to improve my quality of life.
It really sounds to me like the same thing, different words. The good girl^tm thinks she won't ever get a creep pounding her, once it has becomes reality she will try to explain it while saving her value on the scale of hypergamy. I've seen mature women just wipe it off saying "Was forced into it, it was an aggression, luckily i'm not harmed" and went on with their life because they know their value. I've seen more immature girls go into 5 years of depression because they couldn't face what happened to her.
If you're handsome, smell good and fucked her good ? Then I guess she won't complain, but it was dumb as fuck to give her the power to put you in jail. TRP is good to wake up the men who didn't believe that was possible, yet I don't think anything will ever change about double standards. If I start singing a cool song at work, my colleagues will whistle along or at least enjoy it. I some creep start singing a dorky RPG soundtrack, we gonna tell him to shut up and get HR to remind him to respect the workspace order. Don't rape my ear you little shit.
Regarding buyer's remorse, there has to be some proof that she was a buyer in the first place. That is why I explained to /u/whisper my point of view on proving that 'she wants sex', rather than bitch-choking her for a night and waiting for the guilt time-bomb to explode.
I see many comments on TRP about how "she wanted it", "the bitch enjoyed it" and then she claimed it was rape. I see how disgusting it is for the man accused but for fuck sake, it's basic Logic 101 to protect your life from that shit. Get your wife to write you how she wants your cock, do some amateur porn, whatever but don't give her the power to put you in jail.
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As someone who recently tangled with someone like this, great article.
Oof, that hits close to home.
JohnGalt316 5y ago
don't date single moms and don't date raped women
it isn't rocket science
p.s. don't touch fattys
RPLawyer 5y ago
That is probably to most intelligent article about rape I've ever read that actually attempts to address the issue honestly without bias, level 99 triggering, putting women on a pedestal or blaming all white men.
Yet, anyone in the mainstream reading that will claim it's misogyny.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
Indeed. It feels much more authentic than most bullshit we read usually.
However her reaction would have been very different if the guy wasn't attractive enough to hook up with him. Or if she was publicly exposed as raped. In these two cases, it's the end of the world for everyone involved.
bakamoney 5y ago
I mean its bullshit that now men have to take note and be careful of exactly how drunk a woman might be.
It implies that women can't drink responsibly and shouldn't be allowed to.
Which is a misogynistic statement in itself lmao.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
Every time we get more civilised, we go on step away from nature.
The firsts laws for the legal age of consent was a similar situation : where society decided that beyond this age, the boy or girl would regret his acts or be easily manipulated. Nowadays we are discovering that beyond this dose, the girl isn't to be used.
The girl has a vagina, it's a value that cannot be substituted or ignored - whether she admits it or not. If I walk around with a bar of gold, I will think twice about drinking five shots of whiskey right ?
The feminists can be helpful to push some changes : Women should actively voice out something that traumatised them, because why not ? They could also be given more resources at teenage, getting to know what a Chad is capable of doing rather than discovering by themselves.
If you look at the animal world, no female is as vulnerable and unable as the average human woman. Rooting out this fashion could be beneficial to everyone, because only weak men are happy to LTR the flimsy girls.
On the other hand, the whole "blame the white men" and "Men shouldn't be so manly" or "Men shouldn't touch wasted girls" narrative is a waste of time, it won't ever change.
llama_moth 5y ago
Thoughtful, balanced, excellent commentary. Acknowledging that feminism can in some aspects have benefits for society.
But I disagree with women being helpless. Human power is social not physical. Were not the apex species due to superior strength.
Humans as a whole are relatively helpless without society they're in. We need the tribe to survive and thrive. Women on the whole navigate the tribe ald social dynamics with more skill than men.
Women tend to be are better suited to their environment (modern society) than men. Tend to navigate social interactions with more skill to manipulate and get what they want (eg.AF/BB).
Poolooloo 5y ago
This is one woman’s experience and her confabulated narrative to explain her actions.
What happened to her probably wouldn’t be considered “rape” even 20 years ago. She didn’t consider it rape immediately. Maybe her first instincts were right but the current culture convinced her otherwise. You can be many levels of blacked out drunk. If you’re sobering up enough to regain memory function in the middle of intercourse you probably were just past the threshold where you are trashed by not passed out or unconscious. It’s possible she was entirely into it in her blacked out state and was into him in general. If you’ve ever blacked out before it’s very scary to wake up and realize you don’t know what you were doing for the last few hours. Even if nothing bad happens the sense of losing control to that extent is disturbing.
Unlike men, women are given an easy out in scenarios like this. They get to call drunk hookups rape if they ever become uncomfortable down the line. So rather than being a girl who had a drunk hookup with her friends brother and went on to cheat on her serious boyfriend with him years later she can become a “rape victim ragaining power over her body”. The narrative part of her brain is more comfortable with that story so that’s what she goes with. But the stories we tell ourselves usually have nothing to do with our actions.
A more simple explanation would be that she was attracted to this guy and wanted to fuck him so she did, twice. I’ve had wasted girls come onto me before, hard. If I had hooked up with them(I didn’t) would they have remembered everything? Maybe not. Would that be rape? These days the accepted answer is “yes” but it’s really not what comes to mind when people think about rape. It’s a very different and murky territory that people have only begun to seriously think about in the last 15 years or so. When people think “rape” they think about a man using violence to coerce an unwilling women, not two drunk people having sex and not remembering everything the next morning.
These days as a man you need to realize that this is unequivocally considered rape and even if it wasn’t you should not be engaging in alcohol abuse or with those abusing alcohol. Women lie almost instinctively to protect their reputations. Their amygdalas are hypersensitive to social dynamics and they are more flexible in the way they interpret sets of facts. So she has the choice- be a Rape Victim reclaiming her power over her abuser- or -be a girl who had a one night stand then cheated on her boyfriend with the same guy years later-. Considering the elevated status given to rape victims in our society it makes sense which interpretation she would chose.
If being raped was considered more shameful and cheating less shameful maybe she would go with the other story.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
Hamster's gotta hamster, I wouldn't expect her to admit any guilt.
From the sexual strategy perspective, whatever her justification she did cheat. A lesson that TRP told me is to not give into her rhetoric, I could have been the cuck beleiving she was absolutely right to betray her current partner.
I honestly don't care about the rest of her life, whether she did initiate sex with him or not, whether she came against her will or willingly. But the interesting point she raises is quite rare to find in a mainstream article : Her response to the primal act of fucking a incapacitated woman, is to go back to the guy and hook up again. Hence the "Broken goods" red flag. Don't fix other people's broken shit
systemshock869 5y ago
I don't think real, unwilling rape should be considered shameful. That's like shaming people for being robbed at gunpoint. But being able to retroactively classify a willing encounter as rape is a cancer that needs to die a painful death.
Poolooloo 5y ago
I don’t either but you look at Muslim countries and they do see the victim as tainted or bad in some way. I think it’s the idea that the woman is now “broken goods” just expressed differently.
systemshock869 5y ago
Well they are using it literally, we are using it practically. They literally think she is now worthless, we know that this person has PTSD, bad decision making, a whole cocktail of things that make them too much work. But if billy beta want's to sacrifice his life for the mental well being of his snowflake, he can go right ahead.
I guess I see where you're coming from, but the thing is, if the woman actually had a strong head, brushed it off and got on with her life, then you wouldn't be sitting around having cry fests about how she was raped. They aren't always ruined, and it's really mostly about whether and how they are able to cope with it. Red flags are red flags, no matter where they came from.
Poolooloo 5y ago
The issue here is that our society gives elevated social status to victims so it incentivizes women who go through embarrassing or uncomfortable sexual encounters to come forward as victims rather than cope with the consequences of their choices.
This woman cheated on her serious boyfriend but because she can take refuge in her status as a victim she doesn’t experience the shame she would have if that avenue was less appealing.
Our culture doesn’t ignore red flags, it celebrates them. The more fucked up shit happens to you and the more damaged you are the better person you are considered to be.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
It's mostly the fear of one day becoming a red-flag, that pushes one to praise victims. I don't really see any interest in spitting at them, but I definitely think society should tell them to go fix themselves.
FractalNerve 5y ago
Wow, I am very impressed. This puts things into real perspective and is millimeter accurate in how rejection and attraction works in a victim's mind. Just wow!
I would love to read on an attacker/hunter's mind too. What fascinates me is that since I have grown up, till now every male who I dare to call a man is telling himself to go hunting "put word for objectified trophy". Really interesting!
Whisper 5y ago
You're a good writer and a clear thinker, but you're falling short of the mark... because you're not yet politically incorrect and misogynist enough.
The truth is that women do not give a shit about consent. Not in sex, not in life, not in anything. What they care about is having a positive experience. They are willing, able, and happy to be literal slaves so long as their daily lives are comfortable and happy.
(This is why women will vote for socialists and other types of authoritarian. They don't care about freedom, they don't want freedom, and they don't understand why anyone else does.)
So if women don't care about consent, or freedom, why does rape bother them?
Because they DO care about male sex-worthiness. They are instinctively programmed to vet men for sex-worthiness. It is more or less the entire function of all their mating behaviours.
The trauma of rape, for a woman, isn't violation of autonomy. It's having her vetting process bypassed. It's having sex with a male she sees as unsexworthy.
This explains how the same woman who masturbates in secret to rape porn will hamster consensual sex with a loser into "regret rape". There is no contradiction. Her litmus test isn't consent at all, it's sex-worthiness.
This is why some men get away with rape all the time, and others get locked in a box for years over a drunken mutual hookup.
So, what do men need to do about this?
Well, the answer "don't rape" is retarded. It doesn't protect you. It's not what women care about, and it's not what they will target you for. The real answer is...
Don't have sex with a woman if she doesn't see you as sex-worthy. Don't be that thirsty bitch who begs for it. Use alcohol to socially lubricate her so you can create attraction, not to overcome ASD. Don't "push through" LMR... use a freeze-out. If she doesn't immediately try to pull you back, then she doesn't see you as sex-worthy, and you weren't going to get sex anything.
TRP isn't about getting sex. It's about getting sexual enthusiasm. Let's face it... there's only so much sex you can have. What you really want isn't just for her to take your dick... it's for her to beg for it. It's for her to sneak out her boyfriend's window in the middle of the night to have you shove it inside her. It's to buy her own plane ticket from Florida to California so she can suck it. It's for her to steal tshirts from your laundry basket so she can smell you when you're not around.
Don't make her "consent". Make her worship you. Then she'll never think the word "consent" again. Hell, if I drag FunSize or FanGirl or Tinkerbelle to my bedroom by the hair for some Mandatory Intimacy Time^TM , do you think they would call it "rape"?
Ha.
They call it "Saturday".
SKRedPill 5y ago
Women care far more about inclusiveness (aka being included) than freedom. This is actually one reason why women invade male spaces so much. Freedom in one way is exclusion, and that is painful to the feminine.
durtyknees 5y ago
The main reason the word "consent" is used is because male sex-worthiness is not a fixed status.
The main reason for most conflict/misunderstandings between genders is because men tend to forget that women have minds that are more fluid than a cat in liquid form --- whether this is a plus or minus depends entirely on how god-tier a man is.
A god-tier man (such as yourself) would love any woman's innate malleability, while mere-mortal men are going to be angry that any earned status is never permanent. It's like playing a game where the save files will randomly delete themselves without even informing you about it.
Unless a woman knows herself well enough and feel motivated enough to keep her man informed about her personal "triggers", changes are also far less predictable than farts.
What's worse, any man's ability to maintain sex-worthiness depends on many things he may not have control of, because his sex-worthiness also rely on what he's born with.
There's a reason a man's penis is the physical representation of his ego --- not just the shape/size, but whether he has enough mental aptitude to know how to make the most of it --- and a man without a healthy ego is a defective woman.
Whisper 5y ago
You are correct, of course.
One of our greatest struggles as teachers is to effect a certain transformation in our students, a change from asking the incorrect question...
"How do I get a girl?" (And then return to my man-cave to play World of Nerdcraft some more.)
... to the correct one ...
"How do I become the sort of man whom girls desire?" (For then, while no individual success can ever be guaranteed, eventual and frequent success is inevitable.)
The notion of consent serves several purposes, both in western culture and western jurisprudence.
It avoids any danger of confronting the reality that we are punishing men for having sex while unattractive. The notion of sex-worthiness is deeply ingrained not only in the female psyche, but in that of both sexes. Our real repugnance for rape comes not from any philosophical disapproval of the violation of autonomy (we do that gleefully on a regular basis), but from an ingrained disgust for the act of polluting high-quality eggs with low-quality sperm. This is why our repugnance at rape is directly proportional to the degree that the woman's SMV exceeds the rapist's.
It avoids contradicting our philosophical notions of individual rights and dignity with the uncomfortable admission that half of humanity is a genetically programmed slave race which lacks the capacity, to say nothing of the desire, for freedom and individual rights.
It creates the illusion of continuity with the original definition of "rape"... the crime of having sex with a woman without the permission of her male guardian, and/or without making provision to support her during and after pregnancy. This is why the old testament of the bible demands that women marry their rapists. It is not a demand upon the woman at all, but a demand upon the rapist, which is the reason for the additional stipulation that he may not ever divorce her or set her aside.
durtyknees 5y ago
Great points and good food for thought, thank you!
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_Ulan_ 5y ago
I understand you point of view : It is still up to the man to be responsible on what the sex turns out to be.
While this post is aimed at people who would consider dating a girl who was alpha-widowed or raped, it also tries to remind how you can choose to be a dumb monkey nailing floppy vaginas in a backstreet, or being a grown up man who knows hoe to get any sexy chick in your bed, her being single or married.
Pushing beyond the "I fucked a smoke show" narrative - towards the "I got a smart hot bitch to want my commitment" is the next level of self-esteem, in my opinion.
This is why there can't be a rule about consensual sex. It would become the utmost boring thing in this world.
But justice is above everyone, and justice does not care about the guy's sex-worthiness.
Luckily, it is very easy to prove consent without asking, as you said we are here for authentic sex enthusiasm. The art of the modern man is to publicly prove consent, or hold valid proof that cannot be turned back against him. A text, a witness, a reason... It is so easy to obtain that I don't understand the guys who complain about "how paranoiac our society is". And those who forgot that, will get punished by the bitch.
Some form of physical domination can be traumatising, that can't be ignored. But I agree that the main issue is to feel that you got lowered to the rapist SMV, and that you may have enjoyed it. Heck, I'm a straight male yet if someone were to forcefully tie me up and hit my prostate I would not feel nothing.
A woman who understand that will get back up from her rape in little time. However a woman who though she was innocent (the younger ones) will be emotionally tortured by this violation of her rights. As long as she isn't in peace with herself, she is broken goods.
Yet if they'd take those finger out of their asses and did a little more effort, It wouldn't even be rape. I don't know at which level you stand, but I personally enjoy to fuck young sexy bitches with them asking for it. Not them realising later that it "was a positive experience".
Ha ! Go say that to the creepy PUA guys ... Yeah we agree on that
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
This thread made me really, really wet. Ulan, u/Whisper, you can have my ass anytime.
PREACH, BRUDDAS!
_Ulan_ 5y ago
That's all we were waiting for bruddah ! when's the TRP orgy ?
gbdoragnic 5y ago
> Don't hamster yourself into raping. Or into immature fuck-a-drunk. That's failure.
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https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/f7f/2a/jakejosie.jpg
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Please refer to the following photo to learn all you need to know about the drunk girl rape myth , if you avoid drunk girls, and high girls you will still get accused 30 years later when you run for office, nothing you can do about that shit, I guess Emmit till shouldn't of Harassed a white women, oh wait she lied, women been lying for fucking forever. In fact groups of women often get together to form false rape gangs where they accused wealthy men of rape and demand payout, so please don't present stupid shit that it has anything to do with immaturity .
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Humans do "evil" shit when they can , women are people ,
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> To be her first choice
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her first choice is brad Pitt, than A billionaire, than a Millionaire, than the guy who is taller than you, than the guy who is slightly taller than you, they just won't commit, you will never be the first, but you can be the best she can get. But stop caring where you are on her totem poll because you will never win, in threatening us with rape is a blue pill move.
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> Be a man, be an attractive man
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Blue pill being framed under a red pill context, the blue pill ego is so fragile that he justifies his assertiveness by attacking himself and giving himself false qualifiers this is suppose to make his emotions ok, you are damaged, most men are damaged, most mass shootings or men, most serial killers are men, most suicides are men, you do not have the knowledge or intelligence to make a claim like this, check your fragile ego first before assessing women's , they aren't weak
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> The elder TRP members might know this, but the younger ones won't really understand how guilty a woman will resent herself for feeling pleasure against her will.
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Blue pill trope , We don't understand women, look man , men are raped more, the entire rape cultural started when black men went to feminist to ask them for help because so much prison rape was going on.
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> Don't fuck the insane, don't fuck the half sleeping drunk, be a man.
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I was falsely accused twice both times involved being Alpha and saying no, I refused to give them rides, she hopped in my car, I refused and said I'm going to the police, she considered this kidnapping and rape, completely normal girl otherwise, so stop blaming the victim, if you sleep with a drunk girl than she claims rape, you are in fact a victim(passed out girls or girls who are obviously incoherent don't apply)
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MOST False Accusation DO NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF SEX OR ANY SEX OCCURRED
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> A woman will get wet, and might orgasm from being dominated by someone against her will. This is basic animal mating dynamic, mother nature doesn't care of your preference.
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Men who are raped often orgasm too, you aren't teaching or preaching Empathy , you're acting as if the female emotional experience is more "weaker" than man, this is exactly what feminist are talking about , even though most men are mass shooters, rapist, criminals, suicide victims, perhaps you should check your own fragile shit before even attempting to talk about women.
_Ulan_ 5y ago
I don't have much to answer, man.
You bring up being rich, running for office, mass shootings, serial killers, jailed men, suicidal, false accusations, men being raped, etc... The scope of this analysis is "Does 'broken goods' count as a red flag and why". All those subjects don't fit in here.
If this analysis reads as "women are so vulnerable that you should like them and forgive them", then you should understand that the point is "broken goods are a waste of time, leave her in hell and move on".
I feel like you'd have preferred this post if I replaced all the "women" by "bitches".
I unplugged from the Disney fantasy, and it is much better knowing what women want. Once I got bored of fuck-a-slut parties or plating the boring 22y.o. girl who can't decide anything by herself, I moved on to women that have a bit of depth. Musician, lecturer, anything that keeps me entertained when her mouth isn't full. I don't care which Chad a dumb slut is going to fuck in the nightclub, when you've fucked a couple it's like you've done them all. However, the fact that a hot talented chick would dump her boyfriend to be with me is what gets me rewarded, even better if she stays around knowing she won't get any commitment. That's my take, I'm happy with that.
I agree, I said that in another comment.
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