Hypergamy 101 - Women View Men How Men See Jobs was written by /u/Garl_Vinland
Intro
While in the trenches of askTRP, I noticed multiple common misconceptions regarding hypergamy. I was even challenged by an anti-TRPer to demonstrate its existence with scientific studies, [here]( https://archive.is/Jgzhl), along with the typical neckbeard incel slurs.
"As for understanding women, I find it interesting how redpillers never reference, you know, science or psychology when trying to defend ridiculous claims. Like that WOMEN are hypergamous? [...] How can you understand the nature of anything without science?"
edit: What happens when you present a study to people like this
I want to make the phenomenon more clear.
Definition
["Women don't want to win, they want a winner"]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmw2YRJ1LY0) - Patrice O'neil (RIP). They don't want to be superior or have equality, they want a man that is smarter, faster, stronger, taller, better looking, 'richer', more 'popular' -- better than themselves. This, dear reader, is what hypergamy is, the desire for someone above them, the entitlement to a higher class male. The nurse wants a doctor, the stewardess wants a pilot, the secretary wants her boss. How often do you see this happen with the genders reversed?
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Hypergamy applies to all women. AWALT. This is not debatable; this is law. All women from all demographics want a man better than themselves. Whether or not they're capable of acquiring such a man is a completely different matter.
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Who Qualifies?
In addition, as given by the [Pareto Principle]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle), the men that meet this criteria must be in the top 20% (optimally and in their context, discussed later). This is the observance that 80% of the effects are typically caused by 20% of the causes.[80%_of_the_sex_is_had_by_20%_of_the_males.jpg]( http://i0.wp.com/www.musingsonlifeandlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Sex-2-Superstud-+-regular-dudes.jpg?resize=500%2C250). This even applies to the principle itself, as stated [here]( https://archive.is/Fog1f).
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Promiscuity_doesn't_trickle_down.img (Inspiration: here), it stays at the top, then the leftovers of the once ripe fruit fall to the floor for the scavengers. More depth provided, here (Mod awarded point for it).
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Hypergamy is Subjective, Not Objective
This process is not logical, you can't negotiate desire. Just like [how a woman determines consent]( https://archive.is/EuJO3) (also, [here]( https://archive.is/UTmQa)), which man she deems 'better' or more 'alpha' is solely contingent on how she feels in that moment, who she perceives to be the best. Women are not like men who have an absolute threshold: 1,0 -- bang, no bang. Their judgment is relative and consequently, who they perceive to be the 'better' man constantly fluctuates because...
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Hypergamy is Contextual
/u/BurgundyCarpet and I had a three comment discussion that resulted in a revelation, [here]( https://archive.is/dciHz). Civilization (agricultural society) has only existed for the past 10,000 years, only a fragment of human existence. The majority of our time was spent in nomadic hunter-gatherer societies of maximum of ~150 individuals ([Dunbar's Number]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number)). Why Dunbar's Number? Here.This is the environment our instincts evolved, in this case, women. Before civilization, the 'alpha' was based on this small group of people, who's members rarely changed. But as faster means of travel, advanced technology, and relaxed social norms regarding intergender relations were developed, her 'contexts' multiplied and began to blend, not just her 'tribe' anymore. Who is 'alpha' is no longer certain. The 'alpha' in her math class is not the 'alpha' in her english class. The 'alpha' at work, is not the 'alpha' at home. The 'alpha' at the bar is not the 'alpha' at the coffee shop.
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Unlike any other time before the industrial revolution, women are being exposed to men outside her immediate vicinity from around the world whether it's from social media, television (celebrities), and any people she encounters in everyday life. She is being overloaded with indicators of status, she is confused. The needle on her tingles compass is spinning all over the place. You are competing with men you can't see. When you are with her, your perceived status fluctuates every time you venture from one context and enter another. It is completely relative.
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Hypergamy Standards Shift Depending on Relationship Status
When she is 'single', you're competing with every man in her physical and virtual contexts. When she is 'taken', you're only competing with 'her man'.
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What Satifies Hypergamy the Most?
The traits most sought after by women are not facial aesthetics, not muscularity, and not fortune, but social status and pre-selection by women (Can coexist, but not mutually exclusive). Note: this reality is not an excuse to give up on life or with girls just because you're not famous. Keep learning, keep lifting, keep improving.
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Test: What do you do when a girl asks if you have a girlfriend? Answer: Say yes (read: preselection).
- Translation: By 'girlfriend', she means, "Is there a girl in your life willing to have sex with you on a consistent basis?"
Final Note
I would like to remind the newer guys here that female nature is not right, it's not wrong, it just is. The very things we sometimes complain about women: being irrational, emotionally unstable, fickle, and in this case,ruthlessly hypergamous, is what makes them a woman. These are not bugs, they are features. AWALT. To eradicate these features would mean she is no longer a female. [It's in their nature]( http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&TheScorpionandtheFrog).
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The End
Recommended Reading
"Sex Positivity Does Nothing for Men" by /u/CisWhiteMaelstrom
- Guilded Twice, 645points
rpscrote 9y ago
My answer: Depends on your definition of girlfriend
capt_behindsight 9y ago
That average isn't even worth the effort. One critique; a woman doesn't just want a man better than her; she wants the best man she can get within her range.
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[deleted] 9y ago
The average American girl is 5'4 167 pounds?
Jesus H Christ. Is that confirmed?! That's damn near obese on average.
Chinzon 9y ago
That's heavier than I am and I'm a 5'7 145lb male! BTW, quick qhestion- so you say you have a gf when a girl asks, what do you do after that?
GG_oatnut 9y ago
When she asks "do you have a girlfriend? Simply reply yes, but were not Facebook official yet
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Better still, imply you have plates who wish they were your girlfriends:
Tingles ensue
VinylGuy420 9y ago
Its a shit test, agree and amplify. Basically be sarcastic, this demonstrates it was a stupid question to ask in the first place and the need to test you to see if your answers of a bitch or a man are drop.
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dr_warlock 9y ago
yup.
(Source) [Average Height]
boxofcookies101 9y ago
Damn that's fucked. Mfs gotta stop regularly dicking these big women.
JackRayner_ 9y ago
They won't. There are countless willing betas lining up for the opportunity to get their dicks wet anyway that they can.
A personal example: A righteously unrepentant blue pill high school friend of mine, which I'd been trying to help for years to no effect, recently fucked (and got into a very short lived relationship with) a woman so disgusting that he is essentially dead to me.
I wish he would have fucked some pudgy cunt instead of the ~42 year old bar troll that he bagged. fucking gag
dr_warlock 9y ago
That's like telling vultures not to wait for lions to kill and eat their prey first, then feast on the leftovers. Mind you vultures have special bacteria in their digestive tract that allows them to consume rotten flesh.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Well I see plenty of girls taller and thinner, and shorter and fatter. Average is just that, the average. Think about it, there are going to be girls at every rank of the scale, 1-10. Probably have the biggest number in that 5-7 range and the amount would shrink obviously at either end. but a 5'9" 110lb model and a 5'4" 200lb bowling ball make a 5'6" 165lb girl.
epixs 9y ago
You indeed are lucky, my college campus is full of so many overweight muffintop women....it really sucks. Most of them hide it with their oversized shirts and yoga pants, but fortunately you can't hide the face fat.
This also leads to normal weight women, a rare occurrence, to have even more inflated egos and SMV. And of course, the dimes are like your 1% that literally have so much power its ridiculous.
SocialJusticeWhiner 9y ago
You poor bastard. I live in one of the fittest places in the US. Very few fatties but if you travel an hour the people are super fat and no one goes to the gym... Especially women.
DocRedPill 9y ago
Great post. I've been around here for a little over a year now through various reddit accounts, TRP IRC, and applying these things to my life. I very recently started to develop somewhat of a oneitis for a girl I thought to be LTR material, who ended up fucking her ex boyfriend.
I lost the frame that I spent so much time developing, all due to losing sight of AWALT. I did fail myself, and while posting this is more for me to get some keyboard time in and analyze the whole thing for myself, some part of it is to tell anyone else who might read this to never forget that AWALT is real and hypergamy is simply fact.
It's an odd feeling to have, when banging bar sluts with emotional disconnect becomes boring, and the desire to have more meaningful relationships becomes more priority, to still have to understand that regardless of what you want, losing sight of what the OP is speaking of here will lead to failure. It lead to mine and it will lead to yours if your head ends up in your ass and out of the game. She's constantly on the game whether she realizes it or not, but with what we all know here, we should be able to be a step or two ahead.
This leads into another point I'd like to make before going back to my martini. You can read all you want here, study blogs and watch videos, chat with redpill colleagues and develop theory all day, but until you apply these things to your own life and really live it, "don't lose frame" doesn't mean much.
Emotionally disconnected casual sex with some girl whose name you barely remember tonight, and whose face you won't think about tomorrow is easy. The possibility of a transition phase from a fuck or two into a potential LTR, if that's what you do desire, can be difficult from what I've found.
Once again, never lose sight of what is spoken about here, and this post covers it well.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Why do you keep creating new accounts? Just have one for TRP and another for everything else.
DocRedPill 9y ago
I create a new one every 6 months or so. No reason to have too much of a post history.
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jimjackjoe 9y ago
and even within the individual contexts, there is probably constant confusion for her over who the alpha is. like in a math class, the students don't spend enough time together or interact enough to even establish a clear alpha in most cases. is it the smart dude? is it the jock? is it the funny, cocky guy? hard to tell. plus the teacher is gonna be the alpha a lot of the time, but he's 42 and fat. this must be confusing as shit for chicks.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Maybe the neckbeard had a point though?
Hear me out: Maybe people would not hate TRP as much if we actually had data and cold facts to back up red-pill concepts.
Should we care about those people hating us? Probably not. But unless you've had your heart ripped out and devoured by a she-devil, it's hard to relate to what some might call: derogatory circle-jerk, because there is barely any science on this subreddit.
I know for people who are unplugged, TRP makes logical sense, and part of being unplugged is realizing the data that supported red-pill truth is buried deep.
But why is that? Why aren't we using this resource to our advantage?
kinklianekoff 9y ago
most of what we talk about here is not studied by science, and some is not feasible to study properly anyway.
the core argument against OP is that what we talk about here needs to be covered by science to hold any value or truth. it's a cheap way of discrediting anything you disagree with. it's very powerful with todays broadly, but thinly, informed internet users.
dr_warlock 9y ago
People against TRP don't want studies, they want to uphold their bluepill ideology and shame you to feel good about themselves. I've said it before, here
DuncanMonroe 9y ago
I don't disagree. But I'd still like to see data
RPmatrix 9y ago
Or you can go this route
Brain Connectivity Study Reveals Striking Differences Between Men and Women
Penn Medicine Brain Imaging Study Helps Explain Different Cognitive Strengths in Men and Women
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2013/12/verma/
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Yeah that sounds about right. I guess it just shows how primal we still are heart.
We like to use facts to support our agenda, but as soon as they're used against us, against a belief we've held our entire life, it means naught. Thanks for clarifying.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Obligatory
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fantastic post. I find it wonderful that such a platform to dissect the female mind and discuss it so efficiently exists. What is crazy is that women are doing all this 'subconciously'.They have no idea of what they are doing and their intentions might be sincere (you can never know!) but subconcioulsy their ingrained DNA and genes are masterminding their entire life
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antariusz 9y ago
Ugh, you mean those creepy misohgynists on reddit, they are all virgin neckbeards, they only say that stuff because they hate women.
... Don't worry, TRP is not going mainstream anytime soon, enjoy the decline.
franklyforthright 9y ago
The first rule of the red pill is don't talk about the red pill please don't talk about the red pill so we can fuck the sloots
[deleted] 9y ago
I have to concede that while I come to this forum more out of curiosity's sake, it is hard to really find any practical examples that work outside of the structure you describe. I think any reasonable person would have to agree that once they put their romantic notions asides, this applies to an overwhelming number of women, though a similar logic can obviously be applied to men.
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I didn't say the 'same', I said 'similar'.
Many men will trade up when given the opportunity. Even if their criteria is different you might not classify it as hypergamy, a man will still move on from one woman to another, whether it be because she is younger, or more attractive.
Sure, the men that you describe would also like multiple partners as well. But who ever they have as a steady partner can be traded in when the next best thing comes along.
[deleted] 9y ago
Fantastic write up.
This sounds like a wicked reality but the reasons behind it reveal an awesome light side that should make you thankful to be a man. All of our mating strategies came from how we evolved. The reason we evolved to be this way is because men get rewarded for being smarter, faster, stronger, taller, better looking, 'richer', more 'popular' than women do.
Look at two extreme cases. Genghis Khan and Cleopatra were a man and a woman who took the social status contest and won it hard. Genghis Khan though, was a lot better at making sperm than Cleopatra was at renting out her uterus, go figure. Despite her reputation for a high libido, she had four children. On the contrary, Genghis Khan had so many that 1/200 people on Earth are supposedly of his blood line. Obviously, men and women are gonna evolve to fuck accordingly.
Fact is, it's just better to be the smarter, faster, stronger, taller, better looking, 'richer', more 'popular' person. Men get rewarded in ways unimaginable to women. You might say that it's unrealistic to be a Genghis Khan and you're probably right. But is it really unrealistic to be better off than a slut, a spinster, a career woman, or even a RPW who services another man for most of her life? I'd have to be one pathetic excuse for a man to prefer either of those options than to reach alpha male status and I'd have to be a pathetic excuse for a man to think the gravel in my gut in a price too high to pay for that status.
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I see your point and would even agree, but if you look at the numbers being a man is hard. For every Genghis Khan you got thousands, if not millions of pawns that died for his cause, for his fame. These pawns are (mostly) men. It's not only about potential, but about the necessity of being awesome. Men go all in or end up being pawns with almost no return at all.
Modern women on the other hand have to...exist. A 6 or 7 will always find some guy that will take care of her. And with government and modern industries in the picture, you got a whole society that exists to cater to her needs. Imagine a world where you can go into a bar, tell a good looking girl to give you a blowjob and she will just do it. And pay for the drink you enjoy while being served by her.
To get to the comfort and luxuary level of an average women you already have to be quite high up in the hierarchy. You might be thankful for the potential you have as a man and I do agree with that. Men might conquer the world, fly to the moon and do whatever they want. But in the end, men are not abusive sociopaths on average. Thus, they want a women in their life and they will share their living standard with her. No matter how far you got to the top, women will be there enjoying the show for free. In the end, society needs to take care of women or it won't exist for long. Women always win their share by simply existing. That's not the bad end of the deal either....
Stradivorius 9y ago
In the end, society needs to take care of women or it won't exist for long. http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/06/12/artificial-wombs-the-coming-era-of-motherless-births/ Juts going to leave this here.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Good comment. The only bit I have to disagree with is the part in bold
The ways in which men get rewarded for being smarter, faster, stronger, taller, better looking, 'richer', more 'popular' are far from unimaginable to women because they get those rewards just for being attractive.
But I like your overall perspective that, provided you are willing to work hard to become a top 20% man, there really is no way you could be better off as a woman (at least not long term when your youthful good looks have disappeared).
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My dad taught me to play chess when I was three years old. He played his hardest every single game. I might have left five pieces hanging per turn but he'd sit and think about the absolute best way to rock a three year old. I started studying books, playing against myself, going to chess club and attending lectures, playing in my head, and did everything necessary to eventually beat him. It took me six years to win a game and seven to win every game. The feeling of pride, the genuine understanding of the game, the character lessons learned, and the way of deposing the house alpha at something meaningful was a much better feeling than the wins themselves. It was something I could take with me and something that's repeatedly served me to this day.
My ex girlfriend's father had a similar approach. He was an old Russian so he took the game seriously. She never beat him though. She quit citing that he never let her win as his reason. This chick was also big into feminism and wanted to beat him to prove her girl power. It really seemes to mean a lot to her. I offered to help coach her since I can probably kick her dad's ass in chess. She said no, because he still wouldn't let her win. Now, had he let her win what do you think would have happened? Would she have learned a lesson? Would she have taken anything with her? Would she get any deep understanding or character building? No. She would have felt peculiarly special for five minutes, laughed, and maybe went out for ice cream afterwards.
That's a woman's life. My ex knew he'd ideally be letting her win. She wanted it. She knew it wasn't real or equal skill. Women have the same thoughts about work. Do you seriously think they believe an AA engineer is as competant as a man? No. They want the momentary shallow bullshit that they can't take home. They know the same thing about sex. Women's lives are hollow and empty because they don't have the struggle that makes a Man. They leave their 20s with nothing. You leave it with what you'll build. Don't get me wrong, women get serious perks but don't forget to thank God that you're a man. Women are oppressed; they're just oppressed by biology rather than the patriarchy. Females probably win 90% of the chess games get play as a gender, but I'd rather play for real as a man.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
I take your point, they don't get the satisfaction of having truly earned the rewards - but they nevertheless do get the rewards.
Off topic, your little anecdote is ridiculously close to a comment I posted just a couple of days ago. I'll repost it because I think you'll enjoy it.
dr_warlock 9y ago
The further a woman ascends in socio economic status, the further her pool of dating prospects shrinks because she is unwilling to 'settle' for a 'lesser' man.
Female Value Acquisition Theory, Corollary 2, example 2
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Career women get fucked by the idea that their SMV goes up just because a man's would in the same scenario. Other than BP bitches who work unbelievably hard to internalize the feminist programming, men don't care if a woman's moving up in her career. It even comes out in blue pill men when they wind up with a woman who makes 77% of what they do. If they were really impressed by careers, they wouldn't be into a low earner. The lack of SMV increase is temporarily hidden by the CC because those women are told to slut it up and sex is easy to come by for a woman.
Until she's 30 and chock full of denial, she'll never think to question whether or not her desirability is what she thinks it is or if her career is even helping. They never even get good at their careers because they don't have the man's motivator. The man needs to impress to fuck. The woman assumes that she's impressing like crazy because she's fucking like crazy, never develops the drive to actually impress like crazy, and then hits the wall and finds her beta. My sister works as a lawyer and earns shit. I actually just learned that my dad's still giving her assistance because she just haaaaas to live in Manhatten. She actually thinks that her feminism and crappy lawyer job is what's making men let her suck their dick. Her theory's suspiciously silent on why they won't commit though.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Re read your response, this is great.
NidStyles 9y ago
In case you weren't sure of it, I wanted to reassure you that your sister is an idiot.
BrunoOh 9y ago
$10 on "Because men are pigs".
dr_warlock 9y ago
he's intimidated by an independent woman or a commitment-phobe /s
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
He's probably got peter pan syndrome and needs to man up.
Easih 9y ago
not sure if the 77% was just a random number you threw or you were quoting the fact that women earn .77 cents for each dollar a man make study but that study is wrong/has been debunked and it is actually a myth that women earn much less than man for the same job.
[deleted] 9y ago
Women do make 77 cents to the dollar. It's not discrimination since it's all about their choices but they do make 77% of what men make.
Easih 9y ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/
more importantly: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswom2012.pdf
BLS data show that women who do not get married have virtually no wage gap; they earn 96 cents for every dollar a man makes.
Association of University Women found that, after accounting for a variety of factors, including college major and occupation, there was an unexplained seven percent gap one year after graduation.
There is is a gap but its no where near the quoted 77% if everything is equal..
[deleted] 9y ago
Again, I just told you that the gap exists but it's due to their choices. Your sources confirm that. It's a gap, but not discrimination. Also, there's no smaller gap. That's just when variables are more difficult to control. Either gender could have the small disadvantage.
zigg-_-zagg 9y ago
This. This single quote changed my way of thinking 180 degrees during my divorce
salmonmaki 9y ago
Hey ZZ, I wrote that Mensanity post! That's freakin' awesome that it helped you change your perspective on your divorce. What were you thinking before you read it? And how long ago was your divorce?
zigg-_-zagg 9y ago
To be honest I was thinking she must be thinking about me. She must be still having feelings for me . Even though I know AWALT. I tried to rationalize my thoughts thinking I made the wrong move. Why did I break up the relationship even though she was good to me most of the times. She used to cook fresh homemade meals for dinner , she made sure the house was clean & running without issues , laundry was done & sex was the best of the best. I was a king at home & felt like a prince when we used to go out. But all this came with a cost . I used to walk on eggshells constantly , I had to lie just not to hurt her feelings, gave up on outings with close friends, sacrificed my time for her , concealing my thoughts & feelings , had no boundaries to enforce , spent money on her by buying nice gifts\jewelry\etc , made sure her needs are met , made sure she was always happy I was more beta than beta & always threatened she will commit suicide or wants a divorce . Digging deeper & researching why I was facing this issues in marriage I was pointed out that she might have BPD & was suggested to read the books NNMNG & Stop walking on egg shells . I loosely read the books here & there & I started enforcing boundaries \ self validation \ self approval but it was always nuclear fights. Note that I did not complete reading the books . After 8 months of trying to fix things & put my needs first I got burnt out . One nasty fight erupted and during the heated debate she took a knife & was about to slash her wrists.After that incident I gave her 1 week to move out of my house & that's how my marriage ended. And my Red Pill journey started.
I have come to realize I can't fix crazy . I can only fix on my issues. A Non-bpd finds its hard to eliminate feelings for a bpd spouse. Its like a super-drug which induces great pleasure & pain . We non-bpds are codependent & addicted to their behavior.
No matter what I read I constantly kept on thinking about her , no matter what my friends or family told me I kept thinking about her. I read articles on how to deal with divorce or breakups but most were concentrated when a wife leaves the relationship. Not how to recover when we kick out a spouse from the the relationship .When I read your article it hit me in black & white that If I was fine before her, I will be fine after . I kept reading your article for 3 days . And finally the message permanently printed in my head.
I was supposed to get a divorce in December 2014 but could not due to legal residence visa issues . Legally we are still married . I aim for the divorce after 3 months. Being a muslim(on paper) if she pushes for a divorce its an advantage to me as I don't have to pay anything.
salmonmaki 9y ago
Good most of the time is not good enough. And anyone who threatens suicide is obviously imbalanced.
I totally understand the lack of logical reasonable advice for men out there. That's why I started my Mensanity.com site to help men navigate relationship matters clearly and succinctly. So much stuff out there is about how men should bend over backwards to accommodate their woman. It just ignores men's right to be happy as well. I'm glad it helped you and I'm glad you made your way towards a resolution.
SplashArtist 9y ago
A woman wants to be on bottom, but as soon as she is she wants to be on top. Women will be forever in this sad cycle. Women have penis envy. They hate that we are the dominate gender. Where do you think feminism comes from? They view themselves as oppressed by men, but in reality its just that men outshine women. This penis envy is ultimately a stomach that can never be filled. It is how advanced civilizations eventually eat themselves up. Patriarchy transitions to gynocentrism then eventually to matriarchy which is the snake that eats its own tail. Men will try to feed this unending hunger for women because as a whole, men care more about women then they do their fellow man. Women love to be dominated, but also hate it at the same time. They hate the fact that they indeed need men. Why do you think women always claim they dont need men? Its because they know deep down that they do and resent us for it. Women are parasyticical by nature. Riding on the backs of men. Men build societies and women enjoy the benefits. If that isnt parasytism i dont know what is. Patriarchy may seem 'oppressive' to some, but children also view their parents as oppressive as well. Yet, as parents know, children need rules to follow for their own good. The same goes for women. Patriarchy is only opressive if you consider being a parent oppressive. A child that slips by his parents rules will lose respect for his parent. Women are like children. Our society will begin to cannibalize itself. Then the cycle will start again once it has failed. Either that, or we will be able to raise above this cycle via transhumanism this time around.
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RPmatrix 9y ago
from Elite men who wanted to demonstrate they had ALL The Power, and could also have the 'best' women
And then to divide people to conquer them
sounds simplistic, but it's the horrible truth, and an 'idea" that's older than the suffragettes!
[deleted] 9y ago
If posthumanism is a bunch of gender-less cyberpunk freaks, I'd say we will fall under the cycle, rather than rise above it. We will all become spineless bureaucrats, perfectly obedient and collectivist, plugged into whatever matrix awaits us.
It's for this reason I have less faith/interest in technology and medicine these days. If masculinity or gender is to be removed, I may as well enjoy what time with it I have left, rather than contribute to the problem. Like the borg in star trek, we may become some optimal species, agents of entropy inhaling whatever energy we come across for no reason other than 'growth'; but that just doesn't sound like fun to me.
EDIT: I've actually been thinking recently that this is going to be the next question for reactionaries; what to do about the singularity and so on.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
To this day, there is no actual doctrine concerning posthumanism. Also, humanism is about human agency. Recent policies and ideologies like feminism reject the notion of human agency.
[deleted] 9y ago
Everyone has their own idiosyncratic language; I will define what I mean.
I see it as 'grandad's axe'. With enough augmentation, there will come a point when your augmented human, cannot be defined human; this is, to me, posthumanism; post meaning after; trans meaning beyond - they seem to be used interchangeably. Please correct me if I am making some terrible morphological error.
I am not sure what you mean by human agency. If agency is acting in free will, then humans may not have agency to begin with; I certianly have my doubts. I am fairly deterministic. I would disagree that agency defines being human. Most humans appear not to exercise it, in any case. I do not think leftism has a monopoly on determinism.
I do believe though that any agency/illusions of agency will be lost through AI, through collectivism. I merely argue that, regardless of trans/post-humanism merits or demerits, as a living breathing feeling human, I can't go for that.
Temptationn 9y ago
I can't count the amount of times girl's have asked me this. I remember reading on here they ask this question and if you say no they will keep asking themselves, "what's wrong with him?, why doesn't he have a girlfriend?," she will keep trying to figure out what flaw you have. My plate asked/still ask me why I don't have a girlfriend she keeps saying I'm hiding something because she can't figure me out claiming I'm the hardest person to read. I just tell her no girl have caught my interest yet, you'd think she'd be hurt by that (because I pretty much claim she isn't ltr material) but she eats it up and trys harder to please me.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Note that when they say 'girlfriend', it's code for "is there a girl in your life willing to have sex with you consistently?" but she will never go out an say it.
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zombig 9y ago
The best answer is: No, at least not an official one.
laughkisskill 9y ago
Guided. Had to fucking happen. Surprised it hasn't already.
You keep posting, keep the quality, and help the novices. This is what trp should be.
Stopher 9y ago
"female nature is not right, it's not wrong, it just is."
Core TRP right here. Facts are amoral. Don't wast time getting angry (although we all do). Your best outcome is understanding and taking actions against these truths instead of the false ones we were all taught growing up.
squishy_sammich 9y ago
Mind blown.
That's incredible insight. Makes you think about an ltr in an entirely different way as well.
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The pain you felt was 100 percent related to your ego and the shock of "losing" her.
TRP nicely explains that you never really "have" her and wanting to do so is the wrong attitude. Once you accept women's true nature you can enjoy the gifts they bring and oddly enough they are far less likely to leave if you are not trying to lock that pussy down for you to "keep".
Men need women for sex, not for his happiness. The man who is game aware will find pussy to be plentiful and not scarce
tmjr01 9y ago
Dude its so true, as is 99% of everything I've read on this sub. Since I've started reading things here, my whole outlook has changed and I think I am a better man for it.
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If I were you I'd tell her that if you knew she liked co worker she shoulda told you and you guys could have double teamed her. Tell her you know she would love a good opportunity to get slammed by two guys. Say it with zero butthurt. Imply you are already fucking someone new and watch her beg you to hit her again
tmjr01 9y ago
Since I no longer care how this turns out, I'm going to do this
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Good Luck and write up a FR when it's played out. Tag me so I can see the conclusion
JackRayner_ 9y ago
The thought that came to mind when I got to the Hypergamy is Contextual section: "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King!"
Excellent post (with links to other excellent posts to boot)!
let_terror_reign 9y ago
That's brilliant. Same thing struck me.
AureliusThunderkok 9y ago
In general, women have a smarter approach to partner selection. As OP stated, they are looking 'up' with the intention of latching onto an elite. As for guys we get locked into hotness and end up putting a ring on a HB 8/9 bimbo.
tomysotomayorfuxboys 9y ago
I disagree. Women's approach may work well in small communities where everybody knows everybody and there are clearly established and relatively stable hierarchies. But in larger communities and places with transient populations status isn't so clear.
It makes sense for women in a rural village to try to get with the chief's son. But in big cities you tend to have women falling for far-from-elite, low-class, smooth-talking players, who bang them and leave them as single mothers.
As for men wanting hotness, it makes sense, biologically, for men to want attractive young women because those are the ones who are fertile.
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antariusz 9y ago
6 figure salary, 6 pack abs, 6 feet tall, frame more solid than granite. Those things alone will be good enough most of the time. Even just 2/3 + frame is really good.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Let's be clear, hypergamy is perpetual, the 'game' never ends. There's no summit. You also don't have to be famous, just be the top 20% in the context she's in. Example: a party. You don't need to be in the top 20% of every party she's ever been to, just that party will do.
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This is very true. My SMV is/was low except that I am average/okay looking and tall. Plus I was socially anxious almost all the time back then. This was before The Red Pill. At a party in the city this 8/10 chick was all over me, eventually banged her. I think a big reason was this:
I was with a big group of confident and buff guys, most of them are pretty alpha (looking back), I knew the guys through a mutual friend. We took over the party, automatically. Most of the other guys there were not very confident and the "loser type". The guys in the group I was with lifted my confidence up a shit ton, just being around them.
I think she perceived me (subconsciously) as the alpha of the group. I am certain she also hangs out with older higher SMV guys and fitness models (she is a fitness chick). But it's all about the context. If you are the (perceived) highest SMV guy at the party, you will have the benefits of that.
I also learned how important it is to be with the right type of guys (read: alpha's). My close friends are not beta but not as alpha and confident as those guys I hanged out with at the party. It's a big difference.
I think why it's important to have good facial features because I think women ASSUME you are higher SMV because of that. Not because they are more attracted to it.
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Speaking of the hunter gatherer societies and agriculture, what was so different about THEN compared to today was that people back in those times were likely to see maybe 100-200 people in their lifetime because they were tethered to their farms, their hunting grounds and it was not uncommon for 2-3 generations of the same family to live in close proximity.
So this familial closeness and isolation led to societies that functioned properly in the context where a man found his woman and they would stay together pretty much for the rest of their natural lives.
Religion made it even harder for people to get divorced because it was seen as immoral and socially unacceptable.
I won't lie, sometimes I wish I lived back in those times. It would be interesting to try and survive. Also the world was so different back then that it would be worth doing.
But we can't do that, so what we CAN do is acknowledge that reality and look at the world through a red pill lens. The world has changed, but our basic suvival instincts have not.
Adapt and survive, or be left behind.
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KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
As recently as biblical times, monogamy coexisted with the promiscuous goddess culture. Monogamy is a fragile system, and relies upon the enforcement of the traditional marriage contract: exclusive sex from the wife in exchange for exclusive commitment from the husband. When this contract is impaired, the institution is essentially dead.
epixs 9y ago
Amazing article man. I can tell you really put in a lot of effort to get this out.
I had one question in regards to preselection. What is a way men can build preselection in environments where you really don't know anybody? Say a new class or a new university where you don't know a single person (pretty much my case right now).
I know attraction isn't an issue because at clubs I get mad pussy (am a 6ft3, 240lb bouncer/security) , but what about class or university apartments. Most people, including women, are really just intimated by me and nobody really talks. Plus add in my attitude of all hope lost in women after seeing the shit I see at clubs, it really leads to no preselection lol.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Bring one of your club lays to the location in question for the sole purpose as a preselection prop. While in their company show kino and a good time in front of new targets, then ask them to hang out. A woman laughing is a sign she feels safe, the intimidation factor should go away. Intimidation by a lone male is worry some, intimidation by a pre approved man can be arousing.
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Note: don't keep checking on your progress of attracting targets by keeping your head on a swivel. It's gotta look natural. 'It just happened'. I made the mistake once and it turned the bystanding girls off.
epixs 9y ago
Appreciate you typing out a response. Will definitely do.
Grifter32 9y ago
If they need scientific proof just go to a Justin Beiber concert. Those girls go fuckin nuts. They want that guys dick more than they want oxygen.
Then go to any female musicians show. How many straight men do you see there? How many of those straight men went, because they're hoping for a chance to fuck said celebrity?
Men don't care about social status. We just want to fuck hot women. She could be from the ghetto for all we care. I live in Vegas. I've seen guys get a blow job from a cute homeless girl for $20.
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the10thrider 9y ago
I still do this all the time with my motorcycles.
For some reason, people I interact with all the time, and sometimes for years, have no idea that I ride motorcycles every single day. Their (women especially, but also men) completely change their demeanor towards me once I show up on the lot on something with two wheels, especially if it's really "fancy" or "shiny" or whatever bullshit non-motorcyclists describe them as. Especially on a big Harley or something like a Panigale, etc.
I.E. men start to respect me more and act less aggressive and women start to lean and play with their hair, flirt, etc.
Oddly enough I found the opposite to be true in most cars I've been in, and I've had a Ferrari in the past. I'd show up in it with the top down and all of a sudden I'm Mr. Moneybags, etc. What can I say... "I got a great deal on it? Is that what you want to hear?"
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Congrats. She sees you as beta bucks, we already know top alpha had her tingling and he probably drives a tin can
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That makes sense. Good luck and update us
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
It's irrelevant that she sees his as BB if he applies Red Pill principles.
Best case scenario: she thinks he's beta bux but /u/Dr_Morsu games the shit out of her, escalates, fucks her a few times then ditches her when he wants.
Worst case scenario: she thinks he's beta bux and tries to string him along, denying him sex. So he just leaves. He may plough her in the end, he may not. But the fact that she may view him as BB means nothing since he's [hopefully] not a plugged in Blue Piller who will fall into line and provide the bux.
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Assuming he is game aware then you are correct. I don't know the good doctor. For all I know he thinks his fat wallet attracted a unicorn
Dr_Morsu 9y ago
Excellent hypothesis and you are correct. As a red piller I am acutely aware of any attempts by her to string me along or her to play the good girls game and try for girlfriend status. I will do my best "game" to pump and dump and if I am not successful I move on to greener well manicured pastures ; )
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
...and thus abundance mentality was born, and /u/Dr_Morsu lived happily ever after.
tomysotomayorfuxboys 9y ago
Lots of things can be status symbols, including expensive cars. Some people may think nice cars are a good indicator of financial status, but others know better. It is too easy for people to get cars that are out of their league for show, even if it puts them in debt and has them dodging bill collectors.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Take the same scenario, but instead of a ferrari, imagine that the girls knew you were in a popular band or a movie actor.
Dr_Morsu 9y ago
I have to argue that being in a band or a movie actor is BOTH social status and financial status.
I am speaking to just financial status vs just social status. In that context I contend that financial status will "win" more times than not.
RedPillDad 9y ago
Not sure it's just about wealth trumping status, though it does sound like she has those Golddigger Eyes for you.
She already has Gym Status Guy in her clutches, and now she's out to bag Mysterious Wealth Guy, without losing the other until she decides it's over.
She'll work all the profitable angles she can, while mitigating her risks. She's test driving you under the radar, and if you're a viable upgrade, she'll attempt to branch swing smoothly, without letting her feet touch the ground.
Yes, you ho-baited her with the car and she "fell" for it. But remember, bitches be trappers. Expect her to employ a go-slow provisional strategy where she pretends to be wholesome.
dr_warlock 9y ago
She's not wholesome yet, she still has a void between her legs not yet filled by OP's cock.
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What kind of Ferrari? What do you do for a living?
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Why are you driving a california if you are worth 8 figures and making 7 figures annually? Curious how you went from military to being a biotech partner? I was an expert on biotech and biotech valuations early in my career, what exactly did you do to become a partner? Basically what I'm saying is your stories don't really add up.
epixs 9y ago
Since you lift, have a Ferrari, and you have dr in your name, you happen to be in ortho?
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That "AMA" says nothing about your biz or about how you "invest". You threw around some numbers that people on reddit will think are big and outlined a strategy of getting loans... Not really a strategy.
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Lol. Problem is that I manage money for people that have the kind of money you're claiming to have. They/I don't just throw money at "dividend paying stocks thru a broker". Quit your bullshit.
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You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You should stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Every time you open your mouth it become more apparent you're lying.
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Oh don't worry you don't have enough money for me to bother with. You are obviously a liar. That's what happens when you try to bullshit about finance with someone who actually works in the field. Enjoy your internet fantasy life, loser.
GSstreetfighter 9y ago
This is a masterpiece! Congrats!
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kinklianekoff 9y ago
Another good response from a thread last year; "It's Complicated."
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
This is true. The more urban and overcrowded the situation the more confused the woman becomes as her senses bounce in every direction. (Hypergamy)
Like the famous mice cage experiments the overcrowded mice experience social cohesion failure and essentially become alienated individual mice who become less and less functional in acts like reproduction. Eventually fertility declines to zero and depopulation occurs.
The Answer is to live in a small town so that things are more easily stabilized. (women are able to calm down more)
Sex in the City is just sex and will always lack social cohesion and permanence.
The urban female will either be entirely infertile (Cock Carousel) or she will have babies with different fathers. It's unlikely you can actually have a family (where you are a real father) with a woman who is urban because the circumstances don't allow her to focus.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Agriculture and everything that comes after is unnatural. Thus it's to be expected that we'll encounter problems with one another because we didn't evolve in this context.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
The City has always been a negative influence on humanity.
Overcrowding seems to shift mental patterns in negative ways and this is true across time, so even in ancient times this was true.
During the peak of the Roman Empire the city of Rome had something like a million people in it, but they became cramped in apartments and reproduced less. It set up a downward spiral.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
Putting that kind of faith in science is the mindset that leads people like Richard Dawkins to assert that it's a "fact" that there is no God, which is completely false. These blue pill white knight beta neckbeard social justice warriors don't realize that science cannot and will not ever be able to explain everything. Science can only explain the objective reality but it cannot explain the subjective reality, which things like God and sentience are. That is what the occult is for. You do the experiments in your mind.
Besides, if hypergamy wasn't a thing, then why does it have a wikipedia page with tons of credible scientific sources backing up the claims made on it?
DuncanMonroe 9y ago
It's this type of bullshit that makes me question trp sometimes. Anyone who says their claim lies outside of science is full of shit. You have to do better than that.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
Prove that sentience is created by the brain and prove that God doesn't exist, or admit that you're full of shit.
DuncanMonroe 9y ago
I can't, but not because it can't be proven. We just can't prove it yet.