Im investing in my teeth, mainly for myself but is working to improve the smv too. Orthodontics is a good investment, together with lift, exercise, etc

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I've noticed this in some male co-workers. They'll do/try/say something that I've done while flirting to female co-workers but then get confused when instead of getting the playful, flirty reaction that I get, they get told they are creepy, weird and that if it continues will be reported as harassment.

The difference between me and them? I hit the gym, have good hygiene, know how to read body language and social cues. Oh, and I do more than talk about anime and stupid shit on youtube.

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I was under the impression that lifting made your face look better as well, as you move closer to ideal body fat percentage. Anyways thats what I noticed in myself.

Also if you get plastic surgery fo your face, youre a bitch. That face is your ancestors legacy, and youre gonna be ashamed of it?

Theres no such thing as an ugly guy. Its a guy with too much fat or too little, or his wallet is too small etc etc

What does SMV stand for?

That makes it sooo much easier. When you have nothing to go on, being called a creep, makes it sound like creep is something innate. Something you can't change about you.

Now, you should know that when you feel repulsed by fatties, girls feel that way about creeps. Its a simple matter of not liking you.

Now that you know it, you can change it. Work out, grow some fucking masseters on your face. Facial aesthetics ftw bitch. And then do your little shit. I'll bet you, 90% of the bitches callin you a creep, won't be doing that shit anymore.

unless you're socially inept. Which is entirely fine, you'll gain social experience as you go along. Just, don't keep doing bluepill over the hill sweet shit. That is just frowned upon over here at trp.

100% honest girl here. I agree with most TRP advice but I do NOT find bodybuilders attractive. I think they're actually quite scary. Every girl has her own preferences and in China some girls tell their boyfriends to stop working out because they like them skinny. Personally I think the perfect balance is a soccer player: toned but not huge.

Yeah this is the shallow truth about society, attractive people are better off.

i go out of my way to creep out girls, because i don't give a fuck. more than half "dig it" and accept it,the other half are creeped out. do i give a fuck?? fuck no.

tl;dr LIFT, you can be as "creepy" as you want once your SMV is up

What's SMV again?

There are far more reasons than physical aesthetics to get into exercise. I have a serious dandruff problem; if I go more than 16 hours without showering and shake my hair, the immediate space around my head becomes a snow globe. I started running a mile and a half every morning last week and I've noticed that my dandruff has gotten better. It also helps with stress and ergo helps with acne, both things that are really important for facial aesthetics. And it helps you wake up and feel better. Just fucking work out, and if you're not working out, what the fuck are you doing on this subreddit?-- that's how important it is. You educate yourself to satisfy your intellectual nature, but as you are still human you need to exercise to satisfy your beastly nature.

I get where OP is coming from but I've met plenty of women who take it too far. For example, I was chatting with this petite blond after class a few years back and one of my male classmates approaches and asks some questions about the homework. He is/was at the bottom of the totem pole physically and socially and the girl was visibly distraught. He finally went on his way after a while. She turned to me and started saying things like, "So creepy..." "I was like, yeah I really don't want to fuck you buddy(referring to my classmate)" It was like she was offended that the guy breathed the same air as her.

It's funny, that this pop ups here just now.

The following might sound a little bit awkward...

Since I worked on my appearance, lost over 40 pounds and recieved many compliments for my look from high smv women I am struggling with giving attention to ugly women. Never had that problem before.

To overcome my approach anxiety I made it a rule to try to make eyecontact with anybody I meet anywhere and try to "dominate" them, so basically don't be the one to look away first.

I found it hard to do this with ugly chicks the past two weeks because I am somehow scared to make them want me. The thought alone makes me cringe everytime and I quickly look away. Worst is, when they smile at me. I just cannot force myself to keep the eyecontact.

Anybody else experienced this kind of behavoiur on oneself?

Sometimes even attractive girls can give me a creep vibe. A girl who's in shape can also be the biggest creep. Whenever I encounter a drunk-ish girl at a bar or club who's on a mission, I just get disgusted. Sometimes you meet girls who are just dying to get laid, and they talk really close to your face and laugh at every single fucking thing you say, and press their tits against you. It's disgusting, they look like utter fools. She's not a creep, she's just sad to watch.

I am a LoneArab, hence my SMV is automatically low unless I grow a kick-ass beard, and rock a jacked body.

except for a man body language and tone are how are you portray SMV..

I would say its more analagous to a high SMV guy going up to a girl and saying "I would bury my dick so far up your ass whoever pulled out would be crowned the new King Arthur", girl responds well and they hit off and end up fucking 20 minutes later. Low SMV guy hears what he says and saw the reaction it got so he goes and tries the same line except he's fidgety, with terrible posture and stutters and mumbles his way through the line whilst staring at her feet and is thus met with a slap and a drink to the face.

As long as you're not actually BEING a creep by an objective measure, why would you care if someone else thinks you're creepy? Life is too short to worry about the opinions of people who have no power over you. That guy "pulling a dime" certainly doesn't. Lift because it feels great to be healthy, not to change people's minds about you.

This is why I don't like TRP's glorification of men.

We do the same thing women do. It's just that the "threshold" for a fuckable man is higher than the threshold for a fuckable woman.

But hang on, if we just be ourselves, express our feelings and be kind, friendly and helpful we'll be inundated with hot women 24/7! We don't need to do all that lifting that arseholes and bad boys do all day!

I know all this because women told me, so it must be true. /s

This reminds me of an experience I had. One girl, let's call her Eight, was trying to fit me for the role of beta provider. Me being clueless at the time, got used for about 8 months as her time bitch (I once picked her up from a party where she treated me to the tale of the bro who came inside of her when he said he wouldn't).

She had a friend named Seven who I treated with indifference and mockery. Seven predictably wanted me badly. They would get into debates over me. Eight would swear up and down that I was creepy as fuck, while Seven argued how awesome and sexy I was.

Seductive behavior towards Seven was met with a gallery of smiles and a parade of fondling. Eight responded to similar behavior as if I were slowly skullfucking her father's severed head while inviting her to floss her teeth with my inflamed hemeroids.

Ironically, Seven ended up getting herpes from her second partner at age 18 (it wasn't me). While Eight has surpassed the 30 shaft milestone at age 20 with no permanent afflictions.

We are living in a sexual dystopia where the innocence of our youth gets devoured by mentally abused sex hyenas. Concepts like Utilitarianism are feeble whispers from the past that cannot be heard over the deafening roar of the orgy. Vamipiric husks just shuffle from one cesspit to another in search for the next victim to cannibalize. As you lay in the ruins of your neglected dignity with sexual fluids pooling from every shaft and orafice with your soul screaming out for salvation to a god who could not bear to look at you any longer just know that it didn't have to end like this.

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When you have low SMV talking to women is like diffusing a bomb. Yeah it's possible to do it, but your time and energy is much better spent improving yourself.

The #1 piece of advice on this sub is to LIFT. And it's amazing advice. Unless you have tons of money for operations, your face isn't going to get much better looking

Actually if you lift a lot and cut body fat, often your face does improve as well. You lose that doughy rounded look and get a more cut defined jawline. So yeah...lift.

"Creepy" is just a more socially acceptable and more effective (in terms of mating strategy) way of saying "gross".

However, while increasing LMS is important, especially looks, following the advice of pick-up, which is to say increasing the amount of interaction you have with women and expressing yourself more (verbally and physically, which includes being sexually assertive) is also important, and crucial - if you don't follow that advice you won't get laid even if you have extremely high LMS. Pick-up is just about application. But we should obviously study attraction and try to adopt what attributes have been proven to be valuable in that field, so that we can optimize that application.

This lift sh*t needs to stop. I lift and have been constantly for the last 3 yrs. If you're fat, lift. If you aren't you simply need to get out get more experience

A.K.A. the difference between MRA guys and TRP guys....

MRA guys = creep acceptance

TRP guys = stop being a creep and lift weights

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I disagree. I've never got a 'creepy' feeling from any female who's come on to me regardless of how attractive or unattractive they are. I think the creepy thing is a female thing TBH.

Yeah I getcha, there was a huge mexican girl putting the moves on me and I thought it was kind of creepy.

That bodybuilding post is hilarious!

Great observation! Reminds me of the SNL skit with Tom Brady. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426

I actually had a day dream about the "creep vibe" yesterday and figured out it was all based on value/looks and exposes women for the shallow holes they are. Think of it like this, Imagine you're Brad Pitt walking down the street surrounded by women, you select on and start dating her, she will tell everyone that it's true love because out of everyone he chose you, Being brad pitt you agree because as guys for some reason we play along with there bullshit. So now she has her true love and because you selected her. Now say your Brad jones the plumber and you walked up to a women and just said hi randomly but nicely, she would 9/10 times egh sorry, or ignore you. Where's the at of all the women you selected me mentality? it isnt there, the best way to get over this hump is be creative and have some kind of silly fairy tale approach and she will fall for that nonsense, give her a story to be apart of. Also it's only a creep vibe if you don't succeed, if you succeed then you have courage, "swag", game, "something about you" whatever excuse they make up for being honest with themselves for sleeping with you.

This is a shit post to the peak and not red pill theory whatsoever... first of all "hot or not"? I assume it's a place that you can red up vote pretty girls and blue down vote ugly ones... no? Oh thats r/gonewild... don't go on that bs. Stop looking at girls online... go out and meet them. Second, you're comparing emulation of girls online to guys emulating guys in the real world. It's apples and oranges... that's why there's game. Third, it's comparing looking at pics vs interacting in real life... are you creeped out by fat chicks pictures? Then like a TV show you don't like, GTFO of that site. Women in real life get creeps that push to hard at the bar after a 10th jack and coke and won't leave them alone... do these fat chicks follow you and beg for a "hot" vote? No! So who fucking cares if they try to be sexy and post pics in lingerie? Honestly this is the worst comparison of what a guy/girl creep is... neediness is what makes someone a creep. Not pictures, not online, not even close. People are creepy in real life only if you don't like like it, close your browser and go outside and run or maybe go actually creep some girls out and practice game.

I politely decline fat chicks. There's no reason to be particularly mean or rude, which I often see with women who are approached by timid or low SMV men.

One thing you missed is that if a guy acts beta, needy, supplicating the girl would ditch him in a sec, even if the girl was after him before.

I'd argue working on the contents of your wallet and assorted pricey status symbols yields better results than working on ones physique considering the effort required, UNLESS you go the steroids et al route, which will get you desired/desirable results quickly (in a single cycle for most), making the investment/return ratio very worthwhile.