Summary Many men, especially of my older cohort should strongly consider gaming and plating older women (ie 35 plus) instead of always pursuing younger ones. It is an incredible boost for self confidence, getting massive amounts of sex easily and learning your game and how you deal with women.
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So my journey into TRP is documented in my profile, but I'm 40 and have been separated now for just over two months. Since my marriage was a massive dead bedroom - I had sex just about a dozen times in the past three years - one of my first priorities was to get laid. A lot. Cue Tinder and my awakening into the new sexual marketplace in my 40's. Following general guidelines from here and seddit I've been on god mode ever since.
Since I've been on my own (just over two months), I have had sex with seven different women and I'm currently working on three more. Age ranges from 37 to 47. They have ranged from one night (first date) fucks to ongoing sex marathons. Two weekends in a row in December I managed to have dates Friday, Saturday and Sunday night and slept with a different woman on each night (one was a repeat because she was fantastic). I'm not saying this to brag, I'm using it to show you that this can be actually easy if it is the type of thing you want to do. And older women are the easiest targets for high volume, low commitment sex that makes both parties happy.
For me I'm an attractive guy but I've read up on things like the Charisma Myth, most of the books in the sidebar and use my time with these women as practice. And the older ones absolutely eat it up. As long as you are in shape and are confident, you are ahead of 90% of guys in their 40's. So many men at this stage have let themselves go both physically and personally and have nothing to offer. Lift - but you don't need to be huge. I'm very athletic with decent muscle tone and don't look my age at all which seems to help a lot. I also changed my haircut and went out with a personal shopper and stepped up my wardrobe.
What I see on TRP is a lot of advice for guys to go after younger women, and obviously that can be a goal but the dynamic of the encounters and how you can act around younger women does differ somewhat from older ones. There are pros and cons to dating and plating older women and I'm here to talk about the pros for guys in my age bracket, because in my opinion they do outweigh the obvious cons.
Pros
High sex drives - these older women love to just get it on. Multiple times per night and the LMR isn't even there in most cases. Often once you give them what they want, which is an amazing experience they will text you asking for it. There is no game playing and no mind games until they try to lock you down, which if you are reading and learning you don't even let into the conversation. I've gone as many as eight times in a 15 hour "date". Fastest was we were naked within 10 minutes of me arriving at her house after a few sexy text messages. These women have not been fucked properly sometimes ever and once you do, the floodgates open.
Sophistication and money - generally these women dress better, will not even blink at paying for their own things and will spoil you as well. I've had exotic meals cooked for me on a first date. They have their own cars, places to live and generally decent jobs. They are usually in a much different place than the average 25 year old retail worker. They can also carry a good conversation.
No commitment expected (at least at first) - these women typically have children but they are divorced or had previous LTRs and don't want another one. They want to have fun, get fucked really well and have a partner for things when they don't have their kids. Half of my recent women have been single moms but you simply work around their custody schedules. I've also had frank discussions with all of them about commitment, and they simply aren't interested which is also different than post wall women trying to lock you down so you have to next them. Longevity as a result as a plate increases significantly. I'm thinking that a couple of these women I could literally keep around until I get bored of them. You can also manage them as you want as a result. We all have busy lives and if I don't respond to a text then my phone doesn't get blown up.
The one glaring and obvious con is body and looks. These woman are obviously not as hot and fit as most 25-30 year olds. You will need to put aside some of your SMV numbers and focus on other things like how good they are in bed or other pros, which for me raises their SMV at least a point or two even if their body type isn't my ideal. Get over it, when you're older they aren't going to look like a super model naked. Things sag, and skin isn't the best but in my experience they more than make up for it with enthusiasm. And, if you're good at getting them to feel good around you naked they will do anything you want.
Another point to consider is that they are often doing exactly what you are doing and have active plates themselves. If you're really following TRP then you won't get oneitis and don't care. Just be smart and safe about it. Don't get attached even if they are remarkable women who seem to have all good qualities.
Lessons learned
I never thought women over 40 could be such an amazing source of high volume, non commitment sex.
Older guys like myself can be on plate god mode fairly easily with just a slight bit of game and style.
Even if they aren't your physical ideal, they will make up for it with enthusiasm.
Go kill it, fellow 40 plus gentlemen.
Yes, this is my first post on the main so comments and critiques are welcome.
HeadingRed 8y ago
" I also changed my haircut and went out with a personal shopper and stepped up my wardrobe. "
In my late 40's and have seen the level of interest I get go way up with this as well. It's amazing what some truly good clothes and shoes can do - and I have to admit it does give me some swagger.
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
by age 40 most womens pussies have seen about 10,000 miles of cock. not saying i won't sleep with them but there are so many young dumb sloots out there
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Back when I was in college & waited tables, older women were aggressively forward. However most women seem to age hard and fast. you can tell some of their bodies are being held in shape by their clothes.
If you do meet someone hot and older, it's worth trying though. I am currently the secret lover of a 40-something from my mom's book club. She says the dirtiest shit in my ear, it's kind of incredible.
nyrp 8y ago
Shit dude, I'm 35. The youngest I've been with was a 23 year old this year. And I could get more of it if I wanted, but the best sex of 2015 was with a 42 year-old and 50 year-old.
The 23 year-old was extremely cute and has a baby-face. But almost all the rest of it was not worth it. She's on Tinder with women cause she's still exploring her sexuality. She's back and forth with 3 other guys before and after me. I go out with her grad school friends and they're telling vicious stories of exploiting beta bucks cause they're all hot young things and enjoy getting away with it. And even with me, it was a bunch of game playing. I want you, I don't want you. We weren't supposed to sleep together. Let's sleep together again, but not too often. For all her supposed "sexual exploration" with men and women, it was a boring blowjob and the sex was average. Just a lot of NOISE.
The 42 year-old is a dancer and dance teacher. Her body is amazing and she's flexible and responds with excitement to every touch. Most enthusiastic blowjob of my life. No relationship expectation or game. She gives me little tests, like "Why don't you like my photos on FB some time?" but nothing serious. I get into town and text her, "I want you tonight" and she drops everything and comes over, dressed like a slut, covered in a fur coat. The sex is so good and she's funny and lighthearted.
The 50 year-old, ok, she's had a little work done on her face. So in a dark room, you'd think she was 27 but in bright lights, it's a tad weird that her cheeks pull a bit tight. But she has an all natural body with large, firm tits. Maybe skin is not as tight as an 18 year-old, but can't really tell the difference from her and a 30 year-old. I've definitely had saggier 28-35 than this 50. She dresses well. Basically, she raised her kids (even has 1 grandkid), and she's having a second youth of seeking out sexy dudes and having fun. Her enthusiasm is off the charts. Met her at a bar, and she dropped her plans for the evening and took me to her hotel and we're fucking a couple hours later. She has money and takes me out to dinner and to bars where the drinks cost $40. No expectations, but she texts me begging for more. She makes me feel great cause it's like I'm the best thing that's happened to her all year and she lets me know.
Sure, she's fucking 50. But with that enthusiasm and femininity, how much do you think I'd like to go back to the 23 year-old with her fucking sexual "exploration" issues and game-playing "doubts and regrets" and letting me know about her beta orbiters to try to arouse jealousy. It's just not worth it.
Now, when I decide I want an LTR or if possibly a family, no, I'll not be looking to the 50 y.o. or the 42 y.o. But it's actually a bit daunting to have to go back to gaming some 20-30 y.o. when the older women are so much more fun, laid-back, and good sex!!
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
I wish I could find older women attractive. I am so jealous reading anecdotes like this from dudes who can fuck women over 40 yrs old. (No sarcasm intended in this comment)
nyrp 8y ago
If they take care of themselves, and life hasn't made them bitter, they can be very attractive.
Ok, a celeb is kind of an exception, but wealthy women would be the same way:
Gwen Stefani in her 20's
Gwen Stefani at age 46
Basically my older women have been dancers, athletes, and wealthy. Their bodies are better than HB7's in their 20's and their attitude is 20x better.
Firespit 8y ago
You realize 3 inches of paint covering that face on the second photo?
nyrp 8y ago
Better than wearing a stupid dot in the middle of her forehead.
rot_barth 8y ago
Yes, but.
For those of us in our 40's who discovered TRP, the concept of slaying it with a 20-something can be daunting. So, we effectively settle for what we know - women our own age.
Gentlemen, do not be deceived. ALL of these options are open to you - the 40+ and the 25 and under. Just make an informed decision about what YOU want and do not opt-out on supposition alone.
daddymonsterpoodle 8y ago
I get where the OP is coming from. As a 46yr old I find 20yr olds harder to game (as they wrestle with the social stigma of the age difference) but I was at the swimming pool today and I gotta tell you, there was a real shortage of older women, or even in the 25 to 35 age group that I thought were sexy. Letting themselves go is an epidemic.
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grewapair 8y ago
Just wants to have fun? Try being a millionaire, dude, those women don't swarm me because I'm fun.
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[deleted] 8y ago
You wrote this comment just to refer to yourself as a millionaire.
grewapair 8y ago
What difference do you think it makes on here? I could be a dog for all you know.
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You could be a dog, yes. But I would assume not.
bhooooo 8y ago
As a 23 year old, getting a plate double my age was a great achievement. Pure sex, no drama and outstanding opportunities for RP training.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Well said. Life itself is simply a series of choices, and I'd much rather fuck the MILF driving the Mercedes and looking for a little fun with a younger guy than the broke, overweight, single mother looking for a provider.
mojo_juju 8y ago
I'm late 20s and actually prefer late 30s - 40s women for these very reasons.
Recently met a 43 y/o yoga lady on Tinder. After a short convo, I arrived, 5 minutes later was naked with her in her hottub. Her words as she stripped her clothes off "I'm from California.".
Bada boom, bada bing bing bing
[deleted] 8y ago
Single moms are toxic OP, don't care what you say. Otherwise I agree, even for a guy like me in his 20's the post-wall women can be fun because of enthusiasm and drive. Overall good post but please cannot say it enough single mothers are poison and have done nothing but ruin the life of every single man I've seen that tried one, from a cousin to personal friends to co-workers to even 3 of my brothers close friends. It's a 100% failure rate from what I have personally seen so don't play with fire.
DaBaulz 8y ago
A forty year old single mom is completely different then a 20-30 year old single mom. They aren't looking for a provider, most of em have agreements with the father or kids are out of the house anyway .
vengefully_yours 8y ago
You're thinking ltr. You're right about that, you don't want to marry nor live with a single mom. Just fucking them, we'll that opens up new possibilities. She is willing to do anything to get you to stay. Older girls usually have teenage kids, not toddlers like the 20 something single moms, so the kids are rarely around. It's damn difficult to find an older girl that doesn't have kids, which is why I rarely fuck them, but I'll still fuck them and I'll never commit. I'll never commit to anyone again, no matter what her age or how many fuck trophies she has.
ColdEiric 8y ago
95% of single moms are toxic. Everyone knows this, and it's wise to assume that any single mom you meet that she's fucking crazy. "Rules are guidelines for the wise and for the obedience of fools."
But if OP, or someone else, manages to find a couple of single moms of the other 5%, then they do not have to be toxic. There are exceptions to the rule. Some of the single moms might be okay, but they have to then prove themselves to be 'not-crazy'.
random_1135 8y ago
OP clearly states that he isnt looking for a LTR with any of them, so the fact that they are single mom's isnt a problem at all as long as he keeps on keeping commitment off the table.
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Sooooo many of them are single mums tho. Specially past a certain age
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Can confirm. Single mums seem to be a little more trouble than they're worth. I'm a younger guy playing the game with older women too. As long as you aren't attached and keep them separate from any personal connections (where you live, family, friends etc.) you should be right.
Though I do wonder how to make your intentions with older women more clear as a younger guy. I've been trying to plate a woman recently who seems flirty enough, just isn't getting the memo.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
You can be very direct with older girls. Kino works fast, they like to be manhandled from behind. You can also just be direct and tell her to get naked. Works for any girl, but the older ones are horny and not getting it like they want.
[deleted] 8y ago
I like the sound of that. First one I plated figured it out soon enough and came onto me. Second one was shy and hard to get completely alone, even though she asked me to drive her home (a tag along friend cock blocked me). I never thought I could just blatantly proposition her with as much confidence as I can muster. Thanks for the tip
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Definitely hit her with a proposition, what's the worst she can say? No. If she says no, she is selecting herself out of your life, let her. Quite often older girls will be very open to fucking, all you need to do is go for it. Just don't ask for sex, you don't ask for it ever. Be overt, not begging for a sniff.
[deleted] 8y ago
Copy that. My autism betrays me occasionally so It's good to have some clear cut instructions. Most of my sexual encounters thus far have involved limited talking before hand and so I am sort of at a loss for the most part on filling in the gap between meeting and fucking. Especially with these middle aged women who probably wouldn't even consider the idea of a young fit guy finding them attractive. Many thanks
atticusfinch1973 8y ago
I agree - however realize again with the older set that most of these women have grown kids. They aren't looking for a provider as such and are happy to have an alpha as a distraction. Of course as always, rule #1: DON'T COMMIT.
[deleted] 8y ago
He was providing anecdotal evidence and didn't think of it from your point of view. To counter it with my own anecdotal evidence, I've seen many good able men get with a single mother and have a happy marriage after. Also the opposite too, but saying 100% failure rate like /u/tb87670 did is literally wrong in the big picture. It seems this is one of the issues on TRP that is not black and white, a lot of the more experienced members will have noticed this too.
EDIT: technically he was correct about 100% in his viewed experiences but that doesn't mean 100% for everyone else.
GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
I don't mind single moms at all. I'm a single father myself. I'm also a REALLY good father- my kids are central to my life, and I have shared custody of my youngest and full custody of my oldest.
Yes, many- perhaps even most- single moms are looking to lock down a new provider for their crotch spawn. BUT that's almost always made abundantly clear in the first ten minutes of conversation. If all the questions are about your job, your house, and asking if you're looking for a commitment- she's looking for a provider. On the other hand if she asks what you enjoy doing for fun, what your hobbies are, and if you enjoy your job- she might be one of those moms who really doesn't need a provider but just wants to date men who understand she can't always be available.
I prefer to date moms for so many reasons. A huge reason is that whenever I try to date a woman who has no kids, she thinks she's gonna play "mom" for my daughters. Nope nope nope. My girls already have moms and don't need another one.
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The real difference is between young single moms and older single moms. A girl in her 20s is going to be looking really hard for a man to make her problems better. Women about about 35 are just looking for companionship and sex.
[deleted] 8y ago
Learn to read. I will quote that unedited line:
100% failure rate from what I have personally seen. As in what I witnessed personally. It is not literally wrong it is exactly what I have seen. One must observe the situation around the single mother. Example, my great-aunt, husband died around 30yr old motorcycle wreck. She was faithful and it was a happy family with a kid. She remarried years later and stuck with that husband until he died of old age. That is a rarity and from a different time period when feminism didn't take hold like we have today. Going to say it again, this is a rarity from a different time period. The single mothers I refer to are the current ones we deal with today. Almost all single moms of this generation are toxic. It's a vast majority and a few good ones most guys will never see even if they look will not make up for the many bad ones.
EDIT: So many bluepill cucks downvoting this post lol
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
So... you saw a single-mom remarry and stick it out until death-by-old-age...
I may not be a math wiz, but doesn't that lower your 100% failure rate a bit?
Am I missing something? Do you still consider that a failure?
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah an old woman born in the 30's. I'm talking current times with current culture and current women bud. We can talk about courtship in the old country back in the 1300's and how things were but it doesn't apply to today. Shame so many people here are taking the side of the single mothers, blue motherfuckers coming out today acting happy to be cucks.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
I dunno. I wouldn't be too hasty to think downvoters are BP. I've seen some hasty reactions to words used regardless of underlying concepts.
For example, your original "from a different time period" portion of your original comment didn't stand out for me.
You probably had some people think you were advocating that single mothers are just fine, and some others (like me) think you were inadequately defending your original position.
Language is hard. Let's not get too down on people who mis-understand us.
[deleted] 8y ago
I've seen out and out feminists pop up here enough to be worrisome but most of the time they make a few angry posts and get banned. I've heard several women trash on red pill as 'extremist' and 'hateful' in person and best thing is to avoid engaging them. There are lots of those kind lurking around and it's not a stretch to assume some go around downvoting.
As for them mis-understanding us: there is a sidebar that explains what TRP is and what it's about. They are supposed to read that before posting. If they disagree they should get the fuck out and leave us be, instead some come around trying to drag some of us into the mud.
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GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
Uhh, no.
Most divorces are initiated by women.
So, odds are against your scenario in which some guy decided she just wasn't good enough.
It's more likely that she branch swung, and missed the branch she was swinging to.
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[deleted] 8y ago
I said this in another post, single mothers were shamed in the past because it meant they were either sluts that just slept around or were so terrible they couldn't keep a man. It's a signal of a bad woman all around. The only time it's acceptable is a literal widow, and I don't mean military widows those women at least subconsciously want their husbands dead for benefits.
rombios 8y ago
i would give you gold had i any. a single mother is a failure all around. she either chose a bad mate or destroyed a good one. as you pointed out true widows are the exception
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grewapair 8y ago
True Dat, but all of the ones I know are flat broke and kicking themselves for not having the kid with a richer guy.
Once the lawyer explains how child support works, they usually don't make the same mistake.
HumbleEngineer 8y ago
Most (if not all) will try to fit you into a provider role, since that's what the little bastard needs.
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just make sure to use a condom.
HumbleEngineer 8y ago
Yes, they are, however the feeling of protection for the kids is much bigger than that. They'll have the alpha fux and then they'll bend you into beta bucks (either guilt trip, fatherly role on the eyes of justice or the old reliable getting pregnant). Be careful.
Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
I don't get this sub and it's tendency to insult or belittle boys and men raised by single moms. I have a single mom and I'm here right with you.
ColdEiric 8y ago
Read the statistics of children raised in families where mothers and fathers stay together. Take a look at how the average grades are different when one of the parents are gone or present. Imagine what you might have gotten if your father was around. Things are very different when parents aren't around.
You might be the exception somehow.
chiralC 8y ago
Either you don't recognize how you've been conditioned by being raised by a single mother or you're a miracle. Looking back, that shit nearly destroyed me. TRP is truly a blessing to the men of our generation that seek it
Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
No yeah, I've definitely been conditioned but my mom and I just never got along (raised by narcissists). So I knew red pill truths by the age of 14/15. I knew I'd never get married and have kids. I always hated being skinny so working out is always at the top of my to-do list. I found this sub by Googling things like "don't get married."
Starting at my age is the making of a Sigma.
HumbleEngineer 8y ago
Good for you buddy, but you tend to be the exception.
Also, don't take anything on the Internet personally. I don't even know you to try to offend you.
HumbleEngineer 8y ago
Also where is the little boy bellitled? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bastard
Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
I knew someone would try to post the definition of bastard. It's still not a term of endearment at all. At the very least it shows a mild disdain for boys with single moms, as if it's in our control.
HumbleEngineer 8y ago
Wanna feel offended? There's a bunch like you on srs
Appleseed12333 8y ago
I'll try to answer.
From an young attractive women's position she has: near unlimited dating choices short term (no women is getting married under 22), 20+ types of birth control, many post conception options, and a large social net of govt/white knights to save her from well herself lol.
If she had a kid (especially unmarried) it's because she wanted it and she wanted it with a guy who would leave her.
No matter what you are dealing with a chick above average crazy, and isn't down to aborting if you don't have a vasectomy. Don't forget the time and money needed to raise a kid/hire a babysitter. Fun nights out at a drop of a hat just don't have the logistics to support it. If you can plate her, have fun.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is good all around. I've said before single mother is just a sign of a shitty woman and you pointed out more reasons. With all the birth control and abortion options available a woman having a kid is either really stupid or a total bat-shit slut. Either way they couldn't keep a man around, that is the primary point of avoiding single mothers. Much like how women use pre-selection and instantly like a guy with women hanging around, I personally feel revolted seeing single mothers and I think it's a natural pre-selection men have to not raise an unclaimed spermling that is not their own.
Probably_Sleepy 8y ago
Or maybe she was in a healthy relationship when she was younger and people change? How are the only options for a single mother being she's stupid or a slut? What if she was with a jackass like you who can't think at a level higher than a 14 year old? OP is talking 40 year olds Jesus man.
[deleted] 8y ago
You claim I can't think at a higher level yet you should re-read the trash you just typed. People change? That's called hypergamy. Healthy relationship? If 'people change' then it wasn't healthy. If she was with a jackass she didn't like and reproduced with him anyway it means she is indeed dumb, a woman who cannot choose a good mate is an instant red flag. Oh wait we call that being a single mother. The very few non-military widows that are legit good women are so few and far between you cannot count on seeing one ever, hence a unicorn. But wait she has another man's kid, so it's NOT a unicorn. Hit the sidebar.
Probably_Sleepy 8y ago
I guess you have never been in a relationship before where you were happy, and by no fault of either person, both people changed and moved on? What does that have to do with hypergamy. You assume the worst about people constantly and you become bitter.
[deleted] 8y ago
Again hit the sidebar, you seriously need to go through the whole thing a few times over. Either you don't want the relationship anymore or she doesn't want it anymore. If you are happy you stay together, if not then 'people change' and either one or both of you are lying about it. If the man doesn't want the relationship it's because the woman has too many red flags and isn't good LTR material in such a relationship or she tosses too many shit tests for what you get out of the relationship. If she doesn't want it then it's because she found what she thinks is a better replacement. Simple as that, it's been proven over and over again with unicorns and perfect 'good girls' making out with dozens of guys before ditching their current boyfriend and sticking with what she considers the best.
I'm not assuming the worst, I'm facing reality. This is how the vast majority of women are. It's fact. I'm acknowledging truth instead of hamstering around the issue.
jallfairs 8y ago
Different strokes for different folks. Fuck em all.
RedSugarPill 8y ago
There's a lot of concern trolling faggots in response to this post. Whatever.
I am 40 and my current range of women is 25-55. I met the 55 year old when I was 25 (she was 40 then), and she is still one of the best lays I've ever had. Haven't slept with her for a few years, since she lives in a different country, but I wouldn't give it a second thought--and I look forward to visiting her again sometime hopefully soon. Anybody who says OP is getting low hanging fruit is an absolute fucking idiot with distorted projected Disney fantasies. How the fuck can they judge without first-hand experience? If I'm having fun and my reward pathway is being stimulated like crazy, who's to tell me that I'm not doing it right? Oh, yeah, a faggot troll. Happy new year!
sinalpha 8y ago
You're so wrong.
You're claiming that women aged 40+ have a high sex drive is just plain wrong. Women start losing their sex drive starting in their early to mid 20s, with the finally tapering off in their 30s to just a couple of times per year. Think "wall".
When the sex drives goes they also lose the want to take care of themselves and look attractive.
Date a 40+ women? Never, there's no point and most likely she's looking for paycheck and someone to play daddy for some other guy's kids.
Keltaith 8y ago
Am 30. Have had 40+ year old plates. Was great every time. No Drama, no expectations, just fun and sex. Would do again.
constructiveasshole 8y ago
"Work around her custody schedule" ie Beta Bucks daddy gets the kids on the weekend so she's free to get fucked by you.
LessASnowmanThanAGod 8y ago
I've fooled around with some older women and I've gotta tell you it's a good AWALT reminder. You'd think after having children and being divorced that they'd gain some perspective...nope!
ransay3277 8y ago
I'd like to add one thing... They don't tell, don't swell and happy as hell.
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The cool thing about black women is that they can look 25 when they're really 45
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SanchitoQ 8y ago
I agree with you OP.
I also agree with a lot of the points brought up by people who responded. The "single mom" thing of an 40-year-old is not comparable to a single mom in her mid-20's.
One other point I'll bring up is that it is not that tough to find an older woman who is well taken care of. Her BB at home is paying for her yoga, gym membership, spa trips, etc. If that's the life she's coming from, that's the equivalent of an older car with low miles and a meticulous maintenance record.
If y'all aren't interested, though, that's your prerogative. More for the guys like us.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
One perk to this: watching late 20's and 30 something women who just sprung from the cock carousel as they approach the wall get butthurt at you being off the table as a beta provider while you walk around with your cougar giving zero fucks. And then you're thinking the whole time: "Yeah, sure, she's older, but she's still WAY hotter than you, lolololol."
Also, lower risk of being trapped with a kid or siring bastards.
One tip: Aim for the ones that got married young (teens to early twenties) to some asshole and raised a kid, but then the guy cheated on them. These are often the best of the lot because they were the ones taken advantage of and are looking for someone to treat them right. They're the equivalent of the male beta bux getting divorce raped. Naturally, you still have to game them a bit, but comparatively speaking, they are easily the best value for your time.
Edit: Also, did I mention that watching the look of pure hatred on the face of younger women is priceless?
TheAloofCat 8y ago
Menopause... Nature's birth control
rosarywan 8y ago
A 40+ year old woman becomes a lot less likely to bear children to rear them properly. Might be OK for plating, but for a LTR? Fuck no-- there's probably good reason for them being 40 and single, unless they were widowed or something.
penguin_says_slide 8y ago
Question : you use condoms every time, right?
atticusfinch1973 8y ago
Oh my god of course. Although all of them except one claimed they didn't need it and one actually tried to take it off me in mid fuck. Be smart and wrap your stuff.
Faps2Down_Votes 8y ago
You do know you condoms don't protect against all of them right?
penguin_says_slide 8y ago
Haha yeah totally agree. Thanks
Codex_Dev 8y ago
Do a lot of older women have STDs?
lost_lurker 8y ago
I know your post was a day ago but according to this article http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2011/04/latest-genital-herpes the answer to your question is yes. Most unmarried women over the age of forty have herpes. Side note, I don't know how legit this article is so take it with a grain of salt.
blackhorse6 8y ago
Sorry OP, I have to totally disagree with your thesis here. Women 40 plus tend to have tons of baggage from past ex-husbands, baby daddies etc. Please please stay away from older single moms, drama machines wanting providers. The 40 plus crowd is low hanging fruit, you can do much better OP.
atticusfinch1973 8y ago
One thing you have to make sure that you do is not let the baggage in. As soon as any of them start talking about exes, etc I just shut it down. You also have to pick and choose, but the ability to pick and choose is greatly heightened by the ability to easily get what you want from them without having to deal with all the other crap. It only gets let in if you let it get let in.
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Themooseconnection 8y ago
Nothing can make up for the innocence of an 18-25 year old woman. You can keep the old hags that have seen it.
beware_the_syllogism 8y ago
Most 18-25 year olds are well on their way around the block.
Morpheus-Man 8y ago
In all honesty dude, you`ll find 18-25 yr olds that are only good at putting up an innocent front more skillfully then a 40 yr old due to their current physical looking youth. Post wall women cannot display innocence as easy, but theyre worth it.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
I'm confused. I thought most women had sex by the age of 15? And I'm putting my money on Porcodiolurido's assertion that by 25, she's done an interracial gang-bang. If you change "18-25" to "8-15" then maybe you have something, but I'm not sure you'll fare well telling your buddies about the hot 4th-grader you scored last night.
Darkseid_Omega 8y ago
Innocent at that age range? That's a joke.
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The average 18-25 has already tried gangbangs, interracial, swinging and countless perversions. Innocent my ass
BleauGumms 8y ago
Sounds to me like your plucking low-hanging fruit.
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Stythe 8y ago
There's another reason that this is beneficial that I realized after picking up a 40+ year old at a nightclub some time ago. It helps you realize that no matter the age, women are women. The same mentalities exist in all of them. AWALT.
This woman admittedly was a typical disaster. Single mother, out partying the night before seeing her child, lied about how often she gets laid, did drugs. I found her shit tests to be more out of desperation than anything. I honestly didn't care what happened, and it got me laid. At the same time, the realization that occurred to me was that she could have been anyone before. However she ended up in her position is irrelevant. She did. It helped me realize it's MY job to filter trash from treasure, and most things in life are the former.
Uptonogood 8y ago
I once plated a 40 year old widow, gym bunny. It was the biggest freak in bed I've ever found.
It was great because there was no hidden expectations, she knew that at my age then (26) I would never LTR her. It was pure sex, and some friendship. To this day I'm pretty grateful for it, she taught me a whole lot about sex, even though I wasn't a virgin in any stretch of the word.
All in all, its great if you're young and inexperienced.
TRPTheRedLion 8y ago
I'm 40 and I have a 44 year old plate and 46 year old plate right now. After becoming single and dating the last three years I agree with much OP has said. One thing I want to emphasize is that 40 year old moms are different than 30 year olds. Their kids are almost grown or out of the house. Now its time for ME time.
I do find them fun. My 44 year old plate the first time I met her texted me to say she was in the shower, the door is open and just strip down and join her. The drama with these women is toned down substantially.
Yes, these women do have a higher sex drive. It is scientific fact. They are in their sexual plateau and I've had several tell me it drives them crazy because they are horny all the time.
I've dated 20s, 30s and 40s. All have advantages and disadvantages. But the easiest fruit to pick is a woman in her 40s.
GuitarHero07 8y ago
I'm 31 and I've fucked all the legal decades from the 90s to the 50s (banged out a 50 something year old several years ago). I'm looking forward to adding the '00s to my list soon!
I definitely can't deny that I've had some fun times with 40+ year old women. As others have pointed out, a lot of women approaching menopause actually have an increased sex drive....basically it's nature telling them to use what is left of their fertility.
Obviously, one must take precautions to avoid knocking up one of these older women because they are definitely not LTR material. But they can certainly be a good romp.
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God, I had a fun, little petite plate with a 17 year old kid (I was 25 and she was in her young 30s) and she brought him to an activity date once so I dropped her like a bad habit. Most uncomfortable date ever. Fml.
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Old ladies make for a good slam pig, but for the love of christ don't let them infiltrate your life.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Bear with me, here. They don't have higher sex drives, they are just more sexually 'liberated', i.e., know what they want, and aren't worried if the other sorority beckies start rumors that they're slutty.
The product ain't as good anymore, so they have to sell it at a discount.
Kingoffistycuffs 8y ago
So, just to help explain why this happens allow me to. Women in there 40s are just getting into the cusp of menopause which means huge hormone swings. Estrogen goes down in their systems and test goes up. As we know test is the primary sex hormone and women generally don't have much (by male standards). During the hormone changes of menopause though women's test can almost triple. That's why if your in shape in your 40s its shooting fish in a barrel with no water.
grewapair 8y ago
No, every one I've dated over 33 is horny as hell. I've never gone past 35, but I assume it's worse and worse as time goes on.
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I choose a dvd for tonight
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
You are conflating women arriving at the wall (increased expectations cross with decreased attractiveness = "WAAAAH! Why are there no good men left?!") with post-Wall women who realize that the jig is up and they are no longer dealing from a position of SMV power.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Jesus Christ. I don't understand the bitterness of some of the guys here. Your choice is your choice.
You can fuck 40 year old women as well as 18-25 year olds. Just NEVER FUCKING COMMIT. Wear a condom always. Speaking of which... all the rules apply for ALL women.
When I was 23, I had fun fling with a 42 year divorcee WITH children. We never talked about her children, and she love me being rough, dominated, pulling her hair, slapping and fucking her seneseless. Every single hole was available. There was never any commitment on the table, and honestly I learned more about TRP than any relationship I'd ever had.
Versus a 23 year old who never had it in her butt, won't do blow jobs, and fucking her like a dead fish... I'd take the 42 year old again anyday. But I don't have to because I slept with both around the same time period of my life.
It's not one or the fucking other... we're men who are achieving OR achieved high status. The abundance is real, take advantage and enjoy life.
Morpheus-Man 8y ago
Question -
Would you personally raw dog your main plate or LTR
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I would rawdog either... but then again I don't nut inside a woman. Ever. Even with condom.
I had a instance where one of my plates was talking about having children, I immediately nexted her. Sex with condom or not.
PabloEscoba 8y ago
Old hag single moms in OP's age range should be treated like lepers with ebola
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I am 27 and have primarily fucked women 45+, even a two nearly-60 year olds once. Had a long-term thing with a 47-year-old lady right into her early 50s - she sucked and fucked like a goddess. I really enjoy mature pussy - older women suck cock well since they've been doing it so long and they are highly confident. Their cunts also feel great. If their tits sag a little who really give a fucking shit? They are way more fun and appreciative than younger women, IMO. This isn't exactly secret knowledge homie. I think anyone 'in the know' has fucked plenty of mature women. They are horny and highly fuckable; it's a no-brainer.
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Il128 8y ago
The best women I've been around, that were actually fun and nearly like having another guy around were all post 50. Not all of them of course some are the worst of the worst, but a lot of attractive women post 50 are really down to earth and make great FWB.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
You came from a dead bedroom, starved for sex, as thirsty as you can possibly be. Just getting laid is an achievement for you. You can overlook the rolls of fat, the sagging tits, wrinkled skin, and mile long freight trains of baggage because you didn't get fucked much in the last twenty years. Perspective man, yours is different.
I am 46, yeah I have 40 something girls I fuck, one is begging me to drive 7 hours to fuck her some more and is thinking about driving here in two weeks just to get some. She sends me nudes every day, makes videos of herself playing with her snatch to send to me. A 37 keeps begging me to fuck her because her husband won't. I've had other older girls, one who just turned 40 gives inedible blowjobs.
Yeah its easy, I'm the best they can get. They offer up any hole want to fuck and want to fuck again after I finish. I get easy sex from the 18 to 28 too, any hole I want, and they look better, feel better and usually are far more active in bed. Now if you had the choice, would you fuck the old fat girl or the young thin one?
Since you're just looking to finally get laid, any pussy will do. Go fuck them, they love the attention and are usually sex starved because most men our age are either married, complete losers, or the very few like me 100% unwilling to commit. They'll happily and eagerly get naked and offer holes to fuck if you're not the losers they see everywhere.
SarcasmProvider 8y ago
Yeah hahaha, she's probably telling the truth hahaha.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I know them both. He is fucking a rather fat 23 year old, his wife sleeps on the couch because she has nowhere to go. She's a good friend of mine, helps me out often, and she wants to swing to me, but nobody can "have" me. So I know she is being truthful.
Stranger shit has happened to me in the past, this is nothing in comparison. It happens often to be honest, she isn't the first.
BradPill 8y ago
I surely hope so! Though, you should eat them :)
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Heh, the tablet changes words and the swipe is shit. That's a particularly funny one.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
Not to rain on your parade, but I know a natural alpha who will always, ALWAYS pick a 35-yr-old woman over a 25-yr-old (and he's dated plenty in all age ranges). And he won't consider a woman under 25 ever, no matter the circumstance (because he's fucked a few and now they're off the menu for him).
I don't think our article poster is just rationalizing his choice. There are those who have tried the whole range, sampling from abundance, and decided >35 is the best.
And, for the record, I personally think <25 is the best for me, because I'd rather fuck a 10/10 "has a little energy" than a 7/10 madwoman, because physical aesthetic and appearance is vastly important for me. Not all men are like me.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
What I will fuck once is very different from what I'd fuck every day, or ever again. I've had one 30 years older, and 28 years younger, everything between too. I don't keep any of them around long, but the 43 seven hours away still gets fucked. She is into old cars, and wants to build one with me, also she is tenacious. Even if I stop fucking her, I actually like her to hang out and do fun shit with cars.
The young hot ones, they're eye candy, a fun time in private and I like to show them off, but I never keep them around unless they have a redeeming quality of some kind that isn't her looks.
I mainly stick to 5 to 7s, thin, into being fit and reasonably intelligent. 8 and up is just a pain, I can get them, but they always want to use me because im old and have shit going on.
reigorius 8y ago
As a 40 year old, I find your posts quite informative. Hence the replies and questions.
Unlike you, I am active online with success. I don't do day game yet. Still quite a steep step to take to be honest. I do however approach with context. Like at the climbing gym, parties and incidental 1-on-1 meetings. With moderate success.
It's hard to put a value to them or myself. But I guess online I attract between 6-7 HB girls. I find my game working best at that range. So I guess I'm 7.
Like you I only pick slim girls with reasonable faces. I do however am quite picky on other subjects. I only go for smiling, non tattoo, non flashy dress styled, non party girls. So basically your decent looking next door neighbour.
It goes hand in hand with an interesting thing I noticed. On Tinder the girls from the same social class, say middle class, tend to choose me. The lower class girls (tattooed, duck- & slut-faced, alcoholic beverage holding, over made-upped bitches) never swipe me.
Higher class girls are rare and they do swipe me sometimes, but it never goes anywhere. What gives with the lower class girls? Doesn't add up in regards of women choosing higher up. Likes attract likes?
Another question to you is, do you solely pick girls with fuck able bodies, or do you also choose them based on personality and perceived social class?
I'm Dutch (Western Europe) for reference.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Around here almost everyone is poor, I am higher than most income wise, but I hide it. The tattooed hot mess girls are looking for me, the bad boy with the loud car, big muscles and dgaf attitude. They might think you're boring or too classy for them, and most of what they like about me is the danger, excitement, and possibilities of ending up in a shallow gave (but not really). I'm not going to make them feel poor as fuck, because I don't look like someone who is the high end of under 100k, but they are intimidated by me and that moistens panties.
I don't get the classy girls very often, but the kinky inked girls and blue collar family types adore me. They mistake me for mid 30s, but I still have the older man vibe going with the gray and ex military persona. If you want the slutty inked girls, you gotta be bad. At least around here. The last time I was in Europe was 1991, so I am sure it's changed a bit since then. I had zero trouble getting laid there back then, but I was sort of between obviously military and skinhead without tattoos
Il128 8y ago
The holes are all tighter pre 25, pre 19 and post 35 they just get looser and looser...
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Il128 8y ago
Myth? Blow up a balloon. Deflate it. Blow it up again. Continue until you see a 45 year old vagina or anus. I've lived it. There's no comparison between a 19 year old's pussy and a 35 or 40 year old's pussy. Fucking forget 45... Jesus.
cashmoney_x 8y ago
Unless they exclusively 'dated' Asian, of course.
Il128 8y ago
Well, there is some variation in tightness. Those that kegel during intercourse are of course better. Some, even if you tell them to, can't kegel.
Some are so tore up it's pointless and I just stop fucking and get a BJ. I had a 48 year old who was smoking hot face and in shape and her pussy and asshole were fucking huge... I double fisted her just because I wanted to see if her pussy was really that loose.
I digress, saying having kids, fucking and doing anal don't loosen the holes is born of ignorance and lack of experience.
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Well, I haven't experienced the variety you have, so I won't argue. The muscles may be hurt in pregnancy, so that could be a factor.
Il128 8y ago
Most 45+ can be fisted. Younger women there's no way you can fist them. The youngest woman I ever was able to fist was 36. That woman was still amazing btw.
freethinker34 8y ago
I have had girlfriends of various ages and the older ones were not looser. As a matter of fact one of my girlfriends was always fisting her own pussy and she was 22, and the 37 year old with 3 kids was uncomfortably tight.
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BradPill 8y ago
Nonsense. Even after giving birth they don't become meat curtains or what. And, younger girls, not having birthed, can have them. I guess it is genetics - mainly, as perhaps Kegel exercises keep things tighter.
Il128 8y ago
Most are huge. Some have corrective surgery to trim them up.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Ah, yes, the infamous "lettuce trim".
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Once you've seen the meat curtains on a 45 y.o., you will NEVER look at Mick Jagger the same way again. /grins
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VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Or Steven Tyler, for that matter.
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[deleted] 8y ago
RC cola is giving itself to you for a song is more the point.
vicious_armbar 8y ago
Women that are 40+ are for guys who can't easily get younger women. Or just want an easy (desperate) lay.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
I've always said cougars are a gold mine for young men. They just wanna get pounded hard while they've still got some attractiveness left. They will show you the ropes and watch your back. Probably even pay for dinner.
Just don't step in their crazy, because when they snap, it goes nuclear.
InscrutablePUA 8y ago
Keeping in mind the true value of pussy is always a good thing
Il128 8y ago
In 2014 I had sex with over 85 women in that year. First year post divorce. It does get old.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
Does anyone have advice/experience on how to game 35+ women as a 23 year old guy? Is there any merit to the whole "cougar" myth?
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A lot of bars have "cougar nights". If you want to pick up a sugar mama find out where/when.
Bring your SMV and they do the rest.
They won't necessarily approach you but they bang out the IOIs like the bat signal.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
Bat signal. lol. Thanks for the tip!
Il128 8y ago
Yes, they will fuck you if only for bragging rights to their friends. The games pretty much the same. KINO and have frame.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
Where do you usually find older chicks?
Il128 8y ago
Tinder. Also at pickup bars. Pro tip: When at a bar never open by buying a drink. Talk to her first if she shows interest then buy a drink. If she asks you to buy her a drink walk away.
Jesus, I almost forgot because it's so common... At the gym.
atticusfinch1973 8y ago
Can confirm. Older women are much easier to approach at the gym even if you see a wedding ring. They love to flirt. If your SMV is high enough and her bitch shield isn't up then you can definitely start something while lifting.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
You're so right about the gym. Cardio bunny opened me at the bench press machine the other day. Thought she was just being polite, didn't realize I was being gamed. Ah well. Thanks for the advice brother!
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Il128 8y ago
Do not use POF to date or pickup women. It's the shittiest dating site with the shittiest women on the Internet. You'd be better off on Fetlife picking up subs.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
As a 54 year old guy that has done "well enough" over my lifetime with attractive to not so attractive women I'd say this is good advice and even more true if you are getting over something negative like a dead bedroom.
Chasing SMV is like owning the fancy car or wearing a toupee as an older man to cover over a bald head, it screams out that you are still concerned with being accepted... it's neediness.
Older women can be fun.
Young women are great because you become their teacher... which is a role I like... so I tend to be attracted to those with minds that are open. (which can be old or young)
An important note... "Not All Old Ladies Are Fun" (NAOLAF - "No Laugh") so you need to pick the fun ones.
ColdEiric 8y ago
How do you separate from boring old ladies from the fun old ladies? What are your most accurate tells?
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The fun ones fuck you and don't complain that much.
ColdEiric 8y ago
No tells before you manage to fuck her?
Or do you find out when you try to open her box, and you find out if she slaps you or if she lets you enter?
Syberion01 8y ago
Just be straight forward about your intentions in a playful way and see if she responds positively. Then escalate.
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i'm not sure that you could list the "tells" as specific line-item things. you just have to have the judgement of character to be able to discern what kind of person she is from talking or appearance. For me I can see it in the face - the ones that will be bitchy and naggy, versus the ones that will want sex.
ColdEiric 8y ago
I got it, thanks.
It's basically charming and lovely and pleasant and attractive and warm, just right there, for the sake of my beautiful, masculine head. Or bitchy and witchy and poisonous.
Just like girls my age.
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I wouldn't paint that as the dichotomy. There are plenty of older women who are nice enough as people but they are too traditional/prudish/boring to be interested in sex, or if they are interested in sex they're high maintenance
ericatx 8y ago
I was trying to bang a lady like this. I was making sexual innuendos that she did not laugh at like other chicks do. She was really hung up on being old fashioned. She baked a lot, I think she was addicted to baking. And she referred to her father as "Daddy" all the time. Every other story she had was about her kids. She made a couple of hints how I didn't pay for her coffee or buy her anything. When I got back her to her apartment and was going to fuck her I reached for her tits and she said "Hey buster, not yet." I left and was glad I didn't by he a coffee even. Old fashioned, prude, kids run her life, does not laugh at sexual jokes/innuendos, sees you as beta bucks = get the fuck out of there.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Are they fun and funny?
Wrinkles burn personalities into old women's faces. (so it's usually obvious)
ColdEiric 8y ago
Look closer if the wrinkles has made a permanent happy smiley or a permanent frowny sad grouch?
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Yeah, the general personality will show up in the wrinkles.
long-lostfriend 8y ago
Your call, dude. I don't fault you for your choices, and I spent the better part of the last year banging an old college girlfriend on the side who couldn't get enough of my cock.
Still, they are the low-hanging fruit. No matter how freaky she may be, a 44-year-old riding you like there is no tomorrow will never match the same experience from an attractive girl half her age.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
I'm noticing a pattern with other posters: the attractive girl half her age won't ride with as much nuance and energy as the older one.
I have a "natural alpha" buddy who also prefers women over 35 (since he was 17) for that same reason.
I'm starting to consider myself lucky, that my low-20's LTR is an amazing enthusiastic fuck-bunny. I think because she has no social circle that will chastise her for being sexy.
long-lostfriend 8y ago
The trick, in my experience, is to find a younger woman who is submissive and willing to follow instructions and to have you push the envelope with her. I don't need ready-made, porn star-level fucking, as long as she is open and eager for me to lead her where I want her to go.
My 40+ mistress loved my cock and would do absolutely anything I wanted. She was in shape for her age and hadn't let herself go at all. Still, there is no comparison with someone who has the youthful energy and tighter body to match the eagerness.
bsutansalt 8y ago
The 40+ women I've dated were all as uncalibrated and thirsty as I was at 17. I don't know if that's a testament to my SMV or their lack of options at that age,possibly a combination of the two.
Sir_Distic 8y ago
I've noticed that many women in the south take care of themselves in their mid 30's and up. I've seen some smoking hot 40-50 year old women here. Bodies around 8-9.5
Many, of course are not. But plenty are hot. It wasn't like that back in New England. At 35-40 it was over.
boxer95 8y ago
45 year olds aren't doing sh*t for no one but their cats/dogs