Your SMV is not a static solid number. It's a variable and varies from chick to chick and even for a single chick it varies from situation to situation. Shit tests are tests chicks keep throwing left and right to every guy she is attracted to and the response all the men give creates a heirarchy of guys in her hindbrain relative to their perceived SMVs for her.
About a week ago this plate I've been spinning was telling me about a guy friend she met after years, they were friends from school and how he has changed after all these years. " He is an athlete. " " Damn I accidentally touched him ..his muscles were so hard. " " He says he hits the gym a lot. " " He's kinda tall too you know. "
As I was talking to her, I was busy doing an assignment and was paying partial attention. I didn't notice it at the time but she was probing me real hard to get a reaction out of me. I guess she was having a hard time figuring out who should be her top priority and was looking for weaknesses in me to check if I flinched. If she smelt envy, I would have failed the shit test.
I just kept replying with " mm hmm " " Yup .. " " Aha .. "
It was only after I noticed her going head over heels for me. Showing me extreme complaince that I took a moment to think what had suddenly caused this massive change from the baseline, which were a few IOIs to absolute obedience. She's suddenly good with every decision I make. Whatever I say is followed word to word no arguments, no discussions.
So.. yea .. that's it. Displayed outcome independence involuntarily ( it was so legit that I wasn't even concious about what I did ) Showed no weaknesses, passed the envy shit test and now am the top priority.
Zech4riah 5y ago
I'm always wondering what the guys are doing wrong in the beginning when this kind of heroic shit test passage must be initiated and dealt with before the guy gets girls compliance/gets her to have sex as he wants etc.
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My response to the envy shit test is, "then what's he hanging out with you for?", dead pan, calm. Wait to see if she can figure out if you're joking or not. Ego destroyer.
CookieAdmiral 5y ago
You are probably familiar with Java programming.
Ansec 5y ago
Shit tests are like school yard bullying. These are primal tests to see how you'd react when shit hits the fan. She starts mentioning a past lover and how big and strong he is. She's subconsciously trying to figure out if you'll be intimated by him if he were to ever come by. Your unflinching behavior gave her comfort that you'll be able to hold your own if he were to hypothetically came back into her life.
Kids do this same thing. They find the weakest link in the school yard and try to push that kid to see what his breaking point is. If the kid reacts by holding his or her own then the bullying stops. If the kid caves under pressure then the kid is ousted from the group.
All humans do it. You even do it and you probably don't even know.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
I agree. Thats why the best anti-bullying campaign is to teach how to punch in the face properly and A&A
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This is why the anti-bullying movement is so fucking stupid and doomed to failure. Every non-soy male knows, either consciously or subconsciously, that bullying is just dominance hierarchy behavior that every single social mammal practices. You get a bunch fucking retarded middle aged liberal women who think they can solve the problem by explaining to the bully that his actions are wrong. No shit. He knows that. If you ask him why he's doing it, he won't be able to give a coherent answer. He's just behaving like the social animal that he is.
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GL_QUAD 5y ago
Mhmmm. Kids are evil. Morality-void, unfiltered, uncivilized, raw savagery.
The phenomenon of bullying... is an evolutionary strategy, where the youth of a social group team up to find the weakest individual among their own with the purpose of excluding this individual (that is, killing them by proxy). You ever wonder what is the deal with schools and bullying? Well, it is just these kids doing what they do with little to no adult authority to prevent them from their doings; "bullying is bad", say the campaigns - sure, but if these kids manage to destroy one victim, they will then move onto another weakest link; furthermore, if a bullied weakling is transferred to another school, there is high probability that the bullying will continue - with a different set of perpetrators, that is.
The purpose of this evolutionary strategy is to kill of the weaklings. And while the first-instance initiators of bullying are oftentimes the primitive kids (e.g. not the sharpest tools in the drawer), the strategy did carry on along with mankind.
As people age (or take the case of women, in general), the art of bullying gets a more sophisticated, indirect, plausibly-deniable coating. In its bare form, it is still the same thing, though.
Kind of almost makes you wonder what sort of an animal man is.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Man is a base animal with a thin veneer of 'respectiability'.
At least a lion is honest that he wants to est you. I can respect that.
Ansec 5y ago
It's survival instinct. We're a tribal species and we depend on each other for that survival. We constantly test our friends, coworkers, family etc. It's the reason ostracism is viewed with the same fear as death.
LoveLord1000 5y ago
This sounds like bullshit to me. In our historical environment, large groups of children wouldn't be regularly excluded from older individuals and adults in anyway like they are in modern schools. Besides most children don't bully, and most only passively assist the main bully. It seems more like an evolved tactic that is innate to some but not all humans.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
In our historical environments, youth would band together and venture far outside the bounds of the village/tribe. Also even within the bounds of the tribe youth would constantly test each other, the proper respinse would give Honour to the youth and to his family. The wrong response lost Honour. Unlike modern environments, bullying was not discouraged and was seen as a way to test mettle.
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Women do not live in an observable and measurable reality like men do. She was testing your sense of value because she has no capacity to measure it for herself.
no_face 5y ago
Here is an excellent primer on shit tests from a woman's POV.
Azevse 5y ago
What the fuck am I reading, get the fuck out with this bullshit.
ethbytes 5y ago
Admire OR need? What about both? Would that then become admire and want, not need... TRP utopia?
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That's like the basis of AWALT man.
no_face 5y ago
Women want to admire, need AND adore their man. Thats when they are happiest. But even one of three is great.
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DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
Any shit test by a plate is easy to pass, as long as one thought remains constant at the core of your frame:
You are fucking her, and it's not costing you a god damn thing.
Women are all hard-wired to do the same dumb thing that inevitably leads them to sadness and boredom: trading sex for social status and material bullshit that they think will make them happier. The apotheosis of their sexual strategy, the absolute apex that nature designed them to achieve, is to move from high-value man to high-value man, incentivizing him with sex (far and away her most valuable commodity) to give more and more up to her, gradually betafying him in the process, draining him dry of both resources and sexual attractiveness, until she feels justified in transitioning as smoothly as possible to a man she perceives as "better". They are not designed to get happiness; they are designed to get stuff. Women do not exhibit hypergamy; they are hypergamy.
You keep this as the center of your frame and you'll realize the depth and desperation with which she is failing at her biological purpose by fulfilling the role of plate for you. She is giving you access to her most valuable asset (sex), the thing which is mostly closely tied to her emotional and mental stability, and where all of her bargaining power and agency lies, for the price of absolutely nothing.
Why in God's name would you give even a single shit about the things a plate says to you? That would be like someone sitting at a blackjack table down $25,000, talking shit about how the casino is sub-standard and there are probably better options across the street. You think the casino gives a shit? No. Regardless of whatever she says, your plate has made her bed, and you're busting nuts on the sheets cost-free.
kmoelite 5y ago
Extremely well written take.
gbdoragnic 5y ago
> You are fucking her, and it's not costing you a god damn thing.
except himself and time, her body isn't worth any more than his.
> She is giving you access to her most valuable asset (sex),
only in blue pill world is she giving you value, it's true value is 0, or at the very least no more valuable than your body. If you interneralize this belief you will give me naturally , sex is free, and you don't have to be all that
LukesLikeIt 5y ago
Exactly. They key is to want nothing from her or appear to. If you want to fuck and she’s down great otherwise you have so many girls lined up who gives a fuck
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carbonhexoxide 5y ago
What was your reaction to the second one?
LukesLikeIt 5y ago
To check his phone every 5 minutes to see if she replied
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vetiarvind 5y ago
sounds like a tramp..dunno why you'd want to mess with her unless she's a plate
slyindoorsmoke 5y ago
Very well put, and great post!
MilkMoney111 5y ago
I know there's a lot of different races of men on here but I want to add that women use race as an envy shit test as well. Whatever race you are, women will bring up a different race and talk about how attractive they are.
It's a touchy subjective but I wanted to let you guys know, even if you have some deep rooted race issues you're working through. Recognize it as a shit test and play with her. If she's going on about some guy she likes you can just say something so small and subtle like ".. yeah I can see that." And leave it at that, watch her hamster spin like crazy.
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foreignbois 5y ago
I don't know dude that sounds like a you insecurity rather than she shit testing you, if she's interested i doubt she's having "second thoughts" solely because youre x race or y race
Darthmorelock 5y ago
That's not what the commenter is saying. If you are a white male, and if you have a racial bias, you are more likely to be threatened by the prospect of her with a black man than another white man. OR Visa Versa. I'm not endorsing this behaviour in any way shape or form, but historically most KKK lynches involved the victim being interested in a white woman.
Back to milkmoney's comment, he's simply saying that especially if you are racially biased, recognize her saying "I think Asian people are so hot." Is a shit test to see if you react with envy. If you do, it would make her think that you are beta and a racist.
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womans_algorithm 5y ago
Plate or fwb? I was under the impressions that you only hang out with plates when you fuck, not when you do assignments.
maverick9759 5y ago
Haha is it ? My idea of the whole plate theory is just spreading your investments across a set of women instead of just one woman, you don't necessarily need to fuck all the plates either, Rollo keeps repeating that every now and then. Although personally I fuck all my plates and drop them if they don't respond actively. Btw here she was not at my place or something. I was out in the college canteen and she decided to visit.
womans_algorithm 5y ago
I don't think that that Rollo ever said you can have a plate who you don't fuck, but would love to be proved otherwise.
THE_EVIL_EYE_IS_REAL 5y ago
He says it in "The Rational Male". Page 43- "Spinning plates does't necessarily mean you're having sex with all of your plates. It's more of a spreading out of your efforts across a wider pool of subjects."
womans_algorithm 5y ago
I see. I was more so looking at HumanSockPuppet's guide to training your bitches (sidebar), where he says:
Plate -or- Fuck Buddy. You have sex with this girl more than once. You will know her name and just enough about her life so you can schedule sexual encounters. You may also know a little bit about her personally, so you can help her rationalize being your fucktoy, assuming she's uncomfortable about the idea of being one. Otherwise, she's down with it and you're both satisfied with being casual. She is a temporary answer to a physical necessity.
So being a fucktoy implies sex, imo.
Scorptice 5y ago
Thank You for the Citation
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
I struggle with the "girls talking about other guys" thing in general. I hate it. Of course, like you, I just say "mhm", "okay", and "yep", when it happens. On the inside, though, I'm dying. It hurts like hell hearing a girl obsessing over some guy knowing you've never been in that position. And, truly, until I've confirmed some girl has talked about me in the same way I hear girls talk about other guys, my insides will continue to churn.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Heres a simple solution: whenever you feel your inside chrun that the girl isnt obseesing about you, tell her to give you a sloppy blowjob.
If she does, you win. If she doesn't say that she just missed out on the best polish sausage shes ever tasted and that you are going to enjoy it yourself. You win again
Follow my advice and you always win = no more insecurity. You win
Kurush559 5y ago
I cant link the post here - but there's a post somewhere about dealing with the emotional issue you're having. Just search 'hobo investment portfolio' in trp and you'll find it. Its by a user called ShitsWithTheDoorOpen
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
I read it and understood it. but, the "True Nature of Women" article one of the mods linked in the comments was even better. I favorited it. It was a really good piece. Made me understand that other people experience this too. I feel a lot better about it.
MCFiletMignon 5y ago
Sounds like you might fail this particular shit test
SloppyNun 5y ago
I don't even want to beat around the bush on this one: no matter how much you think a girls opinion on you matters, it really fucking doesn't whatsoever. You're just insecure my man, and the hard truth is that no validation from any girl is going to fix that issue- it's an issue rooted in yourself, and the way you think.
Learning to genuinely not give a fuck about the opinions of others is the only way you'll keep a remotely healthy mental state. Relying on others opinions of you so much that your "insides will continue to churn" is honestly just sad broski. What you detailed is a fixable issue and I hope you can find it within yourself to make some necessary changes very soon.
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
I know. i've been working on it. it's like any validation or accomplishment I do for myself is noncomparable to the joy that comes from someone else saying "good job". one day, I hope to change that completely.
renzo_0078 5y ago
How what is the first step SloppyNun
LukesLikeIt 5y ago
Just assume people already like you, or dislike you if you prefer. Either way you don’t try to change how people you interact with feel about you. That way you can start to be yourself. When you gain confidence in yourself you can start to love someone else.
SloppyNun 5y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. Fake that idgaf mentality until it becomes real and boom, you're set.