This is inspired from posts I've seen elsewhere suggesting that psychotherapists are being inundated with people who literally cannot cope with the real world - they've been so conditioned by instagram and the likes that every moment of every day should be perfect, every meal exquisite and every human interaction a joy - that they have a breakdown when it isn't.
My thinking is this: In a world where women are being encouraged to believe that every sexual encounter should be practically a religious experience, that consent is not valid unless it's given enthusiastically every step of the way without so much as a drop of alcohol involved - and it's perfectly okay if you "felt unable to say 'no' in the moment", he still raped you and should face the consequences - where does this leave normal sexual encounters?
Because by that logic, I reckon the only sex that isn't rape is porn. And even then, not on set - only when it's been filmed, cut together and released.
No wonder women are complaining that rape isn't being taken seriously. If a woman is going to define "rape" as "any sex that I didn't enjoy or later turned out to be a bad idea", then she's in for a bit of a shock.
DadOnDabs 5y ago
I feel like society has just blurred the line between rape and a bad sexual experience
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Exactly right.
And it has not escaped women's notice that the world will protect them and not investigate the facts. She knows the police are unconditionally on her side.
So many women choose to define themselves as a victim for all these reasons - and when that decision has been made there is no going back. Everything in her life then hinges on how she has struggled due to other people (mostly men) victimising her, facts be damned.
This fucked up world has recently insisted that inanimate sex bots should consent before sex.
Sadly most of the world is still naive about how women operate, being too hell bent on proving how evil men are and how innocent women are.
jcrpta 5y ago
Actually, I don't entirely agree with this one. Time and again we hear from women who did come forward and weren't happy with how the crime was investigated.
However, every interview I've ever heard basically boils down to "I complained to the police and they had the audacity to ask me detailed questions about what happened! Then when it went to court the whole process seemed to entertain a possibility that my rapist might not have done anything wrong!
Why couldn't they just throw him in prison based on my word?"
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
You mean "wasn't happy that the man wasn't instantly imprisoned based solely on her word and conflicting evidence".
Right.... absolutely. This exactly the reasoning behind "victims must always be believed and never questioned". Obviously this only applied to female victims of men.
This is genuinely what women expect to happen, yes. Anything less and the police and judicial system are accused of being rape-enablers.
jcrpta 5y ago
Christ, where does this leave fathers of girls?
Obviously you want to protect your daughter, and you want to ensure that she's comfortable saying "no", and knows what to do if that "no" is not respected - but at the same time you're doing her a massive disservice if you let her think that society will ruin a man's life on her whim.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
This is how men think: look at the bigger picture, see both sides of the story.
This is sadly not how women think: "A woman said it, so it must be true!" and then when it happens to their father, brother or boyfriend they say "You should have chosen more carefully". In other words: always the man's fault.
TFWyourWaifuDies 5y ago
I think it's a good thing overall, not short term but long term.
Women are hypergamous and want the alphas. They eliminate the betas who dare touch them with #metoo. The problem with Chad is that he does not commit to her in a sexually liberated society. She gives gim sex but he doesn't give her commitment. He takes her most prime form and she has nothing to show for it except for being alpha widowed. So she chooses to take revenge out on him through #metoo.
This overall is a good thing (under current circumstances) because it deepens the divide between the genders and caises more social dysfunction. Eventually, men will collectively realize they can't just "enjoy the decline bro" and start doing something about it.
jcrpta 5y ago
Actually, I suspect this is where reports about teens having less sex comes from.
When you've spent your formative years being taught that women must and will gladly and enthusiastically reciprocate any sort of approach otherwise it's rape, where does that leave the slightly-nervous young man who desperately wants to get his end away but isn't sure if the object of his affections is interested?
I reckon it leaves him erring on the side of caution. Who wants to get accused of being a rapist?
DareyFathom 5y ago
Yes. Social media encourages victim mentality in all its forms.
tempolaca 5y ago
There's a very interesting paper explaining this phenomenon. It's not victim mentality, its a new social reputation system. See, many years ago we lived in a reputation system based on honor. Gentlemen and women had honor, and if you wronged the honor of a person, prepare to be fucked. You got Duels, killings, etc.
Then the occidental culture progressed to a dignity culture, when nobody can take you dignity, is something you born with. And you should forget and ignore insults.
We are progressing to a victimhood culture. It's like a reverse honor culture, but victims not expected to defend their honor, but they expect everybody else to do it. And the more victimized you are, the more reputation you have.
The article is called "Victimhood Culture in America: Beyond Honor and Dignity"
Imperator_Red 5y ago
YES. This x 1,000.
Odins-left-eye 5y ago
Not sex, but I made out with a woman who was all about it at the time, planned a second date, and sent me a bunch of texts over the next few months discussing meeting up here or seeing each other at this or that party. We never ended up taking things farther or even making out again, which was fine. But then one day she saw me disagreeing with some pussy-ass soyboy friend of hers on Facebook (I can't remember the topic, but I made a comment that was light-hearted when he was being a mopey bitch.) She said "I'm disappointed in your attitude in this thread, and it's causing me to rethink whether that night where you got handsy with me was consensual." She literally admitted right there in the comment that she was reaching back into the past and retroactively flipping the switch of her brain's intention in that moment. Doesn't matter. There is no limit to the ends women and beta orbiters will go to to support any woman, ever on this topic. Her comment got like 15 likes and everyone called me a predator and a rapist even (we never even took our clothes off!) I was like "You don't get to do that. It doesn't work that way," then just banned every single person who posted anything in the thread. In the end, they can't hurt me. They have nothing to threaten me with. She did me a favor, clearing these toxic scumbags out of my life. I'm happier for it.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
I had a girl do something similar to me recently. I was out with an ex (call her dana) and some girl and her bf (call them Gina and tony). I was having a bad night because I was going through a breakup. Dana took me out with them because she was going through a breakup as well. I thought I was going to end up with Dana, but Gina grabs me the first time we found ourselves alone and started making out with me. We kept it a secret but flirted when no one else was paying attention.
Later Dana and Tony are openly flirting and talking about a foursome with all of us. Dana and Tony went outside for a smoke and I decided to bring Gina into the bathroom for some pregame. We ended up having sex in the bar bathroom for a few minutes, but then there was a banging at the door. It was Tony and he was pissed. He wasnt mad at me though, just at her. Dana got super mad too and ended up leaving on her own. I went home after that. The next morning I got texts from Dana asking me why I "forced" Gina into the bathroom to make out with her. She followed me into the bathroom wtf.
Apparently Gina told her bf that we only made out in the bathroom, but that she was too drunk to consent and didnt want to do it in the first place. This bitch made out with me at the beginning of the night before we started drinking. We all drank the same amount together, then she claimed she was too drunk to consent, but only because she got caught! At least she didnt tell them that we had sex and she said that we only made out. She did stop short of accusing me of rape but barely. Anytime I talk to Dana she still brings up that night and how I'm so horrible for making out with a drunk chick.
Odins-left-eye 5y ago
We need a repository of these stories. People keep posting about how "rare" false accusations are, but it honestly doesn't seem that rare to me. How about #falselyaccusedtoo?
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
I would have posted on the thread, "Sorry everyone but I cannot respond to this thread anymore. My attorney has advised me not to comment on anything related to this libel suit anymore." I doubt any lawyer would take it, but she'd probably shit herself when she read it.
jcrpta 5y ago
Dicey.
The alternative is she'll dig herself in harder, decide it definitely was not consensual - and remember she honestly believes this. In her world, she's not lying.
Before you know it, you don't need an attorney to sue someone, you need a criminal defence lawyer.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Store her chats and texts. She can change her mind, but not the data.
jcrpta 5y ago
This is just it.
Back when I was in uni, I was beyond BP like you wouldn't believe. I had a good friend who was a girl and honestly, the thought of having sex with her didn't even cross my mind.
Anyhoo, one night we had a few to drink, went to bed in the same room - not for sex, I hasten to add. I complained of the cold, she invited me into bed and 3 minutes later I was licking that pussy like it was ice cream. I (foolishly) piped up "Do you think it's possible for friends to have sex?".
You have never seen someone get out of bed so fast. She asked I call her a cab, which I did.
In retrospect, I'm not sure what to make of it. This was some years ago and back then, society didn't try to turn every little bit of sexual contact into rape. Had I kept my big mouth shut I could have easily fucked her. But if the same thing happened today...
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I really don't think there are any chicks I've hung around that I didn't think about banging even once. Even if just to say, no nevermind she's gross.
jcrpta 5y ago
See, this is where I disagree slightly with RP ideas.
I think it's perfectly possible to be friends with women without harbouring a desire to take them to bed. But I also think it's necessary to recognise when you want more - which you're not going to get - and cut the friendship entirely for the sake of your own mental health.
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tentacle_ 5y ago
i have heard “you are not the father” more than otherwise
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
Yes. Losers who are to much of slobs to actually work at anything so that they can get better and win choose to be perpetual victims because they have been lied to by TV Man that there is power in victimhood.
And you normally want to be a huge victim. And the best way to be a huge victim is to screech at as many people as you can that"look at what the big bad man did to me!!!!" And since you are a slob and don't have the discipline, focus, creativity or resources with which to get people to actually pay attention, you just unload that bullshit onto the internet on social media.
And enjoy the usual "so strong so brave" circle jerk of losers. I have no respect for a man on social media. It tells me that he is not ready to take up the terrible burden of manhood yet.
geo_gan 5y ago
If you want to see actual real live tv footage of a dangerously unstable woman actually try and destroy a mans life just search for this “celebrity big brother 2018 scandal” that happened a few months ago in UK. She swore blind it happened and he did this to her and convinced others in house to believe her. He was only saved by the luck of one if the cameras picking up the incident. The funny thing is all women in country hated her after this for the damage she did to real victims and how the would not be believed after this.
HeyDontDoxMe 5y ago
It's gotten to a point where you can make false rape accusations without any form of reprisal in a legal sense.
Women with nothing to lose is exactly that. Sure, counter sue for defamation but for what...? Their Kim Kardashian make up collection? And jail time for false rape accusations will never happen.
EL_Miore 5y ago
Social Media is a method of human degeneration.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
Nah, they just enjoy ruining innocent lives.
jcrpta 5y ago
I don't think that's the case.
I think that women are running around absolutely convinced they've been raped when any objective outsider would say "No you haven't, love. At worst, you've had sex you shouldn't have".
GoyInTheStripedPJs 5y ago
Absolutely yes. It encourages people to make up silly bullshit for attention, and false claims of harassment are among the best ways for a girl to get attention on social media. In my opinion, if you ever read some elaborate story from a girl on Facebook about some interesting things that happened to her there is a ~75% chance it's completely fabricated. It's really pathetic to be honest, and to be fair men do this sort of thing too but far less on average than women.
tempolaca 5y ago
I would say yes, it encourage false rape claims. But it also encourage something far worse: to denounce the most small of transgressions (I.E. looking at a girls tits, or ass) and equaling that to rape, shamelessly calling almost everything a sexual assault, that is far worse.
It's worse because you can somehow defend yourself from false rape claims (you never were there, you were with other people, etc.) but you cannot defend from sexual assault claims. You accidentally touched a tit, you said some inappropriate joke, and that's it.
SKRedPill 5y ago
> This is inspired from posts I've seen elsewhere suggesting that psychotherapists are being inundated with people who literally cannot cope with the real world - they've been so conditioned by instagram and the likes that every moment of every day should be perfect, every meal exquisite and every human interaction a joy - that they have a breakdown when it isn't.
This is what happens when you eliminate the masculine from the world - no more strength or stability or focus. The romance might feel sweet, but it is totally out of touch with reality.
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HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Yes. There are a few factors at work here:
Bitches love attention. They need it only slightly less urgently than they need air.
Social media increases the amount of attention that a woman can get.
This is a perfect recipe for attention-seeking women to either exaggerate or outright falsify an "incident" to get attention. Why do you think so many women clustered around PoundMeToo the moment it became fashionable? Does anyone seriously think that THAT many women left THAT many rape incidents unreported?
witch_pimp 5y ago
You kind of answered your own question.
jcrpta 5y ago
Maybe I did; as much as anything else I was hoping that there could be a useful discussion around it.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Solipsistic self preservation is inherent to female nature. Taking responsibility for their actions is about as likely as spotting sharks on the beach.
Society is geared more towards the feminine imperative than it's ever been.
Combine these two factors and you have a world where anything the female feels bad about or regrets must be something done to them and not something done by them.
#MeToo
GoyInTheStripedPJs 5y ago
Interesting post man, I agree 100%.
This tendency of blaming everyone except yourself -- blame society, daddy, Donald Fhlumpthf -- is becoming increasingly prevalent among women and leftists. It's one of the most dangerous traits in a person in my opinion. If someone is unwilling to take responsibility for their actions & lacks the introspection necessary to bring themself to account, they are guaranteed to be a shitty person for life.
jcrpta 5y ago
And it goes to the core of pretty well everything RP stands against.
Instead of encouraging self-improvement, it provides a comfort blanket of "it's not your fault" and an implication of "changing it is utterly out of your control". Fat arse? Society's fault for making it difficult to eat healthily.
Unattractive to the opposite sex? Media's fault for promoting "unrealistic" standards of beauty.
No career to speak of? Government's fault for not encouraging jobs.
jcrpta 5y ago
This, I think, hits the nail on the head.
There's a British judge - a woman, to boot - who has openly said that if women didn't drink so heavily there would be substantially fewer rape cases in front of her.
Now, there's a massive grey area between "blackout drunk" and "no chance of remembering much but broadly able to function - certainly able to function enough that any man unlucky enough to take her home would think the sex was consensual".
But that's not what society is saying to these women. Society is saying that there is no grey area, you're either stone cold sober or paralytic, with nothing in between.
Then these women encounter a judge. Who's typically someone in their 50s who has been around the block a few times and if they're going to put someone behind bars for many years, they need to hear something a bit more convincing than "I would never have had sex with him sober!".
This is why men accused of rape need anonymity until found guilty. Sooner or later a young man with access to guns is going to be falsely accused.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I don't understand how rape shield laws protecting the victim's identity are constitutional. Isn't one of the rights of the defendant to publicly challenge his accuser? It's also incredible to me that evidence of the accuser's sexual past is not admissible. What if the woman literally gets blacked out drunk and goes home with a different guy every weekend? How is that not relevant to the case?
jcrpta 5y ago
The world is not the USA. Not everywhere has to care about that.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
It must be so nice to live in a country where you don't have to care about a pesky constitution. Much more efficient.
strayaura 5y ago
So much this. Criminals are not born, they are made.
themaindish444 5y ago
You guys heard of mattress girl at Columbia? She was this rich girl who made rape accusations 3 months after the fact, even though there were texts showing positive interactions between them after the alleged rape date, and then she ultimately carried a mattress around campus for her "senior project" protesting rape
allegedly/word on the street the story is that the guy involved convinced her to do anal and then ghosted her, and then she decided she was raped
Seems to fit your framework
jcrpta 5y ago
There's others I've seen - as best I can tell, a common trope is "a beta orbiter got me drunk".
Well and good, but note:
Odins-left-eye 5y ago
Talk about terror: I once woke up next to a woman who had a total blackout from the night before after just two glasses of red wine. Turns out she had taken a Valium I didn't know about. To look at her that night you wouldn't have noticed a single thing off. Fortunately she wasn't too nasty about it; just asked me to leave and I never saw her again. Honestly, your brain doesn't make different decisions than it otherwise would when you're blacked out in that fashion; it's just that the record button hasn't been pressed for those hours.
jcrpta 5y ago
Exactly - I've got my own share of stories like that where maybe the sex wasn't earth shattering, maybe the circumstances weren't perfect. I think everyone does.
It's almost as if society is deciding it's perfectly okay for a woman to attach conditions to her sexual consent, willingly jump into bed and then decide afterwards whether or not those conditions were met. And these women are absolutely convinced that this is normal.
hearse223 5y ago
Victim mentality spreads like a disease.
Throwawaysteve123456 5y ago
This is true, but the victim culture absolutely started BEFORE social media. Even before the internet. It seemed to have its antecedents in the 60's and 70's, but didn't really take off until the 90's, and absolutely exploded in the last two decades. So the victim culture hit a peak with social media. I would call SM the gasoline that was poured on an already growing fire, if that makes sense.
hearse223 5y ago
Hence things going "viral", social media influencers (influenzas), etc
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pohlrich 5y ago
By that definition I and most of the guys I know have been raped.
jcrpta 5y ago
That's exactly my point. By that definition, I think everyone on the planet has both committed rape and been raped at some point in their lives.
It's a definition that I think the SJWs of the world seem to be intent on pushing - and then they can't understand why their allegation wasn't taken seriously.
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Social media is re-energizing long-standing female behavior. Playing the victim and using it to rally others is really the only power a woman has to hurt another person.
There are parts of the world where "bitches are crazy" is still part of cultural knowledge, but this seems to be in a lot of flux these days.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Perhaps. What can be said with certainty is that socialmedia gives voice and provides an outlet to many who should remain silent.
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themaindish444 5y ago
The biggest lesson here: don't stick your dick in crazy
....or if you're gonna she better be 9-10
swordshab 5y ago
Yes, you can also add suicide / shootings to that list
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Ambersunbop 5y ago
Good I hope these bitches screaming false rape accusations actually have the guts to kill themselves.
jcrpta 5y ago
I don't think it's that simple.
Let me be clear: I am not talking about false rape accusations made out of malice. The women doing that can burn in Hell.
I am talking about situations where - for whatever reason - the woman (not the hamster) honestly believes she's been raped. She believes it because society has told her "she should be enthusiastically signalling consent throughout the whole process" and she didn't. She believes it because he was a massive disappointment.
She believes it because she's been keeping him in orbit for years, but she never meant to sleep with him.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Let's be clear if you can't say no, you are not an adult and shall not be allowed to make any decision. And there shall be an easy way to tell.
Today it is your age. If some people feel they can't assume even when they have the required age,they should wear a clear sign so you could avoid them. So a bank would not give them a mortage, and people of the opposite sex would not try to seduce them.
jcrpta 5y ago
That's wrong on several levels:
Hence why women are often better liars. They don't think they're lying - they are absolutely, 100% convinced that they're speaking the truth.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Just to be clear, the part where adults are responsible of their behavior is the law in many countries, women or men.
Sure a woman can lie and think she is right and this can be extremely problematic with consequences, for sure. But also, in particular if you have some money and connections, without actual proof, she will not achieve much, whatever how she'd like to rewrite history... If she genuinely think it she is even more vulnerable to somebody that will be able that she just imagining stuff and that evendence show she is a liar.
She may end up having to pair for reparation and it will affect her family/friends/job. This is not as easy as some here think.
Hey even some of the women that did the meetoo and all got the backfire now.
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That why is not that all common in practice. That why despite what some women are saying, there no much pratical cases. Because even the woman itself know this is bullshift or that nobody will even trust her.
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You simply don't get raped without any violance, without you saying a single time no and with you being visibly happy in the rapist presence, before doing it, while doing it and after doing it. Whatever some want us to think this is not yet accepted as standard for justice. You can't expect to win a case neither when you said it happened 30 years ago and can't get even the begining of a proof.
jcrpta 5y ago
There's a hell of a long way between a false rape claim and a man falsely convicted off the back of it.
Somewhere in the middle of that lies loss of social status, loss of job, appearing on police record checks, loss of cash paying for a defence you shouldn't have to - to pretend that you can be publicly accused of rape and just walk away from it as if nothing had happened is plain naive.
Econquest2 5y ago
get it in writing that they're 100% yours to do whatever you want with (as though it were a sex contract for some consensual total power exchange D/s kink) and have them believe it. No more problem. Then you can have straight vanilla sex and no chance of an assault claim. "hey where's all the stuff I signed up for", they'll be wondering. "I thought you said you could do whatever you want!!" they'll say (in their mind: when will you surprise and rape me already.) You, (thinking): "heheh. That's just to keep you from crying rape if you're feeling bitchy." You (out loud:) "you have to earn that...." that's how it goes.
jcrpta 5y ago
That's the whole problem.
You can get what you like in writing, if she later decides you weren't a suitable partner - for whatever reason - she'll say that it was "rape" and anything in writing was put down "under pressure".
It may or may not survive a court case - the justice system is explicitly designed to spot people making it up - but that won't help you in the court of public opinion.
strayaura 5y ago
Theres a misconception that you can't record a person with out there knowledge. The truth of the matter depends on the state, thabkfully in the great state that I live in not many people are aware of the truth.
You can 100% record a conversation or encounter (audio only) with out the consent of the other person so long as there is not a third party involved. (Its actually more technical but I'm over simplifying for brevity). I found this out through my lawyer, thankfully I recorded my ex admitting to lying about some sexual allegations. With out that recording I would have 100% landed in jail. But because of it I'm not in jail.
If your gonna bone, record her consent and keep the recording. It really helps protect you against false allegations.
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
Claiming that you have been assaulted brings attention. Women crave attention. Ding ding ding to some women who are addicted to likes and comments on social media.
And your final paragraph is true as well - once enough women cry wolf about rape it's just going to backfire on the whole culture. The Brett Kavanaugh case was a prime example of this.